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post Apr 14 2022, 06:41 PM, updated 4y ago

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Other vehicle hit that the kids. Bukan me

suka suka tipu mahkamah
kalau tak tipu bukan...



"In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath.

“The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."



https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...ail-for/2053265

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post Apr 14 2022, 06:44 PM

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More interesting development.
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:45 PM

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Omg! Suddenly those support her sign petition need think again their actions
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30 mat rempits were there, 8 died, so can ask the other 22 mat pek pek if there were other cars.
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:41 PM)
Other vehicle hit that the kids. Bukan me

suka suka tipu mahkamah
kalau tak tipu bukan...
"In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath.

“The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...ail-for/2053265
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Still she was charged with reckless driving when those things aren't even supposed to be on the roads.
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(dark_axl21 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:46 PM)
Still she was charged with reckless driving when those things aren't even supposed to be on the roads.
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can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:49 PM

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post Apr 14 2022, 06:50 PM

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where can i see the car?
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:50 PM

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CABAI TS , steal my idea

woi u better pay for my nasi kandar
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CABAI TS , steal my idea

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post Apr 14 2022, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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dont just tembak la. read and get whole story first la bro
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(Lil.Jiro @ Apr 14 2022, 06:50 PM)
where can i see the car?
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:55 PM

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QUOTE(danieln @ Apr 14 2022, 06:52 PM)
dont just tembak la. read and get whole story first la bro
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30 kids bro.. 8 died
how can you achieved that in real life?
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:55 PM

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TS simply misinterpret the news
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:50 PM)
CABAI TS , steal my idea

woi u better pay for my nasi kandar
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 06:55 PM)
TS simply misinterpret the news
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she said : other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles

so is not her car that hit the 8 kids?

how u want explain this ah hmm.gif
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post Apr 14 2022, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:56 PM)
she said : other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles

so is not her car that hit the 8 kids?

how u want explain this ah  hmm.gif
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which part it said it's not her?
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 06:57 PM)
which part it said it's not her?
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if other car already hit the kids...so she hit again? laugh.gif
or what is she doing there?

that can be the only explanation
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:55 PM)
30 kids bro.. 8 died
how can you achieved that in real life?
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post Apr 14 2022, 07:02 PM

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Too bad her car became turtle, if not she sure ran away as well like others
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:59 PM)
if other car already hit the kids...so she hit again?  laugh.gif
or what is she doing there?

that can be the only explanation
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30 kids were there injured including the 8 who died

there is a possibility some other car ram through before her

then later she came n hit also
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:03 PM)
30 kids were there injured including the 8 who died

there is a possibility some other car ram through before her

then later she came n hit also
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post Apr 14 2022, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:03 PM)
30 kids were there injured including the 8 who died

there is a possibility some other car ram through before her

then later she came n hit also
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The problem is why she keep changing the story? Why dont tell this at the 1st prosecution?
No witnesses there

She can kept become ular also no one can verified
Since all 30kids has been rammed

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hero kaki penipu? kinda fit the stereotype~ whistling.gif
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 05:17 PM)
[149] Maka mahkamah berpendapat sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut telah berfungsi di mana motorkar tersebut dapat mengelak halangan yang betul-betul di hadapannya. Kemudiannya pergerakan motorkar tersebut dihalakan ke bahagian kiri jalan AA1 dengan bantuan sistem ABS adalah munasabah kerana jalan A-A1 tersebut adalah lebar jika dibandingkan dengan kelebaran jalan A1-A2 dan jalan A2-A3. Walaubagaimanapun, mahkamah mendapati dalam situasi sebegini OKT tidak boleh dikatakan sebagai gagal mengawal motorkar beliau apabila melihat kecemasan di hadapan beliau. Hal ini kerana keseluruhan besar kumpulan basikal jelas menutup keseluruhan jalan A-A1, maka kumpulan basikal yang berada di kiri jalan A-A1 adalah mustahil untuk dielakkan perlanggaran apabila sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut berfungsi melainkan motorkar tersebut terbang melepasi halangan kumpulan basikal tersebut yang mana dalam masa yang sama tindakan tersebut adalah amat mustahil dapat dilakukan oleh motorkar tersebut. Oleh yang demikian, adalah mustahil untuk membuktikan bahawa OKT cuai atau gagal memberi perhatian terhadap situasi kecemasan berada di hadapannya.

[150] Selain daripada itu, adalah tidak dinafikan bahawa motorkar tersebut juga dilengkapi dengan sistem keselamatan airbag dan akibat pelanggaran motorkar tersebut dengan kumpulan basikal yang banyak telah menyebabkan airbag tersebut tercetus keluar. Menurut keterangan SP28, apabila airbag tercetus tekanan yang keluar daripada airbag tersebut adalah sangat kuat. Maka tekanan yang sangat kuat itu kebiasaanya akan menolak pemandu lebih belakang walaupun momentum kenderaan sendiri akan menolak pemandu ke hadapan dan menyebabkan separuh halangan pandangan kepada pemandu motorkar apabila airbag tercetus. Oleh yang demikian, adalah munasabah dalam situasi sebegini kemungkinan OKT terlepas gengaman kepada stereng motorkar tersebut dan kemudiannya beliau ketika itu hanya mampu mengawal motorkar tersebut dengan hanya menekan brek atau melepaskan pedal minyak motorkar tersebut menurut keterangan SP28.

[151] Jelasnya mahkamah berpendapat situasi sebegini terjadi bukan disebabkan OKT gagal mengawal motorkar beliau atau cuai mengendalikan stereng motorkar tersebut sehingga menyebabkan pelanggaran dalam kedua-dua situasi tersebut. Hal ini kerana, sistem keselamatan motorkar iaitu ABS dan Airbag berfungsi dengan baik. Selain itu, tiada sebarang keterangan dikemukakan di mahkamah yang menunjukkan kerosakan berlaku pada tembok pembahagi jalan yang berada di laluan A3 mahupun pada pokok-pokok yang berada di bahu jalan laluan A-A1. Malahan itu, mahkamah juga mendapati OKT tidak di bawah pengaruh dadah mahupun alkohol semasa memandu, tidak menggunakan telefon bimbit semasa memandu dan OKT memakai tali pinggang keledar semasa memandu. Kesimpulannya, berdasarkan pemerhatian-pemerhatian di atas, mahkamah mendapati OKT memandu dengan tanggungjawab berjaga dan kemahiran pemanduan munasabah.
p/s:  Kereta terbalik oleh orang umum yang membantu kerana nak mengesahkan samada budak terperangkap di bawah ???  Boleh cari sos ...
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:04 PM)
The problem why she keep changing the story?
No witnesses there

She can kept become ular also no one can verified
Since all 30kids has been rammed
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if u had met with an accident, can you remember every single thing?

u will also panic and shocked on that particular moment.

u sembang kuat ah
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QUOTE(MasterConfucion @ Apr 14 2022, 06:45 PM)
Omg! Suddenly those support her sign petition need think again their actions
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OMG. How the plot twist.
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:06 PM)
if u had met with an accident, can you remember every single thing?

u will also panic and shocked on that particular moment.

u sembang kuat ah
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Its not u need to testified on the same day

Maybe she trying to create a story to defend herself

After masuk court baru teringat 1 missing piece

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:03 PM)
30 kids were there injured including the 8 who died

there is a possibility some other car ram through before her

then later she came n hit also
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i really want to believe this...

i really.....................
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:08 PM)
i really want to believe this...

i really.....................
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u go and interview her lor since u r so interested
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:09 PM)
u go and interview her lor since u r so interested
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1st she should said this or her lawyer should raise this point during magistrate time already
now only cakap?
2nd seriously there is 1 car that bang all the kids before her?

lol u like this also can create story...steady la u ....steady!!!!!!!!!!

ur story is better then 1mdb laugh.gif
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku. Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian. Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan.

[134] Mahkamah mendapati kerosakan motorkar adalah tertumpu sebahagian besarnya kepada badan hadapan motorkar tersebut dan bukannya pada kerangka chasis utama (main chasis). Ini jelas memberi indikasi motorkar tersebut tidak dipandu laju semasa kemalangan berlaku tetapi rempuhan telah berlaku antara motorkar tersebut dengan sekumpulan basikal yang banyak. Rempuhan yang kuat antara motorkar dengan bilangan basikal yang banyak telah berlaku namun ia tidak disumbangkan oleh faktor kelajuan motorkar tersebut.

[135] Menurut keterangan SP24 semasa pemeriksaan balas, mengakui bahawa segala kerosakan motorkar tersebut boleh dibaiki mengikut kaedah-kaedah pembaikan dan motorkar tersebut juga boleh digunakan semula apabila selesai dibaiki. Pendapat SP24 ini juga selaras dengan rumusan Laporan Puspakom yang beliau sediakan di m/s 4 laporan tersebut. Seterusnya mahkamah berpendapat keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut adalah satu keadaan yang sangat berbeza dengan apa yang dirumuskan oleh SP24.
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post Apr 14 2022, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:07 PM)
Its not u need to testified on the same day

Maybe she trying to create a story to defend  herself

After masuk court baru teringat 1 missing piece
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Fitnah during Bulan puasa? Double the dosa
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:03 PM)
30 kids were there injured including the 8 who died

there is a possibility some other car ram through before her

then later she came n hit also
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If that was the case, she would have told the court that. Why withhold such a material fact?


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post Apr 14 2022, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:03 PM)
30 kids were there injured including the 8 who died

there is a possibility some other car ram through before her

then later she came n hit also
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If yes should support with police report. Or else judge will consider as bare denial bcoz police cannot investigate ur sudden claim.

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:11 PM)
Fitnah during Bulan puasa? Double the dosa
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Just follow the news
If she penipu, its not fitnah
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:12 PM)
Just follow the news
If she penipu, its not fitnah
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IF......you are not the judge.
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Apr 14 2022, 07:12 PM)
If that was the case, she would have told the court that. Why withhold such a material fact?
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malaysian mudah lupa ma

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:13 PM)
IF......you are not the judge.
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The judge already sentenced her for 6 yrs jailed time
But still u dont agree
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:11 PM)
1st she should said this or her lawyer should raise this point during magistrate time already
now only cakap?
2nd seriously there is 1 car that bang all the kids before her?

lol u like this also can create story...steady la u ....steady!!!!!!!!!!

ur story is better then 1mdb laugh.gif
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u go visit her now and ask her lo
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:15 PM)
The judge already sentenced her for 6 yrs jailed time
But still u dont agree
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Not finished yet, cause she is going to appeal. Your boss Jibby also convicted but still running around.

Also YOU fitnah her lying and you FITNAH her she fabricating story.

Whether she is guilty or not is not the pro lem, the problem is YOU fitnah her for no reason.

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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:15 PM)
u go visit her now and ask her lo
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she already tell that to judge laugh.gif
judge dont believe her story , sentence her GUILTY
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 14 2022, 07:04 PM)
hero kaki penipu? kinda fit the stereotype~ whistling.gif
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awak dengan TS kaki batu api dengan fitnah masa bulan puasa apa hukumnya ya?

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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Apr 14 2022, 07:16 PM)
awak dengan TS kaki batu api dengan fitnah masa bulan puasa apa hukumnya ya?

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This is not related with other car banging the kids stories
What u trying to relate here

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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:11 PM)
[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku. Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian. Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan.

[134] Mahkamah mendapati kerosakan motorkar adalah tertumpu sebahagian besarnya kepada badan hadapan motorkar tersebut dan bukannya pada kerangka chasis utama (main chasis). Ini jelas memberi indikasi motorkar tersebut tidak dipandu laju semasa kemalangan berlaku tetapi rempuhan telah berlaku antara motorkar tersebut dengan sekumpulan basikal yang banyak. Rempuhan yang kuat antara motorkar dengan bilangan basikal yang banyak telah berlaku namun ia tidak disumbangkan oleh faktor kelajuan motorkar tersebut.

[135] Menurut keterangan SP24 semasa pemeriksaan balas, mengakui bahawa segala kerosakan motorkar tersebut boleh dibaiki mengikut kaedah-kaedah pembaikan dan motorkar tersebut juga boleh digunakan semula apabila selesai dibaiki. Pendapat SP24 ini juga selaras dengan rumusan Laporan Puspakom yang beliau sediakan di m/s 4 laporan tersebut. Seterusnya mahkamah berpendapat keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut adalah satu keadaan yang sangat berbeza dengan apa yang dirumuskan oleh SP24.
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Ok i go berbuka 1st.. see ya later
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:18 PM)
This is not related with other car banging the kids stories
Why u trying to relate here
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:18 PM)
This is not related with other car banging the kids stories
Why u trying to relate here
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please forgive him

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in the end no matter she lied or not...
those nyamuk should not at road riding those cilaka bike....
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Some bodo retard here bash wrongy despite expert review
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:19 PM)
Ok i go berbuka 1st.. see ya later
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Fitnah orang dah batal, nk buka apa?
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:16 PM)
Not finished yet, cause she is going to appeal. Your boss Jibby also convicted but still running around.

Also YOU fitnah her lying and you FITNAH her she fabricating story.

Whether she is guilty or not is not the pro lem, the problem is YOU fitnah her for no reason.
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QUOTE(moiskyrie @ Apr 14 2022, 07:20 PM)
in the end no matter she lied or not...
those nyamuk should not at road riding those cilaka bike....
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:22 PM)
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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car turtle up got few scenario maybe some pin down n those people push the car to be turtle.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:18 PM)
This is not related with other car banging the kids stories
What u trying to relate here
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:19 PM)
please forgive him

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its ok, go ahead and double down on fitnah pada bulan puasa..

in TS own words:
QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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in forensics words:
tldr =
1) kerosakan motokar OKT boleh dibaiki dan di gunakan semula.
2) hentaman antara motokar dengan 30 basikal tidak kuat kerana enjin dan kerangka utama kereta tidak rosak atau bengkok

user posted image

also in forensics words:
tldr =
1) pelanggaran terjadi walaupun motorkar tersebut dipandu di bawah kelajuan 50km/h

user posted image
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ts fail comprehension. pls go dai. read the full article. and post the full paragraph.
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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Apr 14 2022, 07:27 PM)
its ok, go ahead and double down on fitnah pada bulan puasa..

in TS own words:
in forensics words:
tldr =
1) kerosakan motokar OKT boleh dibaiki dan di gunakan semula.
2) hentaman antara motokar dengan 30 basikal tidak kuat kerana enjin dan kerangka utama kereta tidak rosak atau bengkok

user posted image

also in forensics words:
tldr =
1) pelanggaran terjadi walaupun motorkar tersebut dipandu di bawah kelajuan 50km/h

user posted image
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Their objective is to provoke in this forum to garner attention to themselves. Whatever arguments or response won't get through them because it's not in their interest to listen to anyone else.

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:31 PM)
No need to fight the troll gang la. I've put all of them in ignore list. Life has too much to offer than let it be controlled by trolls.

Their objective is to provoke in this forum to garner attention to themselves. Whatever arguments or response won't get through them because it's not in their interest to listen to anyone else.
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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Apr 14 2022, 07:16 PM)
awak dengan TS kaki batu api dengan fitnah masa bulan puasa apa hukumnya ya?

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 07:18 PM)
This is not related with other car banging the kids stories
What u trying to relate here
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These is the judgement from the Sam Ke Ting case and the finding of facts by the Judge, PDRM and also Malaysian Institute of Road Safety Research (MIROS) as appointed by PDRM. What u trying to spin here ???

DALAM MAHKAMAH MAJISTRET JOHOR BAHRU
DALAM NEGERI JOHOR DARUL TAKZIM
KES TANGKAP TRAFIK NO: 83J-22-03/2017
PENDAKWARAYA
LWN
SAM KE TING
ALASAN PENGHAKIMAN
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well using air bag to judge on the speed is no way accurate.

I have see during traffic jam, a car just didn't pay attention and banged the car in front. air bag immediately pumped out ... LOL
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From what i understand is that there's other car also involved in the incident and sped off but her car unfortunately in more serious condition.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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physics degree from mana? Harvard law schoool? like Dr Shamsher the Loyar Beruk?




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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:16 PM)
Not finished yet, cause she is going to appeal. Your boss Jibby also convicted but still running around.

Also YOU fitnah her lying and you FITNAH her she fabricating story.

Whether she is guilty or not is not the pro lem, the problem is YOU fitnah her for no reason.
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Ts macam macai jkom

And fitnah the girl
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No need to fight the troll gang la. I've put all of them in ignore list. Life has too much to offer than let it be controlled by trolls.

Their objective is to provoke in this forum to garner attention to themselves. Whatever arguments or response won't get through them because it's not in their interest to listen to anyone else.
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QUOTE(chrisweeks @ Apr 14 2022, 07:51 PM)
physics degree from mana? Harvard law schoool? like Dr Shamsher the Loyar Beruk?
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At least the loyar got Dr

U sampah pun xde
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QUOTE(xCM @ Apr 14 2022, 07:52 PM)
Ts macam macai jkom

And fitnah the girl
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She didnt say her car didnt hit the boys, based on ts's posted sentences.
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QUOTE(katijar @ Apr 14 2022, 08:19 PM)
She didnt say her car didnt hit the boys, based on ts's posted sentences.
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She said other car hit the boys too
Why so sudden got “others” car in her stories?
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:22 PM)
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:56 PM)
she said : other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles

so is not her car that hit the 8 kids?

how u want explain this ah  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 08:20 PM)
She said other car hit the boys too
Why so sudden got “others” car in her stories?
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This is just some additional info she wanted to provide.
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QUOTE(katijar @ Apr 14 2022, 08:23 PM)
This is just some additional info she wanted to provide.
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Why need to wait until higher court to provide the info
It should be on police report

Its highway, cctv everywhere.. 3am lagi
How many car pass thru there
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she did not say she didn't hit the sohai neraka bound kids. She say there are other car hit the sohai kids also... it still didn't change the fact she hit the kids.

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QUOTE(FreedomSeeker @ Apr 14 2022, 08:28 PM)
she did not say she didn't hit the sohai neraka bound kids. She say there are other car hit the sohai kids also... it still didn't change the fact she hit the kids.
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Meaning to re-phrase ur word


She only lightly touch the kids.. but the “others” car did the full damaged and kill most children

So she innocent?


Walawei really good with putar alam
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:41 PM)
Other vehicle hit that the kids. Bukan me

suka suka tipu mahkamah
kalau tak tipu bukan...
"In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath.

“The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...ail-for/2053265
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 08:28 PM)
Why need to wait until higher court to provide the info
It should be on police report

Its highway, cctv everywhere.. 3am lagi
How many car pass thru there
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Then show the cctv her car was the only one in high way
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Lol kena bukak tered tempat jkom sampah berkumpul to console.gif each other

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She spinning up many story now to defend herself or her lawyer just really noob. This kind of move make her more untrusworthy. Last minute parachute to save ass. If she just admit at first place and look remorse she could get away with very light sentence.

Also did she ever apologize to the parents of deceased kids? If never apologize then I guess no remose. If I am in her shoes, eventho I accidently killed someone on the road, not coz my fault, I would still apologize to the deceased family. You can be right by law, but you can always show emphaty as well.

After taking 8 lives and never show any remorse is just super strong will or no eff given?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 08:32 PM)
Meaning to re-phrase ur word
She only lightly touch the kids.. but the “others” car did the full damaged and kill most children

So she innocent?
Walawei really good with putar alam
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Speaking of putar, can you point out where did FreedomSeeker mention that she only lightly touch the kids?
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QUOTE(katijar @ Apr 14 2022, 08:33 PM)
Then show the cctv her  car was the only one in high way
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If she put in her report.
For sure police will bukak cctv last time

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QUOTE(khelben @ Apr 14 2022, 08:34 PM)
Speaking of putar, can you point out where did FreedomSeeker mention that she only lightly touch the kids?
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That a re-phrase
Already mention it


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QUOTE(United Rulez @ Apr 14 2022, 08:33 PM)
Lol kena bukak tered tempat jkom sampah berkumpul to  console.gif  each other
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 08:35 PM)
That a re-phrase
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So you twist his words?

Okok noted
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QUOTE(Optizorb @ Apr 14 2022, 07:16 PM)
awak dengan TS kaki batu api dengan fitnah masa bulan puasa apa hukumnya ya?

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LOL, so her unsworn statement is the truth or penipu scammer? Highlight ground of judgment but bodoh beh song cannot answer TS original post. Lol sendiri kaki fitnah, accused others pulak. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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You work as CSI?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 08:34 PM)
If she put in her report.
For sure police will bukak cctv last time
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lol polis not sohai like you

if do investigation must have check all nearby CCTV

they are not bodo like you
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:03 PM)
30 kids were there injured including the 8 who died

there is a possibility some other car ram through before her

then later she came n hit also
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5 year passed already... even if captured on other cameras, probably no more footage left.

From the beginning should have insisted in getting solid evidence in her defense rather than solely relying on the judgment of the court letting her go.

If got solid evidence that another car did the initial and most damage, that's the best defense for her.


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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 14 2022, 08:36 PM)
lol polis not sohai like you

if do investigation must have check all nearby CCTV

they are not bodo like you
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Apr 14 2022, 08:39 PM)
5 year passed already... even if captured on other cameras, probably no more footage left.

From the beginning should have insisted in getting solid evidence in her defense rather than solely relying on the judgment of the court letting her go.

If got solid evidence that another car did the initial and most damage, that's the best defense for her.
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Agree either she playing some games here

After 5yrs only mention this thing and hoping everything is untraceable
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I would say that SKT is just very unlucky because this case was already being sensualized from the start. One end people are arguing on the existence of basikal lajak kids on highway at 3am, the other end just want SKT to be served. Naturally, that's where police investigation and the court cases headed. Well if it wasn't too sensualized likely they can have a more thorough investigation.
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QUOTE(Nagashiro @ Apr 14 2022, 08:47 PM)
So many forensic expert in /k lol.
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More like theory’s experts.. lol!
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Apr 14 2022, 07:06 PM)
if u had met with an accident, can you remember every single thing?

u will also panic and shocked on that particular moment.

u sembang kuat ah
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My wife was walking and got hit by a car that potong corner
She fell backwards after getting hit by the side mirror.

She got the car wrong, she said Vios, but actual Almari
Color also wrong, silver instead of metallic light Blue.

She until today swear by it

Lucky got CCTV.
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QUOTE(azbro @ Apr 14 2022, 08:53 PM)
My wife was walking and got hit by a car that potong corner
She fell backwards after getting hit by the side mirror.

She got the car wrong, she said Vios, but actual Almari
Color also wrong, silver instead of metallic light Blue.

She until today swear by it

Lucky got CCTV.
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But she still remember there is a “car”


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QUOTE(azbro @ Apr 14 2022, 08:53 PM)
My wife was walking and got hit by a car that potong corner
She fell backwards after getting hit by the side mirror.

She got the car wrong, she said Vios, but actual Almari
Color also wrong, silver instead of metallic light Blue.

She until today swear by it

Lucky got CCTV.
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Someone here would say yr wife tried to deny it
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QUOTE(katijar @ Apr 14 2022, 08:56 PM)
Someone here would say yr wife tried to deny it
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Her wife is the victim.. only apply to those kids
Bukan org yg rammed langgar beramai2 tu.

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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Apr 14 2022, 08:39 PM)
5 year passed already... even if captured on other cameras, probably no more footage left.

From the beginning should have insisted in getting solid evidence in her defense rather than solely relying on the judgment of the court letting her go.

If got solid evidence that another car did the initial and most damage, that's the best defense for her.
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Got screwed by her lawyer what to do. Obviously high court adi not agree with the majistret decision earlier hence asked her to enter defense. Just bare denial without proof will make things worse only. If you want to claim there was another car, you have to show the proof to support ur story.


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Courts memang very technical .. one slight of doubt can change the judges decision .. i hope she appeals again .. let rayuan court decide pula

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Sounds like something her defence lawyer came up with to throw a spanner in the works. But was it worth it. Not now. Did it play a part in the current verdict. Hmmm don't think so. Main crux of the judgement was the reckless driving

QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 08:58 PM)
Her wife is the victim.. only apply to those kids
Bukan org yg rammed langgar beramai2 tu.
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Semi serious question now, you plow into those scooter fellas in cyber you consider them victims or not kek

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QUOTE(9m2w @ Apr 14 2022, 09:04 PM)
Sounds like something her defence lawyer came up with to throw a spanner in the works. But was it worth it. Not now. Did it play a part in the current verdict. Hmmm don't think so. Main crux of the judgement was the reckless driving
Semi serious question now, you plow into those scooter fellas in cyber you consider them victims or not kek
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Nope since i got dashcam.
Easy to validate the incident. Rather than hearsay
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 09:08 PM)
Nope since i got dashcam.
Easy to validate the incident. Rather than hearsay
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Even if it shows you slightly above speed limit, place is well lit and your car terbalik. Remember it's reckless driving, not whether you expect scooters to be on the road. Conundrum bhai

Anyway not serious just ribbing you. Which i suspect you are also pulling off on a bigger scale here kek
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QUOTE(rd33 @ Apr 14 2022, 08:33 PM)
She spinning up many story now to defend herself or her lawyer just really noob. This kind of move make her more untrusworthy. Last minute parachute to save ass. If she just admit at first place and look remorse she could get away with very light sentence.

Also did she ever apologize to the parents of deceased kids? If never apologize then I guess no remose. If I am in her shoes, eventho I accidently killed someone on the road, not coz my fault, I would still apologize to the deceased family. You can be right by law, but you can always show emphaty as well.

After taking 8 lives and never show any remorse is just super strong will or no eff given?
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by your logic, the navy officer who langgar the cow in the PLUS highway should apologise to the cow owner as well?
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I would say that SKT is just very unlucky because this case was already being sensualized from the start. One end people are arguing on the existence of basikal lajak kids on highway at 3am, the other end just want SKT to be served. Naturally, that's where police investigation and the court cases headed. Well if it wasn't too sensualized likely they can have a more thorough investigation.
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serve then serve...since we can't argue anymore on her behalf...

BUTTTTTTT

Parents lalai is illegal, proven, all the parents of the 30 lajak kids need to be prosecuted.

Lajak is also illegal, also proven, 8 dead, so 22 more need to be prosecuted.

SO WHEN WILL PROSECUTE THEM? CAN RAKYAT SUE THEM AND BRING THEM TO COURT?

WANT TO PLAY LAW AH? COME LA.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:41 PM)
Other vehicle hit that the kids. Bukan me

suka suka tipu mahkamah
kalau tak tipu bukan...
"In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath.

“The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...ail-for/2053265
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Got dashcam recording?

If only she got dashcam

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Got dashcam recording?

If only she got dashcam
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That not the issue. If she know other car joint venture in the incident, just tell during 1st jurisdictions lah
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If she say there is other car that hit them first, mayb that 1 ringan ringan, thats why the kids is all over the road. Must be something happening there, then came SKT hit from the left lane.

If She said that, can start new kaji selidik. Anything is possible since no CCTV. Mayb can hire bomoh temuramah graveyard beside there for saksi.
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Apr 14 2022, 09:23 PM)
serve then serve...since we can't argue anymore on her behalf...

BUTTTTTTT

Parents lalai is illegal, proven, all the parents of the 30 lajak kids need to be prosecuted.

Lajak is also illegal, also proven, 8 dead, so 22 more need to be prosecuted.

SO WHEN WILL PROSECUTE THEM? CAN RAKYAT SUE THEM AND BRING THEM TO COURT?

WANT TO PLAY LAW AH? COME LA.
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Hi there’s a way, please apply for a declaration order from the Court to compel the AG to prosecute those people you listed above. Such has been done before.


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It's OK la TS. Court oredi say basikal lajak is halal and protected by law ok. You win liao can let your kids play on highway no issue. Time to move on
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Even if its dark 30 kids on bike u still cannot see ????
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Even if its dark 30 kids on bike u still cannot see ????
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You never drive without roadlights before is it? Literally can't see anything further than your headlights, somemore its winding road
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QUOTE(shikimori @ Apr 14 2022, 09:46 PM)
Even if its dark 30 kids on bike u still cannot see ????
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This is why bikes have lights.

You dress up in all black, jaywalk on a dark road and see how long your lifespan will be.

Besides with so many if them, they would have taken up the whole multilane highway. It's like shooting fish in a bucket.
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Even if its dark 30 kids on bike u still cannot see ????
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30 kids racing together side by side.
Can avoid how many of them? 8/30 seems lojik.

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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Apr 14 2022, 09:43 PM)
It's OK la TS. Court oredi say basikal lajak is halal and protected by law ok. You win liao can let your kids play on highway no issue. Time to move on
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No lah bodoh, court didn’t say that, you pun moyang datuk nenek keturunan culture penipu isssit?
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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Apr 14 2022, 09:43 PM)
It's OK la TS. Court oredi say basikal lajak is halal and protected by law ok. You win liao can let your kids play on highway no issue. Time to move on
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I know u being sarcastic but that is really misinformation.

The verdict was given for false statement that raise new doubt on her case.

The anti-lajak law is still in effect.
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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Apr 14 2022, 09:48 PM)
You never drive without roadlights before is it? Literally can't see anything further than your headlights, somemore its winding road
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Full of street light lah.. dont lie
The video is dark due to chepo hp. Low light not capable
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Apr 14 2022, 09:52 PM)
This is why bikes have lights.

You dress up in all black, jaywalk on a dark road and see how long your lifespan will be.

Besides with so many if them, they would have taken up the whole multilane highway. It's like shooting fish in a bucket.
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QUOTE(judas @ Apr 14 2022, 09:53 PM)
30 kids racing together side by side.
Can avoid how many of them? 8/30 seems lojik.
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Rammed all 30 ler.. but 8 kids die


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Where is the CCTV ???
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Maybe kena tipu by dap lawyer to sacrifice for their political gains.
She should find MCA for help.
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wanna prove she's lying give lar full testimony,.... this one she say one or the judge ???.. the judge also say she's reckless driving,.. while forensics report said she's driving 50km/h and it's a hilly road that block vision on road in front,..with low light visibility,..
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Where is the CCTV ???
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wanna prove she's lying give lar full testimony,.... this one she say one or the judge ???.. the judge also say she's reckless driving,.. while forensics report said she's driving 50km/h and it's a hilly road that block vision on road in front,..with low light visibility,..
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She said lah.. u x reti baca ker?
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Full of street lights
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Okay this is so my wtf moment.

Many ktard say it is dark.

This is not bloody dark.

Dark is like genting sempah where u cant see shit.

You better say u edit this picture or im so piss off with ktard stupid bodo claim.
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She said lah.. u x reti baca ker?
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That guy had been simping the defendant since afternoon.

According to him, if there is no testimony from the court proceeding, you just giving fake news.

