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Davidtcf
post Apr 18 2022, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(ljken @ Apr 16 2022, 10:04 PM)
Buy Eth on Luno, swap to UST on Uniswap, then bridge via Terra's official bridge if no use Binance.
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Why not buy BTC on Luno, and then follow the rest of your steps? BTC price more stable and gas fee low if compare to ETH or LTC.

If do it fast the BTC price wouldn’t fluctuate much?

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post Apr 18 2022, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(ljken @ Apr 18 2022, 12:34 AM)
Uniswap is dex on Ethereum network. You cannot use Btc on Ethereum unless you bridge Btc to wrapped Btc (wbtc). That will incur more transactions and charges and swap fees.

I’ve never tried but maybe can see if can bridge Btc directly to Luna though. But if I recall correctly cannot.

Edit: Btw, I use Harmony One for very low fees to bridge to UST (fraction of a few cents). You can bridge Eth/Btc to Harmony, swap to Ust on Defikingdom then bridge to Luna, that should work. But Defikingdoms wBtc and wEth price usually has a bit of premium over centralised exchanges because of low liquidity.
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I’ll stick to BTC then swap to UST on an exchange that can do so such as Kucoin or Binance. Just found out can’t exchange BTC to UST on Dex. Once have UST then transfer to Terra on Anchor Protocol. Their 20% apy will drop starting end of this mth until it is stable.

Found a thread on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/com...utm_name=iossmf
Not sure if got better way.

Planning to put a bit in Anchor. Don’t trust it enough to put in a high amount.

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post Apr 18 2022, 05:05 PM

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Will try binance as it is cheaper:
https://www.binance.com/en/fee/cryptoFee

https://www.binance.com/en/convert

Need to check transfer fee and conversion rate.

Can check the rest here.. for binance doesn’t seem accurate tho:
https://withdrawalfees.com/coins/terrausd

Hmm didn’t know not every wallet can transfer to Terra. I thought if got address then ok to go?
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post Apr 18 2022, 09:09 PM

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Interesting video. Warnings and how AP works.
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post Apr 19 2022, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 18 2022, 09:26 PM)
Luckily i hold my horses and decide to roam reddit for awhile, then found that Nexo just recently introduce UST into their platform, therefore currently there's no deposit or withdraw function in Nexo, not for few months as per their "regular" users. Binance still not regulated in Malaysia right? Maybe i'll just buy BTC via Luno and just transfer to Binance before swap to UST, Soon EPF money will in....
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Can buy BTC at Luno then transfer over to Binance to swap. If scare trace then use VPN. (Our gov all asleep no worries biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 18 2022, 09:46 PM)
rclxms.gif I liked how they said about Luna's supporter is "LunaTic", But regardless of how good it sound, we may one day witness it falls... nothing last forever, so while we're at it. Might as well try it. Degen box.. i heard about it for awhile, but it's really too risky..... if AP 19.45% is already risky, 5 times that amount... once depeg and all your money gone. We can never tell if UST suddenly drop to $0.75 for few minutes just for the clause.
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Yea better go for something that's less risky. AP has been around for a year plus liao with many good reviews. Still as the youtuber says there's a risk it might collapse.. Albeit a harder due to its strong foundation and supporters now.

Put a bit should be ok.. Put in entire life savings then better not.

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post Apr 19 2022, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 19 2022, 11:54 AM)
Talk about timing, when i wanna buy BTC today then the price Rose~~doh.gif. I'm able to access Binance so i assume government already lifted the ban? previously i heard Binance web totally can't access. as for AP, $1000 @ 19.45% is about $0.5 per day, it's good to park there for my daily coffee. Probably will increase in later this year otherwise just DCA portion of $$ to buy and hold BTC is actually not a bad Idea given more people start to accept its existence.
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I asking at the crypto main thread.. got ppl got banned before. Not sure now back to normal?
https://www.imoney.my/articles/binance-malaysia

If want buy BTC wait for it to drop below USD40k per bit coin.. after studying its price for some time I can safely say that’s the support level. If buy above that then higher risk. Also better to buy and sell short term make a few hundred bucks each time. Long term is dangerous. Never know if another crash is coming.

