Hi guys, need help to decide which bike should i buy. Just got my bfull license,the bike is just for fun ride.

What you're fancy?

D400 probably for touring
Duke 250 and mt25 is probably in the same category.

You can't go wrong with all of this choice.

Best way is to test and sit on the bike. And choose which suits you

MT25 definitely. simply foir the fact that it should be more reliable than the problematic KTMs and Modenas bikes.

if u have more cash can look into bigger used > 650cc bikes and utilize ur b full.

For me, none the above
For you, SV650?

D400 definitely not for fun but good enough to go highway speed (110-140km/h) ~
I using it for daily ride to work for 2 years dy. so far ok je

BFull go for higher CC bike..

Instead Dominar why not look at those Chinese bikes.. like Benelli or CFMoto.. since those also within range 20 to 30k ..

YAMAHA FTW.

Dominar... lololol... malas nak citer ahh...

same here,never rode a bike before and just got my Bfull license. Contemplating getting a smaller CC bike as first bike.

How about CBR250RR?

first bike to ride on roads using sport bike not easy especially when reacting to emergency
better more upright better to react, even if bigger cc also is ok

riding posture sport bike already tekan the forearm

during emergency, imagine u brake, and clutch, and trying to steer
when engine die if hard brake during emergency without clutch, will ABS still work? I dunno honestly

imagine with sitting upright, and you can control the steering better without pressing the body on there

that's why daily bike with sport bike, can or not, the answer is can, but which one easy to deal with traffic and emergency, definitely sportbike not the easiest

unless you very very good with sport bike, core strength and back all very tahan, when u sit on sport bike eventhough bongkok, but the forearm never press weight on steering, then yes, maybe u can do much better

These 3 bikes are pretty much in a different segment, also quite a big gap in price point.

1. MT-25, fun torqish bike, reliable but not cheap.
2. Dominar 400, cheapest on the list, comes with all the modern blings, but slightly unrefined.
3. Duke 250.... id suggest just skip the 250 and go for 390. RC/Duke 390 runs same engine platform as D4(or more like D4 is based on 390), but with transmission ratio that focusses more on torque/early power deliveries.


Hence its important to properly learn riding techniques, touring upright or crouching on sporty stance, if you are putting weight on your forearms, you're riding wrong. Whenever you emergency brake on any bikes, you must first remove any pressure on arms and keep yourself stable gripping your tank with your knees. Putting more pressure on your handle bar loads up your fork, and emergency braking is 70% about how much rebound and how much your shock can take before it bottoms out, and hence you dont want any weight if possible on the handlebars.

Theres a weird thing goin on in malaysia riding culture, majority of the people are "lazy" to upgrade their license and stick with under 250cc, hence all the glorified 250cc. Expand your search abit further, you'd realise the pricing isnt that big a gap and you get better returns with 400/600+cc bikes. Personally id stay away from 250cc(practicality wise) if you already own a bfull to begin with.

Depends on what sorts of rides you want to do, or what geng you join.


250s are fun. They are light and very tossable. But I wouldn't categorize them as very "highway capable". Even the Dominar is marginal at best on the highway. It will do the speed, but you wont do it in comfort, say anything past 130-140. You will likely grow bored of the 250 very quickly. But they are easy to ride starter bikes due to it being lightweight.


Solution, just get ANY cheap used bike, ride for a year, then get a larger bike later once you know what you want.

ZZR Bro got a real Lemon of a Dominar. But some of us find it quite ok. I put 20k on mine in one year. Caveat Emptor.

What do you guys think about used ninja 250?
i'm getting my bfull soon, budget I'd say tight. Max 20k
Planning to get a used 250 first just to learn the skills needed to ride a bike on the road.
Have 10 years of driving experience, but then again. Car not the same as bike
Personally, I would stay away from R25 or Mt-25. They're the same engine.. Tuned differently sure, but the parts are the same. Issues are most likely the same.. With the teh ais engine oil, code 46, hard plastic gear bearing.. I see tonnes of R25 in the used market but definitely won't be interested in getting one.

partly I would say some couldn't afford higher cc's. Can't afford to maintain, hence the sambung bayar culture also. Can pay the downpayment for a B-full bike, but then couldn't afford to pay the instalment afterwards.
or couldn't afford the maintenance.
Also because of the power of the 'L' license in malaysia. Go get an 'L', stick it to your bike and you're good to go. I've seen a guy on a z800, with L sticker, just zig zagging around on the Federal Highway, rev-bombing people for not giving way to him then points a middle finger.