I think he dont know media has full access to the court room and they cant report false claim or they will get sued to oblivion.
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:03 PM)
Okay this is so my wtf moment.

Many ktard say it is dark.

This is not bloody dark.

Dark is like genting sempah where u cant see shit.

You better say u edit this picture or im so piss off with ktard stupid bodo claim.
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K/tard only based the video recorder

Everyone know chepo hp cant take good video due to low light capabiltities.. that why keep mention dark dark


If no street light then its dark, like our plus highway
With highway street light its more like seremban/ainsdale interchange road

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Full of street lights
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The attached picture is the crime scene where the 8 boys died allegedly knocked down by Ms Sam ? Is that Ms Sam overturned vehicle ?

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Apr 14 2022, 10:08 PM
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She said lah.. u x reti baca ker?
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hallo,.. itu her testimony kah ??.. or the judge's judgement ??...

why not give full testimony of her from 1st and 2nd trial,.. ???
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 10:07 PM)
The attached picture is the crime scene where the 8 boys died allegedly knocked down by Ms Sam ?
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Ya lar.. u x nampak that turtle car?

Nah link
See how dark it is

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wapcar.my/news/44803/amp

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anything , thank you for taking down mat rempit for us. 100k more to go
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 10:08 PM)
Ya lar.. u x nampak that turtle car?
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I never followed this case from the beginning. Because lack of important information at the initial stages, so lazy to follow.


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This darkcocksucker doing ot
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Baru habes terawikh..
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Shortage of grabe or fool panda rider nanti. Who gonna send food nanti
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Apr 14 2022, 10:07 PM)
hallo,.. itu her testimony kah ??.. or the judge's judgement ??...

why not give full testimony of her from 1st and 2nd trial,.. ???
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U go find lar.

We read news is enough. If you so syiok to prove her innocence, then go dig all that yourself.

The news said the defendant change her statement in court. U dun wan to believe u go sue the news.
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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Apr 14 2022, 09:48 PM)
You never drive without roadlights before is it? Literally can't see anything further than your headlights, somemore its winding road
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Depends on how fast she is going . Logically if its dark I wouldnt be speeding in the first place

QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Apr 14 2022, 09:52 PM)
This is why bikes have lights.

You dress up in all black, jaywalk on a dark road and see how long your lifespan will be.

Besides with so many if them, they would have taken up the whole multilane highway. It's like shooting fish in a bucket.
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Of course light helps but not rempit at night would have prevented this

QUOTE(judas @ Apr 14 2022, 09:53 PM)
30 kids racing together side by side.
Can avoid how many of them? 8/30 seems lojik.
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You must have poor eyesight
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 10:11 PM)
I never followed this case from the beginning. Because lack of important information at the initial stages, so lazy to follow.
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Sama lar.

Only after seeing 4 tered in one day started to read.


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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 10:08 PM)
Ya lar.. u x nampak that turtle car?

Nah link
See how dark it is

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wapcar.my/news/44803/amp
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Ms. Sam occupation is what actually ? Kejap clerk, kejap saleswoman, kejap ....
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QUOTE(shikimori @ Apr 14 2022, 10:14 PM)
Depends on how fast she is going . Logically if its dark I wouldnt be speeding in the first place
Of course light helps but not rempit at night would have prevented this
You must have poor eyesight
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Not dark at all wei.

Ktard share the pic of her car turtled. The road was well lit!

And she changed her story that other car is ramming those sohai, not her. So, cant know what is what anymore.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 08:15 PM)
At least the loyar got Dr

U sampah pun xde
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at least i am not the type of rasis sampah that claim stupid shit and pretend got proof

maruah pun xde




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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:14 PM)
Sama lar.

Only after seeing 4 tered in one day started to read.
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It will be very hard to piece back the pieces because the correct sequence is very important. Now we can only rely on the court documents.
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at least i am not the type of rasis sampah that claim stupid shit and pretend got proof

maruah pun xde
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I think like this one baru maruah takde
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:13 PM)
U go find lar.

We read news is enough. If you so syiok to prove her innocence, then go dig all that yourself.

The news said the defendant change her statement in court. U dun wan to believe u go sue the news.
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u the one accusing,.. the burden of proof is on u,.. not me,...
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:16 PM)
Not dark at all wei.

Ktard share the pic of her car turtled. The road was well lit!

And she changed her story that other car is ramming those sohai, not her. So, cant know what is what anymore.
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Can someone explain how did Ms Sam vehicle turtled ? Just by hitting into small bicycles ?
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Does it means she purposely hit them at high speed until own car also turtle?

And so lucky evidence shown she drove slow without DUI?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:41 PM)
Other vehicle hit that the kids. Bukan me

suka suka tipu mahkamah
kalau tak tipu bukan...
"In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath.

“The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...ail-for/2053265
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This is like Anwar case. If he don't swear... Than ur statement simply do kot have integritu
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It will be very hard to piece back the pieces because the correct sequence is very important. Now we can only rely on the court documents.
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Only us jer because we tertinggal train. Other ktard seem like have all the info.

Or they are like us, no info yet already pick a side.

I dun defend those lajak sohai but they didnt deserve to die. Nor do I support Sam Ke Ting verdict as she is might be a victim of situation.

I just like to blast ktard who spread misinformation left and right just to forward their agenda.
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Baru habes terawikh..
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 08:17 PM)
Hey sohai

What is this relate to her keep changing story

Suddenly mention other car bang the kids
If she can lie in the court,

What kind of other stuff she can lie too
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Oh maha sohai.

Why are you accusing her of lying? She did not raise the defense at prosecution level and it is her right to raise any defense at any point in time. Up to Judge to decide.

High Court Judge made cleared that Magistrate should have put the respondent under oath. When did the High Court Judge say that she is lying.

Bottom line is the charge is reckless driving. You smoking weed and now the charge is lying is it? Hakim ada kata tertuduh itu penipu ke? Judge only said that respondent did not raise the same defense before the magistrate. This is an omission by the respondent.

The finding of facts are

1. She drove within speed limit 50km and below. (as confirmed by expert witness independently appointed by Royal Police of Msia.
2. She was not drunk or playing handphone (although banyak Yang fitnah)

"In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath.

“The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."

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I think like this one baru maruah takde
So shitty
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This, fukken lolz

QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Apr 14 2022, 10:18 PM)
u the one accusing,.. the burden of proof is on u,.. not me,...
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Wadefaq im accusing? Im just quoting news. We all are. Why you so die die want us to get the testimony for you? Go get urself lar.
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:20 PM)
Only us jer because we tertinggal train. Other ktard seem like have all the info.

Or they are like us, no info yet already pick a side.

I dun defend those lajak sohai but they didnt deserve to die. Nor do I support Sam Ke Ting verdict as she is might be a victim of situation.

I just like to blast ktard who spread misinformation left and right just to forward their agenda.
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Some had written that the accident happened because it was a blind corner la, winding road la etc etc.

If that was the picture of the crime scene, that road looked pretty straight right ?


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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 10:24 PM)
Some had written that the accident happened because it was a blind corner la, winding road la etc etc.

If that was the picture of the crime scene, that road looked pretty straight right ?
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Its a straight road. Already mention in the statement
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I think like this one baru maruah takde
So shitty
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lol like this also can link to a different court with a different case altogether. You really butthurt aren't you, or memo is out, stir r&r max engine? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 10:24 PM)
Some had written that the accident happened because it was a blind corner la, winding road la etc etc.

If that was the picture of the crime scene, that road looked pretty straight right ?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 10:24 PM)
Its a straight road. Already mention in the statement
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Since she change her story, cant say for shit what is happening. Did her care turtled because she avoiding them? Did she really ram them because she is sleepy (3am)?

Thank God im not the judge for her case. So many things need to consider.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Apr 14 2022, 10:27 PM)
lol like this also can link to a different court with a different case altogether. You really butthurt aren't you, or memo is out, stir r&r max engine?  biggrin.gif
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I just save those meme from other tered
Seem good can re-use it anytime
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:22 PM)
This, fukken lolz
Wadefaq im accusing? Im just quoting news. We all are. Why you so die die want us to get the testimony for you? Go get urself lar.
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the news who said one ???... did the judge accuse her lying ???... or TS accuse her lying ???.. u supporting TS point,.. so u also accusing her lying,..

u wanna me to proof your accusation ???
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I just save those meme from other tered
Seem good can re-use it anytime
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ooo... still butthurt la tu, or r&r engine overdrive until new memo says change topic?
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:27 PM)
Since she change her story, cant say for shit what is happening. Did her care turtled because she avoiding them? Did she really ram them because she is sleepy (3am)?

Thank God im not the judge for her case. So many things need to consider.
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this is from first page of this same tered. it is up to you to believe the troll


[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku. Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian. Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan.

[134] Mahkamah mendapati kerosakan motorkar adalah tertumpu sebahagian besarnya kepada badan hadapan motorkar tersebut dan bukannya pada kerangka chasis utama (main chasis). Ini jelas memberi indikasi motorkar tersebut tidak dipandu laju semasa kemalangan berlaku tetapi rempuhan telah berlaku antara motorkar tersebut dengan sekumpulan basikal yang banyak. Rempuhan yang kuat antara motorkar dengan bilangan basikal yang banyak telah berlaku namun ia tidak disumbangkan oleh faktor kelajuan motorkar tersebut.

[135] Menurut keterangan SP24 semasa pemeriksaan balas, mengakui bahawa segala kerosakan motorkar tersebut boleh dibaiki mengikut kaedah-kaedah pembaikan dan motorkar tersebut juga boleh digunakan semula apabila selesai dibaiki. Pendapat SP24 ini juga selaras dengan rumusan Laporan Puspakom yang beliau sediakan di m/s 4 laporan tersebut. Seterusnya mahkamah berpendapat keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut adalah satu keadaan yang sangat berbeza dengan apa yang dirumuskan oleh SP24.
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:27 PM)
Since she change her story, cant say for shit what is happening. Did her care turtled because she avoiding them? Did she really ram them because she is sleepy (3am)?

Thank God im not the judge for her case. So many things need to consider.
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still not u accusing her lying ???
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can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:27 PM)
Since she change her story, cant say for shit what is happening. Did her care turtled because she avoiding them? Did she really ram them because she is sleepy (3am)?

Thank God im not the judge for her case. So many things need to consider.
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Only kutu malam wont be sleepy at that hour. Those who really have to work to earn a living during the day, will definately be sleepy at those hours.

Which day was it that the accident happened ? Was it on her working day or off day ?

Yup many things for us to consider since we missed the train. Make that too many. LOL

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At this point, it's too late already. I no longer care whether it's by her or anyone; she is the hero we need, even if we don't deserve her.

Thanks to her accidental distinguished action while in the field, the country is now awaken from the previous apathetic handling of the menace that is basikal lajak.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 10:33 PM)
Only kutu malam wont be sleepy at that hour. Those who really have to work to earn a living during the day, will definately be sleepy at those hours.

Which day was it that the accident happened ? Was it on her working day or off day ?

Yup many things for us to consider since we missed the train. LOL
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by your logic, the navy officer who langgar the cow in the PLUS highway should apologise to the cow owner as well?
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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Apr 14 2022, 10:33 PM)
still not u accusing her lying ???
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No, im not accusing her anything.

She the one who change her statement, so I cant make any conclusive statement. Need more court proceeding to find out why she submit a different statement.

QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 10:33 PM)
Only kutu malam wont be sleepy at that hour. Those who really have to work to earn a living during the day, will definately be sleepy at those hours.

Which day was it that the accident happened ? Was it on her working day or off day ?

Yup many things for us to consider since we missed the train. LOL
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Yep. But from parts of the news and how ktards response, it obvious her case was absorbed to everyone own agenda.

Melei politician to get more supports from melei.

Caines politician to get more supports from caines.

At the end, those bastard politician profits.
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finally it comes to this.

the event of a gang of kids , not 1 or 2 but 30 of them hogging the road playing superman on bike at 3.20am , does not really matter anymore.

what the goal now is to find someone to blame for the deaths.

sad to say, she may not win. a long trial battle will break a person mentally and physically and finally, a slip of mouth will end it all.

now u have the ppl here n there, wannabe detective try to decode what actually happen. when the root cause doesnt seem matter anymore

morale is, slow down n dont ram a cow in kampung. right or wrong, u r done bro
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:38 PM)
No, im not accusing her anything.

She the one who change her statement, so I cant make any conclusive statement. Need more court proceeding to find out why she submit a different statement.
Yep. But from parts of the news and how ktards response, it obvious her case was absorbed to everyone own agenda.

Melei politician to get more supports from melei.

Caines politician to get more supports from caines.

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mana she change her statement ?? tarak kasi testimony ,.. thats not accusing without base ???
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remind me of old kampung advice,.. if u driving near kampung,.. don't accidently road killed their chicken or goat,.. u'll get mob justice,..
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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Apr 14 2022, 10:38 PM)
No, im not accusing her anything.

She the one who change her statement, so I cant make any conclusive statement. Need more court proceeding to find out why she submit a different statement.
Yep. But from parts of the news and how ktards response, it obvious her case was absorbed to everyone own agenda.

Melei politician to get more supports from melei.

Caines politician to get more supports from caines.

At the end, those bastard politician profits.
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Very true but if we intend to follow or even try to catch up in this case, we have to focus and be objective.


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QUOTE(cockyboy @ Apr 14 2022, 10:41 PM)
finally it comes to this.

the event of a gang of kids , not 1 or 2 but 30 of them hogging the road playing superman on bike at 3.20am , does not really matter anymore.

what the goal now is to find someone to blame for the deaths.

sad to say, she may not win. a long trial battle will break a person mentally and physically and finally, a slip of mouth will end it all.

now u have the ppl here n there, wannabe detective try to decode what actually happen. when the root cause doesnt seem matter anymore

morale is, slow down n dont ram a cow in kampung. right or wrong, u r done bro
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So is it wrong for me to play detective just to find out the truth of what actually happened ?
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So is it wrong for me to play detective just to find out the truth of what actually happened ?
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im just thinking out loud. sorry , pls dont mind me
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This must have been stupid advice from her orang kita lawyer
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TS should have been 1 of those better. Waste oxygen
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What is so surprising if other cars involved as well? Unless there is a video recording to prove otherwise
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 10:24 PM)
Some had written that the accident happened because it was a blind corner la, winding road la etc etc.

If that was the picture of the crime scene, that road looked pretty straight right ?
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Its a straight road. Already mention in the statement
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Fitnah jangan henti fitnah. Tipu jangan tak tipu. Please show the statement vs PDRM own statement below "in verbatim". Owaiii ... are you going to accuse PDRM as penipu ...

Keadaan jalan mendaki bukit menghadkan penglihatan & jalan gelap berselekoh Note: This is confirmed by the Royal Police of Malaysia itself (NOT by the accused).

[71] Selain itu, menurut keterangan SP36 di mahkamah, beliau memberi alasan kepada perbezaan had laju daripada 70km/jam kepada 50km/jam adalah kerana keadaan Jalan Lingkaran Dalam tersebut adalah jalan turun naik bukit dan berselekoh yang boleh menghalang pandangan pengguna jalan raya.
[72] Di sini mahkamah cenderung melihat faktor jalan yang turun naik bukit yang boleh menghalang pandangan pengguna jalan raya dalam konteks keadaan jalan raya tersebut. Sekiranya diteliti keterangan SP28, beliau menyatakan semasa pemeriksaan di kawasan kemalangan (site inspection) dijalankan beliau dan pasukan MIROS pada 20/2/2017 waktu tengahari, mereka mendapati geometri kawasan kemalangan tersebut ada melibatkan satu crest (puncak bukit) yang berkaitan dengan sight distance (jarak penglihatan) di mana crest tersebut adalah satu isu besar yang telah mengganggu sight distance pengguna jalan raya tersebut.
[73] Maka SP28 dan pasukan telah melakukan drive-thru pada waktu malam untuk mendapatkan gambaran yang lebih baik berkenaan isu crest yang berhubung kait dengan sight distance pemandu. Maka apabila mereka melakukan drive-thru mereka mendapati adanya obstruction (halangan) kepada jarak penglihatan pemandu ketika memandu sambil mendaki bukit tersebut. Pada ketika itu, pemandu gagal untuk melihat apakah yang berada di sebalik puncak bukit tersebut sampailah saat pemandu tiba di kawasan puncak bukit (more or less) barulah pemandu berupaya melihat apa yang ada di sebaliknya.
[74] Dalam hal ini, mahkamah merujuk rajah m/s 9 Laporan MIROS (P182). Berdasarkan rajah tersebut, jelas menunjukkan terdapat crest gradient yang mendaki 2.9 degree sebelum sampai ke puncak bukit. Rajah tersebut juga menunjukkan gradient ketika kereta tersebut menghampiri kawasan kemalangan dengan jarak penglihatan yang terbatas. Seterusnya mahkamah merujuk pada item 2. Driver sight distance was obstructed by the gradient slope di m/s 44 Laporan MIROS (P182) . Maka mahkamah ini mendapati bahawa keadaan jalan yang mendaki bukit jelas telah menghadkan jarak penglihatan OKT untuk melihat kumpulan basikal lajak yang telah berada di sebalik bukit pada waktu jam 3 pagi. Lebih-lebih lagi menurut keterangan SP44 dan SP46 kawasan kemalangan tersebut terdapat pokok-pokok besar dan perkuburan islam di sebelah kiri jalan laluan A (P2) telah menyebabkan pencahayaan di kawasan tersebut malap walaupan tidak dinafikan terdapat bantuan pencahayaan daripada lampu tiang yang berada di tembok batu pembahagi jalan (P2)
[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:
SP44
S : Munasabah tak kalau saya nak gunakan istilah kumpulan basikal tu saya nak pakai perkataan ‘geng basikal lajak’. Munasabah tak? J : Munasabah.
S : Sebab itu lah aktiviti yang mereka buat kan? J : Ya,
betul. S : Jadi saya katakan mereka memang pilih kawasan tersebut kerana kawasan tersebut sunyi dan menyeramkan sebab kawasan kubur? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi bila kawasan tu kawasan kubur pukul 2 pagi, lagi lah tidak ada kenderaan nak lalu kawasan tu? J : Ya, tempat tu memang sunyi.
S : Jadi selain sunyi kawasan tu juga saya katakan dia terlindung daripada pandangan orang lalulintas? J : Ya, betul.
S : Kawasan tu terlindung daripada orang lalulintas? J : Ya.
S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.
PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.
S : Jadi maknanya munasabah tak kalau Lans/ Koperal Taufik bila dia kata tempat tu malap dan gelap kerana yang terang adalah lampu yang menyala di atas ni dalam gambar tu P 199 tadi, Inspektor ada cakap lorong kanan terang, lorong tengah terang. Kalau tengok gambar tu nampak terang. Tapi soalan saya, bila lampu yang Lans/ Koperal nampak malap di A3 ni jadi kawasan ni tak terang? J : Setuju.


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TS should have been 1 of those better. Waste oxygen
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What is so surprising if other cars involved as well? Unless there is a video recording to prove otherwise
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QUOTE(ykj @ Apr 14 2022, 11:12 PM)
What is so surprising if other cars involved as well? Unless there is a video recording to prove otherwise
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 11:14 PM)
Fitnah jangan henti fitnah.  Tipu jangan tak tipu. Please show the statement vs PDRM own statement below "in verbatim".  Owaiii ... are you going to accuse PDRM as penipu ...

Keadaan jalan mendaki bukit menghadkan penglihatan & jalan gelap berselekoh   Note:  This is confirmed by the Royal Police of Malaysia itself (NOT by the accused).

[71] Selain itu, menurut keterangan SP36 di mahkamah, beliau memberi alasan kepada perbezaan had laju daripada 70km/jam kepada 50km/jam adalah kerana keadaan Jalan Lingkaran Dalam tersebut adalah jalan turun naik bukit dan berselekoh yang boleh menghalang pandangan pengguna jalan raya.
[72] Di sini mahkamah cenderung melihat faktor jalan yang turun naik bukit yang boleh menghalang pandangan pengguna jalan raya dalam konteks keadaan jalan raya tersebut. Sekiranya diteliti keterangan SP28, beliau menyatakan semasa pemeriksaan di kawasan kemalangan (site inspection) dijalankan beliau dan pasukan MIROS pada 20/2/2017 waktu tengahari, mereka mendapati geometri kawasan kemalangan tersebut ada melibatkan satu crest (puncak bukit) yang berkaitan dengan sight distance (jarak penglihatan) di mana crest tersebut adalah satu isu besar yang telah mengganggu sight distance pengguna jalan raya tersebut.
[73] Maka SP28 dan pasukan telah melakukan drive-thru pada waktu malam untuk mendapatkan gambaran yang lebih baik berkenaan isu crest yang berhubung kait dengan sight distance pemandu. Maka apabila mereka melakukan drive-thru mereka mendapati adanya obstruction (halangan) kepada jarak penglihatan pemandu ketika memandu sambil mendaki bukit tersebut. Pada ketika itu, pemandu gagal untuk melihat apakah yang berada di sebalik puncak bukit tersebut sampailah saat pemandu tiba di kawasan puncak bukit (more or less) barulah pemandu berupaya melihat apa yang ada di sebaliknya.
[74] Dalam hal ini, mahkamah merujuk rajah m/s 9 Laporan MIROS (P182). Berdasarkan rajah tersebut, jelas menunjukkan terdapat crest gradient yang mendaki 2.9 degree sebelum sampai ke puncak bukit. Rajah tersebut juga menunjukkan gradient ketika kereta tersebut menghampiri kawasan kemalangan dengan jarak penglihatan yang terbatas. Seterusnya mahkamah merujuk pada item 2. Driver sight distance was obstructed by the gradient slope di m/s 44 Laporan MIROS (P182) . Maka mahkamah ini mendapati bahawa keadaan jalan yang mendaki bukit jelas telah menghadkan jarak penglihatan OKT untuk melihat kumpulan basikal lajak yang telah berada di sebalik bukit pada waktu jam 3 pagi. Lebih-lebih lagi menurut keterangan SP44 dan SP46 kawasan kemalangan tersebut terdapat pokok-pokok besar dan perkuburan islam di sebelah kiri jalan laluan A (P2) telah menyebabkan pencahayaan di kawasan tersebut malap walaupan tidak dinafikan terdapat bantuan pencahayaan daripada lampu tiang yang berada di tembok batu pembahagi jalan (P2)
[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:
SP44
S : Munasabah tak kalau saya nak gunakan istilah kumpulan basikal tu saya nak pakai perkataan ‘geng basikal lajak’. Munasabah tak?  J : Munasabah.
S : Sebab itu lah aktiviti yang mereka buat kan? J : Ya,
betul. S : Jadi saya katakan mereka memang pilih kawasan tersebut kerana kawasan tersebut sunyi dan menyeramkan sebab kawasan kubur? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi bila kawasan tu kawasan kubur pukul 2 pagi, lagi lah tidak ada kenderaan nak lalu kawasan tu? J : Ya, tempat tu memang sunyi.
S : Jadi selain sunyi kawasan tu juga saya katakan dia terlindung daripada pandangan orang lalulintas? J : Ya, betul.
S : Kawasan tu terlindung daripada orang lalulintas? J : Ya.
S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.
PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.
S : Jadi maknanya munasabah tak kalau Lans/ Koperal Taufik bila dia kata tempat tu malap dan gelap kerana yang terang adalah lampu yang menyala di atas ni dalam gambar tu P 199 tadi, Inspektor ada cakap lorong kanan terang, lorong tengah terang. Kalau tengok gambar tu nampak terang. Tapi soalan saya, bila lampu yang Lans/ Koperal nampak malap di A3 ni jadi kawasan ni tak terang? J : Setuju.

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Patut she wipe off all the 30 scum in one hit
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You cant breed is it?
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Patut she wipe off all the 30 scum in one hit
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Its a straight road. Already mention in the statement
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 11:14 PM)
Fitnah jangan henti fitnah.  Tipu jangan tak tipu. Please show the statement vs PDRM own statement below "in verbatim".  Owaiii ... are you going to accuse PDRM as penipu ...

Keadaan jalan mendaki bukit menghadkan penglihatan & jalan gelap berselekoh   Note:  This is confirmed by the Royal Police of Malaysia itself (NOT by the accused).

[71] Selain itu, menurut keterangan SP36 di mahkamah, beliau memberi alasan kepada perbezaan had laju daripada 70km/jam kepada 50km/jam adalah kerana keadaan Jalan Lingkaran Dalam tersebut adalah jalan turun naik bukit dan berselekoh yang boleh menghalang pandangan pengguna jalan raya.
[72] Di sini mahkamah cenderung melihat faktor jalan yang turun naik bukit yang boleh menghalang pandangan pengguna jalan raya dalam konteks keadaan jalan raya tersebut. Sekiranya diteliti keterangan SP28, beliau menyatakan semasa pemeriksaan di kawasan kemalangan (site inspection) dijalankan beliau dan pasukan MIROS pada 20/2/2017 waktu tengahari, mereka mendapati geometri kawasan kemalangan tersebut ada melibatkan satu crest (puncak bukit) yang berkaitan dengan sight distance (jarak penglihatan) di mana crest tersebut adalah satu isu besar yang telah mengganggu sight distance pengguna jalan raya tersebut.
[73] Maka SP28 dan pasukan telah melakukan drive-thru pada waktu malam untuk mendapatkan gambaran yang lebih baik berkenaan isu crest yang berhubung kait dengan sight distance pemandu. Maka apabila mereka melakukan drive-thru mereka mendapati adanya obstruction (halangan) kepada jarak penglihatan pemandu ketika memandu sambil mendaki bukit tersebut. Pada ketika itu, pemandu gagal untuk melihat apakah yang berada di sebalik puncak bukit tersebut sampailah saat pemandu tiba di kawasan puncak bukit (more or less) barulah pemandu berupaya melihat apa yang ada di sebaliknya.
[74] Dalam hal ini, mahkamah merujuk rajah m/s 9 Laporan MIROS (P182). Berdasarkan rajah tersebut, jelas menunjukkan terdapat crest gradient yang mendaki 2.9 degree sebelum sampai ke puncak bukit. Rajah tersebut juga menunjukkan gradient ketika kereta tersebut menghampiri kawasan kemalangan dengan jarak penglihatan yang terbatas. Seterusnya mahkamah merujuk pada item 2. Driver sight distance was obstructed by the gradient slope di m/s 44 Laporan MIROS (P182) . Maka mahkamah ini mendapati bahawa keadaan jalan yang mendaki bukit jelas telah menghadkan jarak penglihatan OKT untuk melihat kumpulan basikal lajak yang telah berada di sebalik bukit pada waktu jam 3 pagi. Lebih-lebih lagi menurut keterangan SP44 dan SP46 kawasan kemalangan tersebut terdapat pokok-pokok besar dan perkuburan islam di sebelah kiri jalan laluan A (P2) telah menyebabkan pencahayaan di kawasan tersebut malap walaupan tidak dinafikan terdapat bantuan pencahayaan daripada lampu tiang yang berada di tembok batu pembahagi jalan (P2)
[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:
SP44
S : Munasabah tak kalau saya nak gunakan istilah kumpulan basikal tu saya nak pakai perkataan ‘geng basikal lajak’. Munasabah tak?  J : Munasabah.
S : Sebab itu lah aktiviti yang mereka buat kan? J : Ya,
betul. S : Jadi saya katakan mereka memang pilih kawasan tersebut kerana kawasan tersebut sunyi dan menyeramkan sebab kawasan kubur? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi bila kawasan tu kawasan kubur pukul 2 pagi, lagi lah tidak ada kenderaan nak lalu kawasan tu? J : Ya, tempat tu memang sunyi.
S : Jadi selain sunyi kawasan tu juga saya katakan dia terlindung daripada pandangan orang lalulintas? J : Ya, betul.
S : Kawasan tu terlindung daripada orang lalulintas? J : Ya.
S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.
PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.
S : Jadi maknanya munasabah tak kalau Lans/ Koperal Taufik bila dia kata tempat tu malap dan gelap kerana yang terang adalah lampu yang menyala di atas ni dalam gambar tu P 199 tadi, Inspektor ada cakap lorong kanan terang, lorong tengah terang. Kalau tengok gambar tu nampak terang. Tapi soalan saya, bila lampu yang Lans/ Koperal nampak malap di A3 ni jadi kawasan ni tak terang? J : Setuju.

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 11:36 PM)
If she did that under those circumstances, I think the case can upgrade to murder d.
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Oo wanna wipe off all kids..
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 11:14 PM)
Fitnah jangan henti fitnah.  Tipu jangan tak tipu. Please show the statement vs PDRM own statement below "in verbatim".  Owaiii ... are you going to accuse PDRM as penipu ...

Keadaan jalan mendaki bukit menghadkan penglihatan & jalan gelap berselekoh   Note:  This is confirmed by the Royal Police of Malaysia itself (NOT by the accused).


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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Apr 14 2022, 11:39 PM)
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It's the grounds of judgment by the Magistrate


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QUOTE(derthvadar @ Apr 14 2022, 11:40 PM)
Totally worth it. No?

Less rempit scum lineage
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Wait a minute, so you think it is totally worth it to be charged with murder for intentionally killing 30 basikal lajak because less rempit scum lineage ?
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 11:14 PM)
Fitnah jangan henti fitnah.  Tipu jangan tak tipu. Please show the statement vs PDRM own statement below "in verbatim".  Owaiii ... are you going to accuse PDRM as penipu ...

Keadaan jalan mendaki bukit menghadkan penglihatan & jalan gelap berselekoh   Note:  This is confirmed by the Royal Police of Malaysia itself (NOT by the accused).

