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post Mar 11 2022, 05:42 PM, updated 4y ago

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A PAS lawmaker today urged the government to stop advising the public to conduct Covid-19 saliva self-tests if the accuracy of their results are questionable.

Datuk Che Abdullah Mat Nawi (Tumpat-PAS) argued that it will be financially wasteful for users to conduct tests using the RTK-Ag kits if the results are often inaccurate.

Speaking in Parliament, he said that he personally saw that a self-test kit is unreliable compared to a RT-PCR test.
“I experienced it for myself. I had symptoms for three days, and took the saliva test every morning and evening, but they all gave me negative results,” he said in a supplementary question to Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Minister Datuk Seri Alexander Nanta Linggi today.

“Finally, when I took the PCR test, I was confirmed positive. This is such a waste (of money) for consumers.”

The minister acknowledged that PCR tests are more accurate, opposed to saliva tests, but said he lacked the medical expertise to provide a detailed answer.
“If the saliva test is inaccurate, then it is better that the ministry advise the public not to use it. It’s pointless if it is inaccurate.”

Separately, Nanta said the government is currently studying the need to lower the ceiling prices of self-test kits as well as introduce a price cap on other medical devices such as oximeters and thermometers.

At the moment, the retail ceiling price of self-test kits is set at RM19 while the wholesale price is capped at RM16.

He added that the government sees no need to revise the ceiling price for masks as they are currently sold below the cap of 7 sen per single-ply unit, 20 sen per double-ply unit and 70 sen per triple-ply unit.

Earlier, Nanta said his ministry and the Medical Device Authority (MDA) under the Health Ministry are consistently monitoring to ensure the best quality of self-test kits are in the market.

He added that to date, MDA had already conducted eight raids and 10 seizures on companies that were illegally distributing testing kits.
“This is proof that MDA is carrying out its duty with the ministry to ensure the kits are of good quality,” he said, responding to Cha Kee Chin (Rasah-PH) on the action taken by the government to guarantee the reliability and authenticity of the kits.

Source: Stop suggesting Covid-19 self-tests if inaccurate, PAS MP tells govt

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WE GOT A C0V1D POSITIVE PERSON TO TRY 10 RTK SELF TEST KITS… HERE’S HOW MANY FAILED.

Compared to the PCR nasal swabs, rapid self test kits (RTK) are faster, cheaper, and less invasive – leading us to salivate more voluntarily than a candidate in a Pavlov experiment. However, you might also have seen posts from people who tested negative on RTK tests, only to find out that they were actually positive after a PCR.

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An increase in these incidents, especially with the new variant, have brought the reliability of RTK tests into question, with our health minister recently instructing the Medical Device Authority (MDA), the agency in charge of approvals of self test kits, to call up suppliers to get quality assurance information from manufacturers.

But with so many brands at even more price points, we were curious as to how well effective they were so we did the most obvious thing: We sent a bunch of RTKs to a reader who was con9firm positive and asked her to spit into each one of them.

We sent Olivia (fake name by request) 10 RTK brands that we bought from various pharmacies and had her use them in one sitting, and following the instructions on each kit. Just to be on the safe side, we also sent her 2 units of each brand because….science. We know you’re itching to see the results, so we’ll leave the explanations and stuff for the end of the article so yea – here are the results

Nasal swab kits
It’s a mixed bag when it comes to nasal swab RTKs – some studies claim that the saliva test should be to go-to, others say there are no significant differences between the two. We sent Olivia Salixium, a saliva/nasal swab hybrid kit and SD Biosensor, an exclusively nasal swab kit.

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post Mar 11 2022, 05:47 PM

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v-chek is conlanfirm the most useless one....

either no results/ inconclusive results or negative.

the symptom oledi there, ayam go clinic check, confirmed
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post Mar 11 2022, 06:18 PM

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to a degree, this is true
malaysian just want to keep going cheaper and cheaper
and then end up it being inaccurate at all

sometime even occue false positive

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post Mar 11 2022, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 11 2022, 06:18 PM)
to a degree, this is true
malaysian just want to keep going cheaper and cheaper
and then end up it being inaccurate at all

sometime even occue false positive
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Actually during the MCO 1.0 MyEG already advertise RTK for less than RM100

then helang bising cause later RTK business is a golden goose for them

then MyEG stopped doing it

The secret is that RTK if bought in thousands per order was less then RM10/unit in 2020

other more developed countries were selling for RM20 and below (after conversion) at their super market in 2021

Malaysia baru play catch up game with the low price after Khairy say he wanna put ceiling price