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post Apr 19 2022, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 19 2022, 09:51 PM)
sweat.gif I'm going to make assumption, Luno is regulated by SC while Binance is not... but once our MYR is turned into BTC, it shouldn't be "bounded" by Malaysia anymore right? So the only problem left will be "The Website" can't access while you're using Malaysia ISP. I'm pretty sure that eventually we'll need to withdraw... that time we'll just declare to Luno on how we got the BTC... As long as the value is not like Millions i think should be ok.. otherwise we'll just continue to stake/trade and find way to withdraw/turned into cash.
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Yea I think Binance still the best place to trade crypto (those unsupported by Luno). Even this Malay guy using binance for his Anchor deposit:



Others such as Kucoin has fees like usd2 just for UST transfer.

Time to try out later this month. Hope all will go well!

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post Apr 21 2022, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(sensualdaddy619 @ Apr 21 2022, 01:46 PM)
BigPay now works seamlessly with Binance P2P, no issues.
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thanks.. will consider it.
should be cheaper than buying bitcoin in Luno first then transferring over.

QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 21 2022, 02:14 PM)
Any surcharge other than the Forex Exchange?
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can view this discussion on the comparisons https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4857608

heard recently charges slightly more expensive FX rate.

Edit: need Bigpay mastercard only can work:
https://www.mygadgets.my/binance-malaysia/

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post Apr 22 2022, 08:47 AM

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gave up on Binance registration.. it says need to use mobile app to verify profile (if don't verify can't trade crypto).

problem is I cant load the app on Apple app store (blank page), even use VPN also failed.
Didn't register for it last time.. maybe I'm too late now.

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post Apr 22 2022, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 22 2022, 05:17 PM)
Just a coincidence, I'm currently doing Anchor Protocol + Mirror delta neutral short+long farming strategy with my play money of my portfolio, so I had some homework done.

I have a few methods, pick your poison ya. I'm not a fan of Binance so I found my own routes below.

1. Kadoramp directly to Terra wallet. (One-way)
2USD flat fee, up to 500USD transaction limit initially (0.4% cost), simple KYC that can be done in 5min. This is easily the cheapest and least loss way to get UST if you have a Wise card to pay in USD on best rates.

Total fee: 2USD flat + ~0.5% Wise forex charges

2. Luno (two-way)
Buy LTC (LTC has the smallest different between market prices and Luno prices), send to KuCoin, trade LTC for USDT, trade USDT for UST, withdraw to TerraWallet. LTC send cost is negligible from Luno, and KuCoin trading cost is low, UST withdrawal fee is 2UST.

Total fee: 2UST flat, ~0.25% LTC purchase fee on Luno (maker fee), ~0.5USD LTC send fees, 0.1% x2 Kucoin trading fee

3. Atom (two-way, advanced)
Buy LTC -> trade for USDT on Kucoin -> trade USDT for Atom -> withdraw to Keplr wallet -> Interblockchain send from COSMOS (ATOM) to OSMOSIS, on Osmosis app, swap Atom for UST or Luna if you'd like, withdraw to Terra Wallet. It's possible to use the same seed phrase of TerraWallet on Keplr wallet so you save one sending process.
Total fee: 0.25% LTC purchase fee, 0 fee once your money reach Osmosis. 0.1% x2 on KuCoin, ~0.5USD Atom withdrawal fee on KuCoin

Option 1 is the best if you just want to deposit.
Option 2 is the easiest withdrawal path.
Option 3 has no minimum fee so it's more small deposit friendly but takes some knowledge to setup.

Keep in mind if you purchase crypto via non-LUNO exchanges, you better keep those transaction records if LHDN find you in the future for your crypto gains.
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Thanks! Very helpful. Likely I will use Luno LTC > Kucoin then to AP

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post Apr 23 2022, 07:12 AM

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Making me think whether to proceed or not sweat.gif :

https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/cryptocurre...anchors-20-apy/

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post Apr 23 2022, 03:39 PM

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Got one more article published recently which goes deeper about the risks:
https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/04/22/...rts-nightmares/

Thanks for the replies. I'm just sharing too in case it is helpful for others. This is the worst case scenario which we hope won't happen.

Update: decided to try out Finblox (HK based) with 15% interest on stablecoins. It's fairly new but backed by several famous companies and has insurance. Anyone wants referral code can pm me.

