Dear all LYN sifus,Good afternoon.
i am renovating my house right now.
the existing wall color is light blue/purple color.
i wish to paint it white.
My contractor told me the most cheap and budget friendly method shall be maxilite which cost around RM 160
I went to paint shop and tell told me had to primer + paint which cost around RM 580
while some shopee shop owner told be I can straight away JOTAPLAST Max which cost around Rm 158

I wish to consult all LYN sifus that had such experience.
if I want to paint a house with budget friendly cost, which option shall I go for?

well normally i do not recommend skimping on paint quality as i want my paint to last very long.
its a big hassle to re-paint a room when you have furniture already.
but personally i would primer and then paint.

but among the choices above i would go for the nippon matex.

The contractors usually stick to the method they knew. Put primer to ensure color paint stick and cover those unevenness and stain on wall. The reason is simple; they do not want to risk doing the same job twice if the owner is dissatisfied.

Nowadays (starting like 10 years ago), the paint has been improved and many claimed no primer required. I did not see Jotun saying no primer needed (maybe I missed) but stated that the paint (usually the acrylic paint) has good hiding property and cover unevenness very well.

I'd just go straight with color, 2 layer, and done.

the above are mostly cheap paints, not much difference. i personally use matex for ceiling only. i dont think u need primer unless you plan to use nice color interior expensive paint.

my contractor only paint 1 layer Nippon Matex then follow with a layer Nippon Satin Glo, is this ok?

Existing colour paint is not terribly old, and no issue with damp wall right?
Just paint over with matex for A4 paper white.

After ten years my matex still hold up perfectly.

This is usually done if the existing colour is dark or diff colour, to "lighten up" the background so the satin glo colour can "pop" well.

if the wall accidentally kena some coffee stain or dirt stain, can I wipe with water?

what is the difference between matex & JOTAPLAST Max?

Thanks sir for the sharing.

Hi, if my wall after hacking & plaster back do I need primer before paint? Do I need any special treatment on the hacking part surface?

I plan DIY, what type of paint should I look for? Prefer those easy maintenance type, can wipe out the dirt easily.



This post has been edited by lawrencehl: Apr 22 2022, 09:44 AM

Brand preference only lah, Matex do not dilute with more than 2-3% water *be very kiamsiap with the water for best results*.
KCC more solids but harder to stir.. it dries thicker
Matex very beginner friendly, easy to apply, my personal preference
Jotun.. somehow I find their economy paint not as cheap so I never use

Yes otherwise cement suck up water like a sponge and you will definitely see the line there.
Easywash for colour paint.. else any matex also can for white. If it stick properly to the wall its quite easy to wipe down with soap and water.. I use economy white for kitchen wall and frying stuff the oil splatter everywhere so no point for me to use good paint.

Thanks for reply, primer do I need to apply whole wall or only the hacking area? What brand of primer & paint do u recommend?

yeah, my existing colour is diff, slightly darker

in this situation, still need sealer before the satin glo?

i think this is emulsion paint, cant touch with water. if kena coffee stain then koyak already

even no stain, you simple wipe with water, will left a water print there

Enough to cover the bare cement mortar (hacked area) plus a lil on the sides. No harm to apply more one.

You're painting on good condition existing paint so no need sealer. It would be good to paint over with economy white so that the true colour of new paint will not be "tinted" with dark old paint lah.

Thanks for the advice 😉. Which matex should I choose?

usually i just use the "White" one.. 15425 is ICI code for white IIRC.. both should be A4 paper white aka boring white, either is fine

if my wall is already white, would the same still apply? not sure whether to use 5400 wall sealer or matex as undercoat and how many layers of satin glo is sufficent

Is sealer=primer?

The original colour looks darkish. If you just paint 2 layers of cheap paint, there is a chance of color bleeding through. Might notice this only after few days. The walls got a bluish tint. End up painting another layer. Too many layers, then risk of paint peeling.
I think better use a primer, sand a bit when dry, then one layer cheap paint. The white should last longer.

If wall already white, just clean a bit, make sure flat and smooth since you are using paint with sheen. 2 layers satin glo is enough.

Hi all sifus, hope can help me. noob questions. i would like to repaint to white. which paint i should use to cover existing colour green & red?must use primer or emulsion paint? do i need to scrape off the existing paint?or just apply paint to cover up the colour? Thanks

you got the same repaint related problem like me,
i cover it with 1 layer of nippon matex , but another layer is needed to completely cover it,
the rest of the wall, not yet done, an paint expert uncle suggest us put sealer 5400 before color paint, we makan the word he say ' it will last longer' because we lazy to repaint it after a decade or so...
some sifus here suggest that good wall without chalking feel can just paint with matex or maxilite , if you got the budget then (expensive ) sealer will also do
i learnt a lot bout paint here! so graceful

Hope you share your experienced with others.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 17 2022, 04:15 PM

