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mazda 6 2008-2010, reliability, problems
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Apr 27 2022, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 27 2022, 09:31 AM) I didn't know anything about Mazda 6 initially until my friend asked for help. So I thought this would be a piece of cake until I ran the diagnostics on his vehicle and I told him that either his alternator or his electrical charging system is screwed because that was what my analyzer was telling me. Told him to go to the SC quick. Later he reported that the SC told him that everything was fine. Wondering what the hell just happened, with the help of forummers here, I had learn that the wiring system in his Mazda is not like anything we have come to know. It is completely different. Just like you said ghosting. So now I am will be working close with my friend like his Battery Manager to monitor his battery like a hawk. Wait if you want the low down, refer to thread titled Battery brands that has lasted 4 years or more, Page 88, Post #1760 onwards, where I try to learn Mazda's new charging system. Have fun. If you or your friend have any questions, feel free to write, I am sure the good & knowledgable members around who are willing to help. Most modern cars now use 13.6V alternator (13.8V for AGM). So the car will never charge the battery at good old 14.4V (14.6V for AGM). additionally the advanced battery management algorithm is designed to minimize the charging in order to reduce engine load for fuel economy (Totally opposite of maximizing the battery life). The alternator tends to be decoupled very often, and will never able to full charge the battery even if they are running all the time. Welcome to the age of ever stringent climate protection act..
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Apr 27 2022, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 27 2022, 10:07 AM) So are you implying that is the new Mazda wiring system ? I also have other non Mazda cars in the family, a 5 yo Hyundai and a 2 yo Volvo that charge at lower voltage. I don't think it is just Mazda, industry wide everyone are doing the same. You may sample check cars that launched within last 5 years (at least, I think the change probably more than 10y back started with the continental cars). Measure the charging voltage see who still get over 14V, who run at 13V
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Apr 27 2022, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Apr 27 2022, 11:06 AM) There are more & more car manufacturer using batteries which is small but high capacity like AGM/EFB base batteries. These batteries charging method are different compare to conventional type and control by dedicated ECU or DME board, most continental rides like BMW/Merc using these type of batteries got different charging pattern and need to register the batteries & type when new to calculate the charging pattern. It is not that simple nowadays for modern rides. I believe similar to Mazda they are also sensitive to different type of batteries, thus why some of them wont last long. The key is everyone are employing the "lazy charging" pattern/strategy to squeeze tiny bit of fuel economy and emission reduction. Not sure if that is even effective. Add salt to the wound is the start-stop system. Regardless battery type, this strategy is here to stay and probably even more aggressive in the future. Cheers and live with it.
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Apr 27 2022, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 27 2022, 10:47 AM) Sorry la bro., then you really dont know Mazda new wiring system. Based on my limited experience, now I dare to say to myself only, never assume things until one has figured out what exactly is one dealing with. I can see that there are changes are coming with new battery management system and all in todays modern cars especially Perodua but that is just the way it is. Either for good or bad, we all have to deal with it. If you can find the schematic, feel free to share here and try me. I'll be glad to help You may also hook up an oscilloscope and record the charging wave form over the time, then we know for sure.
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