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QUOTE(janszmatt @ Mar 11 2022, 06:34 PM)
Actually during the MCO 1.0 MyEG already advertise RTK for less than RM100

then helang bising cause later RTK business is a golden goose for them

then MyEG stopped doing it

The secret is that RTK if bought in thousands per order was less then RM10/unit in 2020

other more developed countries were selling for RM20 and below (after conversion) at their super market in 2021

Malaysia baru play catch up game with the low price after Khairy say he wanna put ceiling price
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for references these are the prices of test kit in thailand
for us, these are expensive but for hongkie that commented, they say it's cheap
that kinda proves how cheap our test kits are
if really wanna compare price to quality ratio...i really don't know what to say laugh.gif


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QUOTE(2feidei @ Mar 11 2022, 05:47 PM)
v-chek is conlanfirm the most useless one....

either no results/ inconclusive results or negative.

the symptom oledi there, ayam go clinic check, confirmed
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 11 2022, 06:18 PM)
to a degree, this is true
malaysian just want to keep going cheaper and cheaper
and then end up it being inaccurate at all

sometime even occue false positive
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The problem lies in cheaper and inaccurately test kit is MDA approved doh.gif

Any way PAS case 1 in million because test kit is not 100% accurate anyways doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 11 2022, 06:56 PM)
The problem lies in cheaper and inaccurately test kit is MDA approved doh.gif

Any way PAS case 1 in million because test kit is not 100% accurate anyways  doh.gif
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Aint that cheap also, RM11.90 compare to usual RM6.90 or RM7.90
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 11 2022, 06:56 PM)
The problem lies in cheaper and inaccurately test kit is MDA approved doh.gif

Any way PAS case 1 in million because test kit is not 100% accurate anyways  doh.gif
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PAS case isn't 1 in a millions
happens almost everyday....just that it's not done by MP only

i saw way too many on social media that keep testing ...result is negative...end up PCR is positive
some even did an experiment after they're positive via PCR...a majority of the test kit still indicate negative

the funniest one is a air stewardess...they have to do RTK before flight only can fly
1 day she got to fly australia...test RTK positive rclxub.gif
scared AF but asymptomatic...she went and pay RM400 to do rapid PCR test...it was negative
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I thought I read that juschek was one use by some KKM klinik. But they didn't test the so call 100% one

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 11 2022, 07:38 PM)
PAS case isn't 1 in a millions
happens almost everyday....just that it's not done by MP only

i saw way too many on social media that keep testing ...result is negative...end up PCR is positive
some even did an experiment after they're positive via PCR...a majority of the test kit still indicate negative

the funniest one is a air stewardess...they have to do RTK before flight only can fly
1 day she got to fly australia...test RTK positive rclxub.gif
scared AF but asymptomatic...she went and pay RM400 to do rapid PCR test...it was negative
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SHE got ripped off big time when BP only charging rm250 doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 12 2022, 12:50 AM)
SHE got ripped off big time when BP only charging rm250  doh.gif
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i don't think she had a choice, she is in a rush to report back to the company because flight is very soon
she needs the result in less than 2 hours

what to do? laugh.gif
paid RM400 because got trolled by a cheap test kit
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 12 2022, 07:21 AM)
i don't think she had a choice, she is in a rush to report back to the company because flight is very soon
she needs the result in less than 2 hours

what to do? laugh.gif
paid RM400 because got trolled by a cheap test kit
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YOU should post entire story here for education awareness rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 12 2022, 12:50 AM)
SHE got ripped off big time when BP only charging rm250  doh.gif
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Normal pcr test is about rm250 but need 24 hrs

Perhaps this is the rapid price??
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Mar 12 2022, 09:39 AM)
Normal pcr test is about rm250 but need 24 hrs

Perhaps this is the rapid price??
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That is the rapid price if normal it is only 180 doh.gif

Also rapid is subject to availability and test load on the particular lab on the day of testing itself doh.gif


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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 12 2022, 08:50 AM)
YOU should post entire story here for education awareness  rclxms.gif
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isn't the Omicron variant NOT DETECTABLE? what's the point of the self test kits?
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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Mar 11 2022, 05:42 PM)
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he is one in how many millions of people using it for themselves. come back when he has a bigger sample size. at least his whole kampung.
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Vaccine also doesn't guarantee you'll be immune to the virus, by his logic we should give up the vaccine? No wonder so many antivaxers everywhere
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QUOTE(chuan1961 @ Mar 13 2022, 12:03 AM)
isn't  the Omicron variant NOT DETECTABLE? what's the point of the self test kits?
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It is detectable but difficult to diagnose the strain doh.gif

Test kits are for detecting infectivity before it goes spreading around doh.gif
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which test kit reliable..?
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ Mar 13 2022, 03:19 AM)
which test kit reliable..?
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This the so called 100&% detectable rate made by malaysian..sold out online so currently very hard to find it.