Articles on it below:
https://medium.com/coinmonks/finblox-vs-nex...ms-1bdae51cb172
https://finblox.com/
https://www.techinasia.com/sequoia-backs-39...aison%20Capital.


USDC is very stable due to being pegged to USD and other US treasuries. Also goes through monthly audit since its setup.

At first wanted to try Youhodler (EU based with insurance) but their stupid KYC turned me off. They couldn't identify our malaysian IC and insists on passport only. Youhodler is more solid if one prefer this instead, but interest slightly lower at 12-12.5%

Edit: decided to just go for Anchor. Kucoin charges a hefty 15usd via ER20 network to transfer to Finblox. (Tried to workaround this but gave up). If only I have access to Binance maybe I could test the above to see if it is worthwhile. Provided network fee wasn't this crazy expensive I would have stick to Finblox zzz.

Update: found a cheaper method using Crypto.com Exchange to Finblox. Will try next time for USDC interest account.

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post Apr 26 2022, 02:10 AM

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Withdrew from Anchor and transfered to Finblox for USDC interest earning at 15% apy. Could not pass my day well the more I understand about Luna, UST and AP ecosystem. Strongly feel USDC is a better choice.

Did it using Crypto.com exchange/wallet to send it over to Finblox via Polygon network (0.8usd fee). All went smoothly. In the future might top up somemore. Can withdraw from Finblox anytime without charge.

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post Apr 27 2022, 11:16 PM

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Reply from Finblox support on how they generate 15% apy for stablecoins via in app chat:

From: charlie@finbloxapp.com
"Hi David,

Our investment strategies are working with key institutional investors and lenders. We also have satellite investments that seek safe protocols with reputable financial institutions, defi or traditional, which gives us a diverse portfolio to help us provide a better yield over our competitors.


Is there any other question I may help you with today?"

This is why I like Finblox too. Their support is always top notch. Pm me if you want a referral code to get some freebies.

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post Apr 28 2022, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 28 2022, 08:43 AM)
The cost is similar to MYR to UST which consist of
1) Platform Fee
2) Forex Fee
3) Transfer Fee
4) Withdrawal Fee

E.g. If you're using Luno
There's a 0.25% platform fee for every crypto transaction (if you use instant buy/sell then it's 2%). After you acquire Crypto, you will then transfer to Binance/KuCoin/Any Crypto Exchange = Transfer Fee or "Gas Price". Then at Binance/KuCoin/Crypto Exchange = your crypto will need to exchange/swap to UST = "Exchange/Swap Fee", then from there to TerraStation another Transfer Fee/Gas Price, then only you reach Anchor Protocol.

When you plan to withdraw, you've to go through the steps above in reverse confusing at first but once you go through it once then you roughly will know what is the estimate fee you're going to pay. And that's the reason why i started this thread, asking for the cheapest way to acquire StableCoin/Crypto.  icon_idea.gif

Other than fees, time also another factor that's why I'm using Luno as example. If you're using other Crypto Exchange that is not regulated in Malaysia, the bank might raised a red flag whenever N amount of money (Usually in ten thousands) deposit to your account.

I saw many already did buying Crypto from Luno using their EPF 10k --> Binance/KuGoin --> immediately exchange UST for staking.
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All the fees alone aren't cheap since we can't directly buy USD stablecoins from Malaysia FPX.
Buying LTC via Luno, then swapping into another crypto is where it will take up most fees. Then some transfer fees could take up around 1-2 USD.
If you transfer USD 1050, expect it to shrink to around 1040+ once it enters into Anchor or other interest earning apps.
Will only be worthwhile if you plan to invest in them long term (at least a few months, best 1 year or more) without withdrawing.

Example if same amount, 1040, after 1 year in Anchor you will get back 202+ in interest (provided if APY stays at 19.5%).

Please take note of the risks in investing using such tools (can read up on the web). Recommend not to exceed 10% of your portfolio for any crypto.

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post Apr 29 2022, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(runningdash @ Apr 29 2022, 01:59 AM)
Thanks for replying.
So I have been doing some research on p2p.
As of today 1 usd to myr is 4.36(Google).

Checking on binance p2p, 1 usdt rate 4.42
Kucoin p2p 4.44
Huobi 4.418

Huobi has the best rate.
How is the fee for huobi?
Any idea?