So some people see there's no point in getting a B Full when a L can just get them the same thing..

How much of a difference in cost of maintenance between a 600cc and a 250cc though?

I only know tyres probably are the biggest difference due to jump in size.

dominar- touring, top speed not so much, cheap price, cheap maintenance

duke 250 - street ride quite good, but not so much on highways. single cylinder, parts quite expensive, maintenance wise so2

mt25- 2 cylinder engine, but bad things is, this bike is not about torque at all. because using same engine as r25, its more sporty engine where u need to rev the engine kaw2 to get the good torque. all the power is came from high rpm. maintenance also normal, not cheap and also not expensive. good on highways.

so choose which ride style u like.

Don’t know la, I cincai say only. I thought bottom out shock during emergency braking is weird means you brake backwards? Or are you try to wheelie while doing emergency braking so can bottom out the shock?

Buy the bike that you really like, and that you won’t mind fixing it if anything bad happens.
Rather than a bike that you expect to be very reliable, but breaks down randomly unexpectedly and you get frustrated.

This above does not apply to Italian bikes because they are meant to break down anyway so it’s the joy you get when they don’t.

CFMoto can take a look also la. Ninja 250 also have its issues.

Some ppl memang plan to JT or sambung bayar the day letak dp for bike. Use few months, then pass to others la. Cannot pass then piang. Facebook also got ppl teach the procedure to piang bike.

600cc to 250cc if we say same brand like kawasaki (ninja 250, ninja 650, ZX6R), or Yamaha (R25, R6)
I would say the parts are 4x more…

For EO, I would use RM40 per bottle for 250cc, but if 600cc, I’d say RM80 per bottle…

Where's CFMoto from? I usually don't trust all these copy cats brands though.
later spoil scared no parts to fix

what do you mean by piang bike? as in hide in chinese? Hide the bike?
damn if 4x more than it is still tough to maintain if don't have the budget..

CFMoto from China assembled locally, u don't have to buy, but can search for owners club and tune in. you have a point, so make sure their service center is nearby.

piang = JT = lari bank: sorry i dunno where this term from, but ppl posted before and can search facebook got ppl memang do business deal with such vehicles

rxz all th way bro. all rxz can tapau sbk and resale value sky rocket like mad.

Hi,

I'm one of the owner of KTM Duke 250, let me share you my personal experiences bought the bike during 2018 but broke down 2 weeks after ride and on and off to factory for almost a years, ABS system issue, replaced board, cable but same issue.
the problem still cant be fixed which cause ABS CAN error on and off so i ignored it since already past warranty.

1. Spare parts expensive compare to others brands
2. Services center charges 220 to 250MYR
3. Long journey cause butt pain (more than 1 hours ride)
4. Single cylinder so can't even win some normal bike
5. Clutch TAP sound loud when you enter gear

Overall bad experience and i'm not a biker so i'm not really familiar with bike. just use it for daily work ride.

oh damn.. but im not gonna do it ah. What for wanna get blacklisted by banks
btw to TS, R25 and MT25 has plastic fuel tank covers, they're not metal if not mistaken. So if you use it for daily ride to work, can't put tank bag cuz they usually use magnets
Unless you plan to use box or backpack everyday

i dont agree when you said cfmoto is copy cat without take some look on it. i am first batch of 250nk owner. Have no much complain on it except not enough juice while on highway. city ride is good. maintenance is cheap, rm10+ for oil filter. engine oil only need 1.4L as it is single cylinder. clocking 27k km now and still going on. For spare part wise, the factory is at Penang, and any cfmoto authorized dealer can help you to order all those spare parts and it reach less than 3 days(my experience). What? still expensive? then go take a look at taobao and order from there with 10-30% cost reduced.

I feel attacked but thankfully it's Federal Highway(I'm milessss away) so not me phewwww. I don't do the finger tho

Anyway ts, I came from 125cc clutch bike. Got myself a used z8(non-abs) early this year. My first ever big cc bike. Just for fun. Not for daily, work stuff. But I rode it almost daily anyway
3 months of usage, almost 8k km covered. EO change roughly Rm200 for oil filter and 4 bottles of EO. Done it twice already. First was Castrol Ultimate and last one was Caltex Havoline. A pair of Metzeler roadtec 01 cost me rm900.
Of course these depends on cheap vs expensive stuff.