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QUOTE(squall_12 @ Mar 13 2022, 07:43 AM)
This the so called 100&% detectable rate made by malaysian..sold out online so currently very hard to find it.
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so far pharmacy near my house always sold out
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Maybe it's affected by storage condition? Most of them need to be stored below 30°c. Our climate exceeds that.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Mar 15 2022, 07:34 AM)
Maybe it's affected by storage condition? Most of them need to be stored below 30°c. Our climate exceeds that.
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And we buy online, some parcels become really warm when received. Who knows how long they were left in the hot van during transit from delivery hub to recipients. Add in the interstate transit (for outstation buyers)....
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Mar 15 2022, 10:04 AM)
And we buy online, some parcels become really warm when received. Who knows how long they were left in the hot van during transit from delivery hub to recipients. Add in the interstate transit (for outstation buyers)....
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true, if follow this argument none of the test kits will be safe from the weather.
Even retail shops units are sent using lorry/expose to weather.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(47100 @ Mar 15 2022, 10:15 AM)
true, if follow this argument none of the test kits will be safe from the weather.
Even retail shops units are sent using lorry/expose to weather..  rclxub.gif
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Maybe the distributors take special precautions when delivering to shops? Such as night journeys?

In addition, perhaps their original carton boxes will be able to insulate a bit.


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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 12 2022, 07:21 AM)
i don't think she had a choice, she is in a rush to report back to the company because flight is very soon
she needs the result in less than 2 hours

what to do? laugh.gif
paid RM400 because got trolled by a cheap test kit
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i thought the fastest PCR Test is 5 hours. never know money can speed up PCR test chemical reaction.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Mar 15 2022, 10:04 AM)
And we buy online, some parcels become really warm when received. Who knows how long they were left in the hot van during transit from delivery hub to recipients. Add in the interstate transit (for outstation buyers)....
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true, if follow this argument none of the test kits will be safe from the weather.
Even retail shops units are sent using lorry/expose to weather..  rclxub.gif
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Yes. That's why I doubt the accuracy of these test kits.

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QUOTE(andise @ Mar 15 2022, 11:31 AM)
i thought the fastest PCR Test is 5 hours. never know money can speed up PCR test chemical reaction.
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yeah, money can jump queue. "express lane" ?
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QUOTE(chuan1961 @ Mar 13 2022, 12:03 AM)
isn't  the Omicron variant NOT DETECTABLE? what's the point of the self test kits?
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where you got this fake info that omicron variant is not detectable?
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QUOTE(andise @ Mar 15 2022, 11:31 AM)
i thought the fastest PCR Test is 5 hours. never know money can speed up PCR test chemical reaction.
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the fastest one is 2 hours...this one is since last year's end

yesterday someone paid RM380...got her result in 4 hours
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QUOTE(kamfoo @ Mar 13 2022, 03:19 AM)
which test kit reliable..?
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buy expensive ones
if u can afford it or can find it....try abbott...but RM20+

overseas people use abbott can enter country, not required PCR
they have a list of approved test kits...most of which u can't find here
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QUOTE(andise @ Mar 15 2022, 11:31 AM)
i thought the fastest PCR Test is 5 hours. never know money can speed up PCR test chemical reaction.
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Actual rapid PCR is only takes 30mins in the lab

The reason why it takes a long is because of logistics and administrative taking up most of the time doh.gif

QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 15 2022, 03:00 PM)
buy expensive ones
if u can afford it or can find it....try abbott...but RM20+

overseas people use abbott can enter country, not required PCR
they have a list of approved test kits...most of which u can't find here
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Where to get BinaxNow in Malaysia?
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 16 2022, 03:18 AM)
Where to get BinaxNow in Malaysia?
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no idea..don't ask me laugh.gif

plus i don't think shops are gonna stock up RM20+ test kit because they know it's a hard sell
almost nobody is gonna buy it
all will go for the RM5.90 and below test kits...even salixium already got people complain expensive...what more abbott test kit
even the one sold in thailand isn't binaxnow but already nearing RM30

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What can we do now? We all know that there are tons of false negative walking around. But at least the highly infectious one will show positive.

Honestly though, people need to stop saying "Normal flu", "allergies" la when they have symptoms.. cause based on my experience, all those who keep claiming "normal flu", "allergies" all end up being positive. (PCR tested). There was only one person who claimed "normal flu" recently and ended tested negative, but tested positive for dengue. So yeah that's different story.

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Actually it is true, not accurate. House saliva tests all -ve, the moment go clinic to do RTK with nose poking, all turn +ve.

