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 Does continued buying of property make sense?, Delusional confidence or buying low?

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post Mar 12 2022, 06:59 PM, updated 4y ago

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This may be incendiary but I’m one to speak his mind.

I sometimes wonder if the continued parking of assets in this country via property purchase is misplaced or in fact not a good way to build wealth.

There are certainly very pronounced and systemic failures in the current governing regime but everyone seems to just bury their heads in sand and ignore it. Many people who are not of the majority ethnic background own a large proportion of assets in this country which is not adequate diversification considering the very tangible risks here of economic failure and societal upheaval.

Many seem very pleased to own 3 or more properties which may be loss making and not an efficient way to build wealth but yet the cycle continues.

I very simply pose to the greater public the risk of regulatory and taxation as well as currency risks that persist with concentration risk of assets in a dysfunctional regime. There are better ways to get ahead and this sheep like behaviour has led to developers being unaccountable and arrogant. It’s frustrating to see a perception that Malaysia will operate like the US or UK.
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post Mar 14 2022, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Mar 14 2022, 12:02 PM)
Some people are conservative minded who believe that at least worst case scenario they still have a roof over their head, assuming loans paid off etc.

and if hold on long enough if cash strapped, when they sell off usually can cover loan AND still have cash leftover (if property value didn't depreciate).

It's like people who die² only 'invest' in FDs, EPF, SSPN, ASB

might not be best or optimal to grow wealth but they'd rather be safe than sorry, which is fair if they know what they're doing

a decent property is still decent wealth/asset preservation for long term, provided take into account maintenance costs and loan costs 😂
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This is if all variables remain the same, what if the country becomes a Lebanon or an Egypt. It’s not out of the realm of impossibility is my point where it’s headed.
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post Mar 16 2022, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 15 2022, 09:42 AM)
only if PH continues to be government otherwise our fundementals are very strong.
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Don’t disagree that the potential of Malaysia hasn’t been realized but you’re one race riot away from shattering business confidence. Then the prospect of a very expensive immovable asset becomes less attractive.

QUOTE(mini orchard @ Mar 15 2022, 10:12 AM)
Make some sense but again every person investing strategies are different.
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I’d argue that there’s an overwhelming number of people who do have the identical goal of owning a daisy chain of investment property. Developers wouldn’t be pumping out 1000s of units otherwise.
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post Mar 16 2022, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Mar 16 2022, 02:50 PM)
This is a particular noteable issue of townships/cities with many office skyscrapers, high amount of white collar "migrant" population, perceived higher standard of living, and lack of enforcement on the building of skyscrapers (both office and residential), with local examples being Klang Valley & Penang Island, and overseas would be places like NYC and Hong Kong. "Billionaire's Row" is a notorious example.

Unfortunately this will require enforcement by governments to limit density / height, but when government can benefit from the high amount of tax income per acre of land from building such skyscrapers, it's not exactly in greed's best interests to limit the presence of skyscrapers.
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No joke that they’re serious about redevelopment. I was perusing through the KL 2020 plan and all of this redevelopment as far as Balakong, Jinjang etc were being actively encouraged.
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post Mar 16 2022, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Mar 16 2022, 05:17 PM)
To alleviate "city population pressure" supposedly.

In theory, they're not wrong, since there's quite big disparity between the rural vs the city areas in terms of population density.

But whether they develop responsibly, I have serious doubts, as current government prioritize industrialisation and commercialised land over liveability and environmental sustainability.
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If the intent is revenue raising via land sales and affordable property prices via crushing oversupply then they’ve done their job.

The problem is the negative wealth effect and the exposure of the major financial institutions to staggering levels of domestic debt.
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post Mar 17 2022, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Mar 17 2022, 07:49 AM)
Lack of regulation on loan approval and property price control sadly, as we can see from all the "100% loan approval" schemes 😅 not exactly entirely a problem caused by high rise, but the absurd ballooning of property prices in 2014 which has yet to be flattened properly, on top of Malaysia's lack of decent living wages
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The drastic rises 8 years ago happened globally everywhere due to the low interest rates and the rise of the mainland Chinese middle class with fairly lax capital controls at the time. Can’t entirely blame developers from trying to profiteer. It’s the regulators that have no teeth and opaque goals.
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post Mar 18 2022, 04:31 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Mar 17 2022, 09:28 PM)
Assuming it is headed the way you foresee, what investments would you suggest the average Joe dabbles in?
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That’s financial advice. I think when we look at diversification it’s mainly to reduce concentration risk and it can mean across different asset classes and/or locations as well.
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post Mar 19 2022, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Mar 18 2022, 09:21 AM)
You're not answering my question. I'm not asking why we need to diversify or what diversification means.

You're against people buying multiple properties as an investment or hedge against inflation because the economy outlook is not good. Hence I asked what you think those folks should have invested in, if not in properties.
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Your usual shares, managed investments etc. if you wanna do more property, then why not overseas or even landed plots in the rural plots.
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post Mar 26 2022, 07:06 AM

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Just realised a big issue is that many people don’t know how to math or don’t bother to do basic comparative analysis. Very easy to obfuscate numbers and pull the wool over their eyes.

 

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