But USD is all time high now. Is now a good time to buy usdt for staking or wait USD rate go down a bit first?
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if you wait, you let your cash sit around not earning anything. Better put it in to earn interest.
Even if Ringgit strengthen, do you think it will go up a lot? say hit RM3+ ? For me that's unlikely to happen. The most a 0.10-0.30 improvement which is not a big number.

If you put in Anchor with 20% APY, if you put in 1k USD, in 1 year already earn USD 195 with the 19.5% APY.

For currency exchange, below are the maths:
RM4400 / current rate of 4.35 = USD1011+
RM4400 / assume if rate improve to 4.2 = USD 1047+

That interest you've earned would already exceed the above difference in 1 year's time.

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post May 10 2022, 02:12 PM

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Good thing I'm into USDC yield at Finblox, and avoided Anchor Protocol earlier. Shit is happening over there now:



Reddit full of complaints too:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AnchorProtocol/
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post May 10 2022, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(ntchong @ May 10 2022, 02:51 PM)
finblox gave good APY for USDC... but there are others giving higher
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Yea Midas Investment gives 20%. Problem is I have trust issues with them due to not having an app and the whole thing run by a handful of Russians. Not insured too.
The CEO seems quite knowledgeable though at Reddit.

I chose Finblox in the end coz prefer to have insurance in case get hacked. Mobile app, UI and support is great from them too. Recently they revamped their reddit page with more info. The company and app still seems new, hope more people will choose them in the future. I'm happy with 15% as it is still much higher than putting in KDI Save or Go+ for 3% APY lol. Stock market now tanking everywhere also.

PM me if want a Finblox referral code.

QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ May 10 2022, 03:25 PM)
Oh dear, can't blame Luna as US Economy currently is rapidly falling. I wonder what will happened to those who leverage their crypto position for staking purpose. I read that those using Degenbox use UST to Leverage, but they need to ensure UST to stay above $0.9 and this morning UST drop to $0.61 which is is the worst it has since 2020 Dec which is $0.85.  Feel bad for them.
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Yea man in the past UST depeg did happened before.. it will take them LFG a few weeks or months to restore the peg. But if got continuous selling then it's hard for them to keep peg to 1USD. Easy to happen in this bearish market now.
Imagine if right now you urgently need to withdraw UST and yet got this issue, when you sell UST sure will face some losses. If it's me I won't be able to sleep well knowing this risk sweat.gif

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post May 11 2022, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(ntchong @ May 10 2022, 11:52 PM)
how do you transfer your crypto into Finblox?

the APY in Finblox will not last I think and when they exhausted whatever funds they have, the rates will go down. They are promoting heavily in the Philippines market. APY for stablecoin ideally is around 8% to 10%, still much better than putting in banks.

UST peg will go back to USD1 eventually but must diversify lah. Some long term, some short term, some APY play, etc etc. Most important must understand the project before investing. Crypto market still not stable yet and will continue to fall.
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Today's peg fell again for UST. LFG’s BTC and Luna reserves are now all dried up 💸 :
https://techcrunch.com/2022/05/09/bitcoins-...uidates-wallet/

https://www.business2community.com/crypto-n...in-peg-02492606

I use Crypto.com exchange app to swap LTC (buy via Luno) to get my USDC, then transfer USDC to Finblox using Polygon network (cheapest way) at $1.60 per transfer. Rates here: https://crypto.com/exchange/document/fees-limits?tab=2

Crypto.com got 3 apps total.. after downloading all 3 only realise the exchange app is what I needed since I not hodling there. Register 1 time all 3 apps can use liao. Yeah confusing I know.. 😅

Sent you my referral code already in case you interested. Can get some free usdc depending on the amount you deposit in Finblox.

I have faith in Finblox.. if it sucks it wouldn’t get backing from several big companies for funding. The founding team is has been active in social media eg. LinkedIn as well:
https://www.techinasia.com/sequoia-backs-39...latform-finblox

If one day they stop offering 15% then fine.. if reduce too much then time to search for other reputable place to put usdc in. Most important is usdc maintain its peg for me.

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post May 11 2022, 01:43 PM

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UST price fell to 70+ cents. Luna is now below USD10.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terrausd/

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/terra-luna/

If Luna price keeps going down it will drag UST along with it. The spiral seems to keep getting worse. Made worse with panic withdrawals and sells on the market.


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