[71] Selain itu, menurut keterangan SP36 di mahkamah, beliau memberi alasan kepada perbezaan had laju daripada 70km/jam kepada 50km/jam adalah kerana keadaan Jalan Lingkaran Dalam tersebut adalah jalan turun naik bukit dan berselekoh yang boleh menghalang pandangan pengguna jalan raya.
[72] Di sini mahkamah cenderung melihat faktor jalan yang turun naik bukit yang boleh menghalang pandangan pengguna jalan raya dalam konteks keadaan jalan raya tersebut. Sekiranya diteliti keterangan SP28, beliau menyatakan semasa pemeriksaan di kawasan kemalangan (site inspection) dijalankan beliau dan pasukan MIROS pada 20/2/2017 waktu tengahari, mereka mendapati geometri kawasan kemalangan tersebut ada melibatkan satu crest (puncak bukit) yang berkaitan dengan sight distance (jarak penglihatan) di mana crest tersebut adalah satu isu besar yang telah mengganggu sight distance pengguna jalan raya tersebut.
[73] Maka SP28 dan pasukan telah melakukan drive-thru pada waktu malam untuk mendapatkan gambaran yang lebih baik berkenaan isu crest yang berhubung kait dengan sight distance pemandu. Maka apabila mereka melakukan drive-thru mereka mendapati adanya obstruction (halangan) kepada jarak penglihatan pemandu ketika memandu sambil mendaki bukit tersebut. Pada ketika itu, pemandu gagal untuk melihat apakah yang berada di sebalik puncak bukit tersebut sampailah saat pemandu tiba di kawasan puncak bukit (more or less) barulah pemandu berupaya melihat apa yang ada di sebaliknya.
[74] Dalam hal ini, mahkamah merujuk rajah m/s 9 Laporan MIROS (P182). Berdasarkan rajah tersebut, jelas menunjukkan terdapat crest gradient yang mendaki 2.9 degree sebelum sampai ke puncak bukit. Rajah tersebut juga menunjukkan gradient ketika kereta tersebut menghampiri kawasan kemalangan dengan jarak penglihatan yang terbatas. Seterusnya mahkamah merujuk pada item 2. Driver sight distance was obstructed by the gradient slope di m/s 44 Laporan MIROS (P182) . Maka mahkamah ini mendapati bahawa keadaan jalan yang mendaki bukit jelas telah menghadkan jarak penglihatan OKT untuk melihat kumpulan basikal lajak yang telah berada di sebalik bukit pada waktu jam 3 pagi. Lebih-lebih lagi menurut keterangan SP44 dan SP46 kawasan kemalangan tersebut terdapat pokok-pokok besar dan perkuburan islam di sebelah kiri jalan laluan A (P2) telah menyebabkan pencahayaan di kawasan tersebut malap walaupan tidak dinafikan terdapat bantuan pencahayaan daripada lampu tiang yang berada di tembok batu pembahagi jalan (P2)
[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:
SP44
S : Munasabah tak kalau saya nak gunakan istilah kumpulan basikal tu saya nak pakai perkataan ‘geng basikal lajak’. Munasabah tak?  J : Munasabah.
S : Sebab itu lah aktiviti yang mereka buat kan? J : Ya,
betul. S : Jadi saya katakan mereka memang pilih kawasan tersebut kerana kawasan tersebut sunyi dan menyeramkan sebab kawasan kubur? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi bila kawasan tu kawasan kubur pukul 2 pagi, lagi lah tidak ada kenderaan nak lalu kawasan tu? J : Ya, tempat tu memang sunyi.
S : Jadi selain sunyi kawasan tu juga saya katakan dia terlindung daripada pandangan orang lalulintas? J : Ya, betul.
S : Kawasan tu terlindung daripada orang lalulintas? J : Ya.
S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.
PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.
S : Jadi maknanya munasabah tak kalau Lans/ Koperal Taufik bila dia kata tempat tu malap dan gelap kerana yang terang adalah lampu yang menyala di atas ni dalam gambar tu P 199 tadi, Inspektor ada cakap lorong kanan terang, lorong tengah terang. Kalau tengok gambar tu nampak terang. Tapi soalan saya, bila lampu yang Lans/ Koperal nampak malap di A3 ni jadi kawasan ni tak terang? J : Setuju.

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very detailed, where do you get this?
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AFAIK that stretch of road is not purely straight.
From Stulang to Danga Bay.
There were darks in between due to road lights not operating, especially from Yahya Awal till GH Thistle route.
The roads are up and downs due to multiple exits like Jln Tebrau, Jln TAR, Yahya Awal, Kebun Teh / GH, lastly ended and joined to Jln Skudai aka Danga Bay.

Azbro locale there should know very well.

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 14 2022, 11:43 PM)
It's the grounds of judgment by the Magistrate
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QUOTE(kembayang @ Apr 14 2022, 11:52 PM)
AFAIK that stretch of road is not purely straight.
From Stulang to Danga Bay.
There were darks in between due to road lights not operating, especially from Yahya Awal till GH Thistle route.
The roads are up and downs due to multiple exits like Jln Tebrau, Jln TAR, Yahya Awal, Kebun Teh / GH, lastly ended and joined to Jln Skudai aka Danga Bay.

Azbro locale there should know very well.
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Well according to TS is straight......

We must believe TS..he won't fitnah as he just done his tawarikh
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QUOTE(kembayang @ Apr 14 2022, 11:52 PM)
AFAIK that stretch of road is not purely straight.
From Stulang to Danga Bay.
There were darks in between due to road lights not operating, especially from Yahya Awal till GH Thistle route.
The roads are up and downs due to multiple exits like Jln Tebrau, Jln TAR, Yahya Awal, Kebun Teh / GH, lastly ended and joined to Jln Skudai aka Danga Bay.

Azbro locale there should know very well.
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TQ for confirming the veracity of the court documents that it is extremely dark and pitch black with zero visibility etc. Now what I would really like to know is this, if it is dark and pitch black and cannot see the basikal lajak geng etc etc, how then could I see another vehicle slamming into the basikal lajak geng ?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 11:59 PM)
TQ for confirming the veracity of the court documents that it is extremely dark and pitch black with zero visibility etc. Now what I would really like to know is this, if it is dark and pitch black and cannot see the basikal lajak geng etc etc, how then could I see another vehicle slamming into the basikal lajak geng ?
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I have zero idea if there is possibility of 2nd vehicle involvement in this case.

I believe there were these lajak members who witnessed their peers being hit.
Perhaps they would be the best witnesses during that incident.
But did anyone of them point out about 2nd vehicle existence?

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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ Apr 14 2022, 10:44 PM)
remind me of old kampung advice,.. if u driving near kampung,.. don't accidently road killed their chicken or goat,.. u'll get mob justice,..
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 14 2022, 11:56 PM)
Well according to TS is straight......

We must believe TS..he won't fitnah as he just done his tawarikh
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Tq.
In my defence the incident area are straight line. You wanna say police photoshop the incident area?

From stualang to danga bay for sure got corner. U expect My got 100km straight line??


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QUOTE(kembayang @ Apr 15 2022, 12:05 AM)
I have zero idea if there is possibility of 2nd vehicle involvement in this case.

I believe there were these lajak members who witnessed their peers being hit.
Perhaps they would be the best witnesses during that incident.
But did anyone of them point out about 2nd vehicle existence?
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If there court documents on the testimonies from the lajak geng that would help too.

The existence of another vehicle slamming into the basikal lajak geng are in fact Ms Sam words, no ?

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morons like you mana boleh interpret information

you use narrative to derive outcome, like your brainless anti vaxx comments

stick to food delivery idiot

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 14 2022, 11:56 PM)
Well according to TS is straight......

We must believe TS..he won't fitnah as he just done his tawarikh
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TS: Road is straight!!! MIROS and mahkahmah fitnah!!!! Where got crest obstructing view? Who gives a shit they went inspection in day and night time. I cakap straight means straight.

QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 11:14 PM)
Fitnah jangan henti fitnah.  Tipu jangan tak tipu. Please show the statement vs PDRM own statement below "in verbatim".  Owaiii ... are you going to accuse PDRM as penipu ...

Keadaan jalan mendaki bukit menghadkan penglihatan & jalan gelap berselekoh   Note:  This is confirmed by the Royal Police of Malaysia itself (NOT by the accused).

[72] Di sini mahkamah cenderung melihat faktor jalan yang turun naik bukit yang boleh menghalang pandangan pengguna jalan raya dalam konteks keadaan jalan raya tersebut. Sekiranya diteliti keterangan SP28, beliau menyatakan semasa pemeriksaan di kawasan kemalangan (site inspection) dijalankan beliau dan pasukan MIROS pada 20/2/2017 waktu tengahari, mereka mendapati geometri kawasan kemalangan tersebut ada melibatkan satu crest (puncak bukit) yang berkaitan dengan sight distance (jarak penglihatan) di mana crest tersebut adalah satu isu besar yang telah mengganggu sight distance pengguna jalan raya tersebut.
[73] Maka SP28 dan pasukan telah melakukan drive-thru pada waktu malam untuk mendapatkan gambaran yang lebih baik berkenaan isu crest yang berhubung kait dengan sight distance pemandu. Maka apabila mereka melakukan drive-thru mereka mendapati adanya obstruction (halangan) kepada jarak penglihatan pemandu ketika memandu sambil mendaki bukit tersebut. Pada ketika itu, pemandu gagal untuk melihat apakah yang berada di sebalik puncak bukit tersebut sampailah saat pemandu tiba di kawasan puncak bukit (more or less) barulah pemandu berupaya melihat apa yang ada di sebaliknya.
[74] Dalam hal ini, mahkamah merujuk rajah m/s 9 Laporan MIROS (P182). Berdasarkan rajah tersebut, jelas menunjukkan terdapat crest gradient yang mendaki 2.9 degree sebelum sampai ke puncak bukit. Rajah tersebut juga menunjukkan gradient ketika kereta tersebut menghampiri kawasan kemalangan dengan jarak penglihatan yang terbatas. Seterusnya mahkamah merujuk pada item 2. Driver sight distance was obstructed by the gradient slope di m/s 44 Laporan MIROS (P182) .
Maka mahkamah ini mendapati bahawa keadaan jalan yang mendaki bukit jelas telah menghadkan jarak penglihatan OKT untuk melihat kumpulan basikal lajak yang telah berada di sebalik bukit pada waktu jam 3 pagi. Lebih-lebih lagi menurut keterangan SP44 dan SP46 kawasan kemalangan tersebut terdapat pokok-pokok besar dan perkuburan islam di sebelah kiri jalan laluan A (P2) telah menyebabkan pencahayaan di kawasan tersebut malap walaupan tidak dinafikan terdapat bantuan pencahayaan daripada lampu tiang yang berada di tembok batu pembahagi jalan (P2)

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 15 2022, 12:08 AM)
If there court documents on the testimonies from the lajak geng that would help too.

The existence of the vehicle slamming into the basikal lajak geng are in fact Ms Sam words, no ?
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Where can get this document?
Need to check is it reliable or what? From which court of order?

The 1st one or higher court?

Where the source?

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QUOTE(derthvadar @ Apr 14 2022, 11:40 PM)
Totally worth it. No?

Less rempit scum lineage
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:10 AM)
Where can get this document?
Need to check is it reliable or what? From which court of order?

The 1st one or higher court?

Where the source?
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Bro., I am the last person you should be asking for documents or anything about. Remember I just joined the investigation only. This case is like what 2016, 2017 ? I really do not know anything because I wasn't interested in this at the beginning as too many information were missing. Anything that I know is based from our 1st communication thereonwards only.

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Your racism is showing up clearly, man.
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Boleh rasis dengan bangsa sendiri ke ahki?
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Boleh rasis dengan bangsa sendiri ke ahki?
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Why not?
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 14 2022, 11:59 PM)
TQ for confirming the veracity of the court documents that it is extremely dark and pitch black with zero visibility etc. Now what I would really like to know is this, if it is dark and pitch black and cannot see the basikal lajak geng etc etc, how then could I see another vehicle slamming into the basikal lajak geng ?
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See below the findings by MIROS and Royal Police of Malaysia "in verbatim"

[53] Malah ia diburukkan lagi dengan ‘modifikasi bahaya’ basikal lajak yang membuang aspek keselamatan basikal yang asas seperti ketiadaan brek, ketiadaan lampu basikal dan pemegang tangan direndahkan sebaris tempat duduk. Tambahan itu tiada keterangan daripada mana-mana saksi pendakwaan yang menunjukkan kesemua simati dan geng basikal lajak tersebut mengambil tindakan proaktif dalam memastikan keselamatan terhadap diri sendiri semasa menunggang basikal seperti memakai vest keselamatan dan helmet basikal. Ini dapat dilihat jelas melalui keterangan SP28 disokong oleh Laporan MIROS (P182) yang disediakan oleh SP28 tersebut. Keterangan SP28 tersebut secara verbatim adalah seperti berikut:

SP28
S : Rujuk pula kepada muka surat 49 di nombor 4. ‘Bicycles were not equipped with reflector for night cycling and were heavily modified in unsafe manner’. So, bagaimana kesimpulan ini atau apakah maksud?
J : Ketika di IPD, pihak MIROS juga ada mengambil gambar basikal – basikal yang terlibat jadi daripada pemerhatian yang kita buat pada ketika itu memang basikal – basikal itu tak dilengkapi dengan pemantul cahaya lah. Sama ada di bahagian depan atau di belakang untuk tujuan pemandu lain boleh melihat. Jadi keadaan ini sangat merbahaya apatah lagi dalam keadaan malam. Dan berada di public road yang mungkin banyak melibatkan kenderaan. Dan juga kita dapati basikal – basikal itu bukan dalam keadaan asal, ia adalah telah mengalami satu pengubahsuaian yang sangat ketara dari setiap struktur basikal itu lah. Jadi termasuk yang kita dapati ada basikal – basikal yang memasang brek motorsikal, melekatkan brek motorsikal di roda hadapan. Mungkin untuk menambah kelajuan dan sebagainya. Jadi itu memang satu perkara yang tidak mengikut unsur – unsur keselamatan lah. Jadi itu yang diterangkan oleh bullet point tersebut.

...[82] Oleh yang demikian, memandangkan ujian titik lihat yang dibuat pasukan Forensik tersebut merupakan titik lihat pada kelajuan tertentu dengan kon, ia sebenarnya tidak membuktikan motorkar OKT boleh melihat kedudukan mangsa pertama di bucu keluar simpang rujukan silang kepada tandaan 1 rajah kasar tersebut. Hal ini demikian, ujian titik lihat tersebut dengan merujuk kepada gambar no. 121 hingga no.124 (P185) hanya membuktikan fakta bahawa motorkar OKT yang menaiki bukit tidak boleh nampak kedudukan mangsa pertama yang didakwa berada di tandaan 1 (bucu keluar simpang) di sebalik bukit.

[83] Malahan itu, laporan Forensik ini bertambah lemah ketepatannya apabila uji pandu untuk ujian titik lihat tersebut menggunakan sebuah Kon PDRM seperti dalam gambar no. 5 dan gambar no.6 (P185). Mahkamah berpendapat kon tersebut tidak sesuai digunakan untuk ujian tersebut disebabkan warnanya yang terang yang mempunyai ciri reflector dan menurut SP35 ada anggota polis yang berpakaian vest keselamatan berdiri di kawasan kon yang diletakkan. Ternyata ia memberi kelebihan penglihatan yang jelas kepada pemandu kenderaan untuk melihat kewujudan kon tersebut. Dalam apa jua keadaan sekalipun, tiada keterangan di mahkamah ini yang membuktikan mangsa pertama seperti yang digambarkan oleh pasukan Forensik ini menunggang basikal yang mempunyai lampu pantulan di bahagian belakang basikal mahupun mangsa pertama tersebut memakai baju berwarna cerah apatah lagi dilengkapi dengan vest kesalamatan penunggang basikal.

[84] Tambahan itu, mahkamah mendapati hampir kesemua simati memakai pakaian gelap merujuk kepada Laporan Postmortem P121, P137, P129, P176, P178, P180, P103 kecuali Laporan Postmortem P102 menunjukkan salah seorang simati hanya berseluar dalam. Maka ketepatan hasil ujian titik lihat yang dilakukan oleh pasukan Forensik PDRM tersebut adalah lemah dan diragui keberkesanannya.

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 10:24 PM)
Its a straight road. Already mention in the statement
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:10 AM)
Where can get this document?
Need to check is it reliable or what? From which court of order?


The 1st one or higher court?

Where the source?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:34 AM)
Share sos
Where this statement from? Higher court? Share full lah
.......
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Where is the statement ? Share or sos lah.

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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 12:20 AM)
See below the findings by MIROS and Royal Police of Malaysia "in verbatim"

[53] Malah ia diburukkan lagi dengan ‘modifikasi bahaya’ basikal lajak yang membuang aspek keselamatan basikal yang asas seperti ketiadaan brek, ketiadaan lampu basikal dan pemegang tangan direndahkan sebaris tempat duduk. Tambahan itu tiada keterangan daripada mana-mana saksi pendakwaan yang menunjukkan kesemua simati dan geng basikal lajak tersebut mengambil tindakan proaktif dalam memastikan keselamatan terhadap diri sendiri semasa menunggang basikal seperti memakai vest keselamatan dan helmet basikal. Ini dapat dilihat jelas melalui keterangan SP28 disokong oleh Laporan MIROS (P182) yang disediakan oleh SP28 tersebut. Keterangan SP28 tersebut secara verbatim adalah seperti berikut:

SP28
S : Rujuk pula kepada muka surat 49 di nombor 4. ‘Bicycles were not equipped with reflector for night cycling and were heavily modified in unsafe manner’. So, bagaimana kesimpulan ini atau apakah maksud?
J : Ketika di IPD, pihak MIROS juga ada mengambil gambar basikal – basikal yang terlibat jadi daripada pemerhatian yang kita buat pada ketika itu memang basikal – basikal itu tak dilengkapi dengan pemantul cahaya lah. Sama ada di bahagian depan atau di belakang untuk tujuan pemandu lain boleh melihat. Jadi keadaan ini sangat merbahaya apatah lagi dalam keadaan malam. Dan berada di public road yang mungkin banyak melibatkan kenderaan. Dan juga kita dapati basikal – basikal itu bukan dalam keadaan asal, ia adalah telah mengalami satu pengubahsuaian yang sangat ketara dari setiap struktur basikal itu lah. Jadi termasuk yang kita dapati ada basikal – basikal yang memasang brek motorsikal, melekatkan brek motorsikal di roda hadapan. Mungkin untuk menambah kelajuan dan sebagainya. Jadi itu memang satu perkara yang tidak mengikut unsur – unsur keselamatan lah. Jadi itu yang diterangkan oleh bullet point tersebut.

...[82] Oleh yang demikian, memandangkan ujian titik lihat yang dibuat pasukan Forensik tersebut merupakan titik lihat pada kelajuan tertentu dengan kon, ia sebenarnya tidak membuktikan motorkar OKT boleh melihat kedudukan mangsa pertama di bucu keluar simpang rujukan silang kepada tandaan 1 rajah kasar tersebut. Hal ini demikian, ujian titik lihat tersebut dengan merujuk kepada gambar no. 121 hingga no.124 (P185) hanya membuktikan fakta bahawa motorkar OKT yang menaiki bukit tidak boleh nampak kedudukan mangsa pertama yang didakwa berada di tandaan 1 (bucu keluar simpang) di sebalik bukit.

[83] Malahan itu, laporan Forensik ini bertambah lemah ketepatannya apabila uji pandu untuk ujian titik lihat tersebut menggunakan sebuah Kon PDRM seperti dalam gambar no. 5 dan gambar no.6 (P185). Mahkamah berpendapat kon tersebut tidak sesuai digunakan untuk ujian tersebut disebabkan warnanya yang terang yang mempunyai ciri reflector dan menurut SP35 ada anggota polis yang berpakaian vest keselamatan berdiri di kawasan kon yang diletakkan. Ternyata ia memberi kelebihan penglihatan yang jelas kepada pemandu kenderaan untuk melihat kewujudan kon tersebut. Dalam apa jua keadaan sekalipun, tiada keterangan di mahkamah ini yang membuktikan mangsa pertama seperti yang digambarkan oleh pasukan Forensik ini menunggang basikal yang mempunyai lampu pantulan di bahagian belakang basikal mahupun mangsa pertama tersebut memakai baju berwarna cerah apatah lagi dilengkapi dengan vest kesalamatan penunggang basikal.

[84] Tambahan itu, mahkamah mendapati hampir kesemua simati memakai pakaian gelap merujuk kepada Laporan Postmortem P121, P137, P129, P176, P178, P180, P103 kecuali Laporan Postmortem P102 menunjukkan salah seorang simati hanya berseluar dalam. Maka ketepatan hasil ujian titik lihat yang dilakukan oleh pasukan Forensik PDRM tersebut adalah lemah dan diragui keberkesanannya.
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Share sos
Where this statement from? Higher court? Share full lah
Wanna see her statement regarding “others” car hit the kids.

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:56 PM)
she said : other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles

so is not her car that hit the 8 kids?

how u want explain this ah  hmm.gif
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she went through all that shit just to tell that it wasn't her car. biggrin.gif

can smell bullshit from mile away.

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:34 AM)
Share sos
Where this statement from? Higher court? Share full lah
Wanna see her statement regarding “others” car hit the kids.
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high court belum give out alasan penghakiman yet. will be very interesting and heavily scrutinized....

you can find the above statements from the alasan penghakiman majistret case.
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 14 2022, 11:56 PM)
Well according to TS is straight......

We must believe TS..he won't fitnah as he just done his tawarikh
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LUL people like them really bring the country backward

doh.gif mega_shok.gif

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high court belum give out alasan penghakiman yet. will be very interesting and heavily scrutinized....

you can find the above statements from the alasan penghakiman majistret case.
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Soo 5 yrs back statement
Wow very reliable..

Wonder that sohai never share source, always keep cut /paste /bold statement
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This was recorded by another car before the accident


https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/j...f-teen-cyclists

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QUOTE(redic @ Apr 15 2022, 12:42 AM)
LUL people like them really bring the country backward

doh.gif  mega_shok.gif

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Mcm pandai sgt. More useless
Alway politics talk only

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 12:07 AM)
Famous pendidikan moral question last time. What should you do if accident in kampung. Can’t remember the correct solution liao.
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Answer: If you helang, call your lawyer. If you pipit, start praying.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:43 AM)
Soo 5 yrs back statement
Wow very reliable.. 

Wonder that sohai never share source, always keep cut /paste /bold statement
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not 5 years, 18/11/2019 was the alasan penghakiman for her second acquital

https://ejudgment.kehakiman.gov.my/ks_built...8241e9f10fb2be1


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here is the pdf for the alasan penghakiman from nov 2019

152. 83J-22-03/2017 PENDAKWARAYA : TPR- TUAN MUHAMMAD SYAFIQ BIN MOHD GHAZALI
TERTUDUH : SAM KE TING
(DIWAKILI PEGUAMBELA ENCIK FAIZAL BIN MOKHTAR)
TERTUDUH : SAM KE TING
(DIWAKILI PEGUAMBELA ENCIK FAIZAL BIN MOKHTAR)
PENDAKWARAYA : TPR- TUAN MUHAMMAD SYAFIQ BIN MOHD GHAZALI

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 12:49 AM)
not 5 years, 18/11/2019 was the alasan penghakiman for her second acquital

https://ejudgment.kehakiman.gov.my/ks_built...8241e9f10fb2be1
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2nd one.. since she still lepas
Only after that parent appeal

Then high court kene punish. So must be something diff during this time

But good enough, can compare later her statement

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:44 AM)
Mcm pandai sgt. More useless
Alway politics talk only
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why you angry?

terasa ke?

kesian , nak pujuk ke?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 03:18 PM)
I think like this one baru maruah takde
So shitty
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This I agree.

There’s too much accusations, racism and mud-slinging. Just accept and respect the court’s judgement. If you only accept and respect judgements that are favourable to you and your sentiment, you are no different than those you claim to be beneath you.

Benda macam ni bukan susah pun nak fikir.
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The car turtle cause public people overturn it after accident prolly to save those pinned by it.

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:43 AM)
Soo 5 yrs back statement
Wow very reliable.. 

Wonder that sohai never share source, always keep cut /paste /bold statement
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Owaiii ... scientific analysis by PDRM expert witness and "in verbatim" statements from PDRM from 5 years ago no longer reliable ??? Wow ... ini sohai tahap dewa.

The statements include cross examination of PDRM (under oath) and documented report by expert witness appointed PDRM. Are you accusing of PDRM as penipu now??

Sohai oh maha sohai. I have shared the sos in the first postlah. Jika buta janganlah menuduh sini sana. Here I bold for you.


QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:42 PM)
These is the judgement from the Sam Ke Ting case and the finding of facts by the Judge, PDRM and also Malaysian Institute of Road Safety Research (MIROS) as appointed by PDRM.    What u trying to spin here ???

DALAM MAHKAMAH MAJISTRET JOHOR BAHRU
DALAM NEGERI JOHOR DARUL TAKZIM
KES TANGKAP TRAFIK NO: 83J-22-03/2017
PENDAKWARAYA
LWN
SAM KE TING
ALASAN PENGHAKIMAN

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BTW where is your source that it is a straight road ?

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I think she sleepy that time since 3am

Wear seatbelt, dont drink but driving at 3am
Maybe mamai already

Lonely road.. didn’t expect anything then boom
All 30kids kene, 8 the unlucky one

Then come out with all this stories..

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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 12:57 AM)
The statements include cross examination of PDRM (under oath) and documented report by expert witness appointed PDRM.  Are you accusing of PDRM as penipu now??

Sohai oh maha sohai.  I have shared the sos in the first postlah. Jika buta janganlah menuduh sini sana.  Here I bold for you.
BTW where is your source that it is a straight road ?
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From the incident area photo
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 05:57 PM)
The statements include cross examination of PDRM (under oath) and documented report by expert witness appointed PDRM.  Are you accusing of PDRM as penipu now??

Sohai oh maha sohai.  I have shared the sos in the first postlah. Jika buta janganlah menuduh sini sana.  Here I bold for you.
BTW where is your source that it is a straight road ?
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Why are you still hung up on the magistrate court judgement? The high court judgement nullifies this right?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:59 AM)
I think she sleepy that time since 3am

Wear seatbelt, dont drink but driving at 3am
Maybe mamai already

Lonely road.. didn’t expect anything then boom
All 30kids kene, 8 the unlucky one

Then come out with all this stories..
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I also think you should use Bahasa Melayu as suggested by your penyu PM

jangan memalukan warga, bangsa dan negara.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 12:49 AM)
here is the pdf for the alasan penghakiman from nov 2019

152. 83J-22-03/2017 PENDAKWARAYA : TPR- TUAN MUHAMMAD SYAFIQ BIN MOHD GHAZALI
TERTUDUH : SAM KE TING
(DIWAKILI PEGUAMBELA ENCIK FAIZAL BIN MOKHTAR)
TERTUDUH : SAM KE TING
(DIWAKILI PEGUAMBELA ENCIK FAIZAL BIN MOKHTAR)
PENDAKWARAYA : TPR- TUAN MUHAMMAD SYAFIQ BIN MOHD GHAZALI
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This one no more usage. HC will override it. Biased people will not accept smtg that against their belief. If miros said 80km, u think troller like Desmond will accept ah? He will still troll it is unreliable. Whatever evidence also a Biased person will not accept.
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QUOTE(redic @ Apr 15 2022, 01:03 AM)
I also think you should use Bahasa Melayu as suggested by your penyu PM

jangan memalukan warga, bangsa dan negara.
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Why terasa ker?
I lap bahasa melayu.. sometime want to type in england

Cos most of people here tak understand. Penat to
Explain again and again
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 01:05 AM)
This one no more usage. HC will override it. Biased people will not accept smtg that against their belief. If miros said 80km, u think troller like Desmond will accept ah? He will still troll it is unreliable. Whatever evidence also a Biased person will not accept.
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It still contains all the facts as known at the scene of the crime back then. things like condition of the road, car damage extent, witness statements, police statements etc. the HC ruling will be heavily scrutinized to see what new evidence was there for them to overule the very detailed judgement by majistret Siti hajar.

interestingly:

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Manakala malalui keterangan saksi anggota polis MPV yang kedua paling awal sampai
di tempat kejadian selepas kemalangan berlaku iaitu SP39, menyatakan bahawa beliau telah
nampak dua orang bangsa Cina seorang lelaki dan seorang wanita
ketika beliau tiba di tempat
kejadian. Keterangan-keterangan ini menimbulkan beberapa persoalan iaitu berapakah orang
yang berada di dalam motorkar tersebut ketika kemalangan berlaku? Dan siapakah antara
mereka yang memandu motorkar tersebut ketika kemalangan berlaku? Seterusnya SP11
semasa pemeriksaan balas menyatakan beliau tidak nampak ada wanita cina ketika motorkar
diterbalikkan oleh orang awam dan beliau mengesahkan tiada bangsa lain selain bangsa
melayu yang berada di kawasan kereta diterbalikkan tersebut


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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 10:24 PM)
Its a straight road. Already mention in the statement
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:08 AM)
Tq. In my defence the incident area are straight line.  You wanna say police photoshop the incident area?
From stualang to danga bay for sure got corner. U expect My got 100km straight line??
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 01:00 AM)
From the incident area photo
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Apr 15 2022, 01:00 AM)
Why are you still hung up on the magistrate court judgement? The high court judgement nullifies this right?
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Why are you still hung up on the straight road ... spinning from statement to incident photo. So end of the day it is you mention yourself in your own statement based on incident photo that have been rejected by the court and agreed by PDRM.

Please read the judgement and the PDRM in verbatim confirmation.

Aiyoyo ... finding of facts by PDRM and MIROS will still need to be taken into consideration. High Court, Court of Appeal and Federal Court will not be able to disregard the expert witness report AND PDRM's own admissions unless there is proof of fake evidence (again expert witness here is appointed by PDRM).

Did High Court dispute any of the finding of facts by PDRM and its expert witness ... please share source?

High Court only emphasised that ""In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath ... The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case." High Court never call her penipu right ?


[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:
SP44
S : Munasabah tak kalau saya nak gunakan istilah kumpulan basikal tu saya nak pakai perkataan ‘geng basikal lajak’. Munasabah tak? J : Munasabah.
S : Sebab itu lah aktiviti yang mereka buat kan? J : Ya,
betul. S : Jadi saya katakan mereka memang pilih kawasan tersebut kerana kawasan tersebut sunyi dan menyeramkan sebab kawasan kubur? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi bila kawasan tu kawasan kubur pukul 2 pagi, lagi lah tidak ada kenderaan nak lalu kawasan tu? J : Ya, tempat tu memang sunyi.
S : Jadi selain sunyi kawasan tu juga saya katakan dia terlindung daripada pandangan orang lalulintas? J : Ya, betul.
S : Kawasan tu terlindung daripada orang lalulintas? J : Ya.
S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.
PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.


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It still contains all the facts as known at the scene of the crime back then. things like condition of the road, car damage extent, witness statements, police statements etc. the HC ruling will be heavily scrutinized to see what new evidence was there for them to overule the very detailed judgement by majistret Siti hajar.

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Why are you still hung up on the straight road ... spinning from statement to incident photo.  So end of the day it is you mention yourself in your own statement based on incident photo that have been rejected by the court and agreed by PDRM. 

Please read the judgement and the PDRM in verbatim confirmation.

Aiyoyo ... finding of facts by PDRM and MIROS will still need to be taken into consideration.  High Court, Court of Appeal and Federal Court will not be able to disregard the expert witness report AND PDRM's own admissions unless there is proof of fake evidence (again expert witness here is appointed by PDRM).

Did High Court dispute any of the finding of facts by PDRM and its expert witness ... please share source? 