This post has been edited by UnknownH: Apr 28 2022, 10:29 PM

How much would an overhaul and major service typically cost though? Looking at several bikes in the long run, preferably inline 4s because hurr durr sbk sound but am concerned about cost of major servicing compared to twins

This post has been edited by iambryan1234: Apr 29 2022, 05:52 AM

I met one guy, he buys a fully serviced bike, done VC, use for 1 year or less, then maybe just change EO one time, and keep within 12k km, post up to sell. copy paste ex-owner service record, and shift major overhaul responsibility to the next sucker.

he's been through all the zx10r gsxr z800 z900 r1 r6 s1000rr-1234 ducati bikes etc and making profit along the way, and his cost is just for the first bike he actually bought.

can check out Kratos page for suspension service recommended every 20k
maybe u can find ppl do cheaper but they're not kratos level

engine wise, 2k to 10k standby. can check out price for engine lantai, or price from GMT bike parts facebook selling full engine becoz sometimes worth to just buy whole engine than overhaul if too expensive

haha didn't mean to offend or attack anybody. Just saying that's how flawed our system is.. L sticker allows you to ride any bike without cc limit.
3 months of usage and you clocked 8k km but changed EO twice?
4k km per change?

damn.. I thought standard for all bikes are like 10k km per change isn't it?
forgive me as im a noob, just starting to learn and know more about bikes.
I myself am interested in z800 as well. Mean looking machine. otherwise z900 but way out of budget.

to me, copy cat is defined in looks. Like how last time Demak tried to copy KTM if not mistaken?
and do me cfmoto looks way to similar to KTM dukes too.
engine wise not sure, just the looks of it..

5k km for fully, 3k km for semi to be safe.
Previous owner did oil change before left it inside the house for 6 months. Didn't even start.
When I got there, literally had to push start it. Battery KO-ed
Hence why I did the first oil change after clocking 2-3k km(Castrol Ultimate black bottle). Didn't want to take risk(z8 infamous valve issue) with 6 month old EO. 2nd oil change(Caltex Havoline fully) after clocking another 5k km.

Of course mine here are cheap fully. If those Ester/PAO whatnot fully, at least rm50 or more per 1L of bottle. So far I'm using Vesrah oil filter(OF). Cost the same as original. About rm40-50 for a piece. Scared of getting fake Kawasaki OF hence why Vesrah.
I did the change myself.

Yep. 4 pot sounds
L twin also sound nice. Blade 650(poor man Ducati) if we want to experiment things
Z900 comes with modern features, tech stuff. Might upgrade to one. Will see. Another naked or maybe a sport after this

This post has been edited by UnknownH: Apr 30 2022, 09:29 PM

Errrr...no it doesn't....the only tech stuff it has is ABS.

If ur talking abt the 2022 model...we dont get that here...we only have the 2017 model.

Under modenas maybe can have it cheap2

Thats IF they bring it in la....n modenas only handling 650cc n below..those should be ckd i think.

Iinm above that will be cbu with cbu prices....again...IF they bring it in.

N at the moment theres no menton of above 650cc....us >650cc owners r now in limbo...and we r damn annoyed

Forgot about one. Underrated Suzuki. S750 or r750.
For new naked as of today, s750 bang for buck I would say. Some might look at mt09. Personally still prefer 4 pot sounds

Hi sifus here! want to get a bike to start riding after getting L license to pracrise for Full B.
With limited budget less than 10k, what do you think of Kawasaki Z250SL or Z250. The 2014/2015 model is below 10k.

First bike? Skip, find something with ABS

Second bike(cub bikes count) or more? Skip the SL unless you're tight on budget or specifically looking for single cyl, go for the older Ninja250 or Z250 parallel twin. Avoid the early version Dominars as your first full sized bike, 180+kg is no joke. You'll see a lot of cheap ads for it at your price range since the new BS6 UG version has been in Malaysia for a year already.

This post has been edited by iambryan1234: Aug 25 2022, 01:01 AM