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lucifah
post Sep 24 2007, 01:24 AM

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it's not aluminum nor zinc

it's ZINCALUME - zinc and aluminum alloy

and either material is common roofing material. it's been used for ages, besides the ubiquitos concrete / clay tiles

i know cos i design roofs - engineering side, not architecture

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post Sep 24 2007, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Sep 24 2007, 02:21 AM)
so i guess u r from bluescope company... wink.gif
last time i was workin in roofin industries...
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BHP lysaght (before it got turned to BlueScope Lysaght)

Bluescope is the steel manufacturer

lysaght is the roofing people

now i work full time as hospital's janitor - cleaning up other people's mess

edit: TS : there's no such thing as aluminum wiring - they all use copper wires. aluminum just doesn't make sense in electric conductivity

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post Sep 25 2007, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 25 2007, 09:50 AM)
Lucifah,

You are not OLD enough.  Tenaga / LLN  did use aluminum wiring about 35 years.

Dreamer
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ah... never knew there still are aluminum wirings. tq tq. wink.gif

i rarely see aluminum wiring nowadays except in bus bars where they are in 1/2" thick plate, 4" wide, carrying 415V and about 600 amp for my hospital

just a piece of info to share biggrin.gif



anyhow, back to the main topic: frmo engineering side, yes, zinc roofing tend to be more "flammable" than concrete / clay tiles

however, this is due to one main factor:

WHEN YOU USE METAL ROOFING, YOU'LL NEED TO LAY A LOT OF SOUND PROOFING INSULATION LAYER - usually about 2" of rockwool

this insulation is the fire hazard

without the insulation, you'll be deaf when it rains. it's bloody noisy

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post Sep 25 2007, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(??!! @ Sep 25 2007, 01:56 AM)
I had my insurer telling me zinc sheets placed under the clay roof tiles is a fire hazard, hence making the fire policy voidable.

Not sure if this is some 'excuse' the insurer uses or if there's any truth to it.
Bomba apparently does not approve of zinc sheets beneath the clay/cement tiles as well.

Any Roof specialists can confirm this?
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if you use CONCRETE tiles, you don't need the zinc sheet since it's thick enough and is waterproof

but if you use CLAY tiles, you're gonna need the zinc sheets since water may soak / seep into the house

i have never heard of BOMBA not approving those metal sheet layers yet. anyone can confirm?


anyway, additional info:

CONCRETE tile : cheap, easily available // easily stained, not beautiful (about RM 1 per piece)
CLAY tile: beautiful, the color is lasting and not so susceptible to fungus growth // bloody expensive (RM 2 (china made) to RM 15 (italian tiles) per piece)
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post Sep 26 2007, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(??!! @ Sep 26 2007, 06:10 PM)
actually, the zinc sheets are more for security to make it more difficult for intruders to get in from the roof!!
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nope. it's what ppl may have convinced you

but we engineers try to economize everything - security isn't our priority. cost, safety and customer satisfaction is.

the metal sheet has to be there or else someone will have to use umbrella in the house during rain
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post Sep 27 2007, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 26 2007, 10:28 PM)
Lucifah,

I am referring to the Zinc sheet below the tiles.  Does that void the fire insurance?

Sorry if I confuse anyone.  The roof is NOT made of zinc.  I am referring to the Zinc sheet under the roof tiles.

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never heard of this before, but it shouldn't affect your fire insurance policy since you're not goign to install any sound insulation layer. the metal sheet is there only for waterproofing purposes

i guess you are using clay roof tiles. probably a J-profile tile.


QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Sep 26 2007, 11:04 PM)
1st of all, do u all referrin aluminium wiring = chicken netting??

2nd, wats d pitch (degree) of ur house roof? since u say d contractor wants to put d zinc sheet coz scare its leakin, its not true... if they done it properly, d water will not leaked into ur house provided d degree is mre than 18degree or more...

3rd, y need to put chicken nettin??? d contractor also will b puttin rockwooll(d thing in yellow color which can make u gatal gatal)??

4th,nowadays alot private house rebuild did not use chicken nettin but some do use zinc sheet(pitch more than 18degree) to prevent direct warm from sunlight..


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for no.2, read my earlier post. clay tiles needs waterproof layer (in this case, metal sheet is the cheapest and easiest and last longest)

AND REGARDING PITCH ; it doesn't matter what degree your pitch is. it depends on the type of roofing material and profile

if you use seamless metal sheet with klip lok profie, you can go as low as 4(deg)
if you use tiled rooginf, it's recommended to be at 25(deg)
as long as you don't go below 5(deg), you should be ok. lower than that, then consider reinforced concrete flat roof (major headache)

the only reason why pitch is extra important is in 4-season country where high roof pitch is needed so snow won't settle on the roof. snow = extra weight and will make your roof collapse

learn more. roof pitch has nothing to do with sunlight. it's either snow or roof design or just for styling,

for no 3, you still need the chicken wire netting. if not, how will you put the rock wool? u surely needs something to support the rock wool and that's why the chickn netting is there


Added on September 27, 2007, 1:50 pm
QUOTE(more69 @ Sep 27 2007, 01:39 PM)
i thought they call it Hot Dip Galvanised Steel Sheet (in coils).
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that's what they used to call it. it's more like a generic term. galvanization is kinda old. it's more to "aluminization" nowadays

it's not in coil, but in metal sheet rolls of standard width and infinite length

the roof profile is cold-formed using pressing machine.

This post has been edited by lucifah: Sep 27 2007, 01:55 PM

 

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