High Court only emphasised that ""In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath ... The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."  High Court never call her penipu right ?
[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:
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S : Munasabah tak kalau saya nak gunakan istilah kumpulan basikal tu saya nak pakai perkataan ‘geng basikal lajak’. Munasabah tak?  J : Munasabah.
S : Sebab itu lah aktiviti yang mereka buat kan? J : Ya,
betul. S : Jadi saya katakan mereka memang pilih kawasan tersebut kerana kawasan tersebut sunyi dan menyeramkan sebab kawasan kubur? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi bila kawasan tu kawasan kubur pukul 2 pagi, lagi lah tidak ada kenderaan nak lalu kawasan tu? J : Ya, tempat tu memang sunyi.
S : Jadi selain sunyi kawasan tu juga saya katakan dia terlindung daripada pandangan orang lalulintas? J : Ya, betul.
S : Kawasan tu terlindung daripada orang lalulintas? J : Ya.
S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.
PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.
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You can quote from the magistrate court judgement all you want, but it still doesn’t change the fact that high court found the former judgement has erred.

Means has errors.

Means wrong.

Means the prosecution has proved beyond reasonable doubt that Sam Ke Ting is guilty.

Accept that fact. Then move on.

She can still appeal. Follow due process la.
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 01:05 AM)
This one no more usage. HC will override it. Biased people will not accept smtg that against their belief. If miros said 80km, u think troller like Desmond will accept ah? He will still troll it is unreliable. Whatever evidence also a Biased person will not accept.
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Did you take CLP (I believe this is your fav phrase)?

HC judgement does prevail over Magistrate but Court of Appeal will still weigh the facts established by PDRM and recorded by the magistrate. HC did not create new evidence but emphasized the OKT omitted to raise the same defence at magistrate level.

Finding of facts are rarely disturbed by the higher courts. Unless there is clear penipu or new irrefutable evidence ... Owaii you are accusing PDRM and its independent expert witness as [fill in the blanks]. PDRM as the enforcement expert and MIROS as the expert scientific witness would have to be both discredited.

BTW: DPP/ prosecutor did not challenge and instead ultimately agreed with PDRM and its expert witness findings at the magistrate level.

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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 01:28 AM)
Did you take CLP (I believe this is your fav phrase)? 

HC judgement does prevail over Magistrate but Court of Appeal will still weigh the facts established by PDRM and recorded by the magistrate.  HC did not create new evidence but emphasized the OKT omitted to raise the same defence at magistrate level.

Finding of facts are rarely disturbed by the higher courts.  Unless there is clear penipu or new irrefutable evidence ... Owaii you are accusing PDRM and its independent expert witness as [fill in the blanks].  PDRM as the enforcement expert and MIROS as the expert scientific witness would have to be both discredited.

BTW: DPP/ prosecutor did not challenge and instead ultimately agreed with PDRM and its expert witness findings at the magistrate level.
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Learn to comprehend. Your problem is not the evidence. Its biased problem. I can read it from ur heart. Even coa convict as well also desmond n you will not agree.

Btw you never read the official miros report. The real wordings inside no one knows. But the facts 8 died and you show ntg to rebut anything. You solely depend magistrate judgement and then u do ntg sure kantoi one.

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You can quote from the magistrate court judgement all you want, but it still doesn’t change the fact that high court found the former judgement has erred.

Means has errors.

Means wrong.

Means the prosecution has proved beyond reasonable doubt that Sam Ke Ting is guilty.

Accept that fact. Then move on.

She can still appeal. Follow due process la.
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Due process we all agree.

TS calling people penipu when coming up lies "Its a straight road. Already mention in the statement." "Tq. In my defence the incident area are straight line. You wanna say police photoshop the incident area?" ... cannot agree since these are not facts established by PDRM.





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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Apr 15 2022, 01:25 AM)
You can quote from the magistrate court judgement all you want, but it still doesn’t change the fact that high court found the former judgement has erred.

Means has errors.

Means wrong.

Means the prosecution has proved beyond reasonable doubt that Sam Ke Ting is guilty.

Accept that fact. Then move on.

She can still appeal. Follow due process la.
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When HC judgement came out, you definitely wont be seeing that ray to quote the HC judgement so rajin one and hence his biases is proven.

He will only support what he likes. Things or facts that against his belief he wont accept it. Tat is why biased people is dangerous people.
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:38 PM)
Due process we all agree.

TS calling people penipu when coming up lies "Its a straight road. Already mention in the statement." "Tq. In my defence the incident area are straight line.  You wanna say police photoshop the incident area?" ... cannot agree since these are not facts established by PDRM.
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Facts of the case, those are well documented. I’m not speaking on behalf of TS, but coming into this tered with that title, the first post by TS contains this:

“The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."

This was mentioned by high court in the judgement. This version of event raises doubt and might contribute to the judgement. Might be interpreted as lie, that I don’t know.
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:44 PM)
When HC judgement came out, you definitely wont be seeing that ray to quote the HC judgement so rajin one and hence his biases is proven.

He will only support what he likes. Things or facts that against his belief he wont accept it. Tat is why biased people is dangerous people.
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Yep. Biased people are dangerous.

Hence my “Illegal kasi roboh™️“ applies evenly to all. Baik rumah setinggan, surau, kuil hatta ladang durian.
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 01:44 AM)
When HC judgement came out, you definitely wont be seeing that ray to quote the HC judgement so rajin one and hence his biases is proven.

He will only support what he likes. Things or facts that against his belief he wont accept it. Tat is why biased people is dangerous people.
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Tadaaa. Please read and comprehend the two judgements and the basis of the rulings.


QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 12:56 AM)
Since many threads about the Sam case and many second, third hand reports, he said, she said, I include the definitive judgement ruling for the magistrate court level case which was on 18/11/2019
Will update with the high court alasan penghakiman when it is released...

https://ejudgment.kehakiman.gov.my/ks_built...8241e9f10fb2be1

152. 83J-22-03/2017 PENDAKWARAYA : TPR- TUAN MUHAMMAD SYAFIQ BIN MOHD GHAZALI
TERTUDUH : SAM KE TING
(DIWAKILI PEGUAMBELA ENCIK FAIZAL BIN MOKHTAR)
TERTUDUH : SAM KE TING
(DIWAKILI PEGUAMBELA ENCIK FAIZAL BIN MOKHTAR)
PENDAKWARAYA : TPR- TUAN MUHAMMAD SYAFIQ BIN MOHD GHAZALI
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The brief decision by hc

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lol so basically high court concluded she drove dangerously simply because she failed to drive EVEN MORE carefully than careful, and should have anticipated risks behind the slope in the HIGHWAY. Bagus bagus, great judgement  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Yep. Biased people are dangerous.

Hence my “Illegal kasi roboh™️“ applies evenly to all. Baik rumah setinggan, surau, kuil hatta ladang durian.
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The law can be abused or erred. But I guess it's never abused/ erred and can only be absolute, blind and unquestionably correct to you.



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Tadaaa.  Please read and comprehend the two judgements and the basis of the rulings.
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So item (d) says she changed her version of event, which might constitute a lie;

Item (e) says she should be more careful given the condition of the road. This is according to Seksyen 41(1) Akta Pengangkutan Jalan:

“Mana-mana orang yang memandu suatu kenderaan motor di jalan dengan melulu atau dengan kelajuan atau dengan cara yang, setelah mengambil perhatian tentang segala hal keadaan (termasuk jenis, keadaan dan saiz jalan, dan kesesakan lalu lintas yang dijangkakan yang ada atau mungkin ada di jalan itu) merbahaya kepada orang awam, menyebabkan kematian mana-mana orang, melakukan suatu kesalahan dan apabila disabitkan hendaklah dihukum penjara selama tempoh tidak kurang daripada dua tahun dan tidak lebih daripada sepuluh tahun dan denda tidak kurang daripada lima ribu ringgit dan tidak lebih daripada dua puluh ribu ringgit.”

The wording of that Act does put the onus of driving carefully according to road condition on her.

Again, she can still appeal.
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The law can be abused or erred. But I guess it's never abused/ erred and can only be absolute, blind and unquestionably correct to you.
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Then change the law, not reject the legal system.

If you don’t like the legal system here, other countries are there for you.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Apr 15 2022, 02:06 AM)
So item (d) says she changed her version of event, which might constitute a lie;

Item (e) says she should be more careful given the condition of the road. This is according to Seksyen 41(1) Akta Pengangkutan Jalan:

“Mana-mana orang yang memandu suatu kenderaan motor di jalan dengan melulu atau dengan kelajuan atau dengan cara yang, setelah mengambil perhatian tentang segala hal keadaan (termasuk jenis, keadaan dan saiz jalan, dan kesesakan lalu lintas yang dijangkakan yang ada atau mungkin ada di jalan itu) merbahaya kepada orang awam, menyebabkan kematian mana-mana orang, melakukan suatu kesalahan dan apabila disabitkan hendaklah dihukum penjara selama tempoh tidak kurang daripada dua tahun dan tidak lebih daripada sepuluh tahun dan denda tidak kurang daripada lima ribu ringgit dan tidak lebih daripada dua puluh ribu ringgit.”

The wording of that Act does put the onus of driving carefully according to road condition on her.

Again, she can still appeal.
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Thank you. You hit the nail on its head. Interestingly the High Court did not dispute the PDRM statements, PDRM expert witness findings etc. The magistrate went through in detail each of the following points based on the PDRM investigation, PDRM expert witness, car manufacturer's expert witness, the surviving victim statements etc,

"kelajuan atau dengan cara yang, setelah mengambil perhatian tentang segala hal keadaan (termasuk jenis, keadaan dan saiz jalan, dan kesesakan lalu lintas yang dijangkakan yang ada atau mungkin ada di jalan itu) merbahaya kepada orang awam, menyebabkan kematian mana-mana orang,"

The detailed facts established by PDRM's expert witness and confirmed by the Magistrate can be compared against the High Court decision of merely stating "she should be more careful given the condition of the road". Perhaps we can agree that this would be relevant at the Court of Appeal.

The charge is reckless driving not reckless omission of raising the same defence at magistrate's level.

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Thank you.  You hit the nail on its head.  Interestingly the High Court did not dispute the PDRM statements, PDRM expert witness findings etc.

The detailed facts established by PDRM's expert witness and confirmed by the Magistrate versus the High Court decision of merely stating "she should be more careful given the condition of the road". 

The charge is reckless driving not reckless omission of raising the same defence at magistrate's level.
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And yet here we are. Seksyen 41(1) is worded in such a way so that, to put simply, a car cannot be used as a weapon. Because imagine if a car crashes into a group of diners in the middle of road because a restaurant set up tables there, the driver is still at fault, not diners.

It seems unfair, I know. Hence appeal process exists. However, item (d) might reduce her credibility somewhat.
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30 kids bro.. 8 died
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And yet here we are. Seksyen 41(1) is worded in such a way so that, to put simply, a car cannot be used as a weapon. Because imagine if a car crashes into a group of diners in the middle of road because a restaurant set up tables there, the driver is still at fault, not diners.

It seems unfair, I know. Hence appeal process exists. However, item (d) might reduce her credibility somewhat.
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Please remind me who was charged in the latest old klang road accident where diners were injured. The Lexus driver that crashed into the diners or the Honda that rear-end the Lexus at high speed.
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Please remind me who was charged in the latest old klang road accident where diners were injured.  The Lexus driver that crashed into the diners or the Honda that rear-end the Lexus at high speed.
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Dunno. You bring it up, so post the article here.
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so the car overturned by mobs,.. not b'cos of the accident ??..
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Mahkamah mengambil maklum bahawa kedudukan terakhir motorkar adalah di
bahagian paling kiri (tepi kiri) jalan A-A1 rujukan silang kepada tandaan E Rajah Kasar Polis
(P2) dan motorkar tersebut adalah dalam keadaan terbalik selepas ianya diterbalikkan oleh
orang awam.

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SP44 menyatakan motorkar tersebut telah diterbalikkan oleh orang awam kerana terdapat satu
mayat di bawah kereta. Makluman ini beliau dapat daripada orang awam ketika mereka
berada di lokasi kemalagan. SP44 turut mengakui melakukan siasatan berkenaan pekara ini
berpandukan juga kepada satu gambar viral di internet yang menunjukkan terdapat satu mayat
berada di bahagian tayar hadapan motorkar tersebut.


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Then change the law, not reject the legal system.

If you don’t like the legal system here, other countries are there for you.
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lol of course, the legal system can never erred or abused. Nobody says reject the legal system, but I think only you blindly absolutely insist the legal system is unquestionably right all the time. High court says she guilty? Then she can only absolutely be guilty. Nothing fishy or questionable at all. All the facts established in previous judgements are irrelevant, she guilty means guilty lah! amisayinitrite biggrin.gif

Oh interesting, lu tak suka lu keluar kad also out just because people question how the law is applied? lol macam umno member liddat... or is it komunis ccp? laugh.gif
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lol of course, the legal system can never erred or abused. Nobody says reject the legal system, but I think only you blindly absolutely insist the legal system is unquestionably right all the time. High court says she guilty? Then she can only absolutely be guilty. Nothing fishy or questionable at all. All the facts established in previous judgements are irrelevant, she guilty means guilty lah! amisayinitrite  biggrin.gif

Oh interesting, lu tak suka lu keluar kad also out just because people question how the law is applied? lol macam umno member liddat... or is it komunis ccp?  laugh.gif
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She can always appeal. No big deal. That’s what due process is for.

But if you do reject the legal system here, why are you here again?
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And yet here we are. Seksyen 41(1) is worded in such a way so that, to put simply, a car cannot be used as a weapon. Because imagine if a car crashes into a group of diners in the middle of road because a restaurant set up tables there, the driver is still at fault, not diners.

It seems unfair, I know. Hence appeal process exists. However, item (d) might reduce her credibility somewhat.
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Mar 21 2022, 07:46 PM)
Another angle. Lexus cutout to middle lane but still going slow with signal, HRV is just too fast


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Lucky this one has CCTV. I do agree a dashcam would have made things clearer for the accused Sam Ke Ting.


https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...ng-road/2048562

KUALA LUMPUR, March 21 — The police have arrested the driver of a car that crashed into an outdoor dining area of a restaurant at Jalan Klang Lama here late yesterday.

Kuala Lumpur Traffic Investigation and Enforcement Department head ACP Sarifudin Mohd Salleh said the 57-year-old man, believed to be drink-driving, was arrested at the scene this morning.

He said the man, who was driving a Honda HRV car, was heading towards the city centre from Petaling Jaya when he lost control of the wheel, causing the vehicle to crash into a Lexus vehicle which was parked by the roadside.


“The impact caused the Lexus vehicle to move forward and rammed into a Perodua Axia car that was parked in front of the restaurant, which then crashed into two pedestrians nearby and customers at the outdoor dining area of the restaurant,” he said in a statement today.
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She can always appeal. No big deal. That’s what due process is for.

But if you do reject the legal system here, why are you here again?
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Did I say reject the legal system here? Question also cannot? You ccp member or what? Our legal system can and must only be absolute, blind and unquestionably correct and never subjected to abuse or error?
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:37 PM)
Lucky this one has CCTV.  I do agree a dashcam would have made things clearer for the accused Sam Ke Ting.
https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...ng-road/2048562

KUALA LUMPUR, March 21 — The police have arrested the driver of a car that crashed into an outdoor dining area of a restaurant at Jalan Klang Lama here late yesterday.

Kuala Lumpur Traffic Investigation and Enforcement Department head ACP Sarifudin Mohd Salleh said the 57-year-old man, believed to be drink-driving, was arrested at the scene this morning.

He said the man, who was driving a Honda HRV car, was heading towards the city centre from Petaling Jaya when he lost control of the wheel, causing the vehicle to crash into a Lexus vehicle which was parked by the roadside.
“The impact caused the Lexus vehicle to move forward and rammed into a Perodua Axia car that was parked in front of the restaurant, which then crashed into two pedestrians nearby and customers at the outdoor dining area of the restaurant,” he said in a statement today.
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In this case, the drunk HRV driver caused another car to crash into the diners. A parked car nonetheless.

Sam Ke Ting was not caused by external factors to crash into the kids was she? Or was she in a parked car?

This is not comparable la. But it remains true that cars that are causing death will always be subject to 41(1). It’s just that the defense has to prove reasonable doubt, that all manners of precaution have been taken to prevent death.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Apr 14 2022, 07:41 PM)
Did I say reject the legal system here? Question also cannot? You ccp member or what? Our legal system can and must only be absolute, blind and unquestionably correct and never subjected to abuse or error?
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The issue is most people here question things when the legal judgement doesn’t go their way. Even when confronted with facts.

We see these things again and again here. The best remedy would be to leave. Maybe there are places out there that would cater to your every whim.

It’s just a suggestion. Suggest also cannot ah?
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Apr 15 2022, 02:44 AM)
In this case, the drunk HRV driver caused another car to crash into the diners. A parked car nonetheless.

Sam Ke Ting was not caused by external factors to crash into the kids was she? Or was she in a parked car?

This is not comparable la. But it remains true that cars that are causing death will always be subject to 41(1). It’s just that the defense has to prove reasonable doubt, that all manners of precaution have been taken to prevent death.
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Watch the video again. Lexus was NOT parked stationary and was moving. Following the High Court argument, Lexus would potentially be considered reckless as it moved to the second lane without taking extra care.

In other words Lexus failed to drive EVEN MORE carefully than careful, and should have anticipated risks coming from behind since it is a 3 lane freeway.
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 14 2022, 07:54 PM)
Watch the video again.  Lexus was NOT parked stationary and was moving.  Following the High Court argument, Lexus would potentially be considered reckless as it moved to the second lane without taking extra care.

In other words Lexus failed to drive EVEN MORE carefully than careful, and should have anticipated risks coming from behind since it is a 3 lane freeway.
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But still, there’s an external factor here. “Another car causing…”

As for what the court will decide, that’s really not up to me. But looking at the cctv recording, it seems that all those cars are illegally parked too. Not sure those stalls are legal or not as well.

If it’s up to me, illegal kasi roboh.
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QUOTE(KineticKill @ Apr 15 2022, 02:50 AM)
The issue is most people here question things when the legal judgement doesn’t go their way. Even when confronted with facts.

We see these things again and again here. The best remedy would be to leave. Maybe there are places out there that would cater to your every whim.

It’s just a suggestion. Suggest also cannot ah?
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Of course cannot. You are just biased pretending to be not so stop deluding yourself. The issue is to you, the legal system can and must only be absolute, blind and unquestionably correct and no possibility of being subjected to abuse or error. And anyone who questions it means they are biased and should leave, nothing about about questioning the judgement because it is questionable. Even when the judgement looked like going against established facts in the previous judgements.

https://www.facebook.com/thesiakapkeli/post...754249224598051

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1147370999107429

Surprisingly majority of people in these sites also questions the judgement. Come come, please tell these people to leave also whistling.gif
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 01:15 AM)
It still contains all the facts as known at the scene of the crime back then. things like condition of the road, car damage extent, witness statements, police statements etc. the HC ruling will be heavily scrutinized to see what new evidence was there for them to overule the very detailed judgement by majistret Siti hajar.

interestingly:
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Whoa whoa this is not only interesting but damn interesting. Surely there is more to it, than meets the eye. Somebody better start talking.
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QUOTE(rd33 @ Apr 14 2022, 08:33 PM)
She spinning up many story now to defend herself or her lawyer just really noob. This kind of move make her more untrusworthy. Last minute parachute to save ass. If she just admit at first place and look remorse she could get away with very light sentence.

Also did she ever apologize to the parents of deceased kids? If never apologize then I guess no remose. If I am in her shoes, eventho I accidently killed someone on the road, not coz my fault, I would still apologize to the deceased family. You can be right by law, but you can always show emphaty as well.

After taking 8 lives and never show any remorse is just super strong will or no eff given?
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In an accident, you should never say sorry or apologize.

If you do, game over already.

Imagine if the lajak family say sorry to her. Automatic admit bersalah.
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QUOTE(azbro @ Apr 15 2022, 06:26 AM)
In an accident, you should never say sorry or apologize.

If you do, game over already.

Imagine if the lajak family say sorry to her. Automatic admit bersalah.
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Yep, definitely don't apologize. Suicide. Especially when dealing with emotionally charged unreasonable community with a Feudal plotektionist mindset (Bersatu Youth Said, not I said).
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QUOTE(azbro @ Apr 15 2022, 06:26 AM)
In an accident, you should never say sorry or apologize.

If you do, game over already.

Imagine if the lajak family say sorry to her. Automatic admit bersalah.
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Even though i killed all the children? Still no apologises?
After 5 yrs also

What kind of sohai is that
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So continue.
Last time lepas since no prima facie case.
No need to bela diri




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This time got prima facie then she has to bela diri.
That why all the diff story come out


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During her defence she seem alter the story. So the journalist quote her new statement





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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 07:42 AM)
Even though i killed all the children? Still no apologises?
After 5 yrs also

What kind of sohai is that
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Semi serious one

Hypothetically you plow into scooter kids you will apologise too?

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Can say she like to pusing story, this also diff with her 1st police report.

Whiche he crash than sapu all kids. But later give diff statement to court




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QUOTE(9m2w @ Apr 15 2022, 07:46 AM)
Semi serious one

Hypothetically you plow into scooter kids you will apologise too?
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If I accidentally kill people, i still will apologise either im right or wrong, since im human

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Following this report,
Its more possible to sweep all 30kids in one shot


Rather drive carefully under 50kmh


She panic and mistakenly hit the pedal rather than brake

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 15 2022, 06:07 AM)
Whoa whoa this is not only interesting but damn interesting. Surely there is more to it, than meets the eye. Somebody better start talking.
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Check the police report
Lagi diff story
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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lol, they say is bomba turtle up the car to save the kids....
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QUOTE(ZzZzz... @ Apr 15 2022, 08:06 AM)
lol, they say is bomba turtle up the car to save the kids....
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QUOTE(FreedomSeeker @ Apr 14 2022, 08:28 PM)
she did not say she didn't hit the sohai neraka bound kids. She say there are other car hit the sohai kids also... it still didn't change the fact she hit the kids.
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Read the statement again, she said she didn't see the cyclists

So never see cyclists but she bang them?

Come on la. M4A1 ppl really got tunnel vision on this case, only want to see the narrative they want to believe as true
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 07:49 AM)
Following this report,
Its more possible to sweep all 30kids in one shot
Rather drive carefully under 50kmh
She panic and mistakenly hit the pedal rather than brake
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So in her police report the car is over turn in the collision itself???

Why suddenly in court case say is done by bystanders??
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 08:02 AM)
Check the police report
Lagi diff story
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Yes you are right there are a lot of contradictions, now that I realized I was supposed to click on the report to see a clearer version. 😊

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 07:49 AM)
Following this report,
Its more possible to sweep all 30kids in one shot
Rather drive carefully under 50kmh
She panic and mistakenly hit the pedal rather than brake
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i would panic too if i am drving on a highway and suddenly a pack of wild animals appeared on the road late at night!
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 08:20 AM)
So in her police report the car is over turn in the collision itself???

Why suddenly in court case say is done by bystanders??
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Too many un-tally stories.
Maybe terbalik on diff side..


The car already terbalik at one side then people turtle it to save some kids.. or mmg no one touch at all..


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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 15 2022, 08:28 AM)
i would panic too if i am drving on a highway and suddenly a pack of wild animals appeared on the road late at night!
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U everything also panic.
No wonder never yolo in outskirt
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 08:29 AM)
U everything also panic.
No wonder never yolo in outskirt
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Yeah. especially since i dont expect something like animals moving in a pack on a HIGHWAY!

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QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 08:20 AM)
So in her police report the car is over turn in the collision itself???

Why suddenly in court case say is done by bystanders??
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As per the injured statements "Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian."


[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku. Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian. Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan.

[134] Mahkamah mendapati kerosakan motorkar adalah tertumpu sebahagian besarnya kepada badan hadapan motorkar tersebut dan bukannya pada kerangka chasis utama (main chasis). Ini jelas memberi indikasi motorkar tersebut tidak dipandu laju semasa kemalangan berlaku tetapi rempuhan telah berlaku antara motorkar tersebut dengan sekumpulan basikal yang banyak. Rempuhan yang kuat antara motorkar dengan bilangan basikal yang banyak telah berlaku namun ia tidak disumbangkan oleh faktor kelajuan motorkar tersebut.

[135] Menurut keterangan SP24 semasa pemeriksaan balas, mengakui bahawa segala kerosakan motorkar tersebut boleh dibaiki mengikut kaedah-kaedah pembaikan dan motorkar tersebut juga boleh digunakan semula apabila selesai dibaiki. Pendapat SP24 ini juga selaras dengan rumusan Laporan Puspakom yang beliau sediakan di m/s 4 laporan tersebut. Seterusnya mahkamah berpendapat keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut adalah satu keadaan yang sangat berbeza dengan apa yang dirumuskan oleh SP24.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 07:49 AM)
Following this report,
Its more possible to sweep all 30kids in one shot
Rather drive carefully under 50kmh
She panic and mistakenly hit the pedal rather than brake
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oh nice finding~ would love to see the transcription of the chief examination between the prosecution and the police who wrote the report and investigation officer.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 08:15 AM)
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penipu ni, kau ni tak puasa kah? fiftnah masa puasa tak berdosa?

[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:
SP44
S : Munasabah tak kalau saya nak gunakan istilah kumpulan basikal tu saya nak pakai perkataan ‘geng basikal lajak’. Munasabah tak? J : Munasabah.
S : Sebab itu lah aktiviti yang mereka buat kan? J : Ya,
betul. S : Jadi saya katakan mereka memang pilih kawasan tersebut kerana kawasan tersebut sunyi dan menyeramkan sebab kawasan kubur? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi bila kawasan tu kawasan kubur pukul 2 pagi, lagi lah tidak ada kenderaan nak lalu kawasan tu? J : Ya, tempat tu memang sunyi.
S : Jadi selain sunyi kawasan tu juga saya katakan dia terlindung daripada pandangan orang lalulintas? J : Ya, betul.
S : Kawasan tu terlindung daripada orang lalulintas? J : Ya.
S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.
PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.

[53] Malah ia diburukkan lagi dengan ‘modifikasi bahaya’ basikal lajak yang membuang aspek keselamatan basikal yang asas seperti ketiadaan brek, ketiadaan lampu basikal dan pemegang tangan direndahkan sebaris tempat duduk. Tambahan itu tiada keterangan daripada mana-mana saksi pendakwaan yang menunjukkan kesemua simati dan geng basikal lajak tersebut mengambil tindakan proaktif dalam memastikan keselamatan terhadap diri sendiri semasa menunggang basikal seperti memakai vest keselamatan dan helmet basikal. Ini dapat dilihat jelas melalui keterangan SP28 disokong oleh Laporan MIROS (P182) yang disediakan oleh SP28 tersebut. Keterangan SP28 tersebut secara verbatim adalah seperti berikut:

SP28
S : Rujuk pula kepada muka surat 49 di nombor 4. ‘Bicycles were not equipped with reflector for night cycling and were heavily modified in unsafe manner’. So, bagaimana kesimpulan ini atau apakah maksud?
J : Ketika di IPD, pihak MIROS juga ada mengambil gambar basikal – basikal yang terlibat jadi daripada pemerhatian yang kita buat pada ketika itu memang basikal – basikal itu tak dilengkapi dengan pemantul cahaya lah. Sama ada di bahagian depan atau di belakang untuk tujuan pemandu lain boleh melihat. Jadi keadaan ini sangat merbahaya apatah lagi dalam keadaan malam. Dan berada di public road yang mungkin banyak melibatkan kenderaan. Dan juga kita dapati basikal – basikal itu bukan dalam keadaan asal, ia adalah telah mengalami satu pengubahsuaian yang sangat ketara dari setiap struktur basikal itu lah. Jadi termasuk yang kita dapati ada basikal – basikal yang memasang brek motorsikal, melekatkan brek motorsikal di roda hadapan. Mungkin untuk menambah kelajuan dan sebagainya. Jadi itu memang satu perkara yang tidak mengikut unsur – unsur keselamatan lah. Jadi itu yang diterangkan oleh bullet point tersebut.

...[82] Oleh yang demikian, memandangkan ujian titik lihat yang dibuat pasukan Forensik tersebut merupakan titik lihat pada kelajuan tertentu dengan kon, ia sebenarnya tidak membuktikan motorkar OKT boleh melihat kedudukan mangsa pertama di bucu keluar simpang rujukan silang kepada tandaan 1 rajah kasar tersebut. Hal ini demikian, ujian titik lihat tersebut dengan merujuk kepada gambar no. 121 hingga no.124 (P185) hanya membuktikan fakta bahawa motorkar OKT yang menaiki bukit tidak boleh nampak kedudukan mangsa pertama yang didakwa berada di tandaan 1 (bucu keluar simpang) di sebalik bukit.

[83] Malahan itu, laporan Forensik ini bertambah lemah ketepatannya apabila uji pandu untuk ujian titik lihat tersebut menggunakan sebuah Kon PDRM seperti dalam gambar no. 5 dan gambar no.6 (P185). Mahkamah berpendapat kon tersebut tidak sesuai digunakan untuk ujian tersebut disebabkan warnanya yang terang yang mempunyai ciri reflector dan menurut SP35 ada anggota polis yang berpakaian vest keselamatan berdiri di kawasan kon yang diletakkan. Ternyata ia memberi kelebihan penglihatan yang jelas kepada pemandu kenderaan untuk melihat kewujudan kon tersebut. Dalam apa jua keadaan sekalipun, tiada keterangan di mahkamah ini yang membuktikan mangsa pertama seperti yang digambarkan oleh pasukan Forensik ini menunggang basikal yang mempunyai lampu pantulan di bahagian belakang basikal mahupun mangsa pertama tersebut memakai baju berwarna cerah apatah lagi dilengkapi dengan vest kesalamatan penunggang basikal.

[84] Tambahan itu, mahkamah mendapati hampir kesemua simati memakai pakaian gelap merujuk kepada Laporan Postmortem P121, P137, P129, P176, P178, P180, P103 kecuali Laporan Postmortem P102 menunjukkan salah seorang simati hanya berseluar dalam. Maka ketepatan hasil ujian titik lihat yang dilakukan oleh pasukan Forensik PDRM tersebut adalah lemah dan diragui keberkesanannya.