Thanks for sharing bro, you mean paint 2layers or more of nippon matex able to cover up wall? for last longer suggest better paint sealer 1st layer the 2nd layer paint nippon matex?no need sand off the existing wall colour?
actually i want less work, if expensive abit i dont mind. which way better
1. use nippon matex white paint 2layers
2. paint sealer 1st layer and 2nd layer paint nippon matex white
3. use primer for 1 layer (i saw some bro suggest sand it,then 1st layer nippon matex 2nd layer primer can last longer, not sure is work? but i dont want sand it)

anyone sifus can give suggestion? Thanks

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Thanks for sharing bro, you mean paint 2layers or more of nippon matex able to cover up wall? for last longer suggest better paint sealer 1st layer the 2nd layer paint nippon matex?no need sand off the existing wall colour?

because my wall is painted this not so fancy color as in the picture, i was having a headache solving it, from forum, i learnt that it can be rather easy( may depends on your wall condition), these wall i think it painted not more than 5 or 6 years ( it's a subsale house) and the wall is not chalky and powdery, when we rolling the matex on the surface, no paint fragment fall off, this previous paint stick so well to the wall...


actually i want less work, if expensive abit i dont mind. which way better
1. use nippon matex white paint 2layers
i got my response from sifus about maxilite but i ended up purchased nippon matex, i didint come accross maxilite , but imo i think the matex texture is more thick i can say, it dried pretty fast ( we opened the glass sliding door but turn on no fan in the late evening

only 1 layer
1 or 2 layers really depend on its coverage, mine need 2 layers for retouch, we not yet retouch second layer even now
as you can see from the picture, my wall surface (i figured out it is a special paint technique using machine paint gun to spray and form a thick pigmentation wall) and the matex layer is not even, so you still can see the red still can be seen in some spot

from what i red in this forum, if the wall still nice to touch and no peeling or yellow staining caused by moisture, we just can paint a new layer direct on it without sanding or peel off the previous paint, sanding is so difficult and waste tons of time and its so dusty

for me, i want white series color paint on my dark tone wall , i have to repaint it with white (sealer (today going to buy it and try it on to see how many sealer i need to apply, maybe in a day or two for another purple wall) or matex/ maxilite)
if you desire a darker paint on your current wall, can just paint over like jotun monsoon cloud color (please correct me if im wrong)

2. paint sealer 1st layer and 2nd layer paint nippon matex white
im positive on the sealer as the 1st layer for a better foundation, but matex as the finishing im not so sure about it lar, let's wait for other to share theirs
(because hor , some say matex or maxilite will slowly luntur of come off after ages and even when you cleaning a stain on it with a damp cloth/ kain buruk)

3. use primer for 1 layer (i saw some bro suggest sand it,then 1st layer nippon matex 2nd layer primer can last longer, not sure is work? but i dont want sand it)
im dont know what is primer actually, i just so into sealer and paint brand only,, wish to know more what is primer and its purpose too
yesterday i came across a youtuber sharing bout paints and preparation before painting, i havent finish it coz my internet and wifi so broke
try to watch it if you can understand mandarin, its consists so much info and hope it clear you out

btw, sealer got water based (for quite good wall condition) and solvent based (raw and unsealed, powdery wall)
maybe sealant suits the exterior wall with existing paint for repaint purpose,
hope someone can share, i got exterior wall to deal with too

Hi Bro, thanks for you input information. Your experience useful and study on it. would to share with you this video cause i find is really for those want paint to cover up the dark colour (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbs82NHBW34)
After i survey i only got two options not sure is better.

1. if go nippon matex white 2layers which is the cheapest RM83 18litre, triple price compare with Jotun cover up
2. Jotun cover plus sheen 2layers, Malaysia cant find dulux super hide. (this is expensive RM280 20litre) but i think most likely can cover up.

Maxilite is for first coating.. only..
In chinese, we called it 'chui chat'

You need actual paint like nippon / dulux ... for permanent layer

Hi Bro, thanks bro, just want to ask after first coating 1 layer only? and paint nippon/dulux 1 layer? enough to cover up the dark wall?
but i saw some video paint 2layer of nippon/dulux permanent layer to cover the dark wall. sifus please help us....

Is not about 1 + 1 = 2.

Painting is about judgement. If you dont like what you see, then add another coat.

hi all sifu, can i use nippon paint sealer with jotun topcoat? or need to use same brand for both?

Can mix and match.

Why sealer ? Any economy paint like maxilite is also a 'sealer' ... cheap and fast dry for next coat compared to sealer.

because i want to repaint outdoor fencing, so better to use sealer
from my survey found out that nippon paint sealer is cheaper and jotun topcoat is cheaper, so i am thinking these two use together can last long or not...

for indoor i use sealer for lately done plaster ceiling, my contractor said will have some powder drop off after few years if dont use sealer. other repaint wall and ceiling all i use nippon maxi white RM75/drum

This post has been edited by zytan87: Dec 9 2022, 08:34 AM

The purpose of sealer is to prevent moisture from penetrating the other side of the wall. But if is shared garden brick fencing, it doesnt serve its purpose if the neighbour dont do anything.

In my opinion, it is better to use a weather shield paint and do it every few years and you get a new coat .... that what I did.

means that i just wash the fencing then just apply the topcoat on it will do? if like that i can save alot of time
i am thinking to use jotun antifade, say can last for 8 yrs...

Yes.

Fencing will get dirty very fast esp if there are trees and plants near to it. Overgrown trees will prevent quick drying of wall after raining and it gets moldy faster no matter what paint.