[125] Mahkamah mengambil maklum bahawa fungsi saksi pakar adalah hanya berperanan untuk membantu mahkamah dalam bidang di mana mahkamah tidak mempunyai kepakaran dalam mencapai keputusan sesuatu isu. SP46 dalam keterangannya di mahkamah memaklumkan bahawa terdapat beberapa agensi yang terlibat dalam membantu siasatan polis antaranya adalah pihak Malaysian Institute of Road Safety Research (MIROS). Bantuan siasatan daripada MIROS ini adalah atas saranan dan arahan daripada pihak Trafik PDRM Bukit Aman. Menurut keterangan SP46 lagi, beliau difahamkan bahawa MIROS membuat kajian berkenaan struktur jalan dan mempunyai kepakaran dalam penentuan had laju kenderaan semasa kemalangan.
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[130] Berdasarkan prinsip undang-undang yang mampan di atas, mahkamah mendapati bahawa kelajuan motorkar tersebut sebelum kemalangan adalah di bawah had laju ditetapkan di jalan tersebut iaitu 50km/jam. Oleh itu, mahkamah berpendapat tiada kesalahan memandu motokar melebihi had laju yang ditetapkan telah dilanggari oleh OKT. SP46 sebagai pegawai penyiasat kes ini juga bersetuju bahawa hanya kaedah pengiraan had laju kenderaan yang dijalankan oleh pasukan MIROS adalah satu-satunya cara yang paling tepat manakala ujian jarak penglihatan yang dijalankan oleh pasukan Forensik Bukit Aman bukanlah pengiraan had laju kenderaan tetapi adalah ujian titik lihat pada kelajuan tertentu.

[129] Berdasarkan Laporan MIROS tersebut, terdapat dua dapatan kemungkinan kelajuan hasil kajian analisis yang dibuat oleh SP28 tersebut iaitu dalam erti kata lain kemungkinan OKT memandu motorkar sama ada pada kelajuan 44.53 km/jam atau 74.86 km/jam. Mahkamah ini bersetuju dengan hujahan pihak pembelaan bahawa sekiranya terdapat dua atau lebih inferens, maka mahkamah perlu memihak kepada inferens yang memihak kepada OKT. Perkara ini telah diputuskan dalam kes Mahkamah Persekutuan; PP V. MOHD RADZI BIN ABU BAKAR [2006] 1 CLJ 457 di mana mahkamah memutuskan bahawa: At the close of the prosecution's case, subject the evidence led by the prosecution in its totality to a maximum evaluation. Carefully scrutinise the credibility of each of the prosecution's witnesses.
“Take into account all reasonable inferences that may be drawn from that evidence. If the evidence admits of two or more inferences, then draw the inference that is most favourable to the accused.”

[131] Oleh yang demikian, mahkamah berpendapat seseorang yang munasabah akan berpendapat bahawa OKT tidak memandu secara merbahaya apabila motorkar tersebut dipandu pada kelajuan di bawah 50km/jam setelah mengambil kira keadaan jalan yang mempunyai tiga lorong yang mana lorong paling kiri adalah lorong yang paling lebar, dan motorkar dipandu pada jam 3 pagi yang mana keadaan jalan yang lengang dan tidak akan dijangka oleh pemandu motorkar akan ada satu perkumpulan basikal yang besar berkumpul di sebalik bukit di laluan sah pemandu tanpa memberi sebarang bentuk amaran.

[132] Pihak pendakwaan ada membangkitkan dalam hujahan mereka bahawa isu berkaitan Laporan MIROS (P182) yang menyatakan semasa kemalangan OKT memandu motorkar dalam julat 44.53km/j – 74.86km/j. Dalam hal ini, pihak pendakwaan berhujah bahawa mahkamah perlu meneliti bukan sahaja laporan MIROS tersebut, malah mahkamah perlu juga melihat kepada kerosakan motorkar seperti yang dilaporkan oleh SP24 iaitu Pemeriksa Kenderaan Puspakom dalam Laporan Puspakom (P100) serta keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut,

[133] Namun begitu, pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa rumusan yang dibuat oleh SP24 dalam Laporan Puspakom tersebut adalah komponen kenderaan boleh dibaiki kerana kerosakan tidak melibatkan main chasis dan kerangka utama motorkar tersebut yang mana secara ringkasnya kerosakan motorkar OKT boleh dibaiki dan digunakan semula. Seterusnya pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa dapatan yang dibuat SP24 tersebut adalah penting kerana ia membuktikan bahawa motorkar OKT hanya mengalami kerosakan pada struktur luaran badan motorkar. Ia juga membuktikan hentaman antara motorkar dengan 30 buah basikal tidak kuat kerana enjin dan kerangka utama kereta tidak rosak atau bengkok rujukan silang kepada gambar a dan gambar b motorkar (P207).

[134] Mahkamah mendapati kerosakan motorkar adalah tertumpu sebahagian besarnya kepada badan hadapan motorkar tersebut dan bukannya pada kerangka chasis utama (main chasis). Ini jelas memberi indikasi motorkar tersebut tidak dipandu laju semasa kemalangan berlaku tetapi rempuhan telah berlaku antara motorkar tersebut dengan sekumpulan basikal yang banyak. Rempuhan yang kuat antara motorkar dengan bilangan basikal yang banyak telah berlaku namun ia tidak disumbangkan oleh faktor kelajuan motorkar tersebut.

[135] Menurut keterangan SP24 semasa pemeriksaan balas, mengakui bahawa segala kerosakan motorkar tersebut boleh dibaiki mengikut kaedah-kaedah pembaikan dan motorkar tersebut juga boleh digunakan semula apabila selesai dibaiki. Pendapat SP24 ini juga selaras dengan rumusan Laporan Puspakom yang beliau sediakan di m/s 4 laporan tersebut. Seterusnya mahkamah berpendapat keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut adalah satu keadaan yang sangat berbeza dengan apa yang dirumuskan oleh SP24.
[149] Maka mahkamah berpendapat sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut telah berfungsi di mana motorkar tersebut dapat mengelak halangan yang betul-betul di hadapannya. Kemudiannya pergerakan motorkar tersebut dihalakan ke bahagian kiri jalan AA1 dengan bantuan sistem ABS adalah munasabah kerana jalan A-A1 tersebut adalah lebar jika dibandingkan dengan kelebaran jalan A1-A2 dan jalan A2-A3. Walaubagaimanapun, mahkamah mendapati dalam situasi sebegini OKT tidak boleh dikatakan sebagai gagal mengawal motorkar beliau apabila melihat kecemasan di hadapan beliau. Hal ini kerana keseluruhan besar kumpulan basikal jelas menutup keseluruhan jalan A-A1, maka kumpulan basikal yang berada di kiri jalan A-A1 adalah mustahil untuk dielakkan perlanggaran apabila sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut berfungsi melainkan motorkar tersebut terbang melepasi halangan kumpulan basikal tersebut yang mana dalam masa yang sama tindakan tersebut adalah amat mustahil dapat dilakukan oleh motorkar tersebut. Oleh yang demikian, adalah mustahil untuk membuktikan bahawa OKT cuai atau gagal memberi perhatian terhadap situasi kecemasan berada di hadapannya.

[150] Selain daripada itu, adalah tidak dinafikan bahawa motorkar tersebut juga dilengkapi dengan sistem keselamatan airbag dan akibat pelanggaran motorkar tersebut dengan kumpulan basikal yang banyak telah menyebabkan airbag tersebut tercetus keluar. Menurut keterangan SP28, apabila airbag tercetus tekanan yang keluar daripada airbag tersebut adalah sangat kuat. Maka tekanan yang sangat kuat itu kebiasaanya akan menolak pemandu lebih belakang walaupun momentum kenderaan sendiri akan menolak pemandu ke hadapan dan menyebabkan separuh halangan pandangan kepada pemandu motorkar apabila airbag tercetus. Oleh yang demikian, adalah munasabah dalam situasi sebegini kemungkinan OKT terlepas gengaman kepada stereng motorkar tersebut dan kemudiannya beliau ketika itu hanya mampu mengawal motorkar tersebut dengan hanya menekan brek atau melepaskan pedal minyak motorkar tersebut menurut keterangan SP28.

[151] Jelasnya mahkamah berpendapat situasi sebegini terjadi bukan disebabkan OKT gagal mengawal motorkar beliau atau cuai mengendalikan stereng motorkar tersebut sehingga menyebabkan pelanggaran dalam kedua-dua situasi tersebut. Hal ini kerana, sistem keselamatan motorkar iaitu ABS dan Airbag berfungsi dengan baik. Selain itu, tiada sebarang keterangan dikemukakan di mahkamah yang menunjukkan kerosakan berlaku pada tembok pembahagi jalan yang berada di laluan A3 mahupun pada pokok-pokok yang berada di bahu jalan laluan A-A1. Malahan itu, mahkamah juga mendapati OKT tidak di bawah pengaruh dadah mahupun alkohol semasa memandu, tidak menggunakan telefon bimbit semasa memandu dan OKT memakai tali pinggang keledar semasa memandu. Kesimpulannya, berdasarkan pemerhatian-pemerhatian di atas, mahkamah mendapati OKT memandu dengan tanggungjawab berjaga dan kemahiran pemanduan munasabah.



DALAM MAHKAMAH MAJISTRET JOHOR BAHRU
DALAM NEGERI JOHOR DARUL TAKZIM
KES TANGKAP TRAFIK NO: 83J-22-03/2017
PENDAKWARAYA
LWN
SAM KE TING
ALASAN PENGHAKIMAN
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 08:32 AM)
As per the injured statements "Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian."
[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku. Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian. Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan.

[134] Mahkamah mendapati kerosakan motorkar adalah tertumpu sebahagian besarnya kepada badan hadapan motorkar tersebut dan bukannya pada kerangka chasis utama (main chasis). Ini jelas memberi indikasi motorkar tersebut tidak dipandu laju semasa kemalangan berlaku tetapi rempuhan telah berlaku antara motorkar tersebut dengan sekumpulan basikal yang banyak. Rempuhan yang kuat antara motorkar dengan bilangan basikal yang banyak telah berlaku namun ia tidak disumbangkan oleh faktor kelajuan motorkar tersebut.

[135] Menurut keterangan SP24 semasa pemeriksaan balas, mengakui bahawa segala kerosakan motorkar tersebut boleh dibaiki mengikut kaedah-kaedah pembaikan dan motorkar tersebut juga boleh digunakan semula apabila selesai dibaiki. Pendapat SP24 ini juga selaras dengan rumusan Laporan Puspakom yang beliau sediakan di m/s 4 laporan tersebut. Seterusnya mahkamah berpendapat keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut adalah satu keadaan yang sangat berbeza dengan apa yang dirumuskan oleh SP24.
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It could be on side or upside down, or the witness itself unreliable

Either way, the police report doesn't jive at all with her story during defence that she never saw the cyclists and someone else hit them
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1. woman
2. 3am
3. drive 50-70km?

it's impossible. not to say the superkids are not an issue to society but things dont add up with this girl. maybe background check whether got any road rage issue before. extreme road rage can cause murders.
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 08:36 AM)
It could be on side or upside down, or the witness itself unreliable

Either way, the police report doesn't jive at all with her story during defence that she never saw the cyclists and someone else hit them
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Correct..
I dont think as a driver u can’t differentiate the car terbalik or not when u exit the car.


Really wow
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 15 2022, 08:34 AM)
penipu ni, kau ni tak puasa kah? fiftnah masa puasa tak berdosa?

[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:
SP44
S : Munasabah tak kalau saya nak gunakan istilah kumpulan basikal tu saya nak pakai perkataan ‘geng basikal lajak’. Munasabah tak? J : Munasabah.
S : Sebab itu lah aktiviti yang mereka buat kan? J : Ya,
betul. S : Jadi saya katakan mereka memang pilih kawasan tersebut kerana kawasan tersebut sunyi dan menyeramkan sebab kawasan kubur? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi bila kawasan tu kawasan kubur pukul 2 pagi, lagi lah tidak ada kenderaan nak lalu kawasan tu? J : Ya, tempat tu memang sunyi.
S : Jadi selain sunyi kawasan tu juga saya katakan dia terlindung daripada pandangan orang lalulintas? J : Ya, betul.
S : Kawasan tu terlindung daripada orang lalulintas? J : Ya.
S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.
PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.

[53] Malah ia diburukkan lagi dengan ‘modifikasi bahaya’ basikal lajak yang membuang aspek keselamatan basikal yang asas seperti ketiadaan brek, ketiadaan lampu basikal dan pemegang tangan direndahkan sebaris tempat duduk. Tambahan itu tiada keterangan daripada mana-mana saksi pendakwaan yang menunjukkan kesemua simati dan geng basikal lajak tersebut mengambil tindakan proaktif dalam memastikan keselamatan terhadap diri sendiri semasa menunggang basikal seperti memakai vest keselamatan dan helmet basikal. Ini dapat dilihat jelas melalui keterangan SP28 disokong oleh Laporan MIROS (P182) yang disediakan oleh SP28 tersebut. Keterangan SP28 tersebut secara verbatim adalah seperti berikut:

SP28
S : Rujuk pula kepada muka surat 49 di nombor 4. ‘Bicycles were not equipped with reflector for night cycling and were heavily modified in unsafe manner’. So, bagaimana kesimpulan ini atau apakah maksud?
J : Ketika di IPD, pihak MIROS juga ada mengambil gambar basikal – basikal yang terlibat jadi daripada pemerhatian yang kita buat pada ketika itu memang basikal – basikal itu tak dilengkapi dengan pemantul cahaya lah. Sama ada di bahagian depan atau di belakang untuk tujuan pemandu lain boleh melihat. Jadi keadaan ini sangat merbahaya apatah lagi dalam keadaan malam. Dan berada di public road yang mungkin banyak melibatkan kenderaan. Dan juga kita dapati basikal – basikal itu bukan dalam keadaan asal, ia adalah telah mengalami satu pengubahsuaian yang sangat ketara dari setiap struktur basikal itu lah. Jadi termasuk yang kita dapati ada basikal – basikal yang memasang brek motorsikal, melekatkan brek motorsikal di roda hadapan. Mungkin untuk menambah kelajuan dan sebagainya. Jadi itu memang satu perkara yang tidak mengikut unsur – unsur keselamatan lah. Jadi itu yang diterangkan oleh bullet point tersebut.

...[82] Oleh yang demikian, memandangkan ujian titik lihat yang dibuat pasukan Forensik tersebut merupakan titik lihat pada kelajuan tertentu dengan kon, ia sebenarnya tidak membuktikan motorkar OKT boleh melihat kedudukan mangsa pertama di bucu keluar simpang rujukan silang kepada tandaan 1 rajah kasar tersebut. Hal ini demikian, ujian titik lihat tersebut dengan merujuk kepada gambar no. 121 hingga no.124 (P185) hanya membuktikan fakta bahawa motorkar OKT yang menaiki bukit tidak boleh nampak kedudukan mangsa pertama yang didakwa berada di tandaan 1 (bucu keluar simpang) di sebalik bukit.

[83] Malahan itu, laporan Forensik ini bertambah lemah ketepatannya apabila uji pandu untuk ujian titik lihat tersebut menggunakan sebuah Kon PDRM seperti dalam gambar no. 5 dan gambar no.6 (P185). Mahkamah berpendapat kon tersebut tidak sesuai digunakan untuk ujian tersebut disebabkan warnanya yang terang yang mempunyai ciri reflector dan menurut SP35 ada anggota polis yang berpakaian vest keselamatan berdiri di kawasan kon yang diletakkan. Ternyata ia memberi kelebihan penglihatan yang jelas kepada pemandu kenderaan untuk melihat kewujudan kon tersebut. Dalam apa jua keadaan sekalipun, tiada keterangan di mahkamah ini yang membuktikan mangsa pertama seperti yang digambarkan oleh pasukan Forensik ini menunggang basikal yang mempunyai lampu pantulan di bahagian belakang basikal mahupun mangsa pertama tersebut memakai baju berwarna cerah apatah lagi dilengkapi dengan vest kesalamatan penunggang basikal.

[84] Tambahan itu, mahkamah mendapati hampir kesemua simati memakai pakaian gelap merujuk kepada Laporan Postmortem P121, P137, P129, P176, P178, P180, P103 kecuali Laporan Postmortem P102 menunjukkan salah seorang simati hanya berseluar dalam. Maka ketepatan hasil ujian titik lihat yang dilakukan oleh pasukan Forensik PDRM tersebut adalah lemah dan diragui keberkesanannya.

[125] Mahkamah mengambil maklum bahawa fungsi saksi pakar adalah hanya berperanan untuk membantu mahkamah dalam bidang di mana mahkamah tidak mempunyai kepakaran dalam mencapai keputusan sesuatu isu. SP46 dalam keterangannya di mahkamah memaklumkan bahawa terdapat beberapa agensi yang terlibat dalam membantu siasatan polis antaranya adalah pihak Malaysian Institute of Road Safety Research (MIROS). Bantuan siasatan daripada MIROS ini adalah atas saranan dan arahan daripada pihak Trafik PDRM Bukit Aman. Menurut keterangan SP46 lagi, beliau difahamkan bahawa MIROS membuat kajian berkenaan struktur jalan dan mempunyai kepakaran dalam penentuan had laju kenderaan semasa kemalangan.
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[130] Berdasarkan prinsip undang-undang yang mampan di atas, mahkamah mendapati bahawa kelajuan motorkar tersebut sebelum kemalangan adalah di bawah had laju ditetapkan di jalan tersebut iaitu 50km/jam. Oleh itu, mahkamah berpendapat tiada kesalahan memandu motokar melebihi had laju yang ditetapkan telah dilanggari oleh OKT. SP46 sebagai pegawai penyiasat kes ini juga bersetuju bahawa hanya kaedah pengiraan had laju kenderaan yang dijalankan oleh pasukan MIROS adalah satu-satunya cara yang paling tepat manakala ujian jarak penglihatan yang dijalankan oleh pasukan Forensik Bukit Aman bukanlah pengiraan had laju kenderaan tetapi adalah ujian titik lihat pada kelajuan tertentu.

[129] Berdasarkan Laporan MIROS tersebut, terdapat dua dapatan kemungkinan kelajuan hasil kajian analisis yang dibuat oleh SP28 tersebut iaitu dalam erti kata lain kemungkinan OKT memandu motorkar sama ada pada kelajuan 44.53 km/jam atau 74.86 km/jam. Mahkamah ini bersetuju dengan hujahan pihak pembelaan bahawa sekiranya terdapat dua atau lebih inferens, maka mahkamah perlu memihak kepada inferens yang memihak kepada OKT. Perkara ini telah diputuskan dalam kes Mahkamah Persekutuan; PP V. MOHD RADZI BIN ABU BAKAR [2006] 1 CLJ 457 di mana mahkamah memutuskan bahawa: At the close of the prosecution's case, subject the evidence led by the prosecution in its totality to a maximum evaluation. Carefully scrutinise the credibility of each of the prosecution's witnesses.
“Take into account all reasonable inferences that may be drawn from that evidence. If the evidence admits of two or more inferences, then draw the inference that is most favourable to the accused.”

[131] Oleh yang demikian, mahkamah berpendapat seseorang yang munasabah akan berpendapat bahawa OKT tidak memandu secara merbahaya apabila motorkar tersebut dipandu pada kelajuan di bawah 50km/jam setelah mengambil kira keadaan jalan yang mempunyai tiga lorong yang mana lorong paling kiri adalah lorong yang paling lebar, dan motorkar dipandu pada jam 3 pagi yang mana keadaan jalan yang lengang dan tidak akan dijangka oleh pemandu motorkar akan ada satu perkumpulan basikal yang besar berkumpul di sebalik bukit di laluan sah pemandu tanpa memberi sebarang bentuk amaran.

[132] Pihak pendakwaan ada membangkitkan dalam hujahan mereka bahawa isu berkaitan Laporan MIROS (P182) yang menyatakan semasa kemalangan OKT memandu motorkar dalam julat 44.53km/j – 74.86km/j. Dalam hal ini, pihak pendakwaan berhujah bahawa mahkamah perlu meneliti bukan sahaja laporan MIROS tersebut, malah mahkamah perlu juga melihat kepada kerosakan motorkar seperti yang dilaporkan oleh SP24 iaitu Pemeriksa Kenderaan Puspakom dalam Laporan Puspakom (P100) serta keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut,

[133] Namun begitu, pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa rumusan yang dibuat oleh SP24 dalam Laporan Puspakom tersebut adalah komponen kenderaan boleh dibaiki kerana kerosakan tidak melibatkan main chasis dan kerangka utama motorkar tersebut yang mana secara ringkasnya kerosakan motorkar OKT boleh dibaiki dan digunakan semula. Seterusnya pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa dapatan yang dibuat SP24 tersebut adalah penting kerana ia membuktikan bahawa motorkar OKT hanya mengalami kerosakan pada struktur luaran badan motorkar. Ia juga membuktikan hentaman antara motorkar dengan 30 buah basikal tidak kuat kerana enjin dan kerangka utama kereta tidak rosak atau bengkok rujukan silang kepada gambar a dan gambar b motorkar (P207).

[134] Mahkamah mendapati kerosakan motorkar adalah tertumpu sebahagian besarnya kepada badan hadapan motorkar tersebut dan bukannya pada kerangka chasis utama (main chasis). Ini jelas memberi indikasi motorkar tersebut tidak dipandu laju semasa kemalangan berlaku tetapi rempuhan telah berlaku antara motorkar tersebut dengan sekumpulan basikal yang banyak. Rempuhan yang kuat antara motorkar dengan bilangan basikal yang banyak telah berlaku namun ia tidak disumbangkan oleh faktor kelajuan motorkar tersebut.

[135] Menurut keterangan SP24 semasa pemeriksaan balas, mengakui bahawa segala kerosakan motorkar tersebut boleh dibaiki mengikut kaedah-kaedah pembaikan dan motorkar tersebut juga boleh digunakan semula apabila selesai dibaiki. Pendapat SP24 ini juga selaras dengan rumusan Laporan Puspakom yang beliau sediakan di m/s 4 laporan tersebut. Seterusnya mahkamah berpendapat keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut adalah satu keadaan yang sangat berbeza dengan apa yang dirumuskan oleh SP24.
[149] Maka mahkamah berpendapat sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut telah berfungsi di mana motorkar tersebut dapat mengelak halangan yang betul-betul di hadapannya. Kemudiannya pergerakan motorkar tersebut dihalakan ke bahagian kiri jalan AA1 dengan bantuan sistem ABS adalah munasabah kerana jalan A-A1 tersebut adalah lebar jika dibandingkan dengan kelebaran jalan A1-A2 dan jalan A2-A3. Walaubagaimanapun, mahkamah mendapati dalam situasi sebegini OKT tidak boleh dikatakan sebagai gagal mengawal motorkar beliau apabila melihat kecemasan di hadapan beliau. Hal ini kerana keseluruhan besar kumpulan basikal jelas menutup keseluruhan jalan A-A1, maka kumpulan basikal yang berada di kiri jalan A-A1 adalah mustahil untuk dielakkan perlanggaran apabila sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut berfungsi melainkan motorkar tersebut terbang melepasi halangan kumpulan basikal tersebut yang mana dalam masa yang sama tindakan tersebut adalah amat mustahil dapat dilakukan oleh motorkar tersebut. Oleh yang demikian, adalah mustahil untuk membuktikan bahawa OKT cuai atau gagal memberi perhatian terhadap situasi kecemasan berada di hadapannya.

[150] Selain daripada itu, adalah tidak dinafikan bahawa motorkar tersebut juga dilengkapi dengan sistem keselamatan airbag dan akibat pelanggaran motorkar tersebut dengan kumpulan basikal yang banyak telah menyebabkan airbag tersebut tercetus keluar. Menurut keterangan SP28, apabila airbag tercetus tekanan yang keluar daripada airbag tersebut adalah sangat kuat. Maka tekanan yang sangat kuat itu kebiasaanya akan menolak pemandu lebih belakang walaupun momentum kenderaan sendiri akan menolak pemandu ke hadapan dan menyebabkan separuh halangan pandangan kepada pemandu motorkar apabila airbag tercetus. Oleh yang demikian, adalah munasabah dalam situasi sebegini kemungkinan OKT terlepas gengaman kepada stereng motorkar tersebut dan kemudiannya beliau ketika itu hanya mampu mengawal motorkar tersebut dengan hanya menekan brek atau melepaskan pedal minyak motorkar tersebut menurut keterangan SP28.

[151] Jelasnya mahkamah berpendapat situasi sebegini terjadi bukan disebabkan OKT gagal mengawal motorkar beliau atau cuai mengendalikan stereng motorkar tersebut sehingga menyebabkan pelanggaran dalam kedua-dua situasi tersebut. Hal ini kerana, sistem keselamatan motorkar iaitu ABS dan Airbag berfungsi dengan baik. Selain itu, tiada sebarang keterangan dikemukakan di mahkamah yang menunjukkan kerosakan berlaku pada tembok pembahagi jalan yang berada di laluan A3 mahupun pada pokok-pokok yang berada di bahu jalan laluan A-A1. Malahan itu, mahkamah juga mendapati OKT tidak di bawah pengaruh dadah mahupun alkohol semasa memandu, tidak menggunakan telefon bimbit semasa memandu dan OKT memakai tali pinggang keledar semasa memandu. Kesimpulannya, berdasarkan pemerhatian-pemerhatian di atas, mahkamah mendapati OKT memandu dengan tanggungjawab berjaga dan kemahiran pemanduan munasabah.
DALAM MAHKAMAH MAJISTRET JOHOR BAHRU
DALAM NEGERI JOHOR DARUL TAKZIM
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Ini semua tak penting, TS just want to say Sam is penipu.
Dont waste time arguing. here everyone is lawyer and judge, making decision based on own 2x5 finding.

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QUOTE(mick84 @ Apr 15 2022, 08:50 AM)
Ini semua tak penting, TS just want to say Sam is penipu.
Dont waste time arguing. here everyone is lawyer and judge, making decision based on own 2x5 finding.
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Someone break in your house and you kill him, when file police report you also indicate that there was altercation between both of you.

Suddenly during court case you say you never saw the intruder and someone else unknown not seen by any witness is the one who kill him.

You see how the whole narrative has changed?
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 08:17 AM)
Read the statement again, she said she didn't see the cyclists

So never see cyclists but she bang them?

Come on la. M4A1 ppl really got tunnel vision on this case, only want to see the narrative they want to believe as true
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If ah lam is acquitted also the same some here wun believe, if convict sure very happy curse 100 pages again. Its the same. Most people are biased. They won't look at the facts and doubts.

QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 07:47 AM)
Can say she like to pusing story, this also diff with her 1st police report.

Whiche he crash than sapu all kids. But later give diff statement to court
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not sure the judge got read this report or not privately. No wonder convict her. If reli below 50 and right side, and if steady and careful, can stop in time, and wont injury too much. Since its 3am, you must be extra careful and not sleepy condition or higher speed.

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If ah lam is acquitted also the same some here wun believe, if convict sure very happy curse 100 pages again. Its the same. Most people are biased. They won't look at the facts and doubts.
not sure the judge got read this report or not privately. No wonder convict her. If reli below 50 and right side, and if steady and careful, can stop in time, and wont injury too much. Since its 3am, you must be extra careful and not sleepy condition or higher speed.
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Yes if lam Chang nam sentence to hang or jail I will happy celebrate, getting what he deserves
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Thats why you also same as them no different. You are not based on facts but on emotional and evilness. Means you think you are better than the court when the decision is not the want you expect. It applies to all the biased people here.
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 09:01 AM)
Someone break in your house and you kill him, when file police report you also indicate that there was altercation between both of you.

Suddenly during court case you say you never saw the intruder and someone else unknown not seen by any witness is the one who kill him.

You see how the whole narrative has changed?
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Yup. i bet the lawyer, prosecutor and judge should knew about it before us.

But lying doesnt support the fact that she reckless driving. That's why the court bring in expert who investigate the case to provide supporting facts.

Try find back those statements from the kids who survived the incident. More contradiction.
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 10:08 AM)
Yes if lam Chang nam sentence to hang or jail I will happy celebrate, getting what he deserves
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QUOTE(mick84 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:12 AM)
Yup. i bet the lawyer, prosecutor and judge should knew about it before us.

But lying doesnt support the fact that she reckless driving. That's why the court bring in expert who investigate the case to provide supporting facts.

Try find back those statements from the kids who survived the incident. More contradiction.
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you must understand, its 2 judges vs 1 that agreed that she was reckless. When prima facie is proven, it means the reckless is also proven. Whether there are other doubts or not, is another issue. And I cannot see they can cast any reasonable doubts.

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QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 08:36 AM)
It could be on side or upside down, or the witness itself unreliable

Either way, the police report doesn't jive at all with her story during defence that she never saw the cyclists and someone else hit them
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The witness here are two of the underaged "basikal lajaks" both who testified that "motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian". PDRM report and also expert witness appointed by PDRM analysis did not show that the collision caused the car to turn turtle.

You can read the full Magistret judgement and the High Court's decision as kindly provided by another forummer here - https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5262973

[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku. Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian. Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan.


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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:14 AM)
you must understand, its 2 judges vs 1 that agreed that she was reckless. When prima facie is proven, it means the reckless is also proven. Whether there are other doubts or not, is another issue. And I cannot see they can cast any doubts.
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that's why i waiting someone to share judge justification on reckless driving.

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that's why i waiting someone to share judge justification on reckless driving.
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many just dont un. When a defense is called, means the judges satisfy all the ingredients of the charges are proven which includes reckless. So the burden is slightly switched on your side to prove on a balance of probabilities that you are a careful person and not reckless. You only need to prove by probability ya, so your burden is lower. The prosecution is always must prove beyond whatever doubts you can cast and they always bear the higher burden.

So if you said someone else banged the kids, and you have a witness or any proof to collaborate your story, then that is strong reasonable doubt. If without any proof to back up, then it is bare denial or an afterthought.
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 09:01 AM)
Someone break in your house and you kill him, when file police report you also indicate that there was altercation between both of you.

Suddenly during court case you say you never saw the intruder and someone else unknown not seen by any witness is the one who kill him.

You see how the whole narrative has changed?
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I will just leave this here..

A police report does not prove the truth of the contents. If you read the bottom of the report, it is clear that it is "not to be used in Court". The rational is this.

The report is created by the officer based on the version as narrated by the Lodger. So, the officer types the contents as the narrative is set out. As such, the report contents are based on what the officer perceive from the Lodger.

In law, we call this as heresay. The document is hearsay because it is a version based on what someone said. Eg- Gladlfy gives testimony that he heard from Joe_Star that Accord2018 is actually LamTin.

In Court, this is inadmissible to prove Accord2018 is Lamtin as it amounts to hearsay. However, it is admissible to show that Gladfly and Joe_Star did have a conversation about Accord2018. The rule against heresay is strict. Otherwise, whatever mention in police report is deemed as truth, we will have many version of truths as multiples police reports could be lodged for 1 case.

To close this, I am not sure if the prosecutor even raised this point or not? At most, Sam's credibility could be challenged if it is shown her evidence in Court is contradicted by the report. But it only goes so far to impeach her credibility. Nothing more nothing less.



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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 09:22 AM)
I will just leave this here..

A police report does not prove the truth of the contents. If you read the bottom of the report, it is clear that it is "not to be used in Court". The rational is this.

The report is created by the officer based on the version as narrated by the Lodger. So, the officer types the contents as the narrative is set out. As such, the report contents are based on what the officer perceive from the Lodger.

In law, we call this as heresay. The document is hearsay because it is a version based on what someone said. Eg- Gladlfy gives testimony that he heard from Joe_Star that Accord2018 is actually LamTin.

In Court, this is inadmissible to prove Accord2018 is Lamtin as it amounts to hearsay. However, it is admissible to show that Gladfly and Joe_Star did have a conversation about Accord2018. The rule against heresay is strict. Otherwise, whatever mention in police report is deemed as truth, we will have many version of truths as multiples police reports could be lodged for 1 case.

To close this, I am not sure if the prosecutor even raised this point or not? At most, Sam's credibility could be challenged if it is shown her evidence in Court is contradicted by the report. But it only goes so far to impeach her credibility. Nothing more nothing less.
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Usually the 1st report is the truth
No one influence you or anythings


Then naik mahkamah, u will be influence by lawyer, less punishment then make u think to re-create new story to save own ass

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 09:25 AM)
Usually the 1st report is the truth
No one influence you or anythings
Then naik mahkamah, u will be influence by lawyer, less punishment then make u think to re-create new story to save own ass
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You assume so.

There is no presumption that 1st report is truth. Section 114 of Evidence Act dont have such presumption.

Anyway, as long as the road is straight as stated in the statement (which you have failed to produce. ps photo =/= statement), carry on brother.
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 09:30 AM)
You assume so.

There is no presumption that 1st report is truth. Section 114 of Evidence Act dont have such presumption.

Anyway, as long as the road is straight as stated in the statement (which you have failed to produce. ps photo =/= statement), carry on brother.
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So u depend on statement rather than real life condition with graphical image?

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So u depend on statement rather than real life condition with graphical photo?
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How would I know? It wasn't me that said the road is straight as stated in the statement.

Can you remember who said that? Oh yes..it was you....


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Please show source that there were two (2) judges that agreed she was reckless. High Court decision was by one Hakim Dato' Abu Bakar overturning the Magistrate's detailed judgement.

Also compare the reasoning set out by the High Court (she should have known at 3am that there can be 30 basikal lajak berkumpul at the road on a slope along a curve that is dark) versus the Magistrate (based on PDRM officer own testimony and the police own expert witness).


QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:14 AM)
you must understand, its 2 judges vs 1 that agreed that she was reckless. When prima facie is proven, it means the reckless is also proven. Whether there are other doubts or not, is another issue. And I cannot see they can cast any reasonable doubts.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 01:56 AM)
when compared to  the very detailed arguments presented by the lower court judge, this one seems positively....lazy. anyway a silver lining is such a weak alasan when combined with the previous ruling and evidence should give a strong case for a reversal at the court of appeal.

btw "she should have known the conditions there etc"....when in the previous ruling it was already stated she was not from that area so could not be expected to be familiar with the place.
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:35 AM)
Please show source that there were two (2) judges that agreed she was reckless.  High Court decision was by one Hakim Dato' Abu Bakar overturning the Magistrate's detailed judgement. 

Also compare the reasoning set out by the High Court (she should have known at 3am that there can be 30 basikal lajak berkumpul at the road on a slope along a curve that is dark) versus the Magistrate (based on PDRM officer own testimony and the police own expert witness).
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How would I know? It wasn't me that said the road is straight as stated in the statement.

Can you remember who said that? Oh yes..it was you....
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But i give graphical proof too.
Maybe that area got up & down road.. some corner etc

But the incident area is purely straight road
If u drive @50kmh speed, you can easily stop with no hassle

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 09:22 AM)
I will just leave this here..

A police report does not prove the truth of the contents. If you read the bottom of the report, it is clear that it is "not to be used in Court". The rational is this.

The report is created by the officer based on the version as narrated by the Lodger. So, the officer types the contents as the narrative is set out. As such, the report contents are based on what the officer perceive from the Lodger.

In law, we call this as heresay. The document is hearsay because it is a version based on what someone said. Eg- Gladlfy gives testimony that he heard from Joe_Star that Accord2018 is actually LamTin.

In Court, this is inadmissible to prove Accord2018 is Lamtin as it amounts to hearsay. However, it is admissible to show that Gladfly and Joe_Star did have a conversation about Accord2018. The rule against heresay is strict. Otherwise, whatever mention in police report is deemed as truth, we will have many version of truths as multiples police reports could be lodged for 1 case.

To close this, I am not sure if the prosecutor even raised this point or not? At most, Sam's credibility could be challenged if it is shown her evidence in Court is contradicted by the report. But it only goes so far to impeach her credibility. Nothing more nothing less.
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This is a very good and fair summary.

High Court only disputed the credibility of Sam based on the summary keputusan.

High Court did not dispute the credibility of PDRM and its expert witness that supported there was no reckless driving. Instead High Court decided that "she should have known at 3 am and drive more carefully"


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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 09:22 AM)
I will just leave this here..

A police report does not prove the truth of the contents. If you read the bottom of the report, it is clear that it is "not to be used in Court". The rational is this.

The report is created by the officer based on the version as narrated by the Lodger. So, the officer types the contents as the narrative is set out. As such, the report contents are based on what the officer perceive from the Lodger.

In law, we call this as heresay. The document is hearsay because it is a version based on what someone said. Eg- Gladlfy gives testimony that he heard from Joe_Star that Accord2018 is actually LamTin.

In Court, this is inadmissible to prove Accord2018 is Lamtin as it amounts to hearsay. However, it is admissible to show that Gladfly and Joe_Star did have a conversation about Accord2018. The rule against heresay is strict. Otherwise, whatever mention in police report is deemed as truth, we will have many version of truths as multiples police reports could be lodged for 1 case.

To close this, I am not sure if the prosecutor even raised this point or not? At most, Sam's credibility could be challenged if it is shown her evidence in Court is contradicted by the report. But it only goes so far to impeach her credibility. Nothing more nothing less.
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dafuq? isn't after police type it out, they will show it to lodger first to verify before it was printed out? if police report cant be used, then what the point of lodge it anyway? now we want to dismiss police report pulak? LOL

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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:14 AM)
The witness here are two of the underaged "basikal lajaks" both who testified that "motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian".  PDRM report and also expert witness appointed by PDRM analysis did not show that the collision caused the car to turn turtle. 

You can read the full Magistret judgement and the High Court's decision as kindly provided by another forummer here - https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5262973

[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku. Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian. Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan.
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Means then she lied in her police report lah, correct?
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:35 AM)
Please show source that there were two (2) judges that agreed she was reckless.  High Court decision was by one Hakim Dato' Abu Bakar overturning the Magistrate's detailed judgement. 

Also compare the reasoning set out by the High Court (she should have known at 3am that there can be 30 basikal lajak berkumpul at the road on a slope along a curve that is dark) versus the Magistrate (based on PDRM officer own testimony and the police own expert witness).
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Sorry to be anal, but I am in legal profession. The Judge is Abu Bakar Katar J. There is also another judge in Court of Appeal Abu Bakar Jais JCA. So technically Dato Abu bakar can refer to both.



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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:10 AM)
Thats why you also same as them no different. You are not based on facts but on emotional and evilness. Means you think you are better than the court when the decision is not the want you expect. It applies to all the biased people here.
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LOL truth of lamtin is known to all. Court of society already found you guilty and hanged many years ago
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:22 AM)
many just dont un. When a defense is called, means the judges satisfy all the ingredients of the charges are proven which includes reckless. So the burden is slightly switched on your side to prove on a balance of probabilities that you are a careful person and not reckless. You only need to prove by probability ya, so your burden is lower. The prosecution is always must prove beyond whatever doubts you can cast and they always bear the higher burden.

So if you said someone else banged the kids, and you have a witness or any proof to collaborate your story, then that is strong reasonable doubt. If without any proof to back up, then it is bare denial or an afterthought.
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i see some sharing from lawyer la. she still consider guilty but earlier decision is under seksyen 43 instead 41(1). That's what her lawyer fighting for her. 41(1) is reckless driving.

Seksyen 43 - Memandu Dengan Tak Cermat Dan Tak Bertimbangrasa
Seksyen 41 - Menyebabkan Kematian Kerana Memandu Dengan Melulu Atau Membahayakan

base on news on what judge said, she should slow down due to low visibility, "Tak Cermat Dan Tak Bertimbangrasa" sound more relevant. but due to kematian, then need to prove that she "Memandu Dengan Melulu Atau Membahayakan"

anyway, above just my 2x5 cents.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 09:25 AM)
Usually the 1st report is the truth
No one influence you or anythings
Then naik mahkamah, u will be influence by lawyer, less punishment then make u think to re-create new story to save own ass
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they were two reports made by Sam that night.

Also no one has mentioned this, but her friend Pay qin ting drove behind her that night (and was never called to testify, something that the judge majistret criticized)

[27] Sehubungan itu, mahkamah perlu terlebih dahulu meneliti kronologi laporan polis yang
dibuat oleh pihak yang terlibat kemalangan pada 18/2/2017 sewaktu siasatan di bawah
Pegawai Penyiasat Pertama (SP44) adalah seperti berikut;
1. Laporan Polis OKT (P209) pada 18/2/2017- jam 3.40 pagi
2. Laporan Polis SP42 (P202) pada 18/2/2017- jam 3.44 pagi
3. Laporan Polis Pembetulan OKT (P210) pada 18/2/2017
4. Laporan Polis Pay Qin Ting (P211) pada 18/2/2017
5. Laporan Polis SP3 (P8) pada 18/2/2017
6. Laporan Polis SP7 (P20) pada 18/2/2017
7. Laporan Polis SP6 (P18) pada 18/2/2017

QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 09:43 AM)
Means then she lied in her police report lah, correct?
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which one? got two on the same night

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 09:39 AM)
But i give graphical proof too.
Maybe that area got up & down road.. some corner etc

But the incident area is purely straight road
If u drive @50kmh speed, you can easily stop with no hassle
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But that doesn't resolve your Eurocham and Eurochem issue rite. Your asserted straight road as the statement said so. MANA STATEMENT? Jangan dolak dalih, nak tegak bebeang yang basah. Ada atau tidak statement tu?

Wait..so your conclusion is a straight road is based on 1 photo? You who was never been at the accident site, never travelled along the road?

vs

The conclusions of the police officers who were at site and conducted the investigation that gave sown statement in Court


Ahahahahahahahahahahahaaha.

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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:49 AM)
they were two reports made by Sam that night.

Also no one has mentioned this, but her friend Pay qin ting drove behind her that night (and was never called to testify, something that the judge majistret criticized)

[27] Sehubungan itu, mahkamah perlu terlebih dahulu meneliti kronologi laporan polis yang
dibuat oleh pihak yang terlibat kemalangan pada 18/2/2017 sewaktu siasatan di bawah
Pegawai Penyiasat Pertama (SP44) adalah seperti berikut;
1. Laporan Polis OKT (P209) pada 18/2/2017- jam 3.40 pagi
2. Laporan Polis SP42 (P202) pada 18/2/2017- jam 3.44 pagi
3. Laporan Polis Pembetulan OKT (P210) pada 18/2/2017
4. Laporan Polis Pay Qin Ting (P211) pada 18/2/2017
5. Laporan Polis SP3 (P8) pada 18/2/2017
6. Laporan Polis SP7 (P20) pada 18/2/2017
7. Laporan Polis SP6 (P18) pada 18/2/2017
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Why her friend dont want to be a witness? If she driving with her? 50Kmh is not something u can cicirkan 10 tiang

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 09:51 AM)
Why her friend dont want to be a witness? If she driving with her? 50Kmh is not something u can cicirkan 10 tiang
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diffyhelman2 post said her friend was not called to testify....

so which one correct dont want to be witness or not called?

could you spell it clearly?
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QUOTE(enterthefatdragon @ Apr 15 2022, 09:54 AM)
diffyhelman2 post said her friend was not called to testify....

so which one correct dont want to be witness or not called?

could you spell it clearly?
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Should be the lawyer issue right
Court must want her to testify
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 09:56 AM)
Should be the lawyer issue right
Court must want her to testify
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even prosecutor also don't summon her to testify

you ni bodo sangat
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 09:56 AM)
Should be the lawyer issue right
Court must want her to testify
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so your statement she dont want to testify comes from where?
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QUOTE(letitsnow @ Apr 15 2022, 09:42 AM)
dafuq? isn't after police type it out, they will show it to lodger first to verify before it was printed out? if police report cant be used, then what the point of lodge it anyway? now we want to dismiss police report pulak? LOL
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Are you a lawyer? Tak tahu procedure dont talk big lor.

The FREAKING POINT of lodging a report is to say such an incident happened and police to investigate bro. INVESTIGATE...not deem as the contents of the report as truth. Kalau u baca my explanation you will faham la

No one want to dismiss the report. What I said is that the report cannot be deemed as the truth as it is hearsay.
let me put it this way, like that I make a police report say letitsnow ran over Lamtin, then 100% truth la that letitsnow is guilty? Tak payah need Court lor...


If truth, /k will say thank you very much for getting rid of Lamtin
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so got hit or no hit??? niamah
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QUOTE(joe_star @ Apr 15 2022, 09:47 AM)
LOL truth of lamtin is known to all. Court of society already found you guilty and hanged many years ago
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huh, a hundred people here include dupes not representing the society. It is all hearsay to say I am lamtin.
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 09:58 AM)
Are you a lawyer? Tak tahu procedure dont talk big lor.

The FREAKING POINT of lodging a report is to say such an incident happened and police to investigate bro. INVESTIGATE...not deem as the contents of the report as truth. Kalau u baca my explanation you will faham la

No one want to dismiss the report. What I said is that the report cannot be deemed as the truth as it is hearsay.
let me put it this way, like that I make a police report say letitsnow ran over Lamtin, then 100% truth la that letitsnow is guilty? Tak payah need Court lor...
If truth, /k will say thank you very much for getting rid of Lamtin
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according joe_star intellectual, if 100 people here say you are a criminal, then you are a proven criminal. No need any fact or evidence to support one.

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 09:51 AM)
Why her friend dont want to be a witness? If she driving with her? 50Kmh is not something u can cicirkan 10 tiang
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ahla, all this is in the alasan penghakiman majistret la. thats why that document is important and not just "irrelevant" after HC overrule it.
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[116] Meneliti keterangan SP46 di atas dengan jelas menunjukkan pekara-pekara berikut:
1. Saksi- saksi mata (SP1- SP13) menyatakan semasa soal siasat dijalankan oleh SP46 bahawa
motorkar tersebut dipandu di lorong tengah sebelum kemalangan berlaku.
2. Kawan OKT iaitu Pay Qin Ting yang memandu di belakang OKT dalam jarak dua kereta
melihat OKT memandu di lorong tengah sebelum kemalangan berlaku.
3. Kumpulan basikal lajak berada di ketiga-tiga lorong (A-A1,A1-A2,A2-A3) jalan tersebut.
4. OKT memandu di lorong tengah dan kemudian gagal mengawal motorkar tersebut telah beralih
ke lorong kiri dan di lorong kiri berlaku kemalangan.

[118] Oleh yang demikian, timbul keraguan sama ada SP46 membuat siasatan ke atas
kesahihan percakapan beramaran saksi-saksi mata tersebut kerana mereka ini yang berada di
jalan tersebut semasa kemalangan berlaku ataupun siasatan SP46 hanya bersandarkan kepada
laporan polis (P211) yang dibuat oleh Pay Qin Ting yang tidak sama sekali dipanggil di
mahkamah semasa kes pendakwaan untuk memberi keterangan dan sekaligus menyokong
atau menyangkal laporan polis
(P211) yang dibuat beliau pada 18/2/2017 yang lalu. Namun,
dalam apa jua keadaan sekalipun, jelasnya dalam laporan polis (P211) tersebut hanya
menyatakan Pay Qin Ting yang memandu di lorong tengah dan tidak sama sekali menyatakan
OKT memandu di lorong tengah dan fakta tersebut juga dipersetujui oleh SP46 semasa
pemeriksaan balas. Seterusnya, mahkamah mendapati keterangan SP10 hanya menyatakan
beliau nampak motorkar tersebut dipandu di lorong tengah tetapi beliau tidak menyatakan
motorkar tersebut hilang kawalan dan kemudian beralih ke lorong kiri. Selanjutnya, tiada
keterangan yang menunjukkan terdapat bukti senyap seperti kesan brek, kesan seretan, kesan
tumpahan minyak, kesan titisan darah, dan sebagainya dijumpai di lorong tengah rujukan
silang rajah kasar (P2).


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QUOTE(enterthefatdragon @ Apr 15 2022, 09:57 AM)
so your statement she dont want to testify comes from where?
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From the post above me
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:49 AM)
they were two reports made by Sam that night.

Also no one has mentioned this, but her friend Pay qin ting drove behind her that night (and was never called to testify, something that the judge majistret criticized)

[27] Sehubungan itu, mahkamah perlu terlebih dahulu meneliti kronologi laporan polis yang
dibuat oleh pihak yang terlibat kemalangan pada 18/2/2017 sewaktu siasatan di bawah
Pegawai Penyiasat Pertama (SP44) adalah seperti berikut;
1. Laporan Polis OKT (P209) pada 18/2/2017- jam 3.40 pagi
2. Laporan Polis SP42 (P202) pada 18/2/2017- jam 3.44 pagi
3. Laporan Polis Pembetulan OKT (P210) pada 18/2/2017
4. Laporan Polis Pay Qin Ting (P211) pada 18/2/2017
5. Laporan Polis SP3 (P8) pada 18/2/2017
6. Laporan Polis SP7 (P20) pada 18/2/2017
7. Laporan Polis SP6 (P18) pada 18/2/2017
which one? got two on the same night
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where you got this new information? All this will affect her case negatively.
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:02 AM)
where you got this new information? All this will affect her case negatively.
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what new? all this is in the alasan penghakiman of the majistret case on 18/11/2019. and yet got /k say all this is old info and lemau and semua orang sudah tau. I suggest you download and read it, which you obviously havent.

QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 01:24 AM)
we all wait, last alasan penghakiman published was on 17/3/22 for high court. may take a while.
apparently many do not (including me). many misinformation about the facts of the case which is not widely published in the papers. at least the court document details things like condition of the scene of the accident, car damage, witness and police statements etc.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 09:49 AM)
they were two reports made by Sam that night.

Also no one has mentioned this, but her friend Pay qin ting drove behind her that night (and was never called to testify, something that the judge majistret criticized)

[27] Sehubungan itu, mahkamah perlu terlebih dahulu meneliti kronologi laporan polis yang
dibuat oleh pihak yang terlibat kemalangan pada 18/2/2017 sewaktu siasatan di bawah
Pegawai Penyiasat Pertama (SP44) adalah seperti berikut;
1. Laporan Polis OKT (P209) pada 18/2/2017- jam 3.40 pagi
2. Laporan Polis SP42 (P202) pada 18/2/2017- jam 3.44 pagi
3. Laporan Polis Pembetulan OKT (P210) pada 18/2/2017
4. Laporan Polis Pay Qin Ting (P211) pada 18/2/2017
5. Laporan Polis SP3 (P8) pada 18/2/2017
6. Laporan Polis SP7 (P20) pada 18/2/2017
7. Laporan Polis SP6 (P18) pada 18/2/2017
which one? got two on the same night
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 10:02 AM)
From the post above me
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was never call to testify by whoever and dont want to be witness ....two different issue
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 09:39 AM)
But i give graphical proof too.
Maybe that area got up & down road.. some corner etc

But the incident area is purely straight road
If u drive @50kmh speed, you can easily stop with no hassle
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Your graphical proof already disputed and proven wrong by PDRM recorded statements no less. The incident area is not purely straight road as confirmed by PDRM themselves in verbatim that the incident was at a kawasan yang "berbukit dan berselekoh".

Are you accusing the PDRM of lying or you do not understand Bahasa Melayu ?? Fitnah itu haramkan ??

Owaii ... you have much better knowledge that PDRM including Lans/ Koperal Taufik and SP44 who was actually present at the site at 3.30am at the accident site.

Owaiii ... you subscribed to the amat mustahil flying car theory.


[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. [B]Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal [/b]sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:
SP44
S : Munasabah tak kalau saya nak gunakan istilah kumpulan basikal tu saya nak pakai perkataan ‘geng basikal lajak’. Munasabah tak? J : Munasabah.
S : Sebab itu lah aktiviti yang mereka buat kan? J : Ya,
betul. S : Jadi saya katakan mereka memang pilih kawasan tersebut kerana kawasan tersebut sunyi dan menyeramkan sebab kawasan kubur? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi bila kawasan tu kawasan kubur pukul 2 pagi, lagi lah tidak ada kenderaan nak lalu kawasan tu? J : Ya, tempat tu memang sunyi.
S : Jadi selain sunyi kawasan tu juga saya katakan dia terlindung daripada pandangan orang lalulintas? J : Ya, betul.
S : Kawasan tu terlindung daripada orang lalulintas? J : Ya.
S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.
S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.
PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.

[148] Selain itu, mahkamah mengambil maklum tiada kesan brek di mana-mana loronglorong jalan tersebut. Menurut keterangan SP28, kewujudan sistem ABS pada motorkar tersebut adalah untuk mengelakkan tayar motorkar daripada terkunci apabila brek ditekan. Maka kesan brek memang tidak akan dapat dilihat kerana kesan brek hanya akan terhasil disebabkan geseran tayar kenderaan dengan permukaan jalan. Dalam hal ini ini, mahkamah berpendapat bahawa OKT menggunakan brek motorkar tersebut apabila berhadapan dengan situasi kecemasan yang wujud di sebalik bukit di lorong A-A1 iaitu kehadiran kumpulan basikal lajak yang tidak boleh dijangka kehadiran mereka pada jam 3 pagi apatah lagi berkumpul di laluan sah motorkar OKT tanpa sebarang bentuk amaran diberikan. Hal ini kerana menurut keterangan SP28 yang menyatakan bahawa berdasarkan kajian-kajian yang dilakukan di luar negara, menyatakan driver reaction time (DRT) pasti wujud dan pemandu sememangnya memerlukan reaction time iaitu selama 1.3 saat sebelum pemandu bertindak menekan brek apabila ternampak kecemasan di hadapannya rujukan silang pada m/s 39 dan 42 Laporan MIROS (P182).

[149] Maka mahkamah berpendapat sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut telah berfungsi di mana motorkar tersebut dapat mengelak halangan yang betul-betul di hadapannya. Kemudiannya pergerakan motorkar tersebut dihalakan ke bahagian kiri jalan AA1 dengan bantuan sistem ABS adalah munasabah kerana jalan A-A1 tersebut adalah lebar jika dibandingkan dengan kelebaran jalan A1-A2 dan jalan A2-A3. Walaubagaimanapun, mahkamah mendapati dalam situasi sebegini OKT tidak boleh dikatakan sebagai gagal mengawal motorkar beliau apabila melihat kecemasan di hadapan beliau. Hal ini kerana keseluruhan besar kumpulan basikal jelas menutup keseluruhan jalan A-A1, maka kumpulan basikal yang berada di kiri jalan A-A1 adalah mustahil untuk dielakkan perlanggaran apabila sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut berfungsi melainkan motorkar tersebut terbang melepasi halangan kumpulan basikal tersebut yang mana dalam masa yang sama tindakan tersebut adalah amat mustahil dapat dilakukan oleh motorkar tersebut. Oleh yang demikian, adalah mustahil untuk membuktikan bahawa OKT cuai atau gagal memberi perhatian terhadap situasi kecemasan berada di hadapannya.


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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 11:00 AM)
according joe_star intellectual, if 100 people here say you are a criminal, then you are a proven criminal. No need any fact or evidence to support one.
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joe_star mohon plotek urself ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:05 AM)
what new? all this is in the alasan penghakiman of the majistret case on 18/11/2019. and yet got /k say all this is old info and lemau and semua orang sudah tau. I suggest you download and read it, which you obviously havent.
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I mean it has never been raised in k/ before. This is something new. And this is obviously an attempt to conceal important information. That girl must and supposed to be summoned to go testify in court.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Apr 15 2022, 10:07 AM)
joe_star mohon plotek urself ohmy.gif
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plotek wat lar. the same bunch of guys of urs only to insult and defame can lar. where got fakta one.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:05 AM)
what new? all this is in the alasan penghakiman of the majistret case on 18/11/2019. and yet got /k say all this is old info and lemau and semua orang sudah tau. I suggest you download and read it, which you obviously havent.
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The irony is that Accord2018 was the one who shared the full judgement penghakiman way back. Unfortunately the thread was deleted.

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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:09 AM)
The irony is that Accord2018 was the one who shared the full judgement penghakiman way back.  Unfortunately the thread was deleted.
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Account kena hacked?

Sudah bertaubat?

We can only assume...since the road was straight as the statement said so. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:00 AM)
ahla, all this is in the alasan penghakiman majistret la. thats why that document is important and not just "irrelevant" after HC overrule it.
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I think he is too lazy or need a full English translation. Call others sohai for not spoon feeding him with the judgement but refuse to read it himself.
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Why she dont come out as main witnesses?

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 09:58 AM)
Are you a lawyer? Tak tahu procedure dont talk big lor.

The FREAKING POINT of lodging a report is to say such an incident happened and police to investigate bro. INVESTIGATE...not deem as the contents of the report as truth. Kalau u baca my explanation you will faham la

No one want to dismiss the report. What I said is that the report cannot be deemed as the truth as it is hearsay.
let me put it this way, like that I make a police report say letitsnow ran over Lamtin, then 100% truth la that letitsnow is guilty? Tak payah need Court lor...
If truth, /k will say thank you very much for getting rid of Lamtin
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LOL trying to pull lawyer trick on me. biggrin.gif
I understand your previous well. you previous post is you trying to say police report is merely a "hearsay" because "police could give different story vs the lodger". you yourself said. not me. biggrin.gif


so all this while police only start investigating based on 'hearsay''. LMAO


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QUOTE(letitsnow @ Apr 15 2022, 10:21 AM)
LOL trying to pull lawyer trick on me.  biggrin.gif
I understand your previous well. you previous post is you trying to say police report is merely a "hearsay" because "police could give different story vs the lodger". you yourself said. not me.  biggrin.gif
so all this while police only start investigating based on 'hearsay''. LMAO
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LMAO..

Police investigate because a report is made...police dont take what is stated in the report as the truth..

Thats why u dont understand hearsay. Hearsay doesnt apply to police. Its a rule codified in Evidence Act 1950, only relates to evidence bang. Only in Court.

No where did I say dismiss the report or police cannot carry investigation based report. But one cannot go to court and use the police report to prove the contents. But then again I dont think you understand..so lets just agree todisagree



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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 12:49 AM)
here is the pdf for the alasan penghakiman from nov 2019

152. 83J-22-03/2017 PENDAKWARAYA : TPR- TUAN MUHAMMAD SYAFIQ BIN MOHD GHAZALI
TERTUDUH : SAM KE TING
(DIWAKILI PEGUAMBELA ENCIK FAIZAL BIN MOKHTAR)
TERTUDUH : SAM KE TING
(DIWAKILI PEGUAMBELA ENCIK FAIZAL BIN MOKHTAR)
PENDAKWARAYA : TPR- TUAN MUHAMMAD SYAFIQ BIN MOHD GHAZALI
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Are you able to get the alasan penghakiman for first Appeal, where High Court overturn Magistrate Court Judgement and found a prima facie case against Ke Ting?
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QUOTE(chewkokwah1979 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:29 AM)
Are you able to get the alasan penghakiman for first Appeal, where High Court overturn Magistrate Court Judgement and found a prima facie case against Ke Ting?
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Nope. It is not on the e judgement website. Since I’m not lawyer, i dunno if it’s usual for them to publish alasan for appeal.

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 10:28 AM)
LMAO..

Police investigate because a report is made...police dont take what is stated in the report as the truth..

Thats why u dont understand hearsay. Hearsay doesnt apply to police. Its a rule codified in Evidence Act 1950, only relates to evidence bang. Only in Court.

No where did I say dismiss the report or police cannot carry investigation based report. But one cannot go to court and use the police report to prove the contents. But then again I dont think you understand..so lets just agree todisagree
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I think 1 can go to the court with the police report to prove its contents provided the content is comprehensive and detail as court documents with all the expert witnessess opinion inside. That is going to be a hell of a police report and I doubt it is going to costs Rm1 or Rm3, not sure. 😂😂😂
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:31 AM)
Nope. It is not on the ehakim website.  Since I’m not lawyer, i dunno if it’s usual for them to publish alasan for appeal.
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Once leave granted, HC must write grounds...whether full grounds, abridge grounds or even summary grounds.

Whether it is published or not, that depends if it is uploaded by ekehakiman.
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QUOTE(letitsnow @ Apr 15 2022, 10:21 AM)
LOL trying to pull lawyer trick on me.  biggrin.gif
I understand your previous well. you previous post is you trying to say police report is merely a "hearsay" because "police could give different story vs the lodger". you yourself said. not me.  biggrin.gif
so all this while police only start investigating based on 'hearsay''. LMAO
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Ok, to make things clear, actually First information report is also very important to help in the defense stage because that is the first opportunity for you to tell the side of your story and so the police can investigate your claim and can increase your trustworthiness. If the police never investigate properly, then it will be at your advantage also. The problem now is that she changed her story last minute and somemore under an unsworn statement without the opportunity for the DPP to cross-check her statement. And it seems much information was concealed.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 15 2022, 10:32 AM)
I think 1 can go to the court with the police report to prove its contents provided the content is comprehensive and detail as court documents with all the expert witnessess opinion inside. That is going to be a hell of a police report and I doubt it is going to costs Rm1 or Rm3, not sure. 😂😂😂
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Report as standalone ..nope.

But if you have supporting documents and/or expert opinion reports, provided these are admitted yes.

Evidence must be direct. So, if the assertion in the report can be proved by direct evidence, it no longer hearsay.

A simple concept but many dont get it
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QUOTE(letitsnow @ Apr 15 2022, 09:42 AM)
dafuq? isn't after police type it out, they will show it to lodger first to verify before it was printed out? if police report cant be used, then what the point of lodge it anyway? now we want to dismiss police report pulak? LOL
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Apr 15 2022, 10:32 AM)
I think 1 can go to the court with the police report to prove its contents provided the content is comprehensive and detail as court documents with all the expert witnessess opinion inside. That is going to be a hell of a police report and I doubt it is going to costs Rm1 or Rm3, not sure. 😂😂😂
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you dont undersrtand the motive the guy try to downplay the content of police report. Since Sam statement is contradictory between her police report and in court, so s/he try to raise the doubt that the officer MIGHT give different narrative versus what Sam trying to say during lodging the report.

I can agree police report content is doubtful IF comparing statement from different person. But in this case, its from the same person. so the story supposed to be consistent and add up well. doesnt matter if it police report, diary, letter, story in court, etc.
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:00 AM)
according joe_star intellectual, if 100 people here say you are a criminal, then you are a proven criminal. No need any fact or evidence to support one.
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:35 AM)
Ok, to make things clear, actually First information report is also very important to help in the defense stage because that is the first opportunity for you to tell the side of your story and so the police can investigate your claim and can increase your trustworthiness. If the police never investigate properly, then it will be at your advantage also. The problem now is that she changed her story last minute and somemore under an unsworn statement without the opportunity for the DPP to cross-check her statement. And it seems much information was concealed.
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Dunno..we dont have Magistrate decision in 2021 right..? So no idea how many witnesses called for defence.

Say if Sam is the sole person giving evidence, yes....probably she is screwed for opting unsworn statement.
But if other witnesses can give evidence under oath for her, there a reasonable doubt can be established.

The fact is that the Court will look at the evidence as a whole and not piecemeal basis. And evidence can be gather from all sources, need not just from the Defendant aje. So even assuming she lied, its only her credibility as a witness is tarnished. By the choice of making an unsworn statement, it doesnt mattter as her evidence had little value in the first place.

The crux of it will be whether the Defence managed to raise reasonable doubt from other witnesses.
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:43 AM)
Any legal expert or PDRM can explain why "Salinan Tidak Boleh Digunakan Untuk Tuntutan dan Pembicaraan di Mahkamah"?

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I already explained but apparently letitsnow is smarter than me..

Oh well he win liao lor...

I am not paid to change someone views here, unlike in Court.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 10:31 AM)
Nope. It is not on the e judgement  website.  Since I’m not lawyer, i dunno if it’s usual for them to publish alasan for appeal.
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They would. Just need to wait for some time, the summary was there to cover the short notice, GoJ need to give some time for a proper write-up. Furthemore, since an appeal is coming, definitely would be done within a few weeks.
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 10:48 AM)
Dunno..we dont have Magistrate decision in 2021 right..? So no idea how many witnesses called for defence.

Say if Sam is the sole person giving evidence, yes....probably she is screwed for opting unsworn statement.
But if other witnesses can give evidence under oath for her, there a reasonable doubt can be established.

The fact is that the Court will look at the evidence as a whole and not piecemeal basis. And evidence can be gather from all sources, need not just from the Defendant aje. So even assuming she lied, its only her credibility as a witness is tarnished. By the choice of making an unsworn statement, it doesnt mattter as her evidence had little value in the first place.

The crux of it will be whether the Defence managed to raise reasonable doubt from other witnesses.
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It's never easy to win cases. Cannot just sit there and do nothing. When it reaches defense stage, you must either prove the witnesses are not trustworthy, prove any documents are not credible, or cast reasonable doubts.

You should only go for unsworn statement if you are pretty sure you have evidence to back up your story in your unsworn statement. This part , her lawyer has failed.
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 10:50 AM)
I already explained but apparently letitsnow is smarter than me..

Oh well he win liao lor...

I am not paid to change someone views here, unlike in Court.
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Lol. Just ignore him. There's tonnes of loyar buruk here in /k.
Him included.
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QUOTE(letitsnow @ Apr 15 2022, 10:46 AM)
you dont undersrtand the motive the guy try to downplay the content of police report. Since Sam statement is contradictory between her police report and in court, so s/he try to raise the doubt that the officer MIGHT give different narrative versus what Sam trying to say during lodging the report.

I can agree police report content is doubtful IF comparing statement from different person. But in this case, its from the same person. so the story supposed to be consistent and add up well. doesnt matter if it police report, diary, letter, story in court, etc.
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dah terang nak bersuluh?

Assuming you position is correct then say tomorrow I go report that you bang me. You then go report say I bang you.

So.....BOTH reports true la...

Means I bang you and you bang me lor...KNNMCB liao like that
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Ini semua salahan budak lajak same as those roadside stalls mushrooming at every roadside. When accident happen and life is taken will you condemn the roadside stalls or the driver?
They shouldn't setup stalls at the road side in the first place why no action to prevent it. It just waiting for disaster to happen then only all the buzzing action.

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 11:11 AM)
dah terang nak bersuluh?

Assuming you position is correct then say tomorrow I go report that you bang me. You then go report say I bang you.

So.....BOTH reports true la...

Means I bang you and you bang me lor...KNNMCB liao like that
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why you still entertain me? tongue.gif I banged you? LOL I guess I nailed it no pun intended. LMAO

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why you still entertain me?  tongue.gif I banged you? LOL I guess I nailed it no pun intended. LMAO
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 14 2022, 12:49 PM)
you got take clp or not? danger to have quality like this. I am sorry, just that worry if the standard of our lawyers is weak.

DPP only prove prima facie at the end of the prosecution case, not right to trial. Once prima facie is proven, then you only can cast doubt if defence is called.
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QUOTE(letitsnow @ Apr 15 2022, 11:18 AM)
why you still entertain me?  tongue.gif I banged you? LOL I guess I nailed it no pun intended. LMAO
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OK noted.


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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 11:11 AM)
dah terang nak bersuluh?

Assuming you position is correct then say tomorrow I go report that you bang me. You then go report say I bang you.

So.....BOTH reports true la...

Means I bang you and you bang me lor...KNNMCB liao like that
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Kanina

Itu report it amoi sam ke ting yg lodge lah
Why she want to frame herself?

Legal field konon.. mcm sohai je
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 11:29 AM)
Kanina

Itu report it amoi sam ke ting yg lodge lah
Why she want to frame herself?

Legal field konon.. mcm sohai je
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OK I ignored letitsnow.

Now you....kawan ada nampak tak disclaimer kat bawah Laporan polis itu...???????

Apa tu...."tak boleh digunakan untuk tuntutan dan perbicaraan di Mahkamah kan"

kalau tak ada duit nak beli cermin mata..saya sedekahkan..bulan puasa mesti buat banyak pahala.

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 11:39 AM)
OK I ignored letitsnow.

Now you....kawan ada nampak tak disclaimer kat bawah Laporan polis itu...???????

Apa tu...."tak boleh digunakan untuk tuntutan dan perbicaraan di Mahkamah kan"

kalau tak ada duit nak beli cermin mata..saya sedekahkan..bulan puasa mesti buat banyak pahala.

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Ya, what the purpose then?

She lodge the report bukan for mahkamah but
To protect herself


U think rammed 30 people and worried about mahkamah that time?

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Why her friend dont want to be a witness? If she driving with her? 50Kmh is not something u can cicirkan 10 tiang
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QUOTE(Bartholomew S @ Apr 14 2022, 04:40 PM)
Think logic, if you play bowling, you baling bola at 10 km/h how many ten pin bowl will jatuh? Probably 1 or 2. But if the bowl at 50 km/h probably you hit 10 out of 10 ten pin jatuh. If the car hit the budak at 50 km/h maybe 1 budak died. It must be the amoi driving dangerously and speedy.
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Owai 10 tiang ten pin logic again ... are you the same person with multiple dupes ?
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 11:44 AM)
Owai 10 tiang ten pin logic again  ... are you the same person with multiple dupes ?
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Haiya always dupe dupe dupe
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 11:42 AM)
Ya, what the purpose then?

She lodge the report bukan for mahkamah but
To protect herself
U think rammed 30 people and worried about mahkamah that time?
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So apa you nak pusing here? dah lah ada disclaimer nak berdegil pulak.

All you want to say she lied right? Maybe true she lied. Tapi does it make any difference or not?

But dont put the cart before the horse. First of all can the contents of the statement be accepted in Court first? You tell me lor with the disclaimer?

Secondly, she elected to give unsowrn statement, ie her credibility is also gone as her evidence has little value.
So does it even matter if she lied or not? Whether she is a credible witness or not is moot as her evidence has little value.

banyak in /k nak jadi expert in law konon, tapi basic pun tak erti.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 11:42 AM)
Ya, what the purpose then?

She lodge the report bukan for mahkamah but
To protect herself
U think rammed 30 people and worried about mahkamah that time?
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 11:49 AM)
So apa you nak pusing here? dah lah ada disclaimer nak berdegil pulak.

All you want to say she lied right? Maybe true she lied. Tapi does it make any difference or not?

But dont put the cart before the horse. First of all can the contents of the statement be accepted in Court first? You tell me lor with the disclaimer?

Secondly, she elected to give unsowrn statement, ie her credibility is also gone as her evidence has little value.
So does it even matter if she lied or not? Whether she is a credible witness or not is moot as her evidence has little value.

banyak in /k nak jadi expert in law konon, tapi basic pun tak erti.
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So u agree she lied right
U said it..


When she go to court she change statement right?
Then go higher court putar another statement? “ other” car plak rammed the kid

So how can u trust her in this?

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 11:57 AM)
So u agree she lied right
U said it..
When she go to court she change statement right?
Then go higher court putar another statement? “ other” car plak rammed the kid

So how can u trust her in this?
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Your comprehension terrible

Maybe true =/= yes.

You show me where in High Court she changed her statement? High Court retrial ke or rehearing? Tak faham process jgm main tembak.

Nope I don't trust her but I trust the evidence.
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 12:05 PM)
Your comprehension terrible

Maybe true =/= yes.

You show me where in High Court she changed her statement? High Court retrial ke or rehearing? Tak faham process jgm main tembak.

Nope I don't trust her but I trust the evidence.
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whoa banyak juga loyar2, judjes2, CSI experts here
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 11:39 AM)
OK I ignored letitsnow.

Now you....kawan ada nampak tak disclaimer kat bawah Laporan polis itu...???????

Apa tu...."tak boleh digunakan untuk tuntutan dan perbicaraan di Mahkamah kan"

kalau tak ada duit nak beli cermin mata..saya sedekahkan..bulan puasa mesti buat banyak pahala.

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Errr, bruv that disclaimer is just to point out that particular print copy cannot be tendered in court, but a certified true copy of the same report by the police can be tendered. Konfius public nanti. darkLapland

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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 12:27 PM)
Errr, bruv that disclaimer is just to point out that particular print copy cannot be tendered in court, but a certified true copy of the same report by the police can be tendered. Konfius public nanti. darkLapland
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Oh now faham. So we can use the original copy
Mane budal legal tu? So sohai


I wanna go solat jumaat 1st


Too many sohai need to be educate

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:30 PM)
Oh now faham. So we can use the original copy
Mane budal legal tu? So sohai
I wanna go solat jumaat 1st
Too many sohai need to be educate
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hati sudah busuk buat apa solat lagi laugh.gif
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 11:57 AM)
So u agree she lied right
U said it..
When she go to court she change statement right?
Then go higher court putar another statement? “ other” car plak rammed the kid

So how can u trust her in this?
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It's not important if we trust her or not. We trust MIROS and the police. They say she didn't speed/didn't Drink and Drive/didn't user HP and cannot see the victim from the vantage point.
Sohai like you still don't understand? Always wanna see the case guilty or not is whether can trust or not. That's why mati mati dowan believe Jibby guilty even with all the proof and mati mati defend loyat thief, tahfiz liwat because pakai kopiah dan jubah solat tak tinggal takkan boleh buat benda jahat?
When got forensic evidence and proof from 3rd party.

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hati sudah busuk buat apa solat lagi  laugh.gif
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hati sudah busuk buat apa solat lagi  laugh.gif
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Lepas solat can start fitnah again until next friday. Go empty rubbish bin ma.
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 12:27 PM)
Errr, bruv that disclaimer is just to point out that particular print copy cannot be tendered in court, but a certified true copy of the same report by the police can be tendered. Konfius public nanti. darkLapland
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LOL the police report matters in court afterall?. kahkahkah.

that lau ya so powderful. LMAO.


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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 12:27 PM)
Errr, bruv that disclaimer is just to point out that particular print copy cannot be tendered in court, but a certified true copy of the same report by the police can be tendered. Konfius public nanti. darkLapland
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 12:30 PM)
Oh now faham. So we can use the original copy
Mane budal legal tu? So sohai
I wanna go solat jumaat 1st
Too many sohai need to be educate
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QUOTE(letitsnow @ Apr 15 2022, 12:51 PM)
LOL the police report matters in court afterall?. kahkahkah.

that lau ya so powderful. LMAO.
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Tak baik ini macam.. half truths and selective. Nanti public also konfius ya...

MsGaijin I know where you got your answer..google kan ada?

Nah I pass the source to you all...baca baik baik ya....

https://asklegal.my/p/photocopy-best-eviden...public-document

After reading in full...siapa bodoh siapa pandai boleh dinilaikan...
the CTC yang kononya boleh digunakan tu... ada batasnya.

Lihat baik baik "Salinan diakui Sah boleh digunakan untuk Tuntutan Sivil Sahaja"

Oh mai................guess our case is a civil kes. Sorry la my bad.. I bodo.

Anyway...kita lihat the police report yang shown by our learned darkLapland....got ctc or not???

But then again I accept, I lawyer bodo...nasib baik dapat drive BMW and stay in Bungalow..



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Tak habis habis.

Sudahlah, at least the kids die doing what they love.
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 01:34 PM)
Tak baik ini macam.. half truths and selective. Nanti public also konfius ya...

MsGaijin I know where you got your answer..google kan ada?

Nah I pass the source to you all...baca baik baik ya....

https://asklegal.my/p/photocopy-best-eviden...public-document

After reading in full...siapa bodoh siapa pandai boleh dinilaikan...
the CTC yang kononya boleh digunakan tu... ada batasnya.

Lihat baik baik "Salinan diakui Sah boleh digunakan untuk Tuntutan Sivil Sahaja"

Oh mai................guess our case is a civil kes. Sorry la my bad.. I bodo.

Anyway...kita lihat the police report yang shown by our learned darkLapland....got ctc or not???

But then again I accept, I lawyer bodo...nasib baik dapat drive BMW and stay in Bungalow..
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criminal case of course the police investigation report is what court refer to.

you know, anyone can fill any police report and say sun raise from west
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 15 2022, 01:41 PM)
criminal case of course the police investigation report is what court refer to.

you know, anyone can fill any police report and say sun raise from west
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What to do..some lapsap people here will call the officer taking the report as witness rather than the IO.

Why, because the police report is true..IO investigation itu tipu punya...serious dumb
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 09:31 AM)
So u depend on statement rather than real life condition with graphical image?
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Oh maha sohai (your fav name calling), so you depend on a single graphical image (at one misleading angle) rather than real life independent police officer and expert witness that were present at the site.

Your inference based on the graphical image has been proven wrong repeatedly or you are insisting that ALL the key PDRM officers are lying (officers that were physically at the site at the night in question). Penipu calling other people penipu is it ???


[75] Tambahan itu, situasi jalan di kawasan kemalangan yang sedikit berselekoh dan gelap pada jam 3 pagi tersebut menjadikan OKT tidak boleh menjangkakan kewujudan kumpulan basikal lajak tersebut. Selekoh yang gelap tersebut disahkan oleh SP41 selaku anggota MPV Polis yang paling awal sampai di kawasan kemalangan apabila beliau mendapati satu lampu jalan di batu pembahagi jalan yang berada di A3 (P2) gagal berfungsi. Pekara ini juga dengan jelas ditunjukkan dalam pemeriksaan balas SP44 yang telah hadir di lokasi kemalangan pada jam 3.30 pagi, secara verbatim seperti berikut:

SP44
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S : Dia terlindung juga sebab dia berbukit dan berselekoh? J : Ya.
S : Dan antara anggota MPV yang pertama sekali sampai di tempat tu iaitu Lans/ Koperal Taufik. Lans/ Koperal Taufik katakan lampu di pembahagi jalan kalau Inspektor tengok pada rajah kasar, Lans/ Koperal Taufik kata dia nampak lampu di A3 ni tak menyala. Jadi dia katakan kawasan tersebut dia malap dan gelap kerana lampu di A3 ni tak menyala? J : Setuju.

S : Jadi dalam foto P 199, ada gambar – gambar lampu jalan tapi kalau tengok angle gambar – gambar tu, gambar tu menunjukkan lampu di A3. Yang nampak cuma.. maksud saya walaupun dalam gambar P 199 tu nampak lampu menyala tapi gambar P 199 tak menunjukkan lampu yang di A3 ini. Dia cuma tunjukkan lampu menyala yang di atas. Walaupun di lorong A3 tapi di atas? J : Ya, betul.

PB : P 199 tidak tunjuk gambar lampu di A3.

S : Jadi maknanya munasabah tak kalau Lans/ Koperal Taufik bila dia kata tempat tu malap dan gelap kerana yang terang adalah lampu yang menyala di atas ni dalam gambar tu P 199 tadi, Inspektor ada cakap lorong kanan terang, lorong tengah terang. Kalau tengok gambar tu nampak terang. Tapi soalan saya, bila lampu yang Lans/ Koperal nampak malap di A3 ni jadi kawasan ni tak terang? J : Setuju.


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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:41 PM)
Other vehicle hit that the kids. Bukan me

suka suka tipu mahkamah
kalau tak tipu bukan...
"In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath.

“The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...ail-for/2053265
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Which part of it says she never hit the kids
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 01:34 PM)
Tak baik ini macam.. half truths and selective. Nanti public also konfius ya...

MsGaijin I know where you got your answer..google kan ada?

Nah I pass the source to you all...baca baik baik ya....

https://asklegal.my/p/photocopy-best-eviden...public-document

After reading in full...siapa bodoh siapa pandai boleh dinilaikan...
the CTC yang kononya boleh digunakan tu... ada batasnya.

Lihat baik baik "Salinan diakui Sah boleh digunakan untuk Tuntutan Sivil Sahaja"

Oh mai................guess our case is a civil kes. Sorry la my bad.. I bodo.

Anyway...kita lihat the police report yang shown by our learned darkLapland....got ctc or not???

But then again I accept, I lawyer bodo...nasib baik dapat drive BMW and stay in Bungalow..
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LOL, go read back your CPC la~ defaq, you’ve been scamming your clients all these while arr to buy your BMW and bungalow?

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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 02:15 PM)
LOL, go read back your CPC la~ defaq, you’ve been scamming your clients all these while arr to buy your BMW and bungalow?
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Janji I got my fees paid. Syiok sendiri kan bagus.

CPC hahaha...bet you don't know where is what..

Whatever..just answer me lah..you took the ctc line from the asklegal site kan...? Now cannot show cpc section mana says can tender police report kan?

EVIDENCE Act buddy


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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 02:15 PM)
LOL, go read back your CPC la~ defaq, you’ve been scamming your clients all these while arr to buy your BMW and bungalow?
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Let me help you.

The police report, or formally known as the first information report, refers to the initial information relating to the commission of an offence given to the police officer under the procedure laid down in section 107 of the Criminal Procedure Code.

However, it should be noted that the police report is not substantive evidence for proving its facts but it can be used for corroboration or contradiction of those facts (see Tan Cheng Kooi & Anor v Public Prosecutor [1972] 2 MLJ 115).
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 02:20 PM)
Janji I got my fees paid. Syiok sendiri kan bagus.

CPC hahaha...bet you don't know where is what..

Whatever..just answer me lah..you took the ctc line from the asklegal site kan...? Now cannot show cpc section mana says can tender police report kan?

EVIDENCE Act buddy
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Lol, kalau kau betul baca CPC, kau tak tanya aku kat mana nak cari provision tu. laugh.gif

desmond2020, cun dah tu, baca sikit je lagi~
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 02:26 PM)
Lol, kalau kau betul baca CPC, kau tak tanya aku kat mana nak cari provision tu. laugh.gif

desmond2020, cun dah tu, baca sikit je lagi~
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It says police report is like hearsay, no value unless callborate with other evidence


You understand or not?
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 02:26 PM)
Lol, kalau kau betul baca CPC, kau tak tanya aku kat mana nak cari provision tu. laugh.gif

desmond2020, cun dah tu, baca sikit je lagi~
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Fuh lawyer senior ni? Terbaek...

Pasal keterangan..admissibility of evidence is govern by CPC..kek

Sorry la..I budak baru kelaur uni...mai kasi name.. be my Counsel in Court.

Kek
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 02:26 PM)
Lol, kalau kau betul baca CPC, kau tak tanya aku kat mana nak cari provision tu. laugh.gif

desmond2020, cun dah tu, baca sikit je lagi~
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Show where it says that police report is evidence?
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 15 2022, 02:27 PM)
It says police report is like hearsay, no value unless callborate with other evidence
You understand or not?
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Tak habis baca CPC lagi ni, and the issue brought up by you in the first place was to question TS whether the report is admissible as evidence in court or not. I stand corrected if your initial intention against TS is different from my understanding.

Corroborated evidence is still evidence.

My guess, you’re not a criminal litigant?
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Show where it says that police report is evidence?
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Let the fella keep digging...he is famous to be a troll.

The funny thing is that when he trolls some belip...ahahahahahaha


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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 01:34 PM)
Tak baik ini macam.. half truths and selective. Nanti public also konfius ya...

MsGaijin I know where you got your answer..google kan ada?

Nah I pass the source to you all...baca baik baik ya....

https://asklegal.my/p/photocopy-best-eviden...public-document

After reading in full...siapa bodoh siapa pandai boleh dinilaikan...
the CTC yang kononya boleh digunakan tu... ada batasnya.

Lihat baik baik "Salinan diakui Sah boleh digunakan untuk Tuntutan Sivil Sahaja"

Oh mai................guess our case is a civil kes. Sorry la my bad.. I bodo.

Anyway...kita lihat the police report yang shown by our learned darkLapland....got ctc or not???

But then again I accept, I lawyer bodo...nasib baik dapat drive BMW and stay in Bungalow..
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no law to say it must be certified true copy for the criminal case since in the end still the prosecution to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. Importantly the owner of the documents must testify or else the prosecution may challenge the document. And FIR is only for corroborative purposes. You still need to prove the content. Only in the circumstances, your original one is lost then your photocopy sure not admissible already. But FIR is always in the system, so no dpp will challenge.

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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 02:33 PM)
Tak habis baca CPC lagi ni, and the issue brought up by you in the first place was to question TS whether the report is admissible as evidence in court or not. I stand corrected if your initial intention against TS is different from my understanding.

Corroborated evidence is still evidence.

My guess, you’re not a criminal litigant?
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an evidence that won't stand on it own like bebenang basah.

that is what hearsay mean

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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 02:33 PM)
Tak habis baca CPC lagi ni, and the issue brought up by you in the first place was to question TS whether the report is admissible as evidence in court or not. I stand corrected if your initial intention against TS is different from my understanding.

Corroborated evidence is still evidence.

My guess, you’re not a criminal litigant?
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Can a police report be used as evidence in court? I'm not lawyer, really wanna know. So if I go police report say that my neighbor do something can I use that police report as proof that my neighbour did something?
OR is that the police report is only proof that I MADE a police report.
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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Apr 15 2022, 02:35 PM)
Can a police report be used as evidence in court? I'm not lawyer, really wanna know. So if I go police report say that my neighbor do something can I use that police report as proof that my neighbour did something?
OR is that the police report is only proof that I MADE a police report.
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Based on this, there would be so many case won instantly by just making police report

👀🤭
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 01:45 PM)
What to do..some lapsap people here will call the officer taking the report as witness rather than the IO.

Why, because the police report is true..IO investigation itu tipu punya...serious dumb
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DPP will call both as prosecution witnesses la~ tepuk dahi
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 02:34 PM)
no law to say it must be certified true copy for the criminal case since in the end still the prosecution to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. Importantly the owner of the documents must testify or else the prosecution may challenge the document. And FIR is only for corroborative purposes. You still need to prove the content. Only in the circumstances, your original one is lost then your photocopy sure not admissible already. But FIR is always in the system, so no dpp will challenge.
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Why the hell this scammer with no clp ( maybe no degree of any kind also?) still trying to talk like lawyer? Better just stick to labeling ppl evil and retribution and karma la
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 15 2022, 02:38 PM)
Based on this, there would be so many case won instantly by just making police report

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so police report is like bebenang basah, no value unless collaborated with other evidence
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Lol.. appeal later.. dapat x 12 years sentences.

Then for those who sign the petition will cry there are no justice. Lawless country. Bla bla bla.

Kesian.

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 15 2022, 02:38 PM)
Based on this, there would be so many case won instantly by just making police report

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When u change you statement , surely you lie. When police report was made up you relates what actual happened.
She twist, but still up to court to decide. In this case judge found she guilty of negligent.
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QUOTE(diffyhelman2 @ Apr 15 2022, 02:40 PM)
Why the hell this scammer with no clp ( maybe no degree of any kind also?) still trying to talk like lawyer? Better just stick to labeling ppl evil and retribution and karma la
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Uneducated and non professional like you are shameless and only can resort to slander. Be patient as bad karma may be slow in punishing you for being an evil. If really a scammer, then where is the victims? So dont blame when you reincarnated as animals next life. You ask for it like 9w2w
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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Apr 15 2022, 02:38 PM)
Based on this, there would be so many case won instantly by just making police report

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Well, that's what the sohais here are arguing. Police report content means proof liao.
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 15 2022, 01:41 PM)
criminal case of course the police investigation report is what court refer to.

you know, anyone can fill any police report and say sun raise from west
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believe this person also made many police reports against ktard here right?

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/536650
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 02:33 PM)
Tak habis baca CPC lagi ni, and the issue brought up by you in the first place was to question TS whether the report is admissible as evidence in court or not. I stand corrected if your initial intention against TS is different from my understanding.

Corroborated evidence is still evidence.

My guess, you’re not a criminal litigant?
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No buddy..what TS implied because in Sam's police report said car overturned after collision so she lied. He stated because her report was first hand, so it must be true.

I took a differing view, says the contents of the police report are hearsay..as rightfully pointed out by the fellows here.

So, back to basics, if the contents are no admissible, how can she be said have lied.

I know I know she can discredited if her testimonies doesn't gel, that is totally different from what TS had argued first. Ie Police report says car overturned after impact.

If you are any lawyer worth of salt, you will know admissibility of evidence is govern by Evidence Act 1950


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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Apr 15 2022, 02:42 PM)
Well, that's what the sohais here are arguing. Police report content means proof liao.
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It will relate to further things also like the investigation of the police. There are many decided cases already if the police not doing their job nicely until you are prejudiced, then you are in advantage. Because you already tell your story, and the prosecution cannot prove your story is unreal especially useful in 1vs1 situation. Like one police words against your word. He claimed the drugs found in your room. But you already made report you are not the tenant of the room. So the ball is on the prosecution to prove you are the tenant there. SO your FIR will be useful.
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QUOTE(badmilk @ Apr 15 2022, 02:42 PM)
Lol.. appeal later.. dapat x 12 years sentences.

Then for those who sign the petition will cry there are no justice. Lawless country. Bla bla bla.

Kesian.
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if she kena 12 years, I will represent her pro bono for a review in Court of Appeal.

Duh max S41 sentence is 10 year buddy...
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Well, that's what the sohais here are arguing. Police report content means proof liao.
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He sohai

So i can simply go to police station an make
Report palsu?

Since IO will investigate the true story?

What bullshit is this




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if she kena 12 years, I will represent her pro bono for a review in Court of Appeal.

Duh max S41 sentence is 10 year buddy...
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Ceh lawya buruk btol

Baru ade bmw and banglo sudah berlagak


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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Apr 15 2022, 02:35 PM)
Can a police report be used as evidence in court? I'm not lawyer, really wanna know. So if I go police report say that my neighbor do something can I use that police report as proof that my neighbour did something?
OR is that the police report is only proof that I MADE a police report.
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yes, corroboratively most of the times. If not to be used as evidence, I would definitely question the prosecution on where did they get such information to charge my client in the first place.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:48 PM)
He sohai

So i can simply go to police station an make
Report palsu?

Since IO will investigate the true story?

What bullshit is this
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Report palsu/tak tepat is so common la sohai. You are the idiot that say police report means the truth, no need investigation liao. Since you ignore ALL the evidence given by IO and also the MIROS and other forensic expert and just say "tHE pOlICe rEpOrT" meaning all the evidence must be set aside because it contradicts the police report lol.

Dah balik solat ke? Dah boleh continue fitnah?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:48 PM)
He sohai

So i can simply go to police station an make
Report palsu?

Since IO will investigate the true story?

What bullshit is this
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you go ask lah police, how many fake report they get each day?


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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Apr 15 2022, 02:49 PM)
yes, corroboratively most of the times. If not to be used as evidence, I would definitely question the prosecution on where did they get such information to charge my client in the first place.
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But darkLapland say she is guilty based on the police report wor. So meaning police report is the MAIN evidence? So police report is only the first step correct? Like the reason to investigate?

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So i hit some kids in the middle of road
Then i go to police station and make report of the incident.. but i tipu2 report only.. say kete terbalik etc.

The masuk mahkamah i let the IO & investegator buat kerja to find the truth. I just sit diam diam sahaja


Wow.. so freaking woww

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 02:47 PM)
if she kena 12 years, I will represent her pro bono for a review in Court of Appeal.

Duh max S41 sentence is 10 year buddy...
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multiple count bruh

8 x 10 = 80

anyway, that won't stick anyway

edit:- eh no, don't work like this for this charge, should be single offense, so max is 10 years, even cause death of 8

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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Apr 15 2022, 02:51 PM)
But darkLapland say she is guilty based on the police report wor. So meaning police report is the MAIN evidence? So police report is only the first step correct? Like the reason to investigate?
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I dont say that..
I said she know she hit the kids, then terbabas and terbalik.


From the Witnesses report
“After the kids tersedar, they reliazed crowd is turtling the car”

So in between the incident and the boys sedar, the car already terbalik.. maybe just diff side.. not turtle up

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:53 PM)
So i hit some kids in the middle of road
Then i go to police station and make report of the incident.. but i tipu2  report only.. say kete terbalik etc.

The masuk mahkamah i let the IO & investegator buat kerja to find the truth. I just sit diam diam sahaja
Wow.. so freaking woww
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which part of her report say kereta terbalik?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:41 PM)
Other vehicle hit that the kids. Bukan me

suka suka tipu mahkamah
kalau tak tipu bukan...
"In his judgment, Abu Bakar said the Magistrate’s Court has erred in failing to decide the respondent’s defence without being under oath.

“The respondent, in her defence, stated that she did not see the group of cyclists at the scene of incident and there were other vehicle that hit the deceased bicycles and drove away. This version had never been raised by the respondent during the prosecution case."

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/202...ail-for/2053265
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 15 2022, 02:56 PM)
which part of her report say kereta terbalik?
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Baca malas
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:57 PM)
Baca malas
Keep asking same question
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highlight mana dia cakap kereta terbalik


ini fiftnah ja pandai
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 15 2022, 02:58 PM)
highlight mana dia cakap kereta terbalik
ini fiftnah ja pandai
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Bacalah sohai


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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:48 PM)
Ceh lawya buruk btol

Baru ade bmw and banglo sudah berlagak
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Dah dah..i am still waiting for your CTC police report which was admitted into Court..because I nak show how stupid you are. Statement mana....? Jalan terus tu..you want me to requote that line again or not?

Bla bla ba..ohh CTC tu.....bla bla bla.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:55 PM)
I dont say that..
I said she know she hit the kids, then terbabas and terbalik.
From the Witnesses report
“After the kids tersedar, they reliazed crowd is turtling the car

So in between the incident and the boys sedar, the car already terbalik.. maybe just diff side.. not turtle up
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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Hahaha ,,, crowd "turtling the car" ... maybe just diff side ... ini macam kelakuan tak bersenonoh

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:58 PM)
Bacalah sohai
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according to MsGaijin mesti ada CTC...mana CTC tu??

Mane mane....lol
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:58 PM)
Bacalah sohai
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I dun belip almera can easy turtle at 50km unless proven with expert.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:58 PM)
Bacalah sohai
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ini polis report u type sendiri punya?

mana sgt punya sign? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:00 PM)
Hahaha ,,, crowd "turtling the car" ... maybe just diff side ... ini macam kelakuan tak bersenonoh
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Ofcourse lah.. car terbalik and hempap a kids
Crowd come and turtle up the car to get the kid out.


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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:02 PM)
ini polis report u type sendiri punya?

mana sgt punya sign?  laugh.gif
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So many excuse
Report police also type sindri

Bodo btol
No wonder people call desmond the sohai

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:03 PM)
Ofcourse lah.. car terbalik and hempap a kids
Crowd come and turtle up the car to get the kid out.
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Janganlah tipu dan fitnah. Your own words below. Spin sampai pening ni.

QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:04 PM)
Janganlah tipu dan fitnah.  Your own words below.  Spin sampai pening ni.
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That the final outcome lah.. when police & ambulance are here
Car already on the position

So lemah cant think simply things

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:04 PM)
So many excuse
Report police also type sindri

Bodo btol
No wonder people call desmond the sohai
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:05 PM)
That the final outcome lah.. when police & ambulance are here
Car already on the position

So lemah cant think simply things
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MIROS cakap kereta tak total lost, boleh repair dengan kerosakan minimal

so percaya MIROS kah, percaya troll JKOM macam kau?
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 02:44 PM)
No buddy..what TS implied because in Sam's police report said car overturned after collision so she lied. He stated because her report was first hand, so it must be true.

I took a differing view, says the contents of the police report are hearsay..as rightfully pointed out by the fellows here.

So, back to basics, if the contents are no admissible, how can she be said have lied.

I know I know she can discredited if her testimonies doesn't gel, that is totally different from what TS had argued first. Ie Police report says car overturned after impact.

If you are any lawyer worth of salt, you will know admissibility of evidence is govern by Evidence Act 1950
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A fair comment from you on TS’ intention. But may I add as well, apart from EA1950, in criminal cases, admissibility of evidence is also governed by CPC.

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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:06 PM)
MIROS cakap kereta tak total lost, boleh repair dengan kerosakan minimal

so percaya MIROS kah, percaya troll JKOM macam kau?
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This kind of damage? Still very light accident?


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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:58 PM)
Bacalah sohai
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:08 PM)
This kind of damage? Still very light accident?
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you tanya MIROS lah

mereka expert, kau cume troll JKOM
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:01 PM)
I dun belip almera can easy turtle at 50km unless proven with expert.
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Real life actual witness (two some more) at the scene and directly involved testified that " telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian".

You still insisting that she was speeding hence car turn turtle ... janganlah memfitnah mangsa kemalangan sebagai penipu.

"[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku.

Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian.

Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan."
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:09 PM)
Real life actual witness (two some more) at the scene and directly involved testified that " telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian". 

You still insisting that she was speeding hence car turn turtle ... janganlah memfitnah mangsa kemalangan sebagai penipu.

"[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku.

Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian.

Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan."
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See got time buffer.

So when the witness belum sedar, maybe the car terbalik..
As what in her police report

But some kids stuck there, then te crowd push & turtle up the car to get the kid out

During that time baru witness sedar

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:08 PM)
This kind of damage? Still very light accident?
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Already confirmed that the post accident mob trashed her car. Later said want to see got trapped victim under the car or not. Which is bullshit. No one knows how to squat is it?
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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Apr 15 2022, 03:12 PM)
Already confirmed that the post accident mob trashed her car. Later said want to see got trapped victim under the car or not. Which is bullshit. No one knows how to squat is it?
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Trashed using wat? Do you see the car condition?
U sepak also cant do anything
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:11 PM)
See got time buffer.

So when the witness belum sedar, maybe the car terbalik..
As what in her police report

But some kids stuck there, then te crowd push & turtle up the car to get the kid out

During that time baru witness sedar
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Keep digging bro...

I will now just watch, gelak and eat popcorn
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:09 PM)
Real life actual witness (two some more) at the scene and directly involved testified that " telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian". 

You still insisting that she was speeding hence car turn turtle ... janganlah memfitnah mangsa kemalangan sebagai penipu.

"[19] Malangnya, pihak pendakwaan juga tidak meminta mana-mana saksi mata untuk mengecam pemandu motorkar di mahkamah terutamanya SP9 dalam keterangannya mengesahkan beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera dalam keadaan terdesak dan ketakutan selepas kemalangan belaku.

Manakala SP10 dan SP11, mereka ini adalah mangsa kemalangan yang telah sedarkan diri ketika melihat motorkar tersebut diterbalikkan oleh orang awam di tempat kejadian.

Ketiadaan penjelasan pihak pendakwaan atas kegagalan saksi-saksi ini terutamanya SP9 untuk mengecam OKT di mahkamah amat memprejudiskan kes pendakwaan kerana beliau nampak pemandu motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dalam keadaan ketakutan."
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I refer to the FIR made by the girl. Because if the girl is not telling the truth can impeach her. It's not looking good at all.
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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 03:14 PM)
Keep digging bro...

I will now just watch, gelak and eat popcorn
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:13 PM)
Trashed using wat? Do you see the car condition?
U sepak also cant do anything
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Angkat kereta kasi turtle la. Tak puas hati with the OKT. OKT forced to escape to an MPV because scared of the mob.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:11 PM)
See got time buffer.

So when the witness belum sedar, maybe the car terbalik..
As what in her police report

But some kids stuck there, then te crowd push & turtle up the car to get the kid out

During that time baru witness sedar
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now i know if the car terbalik and then terbalik again, it is still terbalik

180 degree + 180 degree = 180 degree

impeccable JKOM math
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QUOTE(wenching82 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:15 PM)
she drive myvi? guilty
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Almera, can see the engine part almost gone
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:15 PM)
I cant eat popcorn.. puasa
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Oh sorry. I forgot you just came back from sembahyang Jumaat.

Bukan niat saya nak buat you batal puasa. Sorry... but carry on with the entertainment pls.

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:08 PM)
This kind of damage? Still very light accident?
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Please see the findings and statements by PDRM. Your misleading picture more accurate or PDRM's picture, testimony (on-site officers) is more credible. Janganlah tipu sampai melampau ini.


Do you have reading problem atau tak faham bahasa melayu? Inilah masalahnya malas nak membaca dan suka memfitnah.


[132] Pihak pendakwaan ada membangkitkan dalam hujahan mereka bahawa isu berkaitan Laporan MIROS (P182) yang menyatakan semasa kemalangan OKT memandu motorkar dalam julat 44.53km/j – 74.86km/j. Dalam hal ini, pihak pendakwaan berhujah bahawa mahkamah perlu meneliti bukan sahaja laporan MIROS tersebut, malah mahkamah perlu juga melihat kepada kerosakan motorkar seperti yang dilaporkan oleh SP24 iaitu Pemeriksa Kenderaan Puspakom dalam Laporan Puspakom (P100) serta keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut,

[133] Namun begitu, pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa rumusan yang dibuat oleh SP24 dalam Laporan Puspakom tersebut adalah komponen kenderaan boleh dibaiki kerana kerosakan tidak melibatkan main chasis dan kerangka utama motorkar tersebut yang mana secara ringkasnya kerosakan motorkar OKT boleh dibaiki dan digunakan semula. Seterusnya pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa dapatan yang dibuat SP24 tersebut adalah penting kerana ia membuktikan bahawa motorkar OKT hanya mengalami kerosakan pada struktur luaran badan motorkar. Ia juga membuktikan hentaman antara motorkar dengan 30 buah basikal tidak kuat kerana enjin dan kerangka utama kereta tidak rosak atau bengkok rujukan silang kepada gambar a dan gambar b motorkar (P207).

[134] Mahkamah mendapati kerosakan motorkar adalah tertumpu sebahagian besarnya kepada badan hadapan motorkar tersebut dan bukannya pada kerangka chasis utama (main chasis). Ini jelas memberi indikasi motorkar tersebut tidak dipandu laju semasa kemalangan berlaku tetapi rempuhan telah berlaku antara motorkar tersebut dengan sekumpulan basikal yang banyak. Rempuhan yang kuat antara motorkar dengan bilangan basikal yang banyak telah berlaku namun ia tidak disumbangkan oleh faktor kelajuan motorkar tersebut.[U]

[135] Menurut keterangan SP24 semasa pemeriksaan balas, mengakui bahawa segala kerosakan motorkar tersebut boleh dibaiki mengikut kaedah-kaedah pembaikan dan motorkar tersebut juga boleh digunakan semula apabila selesai dibaiki. Pendapat SP24 ini juga selaras dengan rumusan Laporan Puspakom yang beliau sediakan di m/s 4 laporan tersebut. Seterusnya mahkamah berpendapat keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut adalah satu keadaan yang sangat berbeza dengan apa yang dirumuskan oleh SP24.


Adakah OKT memandu tanpa tanggungjawab berjaga dan kemahiran pemanduan munasabah.

[145] Mahkamah mengambil maklum bahawa kedudukan terakhir motorkar adalah di bahagian paling kiri (tepi kiri) jalan A-A1 rujukan silang kepada tandaan E Rajah Kasar Polis (P2) dan motorkar tersebut adalah dalam keadaan terbalik selepas ianya diterbalikkan oleh orang awam. Pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa lokasi berhenti motorkar tersebut bukan disebabkan hilang kawalan/terbabas tetapi adalah disebabkan oleh sistem keselamatan motorkar OKT iaitu sistem ABS (Auto Braking Sytem) dan sistem Airbag.

[146] Mahkamah mendapati motorkar OKT adalah dalam keadaan yang baik iaitu tiada kegagalan pada motorkar tersebut untuk berfungsi dengan baik. Menurut keterangan SP24, beliau menyatakan bahawa sistem brek motorkar adalah berfungsi, ini disahkan juga oleh SP28 dan SP38 yang turut sama membuat pemeriksaan ke atas motorkar tersebut selepas kemalangan berlaku. Selain itu, keadaan bunga tayar juga adalah memuaskan. Keaadaan tayar yang baik dan sistem brek yang berfungsi menunjukkan bahawa tiada kegagalan pada motorkar tersebut untuk berhenti secara munasabah dalam situasi kecemasan yang dijangka.

[147] Menurut keterangan Jurutera Nissan (SP38), beliau mengesahkan bahawa motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dilengkapi dengan sistem keselamatan ABS. Beliau menjelaskan sistem keselamatan ABS berfungsi untuk mengelakkan cengkaman rotar disk secara serta merta yang mana membolehkan tayar motorkar berpusing sedikit demi sedikit agar wujud stereng masih boleh dikawal oleh pemandu. SP38 juga bersetuju bahawa dengan kewujudan sistem ABS pada motorkar tersebut rujukan silang kepada Tatacara Keselamatan Nisaan (P200) maka membolehkan motorkar tersebut mengelak halangan yang wujud betul-betul di hadapannya. Seterusnya motorkar tersebut boleh dilencongkan ke sisi kiri atau kanan halangan di hadapannya. Tanpa kewujudan sistem ABS pada motorkar tersebut, pastinya motorkar akan terus bergerak ke hadapan lalu menghentam objek atau halangan di hadapannya. Jelasnya sistem ABS ini juga menghalang atau mencegah motorkar daripada hilang kawalan.

[148] Selain itu, mahkamah mengambil maklum tiada kesan brek di mana-mana loronglorong jalan tersebut. Menurut keterangan SP28, kewujudan sistem ABS pada motorkar tersebut adalah untuk mengelakkan tayar motorkar daripada terkunci apabila brek ditekan. Maka kesan brek memang tidak akan dapat dilihat kerana kesan brek hanya akan terhasil disebabkan geseran tayar kenderaan dengan permukaan jalan. Dalam hal ini ini, mahkamah berpendapat bahawa OKT menggunakan brek motorkar tersebut apabila berhadapan dengan situasi kecemasan yang wujud di sebalik bukit di lorong A-A1 iaitu kehadiran kumpulan basikal lajak yang tidak boleh dijangka kehadiran mereka pada jam 3 pagi apatah lagi berkumpul di laluan sah motorkar OKT tanpa sebarang bentuk amaran diberikan. Hal ini kerana menurut keterangan SP28 yang menyatakan bahawa berdasarkan kajian-kajian yang dilakukan di luar negara, menyatakan driver reaction time (DRT) pasti wujud dan pemandu sememangnya memerlukan reaction time iaitu selama 1.3 saat sebelum pemandu bertindak menekan brek apabila ternampak kecemasan di hadapannya rujukan silang pada m/s 39 dan 42 Laporan MIROS (P182).

[149] Maka mahkamah berpendapat sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut telah berfungsi di mana motorkar tersebut dapat mengelak halangan yang betul-betul di hadapannya. Kemudiannya pergerakan motorkar tersebut dihalakan ke bahagian kiri jalan AA1 dengan bantuan sistem ABS adalah munasabah kerana jalan A-A1 tersebut adalah lebar jika dibandingkan dengan kelebaran jalan A1-A2 dan jalan A2-A3. Walaubagaimanapun, mahkamah mendapati dalam situasi sebegini OKT tidak boleh dikatakan sebagai gagal mengawal motorkar beliau apabila melihat kecemasan di hadapan beliau. Hal ini kerana keseluruhan besar kumpulan basikal jelas menutup keseluruhan jalan A-A1, maka kumpulan basikal yang berada di kiri jalan A-A1 adalah mustahil untuk dielakkan perlanggaran apabila sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut berfungsi melainkan motorkar tersebut terbang melepasi halangan kumpulan basikal tersebut yang mana dalam masa yang sama tindakan tersebut adalah amat mustahil dapat dilakukan oleh motorkar tersebut. Oleh yang demikian, adalah mustahil untuk membuktikan bahawa OKT cuai atau gagal memberi perhatian terhadap situasi kecemasan berada di hadapannya.

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QUOTE(ZeaXG @ Apr 15 2022, 03:15 PM)
Angkat kereta kasi turtle la. Tak puas hati with the OKT. OKT forced to escape to an MPV because scared of the mob.
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This is the terbalik condition A

We also call it terbalik

Example A


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This kind of damage? Still very light accident?
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bro why your photos all blur kao kao one

both polis report and this
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Then crowd turtle it up

Condition B

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I refer to the FIR made by the girl. Because if the girl is not telling the truth can impeach her. It's not looking good at all.
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Helo..there is nothing to impeach as she didnt the stand bro..

Takan whole morning we already arguing this you still didnt get it ah?

She gave unsworn statement from the dock. No cross examine allowed, how to impeach??????

But then CLP tak ajar ini la

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Apr 15 2022, 03:18 PM)
bro why your photos all blur kao kao one

both polis report and this
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Blur also complaint
U want hardcopy is it?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:20 PM)
Blur also complaint
U want hardcopy is it?
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This is the terbalik condition A

We also call it terbalik

Example A
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Pls see eyewitness interrogation

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5263054
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Please see the findings and statements by PDRM.  Your misleading picture more accurate or PDRM's picture, testimony (on-site officers) is more credible.  Janganlah tipu sampai melampau ini.
Do you have reading problem atau tak faham bahasa melayu?  Inilah masalahnya malas nak membaca dan suka memfitnah.
[132] Pihak pendakwaan ada membangkitkan dalam hujahan mereka bahawa isu berkaitan Laporan MIROS (P182) yang menyatakan semasa kemalangan OKT memandu motorkar dalam julat 44.53km/j – 74.86km/j. Dalam hal ini, pihak pendakwaan berhujah bahawa mahkamah perlu meneliti bukan sahaja laporan MIROS tersebut, malah mahkamah perlu juga melihat kepada kerosakan motorkar seperti yang dilaporkan oleh SP24 iaitu Pemeriksa Kenderaan Puspakom dalam Laporan Puspakom (P100) serta keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut,

[133] Namun begitu, pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa rumusan yang dibuat oleh SP24 dalam Laporan Puspakom tersebut adalah komponen kenderaan boleh dibaiki kerana kerosakan tidak melibatkan main chasis dan kerangka utama motorkar tersebut yang mana secara ringkasnya kerosakan motorkar OKT boleh dibaiki dan digunakan semula. Seterusnya pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa dapatan yang dibuat SP24 tersebut adalah penting kerana ia membuktikan bahawa motorkar OKT hanya mengalami kerosakan pada struktur luaran badan motorkar. Ia juga membuktikan hentaman antara motorkar dengan 30 buah basikal tidak kuat kerana enjin dan kerangka utama kereta tidak rosak atau bengkok rujukan silang kepada gambar a dan gambar b motorkar (P207).

[134] Mahkamah mendapati kerosakan motorkar adalah tertumpu sebahagian besarnya kepada badan hadapan motorkar tersebut dan bukannya pada kerangka chasis utama (main chasis). Ini jelas memberi indikasi motorkar tersebut tidak dipandu laju semasa kemalangan berlaku tetapi rempuhan telah berlaku antara motorkar tersebut dengan sekumpulan basikal yang banyak. Rempuhan yang kuat antara motorkar dengan bilangan basikal yang banyak telah berlaku namun ia tidak disumbangkan oleh faktor kelajuan motorkar tersebut.[U]

[135] Menurut keterangan SP24 semasa pemeriksaan balas, mengakui bahawa segala kerosakan motorkar tersebut boleh dibaiki mengikut kaedah-kaedah pembaikan dan motorkar tersebut juga boleh digunakan semula apabila selesai dibaiki. Pendapat SP24 ini juga selaras dengan rumusan Laporan Puspakom yang beliau sediakan di m/s 4 laporan tersebut. Seterusnya mahkamah berpendapat keterangan SP38 yang menyatakan bahawa motorkar tersebut dianggap dalam keadaan total lost kerana jumlah baik pulih kenderaan ini lebih tinggi dari nilaian insurans motorkar tersebut adalah satu keadaan yang sangat berbeza dengan apa yang dirumuskan oleh SP24.


Adakah OKT memandu tanpa tanggungjawab berjaga dan kemahiran pemanduan munasabah.

[145] Mahkamah mengambil maklum bahawa kedudukan terakhir motorkar adalah di bahagian paling kiri (tepi kiri) jalan A-A1 rujukan silang kepada tandaan E Rajah Kasar Polis (P2) dan motorkar tersebut adalah dalam keadaan terbalik selepas ianya diterbalikkan oleh orang awam. Pihak pembelaan berhujah bahawa lokasi berhenti motorkar tersebut bukan disebabkan hilang kawalan/terbabas tetapi adalah disebabkan oleh sistem keselamatan motorkar OKT iaitu sistem ABS (Auto Braking Sytem) dan sistem Airbag.

[146] Mahkamah mendapati motorkar OKT adalah dalam keadaan yang baik iaitu tiada kegagalan pada motorkar tersebut untuk berfungsi dengan baik. Menurut keterangan SP24, beliau menyatakan bahawa sistem brek motorkar adalah berfungsi, ini disahkan juga oleh SP28 dan SP38 yang turut sama membuat pemeriksaan ke atas motorkar tersebut selepas kemalangan berlaku. Selain itu, keadaan bunga tayar juga adalah memuaskan. Keaadaan tayar yang baik dan sistem brek yang berfungsi menunjukkan bahawa tiada kegagalan pada motorkar tersebut untuk berhenti secara munasabah dalam situasi kecemasan yang dijangka.

[147] Menurut keterangan Jurutera Nissan (SP38), beliau mengesahkan bahawa motorkar Nissan Almera tersebut dilengkapi dengan sistem keselamatan ABS. Beliau menjelaskan sistem keselamatan ABS berfungsi untuk mengelakkan cengkaman rotar disk secara serta merta yang mana membolehkan tayar motorkar berpusing sedikit demi sedikit agar wujud stereng masih boleh dikawal oleh pemandu. SP38 juga bersetuju bahawa dengan kewujudan sistem ABS pada motorkar tersebut rujukan silang kepada Tatacara Keselamatan Nisaan (P200) maka membolehkan motorkar tersebut mengelak halangan yang wujud betul-betul di hadapannya. Seterusnya motorkar tersebut boleh dilencongkan ke sisi kiri atau kanan halangan di hadapannya. Tanpa kewujudan sistem ABS pada motorkar tersebut, pastinya motorkar akan terus bergerak ke hadapan lalu menghentam objek atau halangan di hadapannya. Jelasnya sistem ABS ini juga menghalang atau mencegah motorkar daripada hilang kawalan.

[148] Selain itu, mahkamah mengambil maklum tiada kesan brek di mana-mana loronglorong jalan tersebut. Menurut keterangan SP28, kewujudan sistem ABS pada motorkar tersebut adalah untuk mengelakkan tayar motorkar daripada terkunci apabila brek ditekan. Maka kesan brek memang tidak akan dapat dilihat kerana kesan brek hanya akan terhasil disebabkan geseran tayar kenderaan dengan permukaan jalan. Dalam hal ini ini, mahkamah berpendapat bahawa OKT menggunakan brek motorkar tersebut apabila berhadapan dengan situasi kecemasan yang wujud di sebalik bukit di lorong A-A1 iaitu kehadiran kumpulan basikal lajak yang tidak boleh dijangka kehadiran mereka pada jam 3 pagi apatah lagi berkumpul di laluan sah motorkar OKT tanpa sebarang bentuk amaran diberikan. Hal ini kerana menurut keterangan SP28 yang menyatakan bahawa berdasarkan kajian-kajian yang dilakukan di luar negara, menyatakan driver reaction time (DRT) pasti wujud dan pemandu sememangnya memerlukan reaction time iaitu selama 1.3 saat sebelum pemandu bertindak menekan brek apabila ternampak kecemasan di hadapannya rujukan silang pada m/s 39 dan 42 Laporan MIROS (P182).

[149] Maka mahkamah berpendapat sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut telah berfungsi di mana motorkar tersebut dapat mengelak halangan yang betul-betul di hadapannya. Kemudiannya pergerakan motorkar tersebut dihalakan ke bahagian kiri jalan AA1 dengan bantuan sistem ABS adalah munasabah kerana jalan A-A1 tersebut adalah lebar jika dibandingkan dengan kelebaran jalan A1-A2 dan jalan A2-A3. Walaubagaimanapun, mahkamah mendapati dalam situasi sebegini OKT tidak boleh dikatakan sebagai gagal mengawal motorkar beliau apabila melihat kecemasan di hadapan beliau. Hal ini kerana keseluruhan besar kumpulan basikal jelas menutup keseluruhan jalan A-A1, maka kumpulan basikal yang berada di kiri jalan A-A1 adalah mustahil untuk dielakkan perlanggaran apabila sistem keselamatan ABS motorkar tersebut berfungsi melainkan motorkar tersebut terbang melepasi halangan kumpulan basikal tersebut yang mana dalam masa yang sama tindakan tersebut adalah amat mustahil dapat dilakukan oleh motorkar tersebut. Oleh yang demikian, adalah mustahil untuk membuktikan bahawa OKT cuai atau gagal memberi perhatian terhadap situasi kecemasan berada di hadapannya.

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:48 PM)
can see from her car.. turtle up..
can be consider as total lost.. 50kmh is not possible
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turtle up because? you got read anot? go read again come back edit.
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if she kena 12 years, I will represent her pro bono for a review in Court of Appeal.

Duh max S41 sentence is 10 year buddy...
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What are your thoughts on this?

In magistrate court it was mentioned that SKT's friend was driving another car behind her.

In high court SKT suddenly said there was another car that also hit the kids.

But in SKT's friend's police report there's no mention about another car?

I think this is one of the key issues raised by the HC judge?


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[116] Meneliti keterangan SP46 di atas dengan jelas menunjukkan pekara-pekara berikut:
1. Saksi- saksi mata (SP1- SP13) menyatakan semasa soal siasat dijalankan oleh SP46 bahawa
motorkar tersebut dipandu di lorong tengah sebelum kemalangan berlaku.
2. Kawan OKT iaitu Pay Qin Ting yang memandu di belakang OKT dalam jarak dua kereta
melihat OKT memandu di lorong tengah sebelum kemalangan berlaku.
3. Kumpulan basikal lajak berada di ketiga-tiga lorong (A-A1,A1-A2,A2-A3) jalan tersebut.
4. OKT memandu di lorong tengah dan kemudian gagal mengawal motorkar tersebut telah beralih
ke lorong kiri dan di lorong kiri berlaku kemalangan.

[118] Oleh yang demikian, timbul keraguan sama ada SP46 membuat siasatan ke atas
kesahihan percakapan beramaran saksi-saksi mata tersebut kerana mereka ini yang berada di
jalan tersebut semasa kemalangan berlaku ataupun siasatan SP46 hanya bersandarkan kepada
laporan polis (P211) yang dibuat oleh Pay Qin Ting yang tidak sama sekali dipanggil di
mahkamah semasa kes pendakwaan untuk memberi keterangan dan sekaligus menyokong
atau menyangkal laporan polis (P211) yang dibuat beliau pada 18/2/2017 yang lalu. Namun,
dalam apa jua keadaan sekalipun, jelasnya dalam laporan polis (P211) tersebut hanya
menyatakan Pay Qin Ting yang memandu di lorong tengah dan tidak sama sekali menyatakan
OKT memandu di lorong tengah dan fakta tersebut juga dipersetujui oleh SP46 semasa
pemeriksaan balas. Seterusnya, mahkamah mendapati keterangan SP10 hanya menyatakan
beliau nampak motorkar tersebut dipandu di lorong tengah tetapi beliau tidak menyatakan
motorkar tersebut hilang kawalan dan kemudian beralih ke lorong kiri. Selanjutnya, tiada
keterangan yang menunjukkan terdapat bukti senyap seperti kesan brek, kesan seretan, kesan
tumpahan minyak, kesan titisan darah, dan sebagainya dijumpai di lorong tengah rujukan
silang rajah kasar (P2).

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QUOTE(gladfly @ Apr 15 2022, 03:19 PM)
Helo..there is nothing to impeach as she didnt the stand bro..

Takan whole morning we already arguing this you still didnt get it ah?

She gave unsworn statement from the dock. No cross examine allowed, how to impeach??????

But then CLP tak ajar ini la
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I mean if she gave sworn lar. Now you know why she doesn't go to the witness stand. And when the judge does not believe her anymore, means the prima facie still stands and you are screwed as you cannot cast any doubts.

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spook the victim, made the victim say wrong thing
you say le?
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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Apr 15 2022, 02:35 PM)
Can a police report be used as evidence in court? I'm not lawyer, really wanna know. So if I go police report say that my neighbor do something can I use that police report as proof that my neighbour did something?
OR is that the police report is only proof that I MADE a police report.
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Logically no, each party will try to present themselves in the best light possible when making report instead of giving objective information.

That's why you need investigator to get testimony, look at the actual site, forensics and actual experts to check the information gathered.
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:05 PM)
That the final outcome lah.. when police & ambulance are here
Car already on the position

So lemah cant think simply things
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So if car is turtled by witness how can you say "tak mungkin 50kmh"? lol
Bulan mulia ni fitnah kurang lah sikit.
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So many maybes and ifs ... no wonder you have to tell yourself it make sense.

QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:18 PM)
it make sense
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 02:55 PM)
I dont say that..
I said she know she hit the kids, then terbabas and terbalik.
From the Witnesses report
“After the kids tersedar, they reliazed crowd is turtling the car”

So in between the incident and the boys sedar, the car already terbalik.. maybe just diff side.. not turtle up
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:11 PM)
See got time buffer.

So when the witness belum sedar, maybe the car terbalik..
As what in her police report

But some kids stuck there, then te crowd push & turtle up the car to get the kid out

During that time baru witness sedar
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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:22 PM)
I mean if she gave sworn lar. Now you know why she doesn't go to the witness stand. And when the judge does not believe her anymore, means the prima facie still stands and you are screwed as you cannot cast any doubts.
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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Apr 15 2022, 03:26 PM)
So if car is turtled by witness how can you say "tak mungkin 50kmh"? lol
Bulan mulia ni fitnah kurang lah sikit.
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50kmh u try.. u hit the brake..
How fast is 50kmh.. no need drive car.. bwk motor saje u try

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:22 PM)
I mean if she gave sworn lar. Now you know why she doesn't go to the witness stand. And when the judge does not believe her anymore, means the prima facie still stands and you are screwed as you cannot cast any doubts.
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How can the court rule that when EXPERTS say differently? If someone say stupid conflicting stuff but got proof they're not the pesalah can court convict them?
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QUOTE(Ray2021 @ Apr 15 2022, 03:27 PM)
So many maybes and ifs ... no wonder you have to tell yourself it make sense.
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Yap all this maybe & if
Since the one know what exactly happen is SKT

So the issue here, does she lied to court to escape judgement?
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:29 PM)
50kmh u try.. u hit the brake..
How fast is 50kmh.. no need drive car.. bwk motor saje u try
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You mean like this?

Wow so fast wowowowow SUPER FAST.

Tak pass fizik la budak ni.

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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 15 2022, 03:30 PM)
Yap all this maybe & if
Since the one know what exactly happen is SKT

So the issue here, does she lied to court to escape judgement?
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Bro can you take a look at this

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...#entry104143489
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QUOTE(darkLapland @ Apr 14 2022, 06:54 PM)

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what car is that ? myvi ?
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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Apr 15 2022, 03:29 PM)
How can the court rule that when EXPERTS say differently? If someone say stupid conflicting stuff but got proof they're not the pesalah can court convict them?
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err expert opinion is another thing already like the adib case, 2 experts contradict one another. For the accused, the impression is important. The law is clear, even if the judge does not believe you, as long as there is reasonable doubt, acquit.

The problem is he already does not believe you, plus no reasonable doubt is cast, what do you think?

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