If close contact or exhibit the symptoms, be extra cautious.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 16 2022, 07:30 AM)
no idea..don't ask me laugh.gif

plus i don't think shops are gonna stock up RM20+ test kit because they know it's a hard sell
almost nobody is gonna buy it
all will go for the RM5.90 and below test kits...even salixium already got people complain expensive...what more abbott test kit
even the one sold in thailand isn't binaxnow but already nearing RM30

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For thai price at 230 baht it reasonable compared to others in Thailand doh.gif

Malaysia is just because the govt set a ceiling price which causes oversupply and then to fix the problem start a panic buy of test kit to fix the price goes higher doh.gif

QUOTE(nihility @ Mar 16 2022, 10:04 AM)
Actually it is true, not accurate. House saliva tests all -ve, the moment go clinic to do RTK with nose poking, all turn +ve.

If close contact or exhibit the symptoms, be extra cautious.
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Saliva test it is only good when you are already infected and rtk it is good for onset of symptoms before spreading to your body

That’s why PCR it is golden standard because it account above both factors

Malaysians are mostly retarded panic buying test kits because it is already proven not necessary to daily test but weekly it is suffice enough doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 16 2022, 04:30 PM)
For thai price at 230 baht it reasonable compared to others in Thailand  doh.gif

Malaysia is just because the govt set a ceiling price which causes oversupply and then to fix the problem start a panic buy of test kit to fix the price goes higher  doh.gif
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they actually have cheap ones if u want

abbott for them is also expensive but hongkie of course see the price as cheap

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 16 2022, 04:36 PM)
they actually have cheap ones if u want

abbott for them is also expensive but hongkie of course see the price as cheap

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Ask Hongkie come Malaysia test kit as cheap as USD1 which about HKD8 rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 16 2022, 05:35 PM)
Ask Hongkie come Malaysia test kit as cheap as USD1 which about HKD8  rclxms.gif
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if the borders are open...no need to quarantine both way
u damn sure that's what they borong back
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saliva test kit is inaccurate. better go for nasal or pcr.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 16 2022, 06:35 PM)
if the borders are open...no need to quarantine both way
u damn sure that's what they borong back
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HK still can travel out no issue

Only when they go back to HK need to h9me quarantine 2 weeks and makes no difference now because they are in lockdown now doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 16 2022, 11:05 PM)
HK still can travel out no issue

Only when they go back to HK need to h9me quarantine 2 weeks and makes no difference now because they are in lockdown now  doh.gif
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it's actually 3 weeks or 21 days
and their outdoor rules are getting more and more ridiculous
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 17 2022, 05:38 PM)
it's actually 3 weeks or 21 days
and their outdoor rules are getting more and more ridiculous
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Changed already since 22 feb since they declare omicron doh.gif

3 weeks was for delta and Wuhan strain doh.gif
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is it written anywhere on the pack that its 100% detection rate? and verified by the Gomen?


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This the so called 100&% detectable rate made by malaysian..sold out online so currently very hard to find it.
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actually I'm not sure thats why I'm asking. thot I read somewhere that the self test kits can't detect omicron.

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where you got this fake info that omicron variant is not detectable?
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QUOTE(chuan1961 @ Mar 20 2022, 10:31 PM)
actually I'm not sure thats why I'm asking. thot I read somewhere that the self test kits can't detect omicron.
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If that’s case we would case numbers around dropping’s instead of rising doh.gif

Only thing self test kit cannot tell it is which type or variant or subvariant which is needed for genomic sequencing
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If Omicron is so mild, why hospital 7k+ while quarantine centre only 1.6k+?

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post Mar 21 2022, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(Twins10 @ Mar 21 2022, 03:48 AM)
If Omicron is so mild, why hospital 7k+ while quarantine centre only 1.6k+?
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I'm not quite sure what you're trying to imply, but don't forget the 260k and more under home quarantine.

More people in hospital than in quarantine centres, it could be that there are more hospitals located everywhere than there are quarantine centres.

Also it could be that the patients are loaded and have insurance, and can afford the specialist hospitals' fees and charges.


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post Mar 21 2022, 09:12 AM

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But test at clinic cost RM60. Give you a cert n upload yr results to kkm.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 16 2022, 04:36 PM)
they actually have cheap ones if u want

abbott for them is also expensive but hongkie of course see the price as cheap

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Thai's one are mostly Nasal swab too which i think is more accurate than ours which is mostly using saliva. Saliva another reason why the results are not accurate.
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QUOTE(Twins10 @ Mar 21 2022, 03:48 AM)
If Omicron is so mild, why hospital 7k+ while quarantine centre only 1.6k+?
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HAve you check how many of those in hospital are long stay doh.gif

CAC it is meant to be low as they will be assessed for either home quarantine or hospital treatment doh.gif
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post Mar 22 2022, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Twins10 @ Mar 21 2022, 03:48 AM)
If Omicron is so mild, why hospital 7k+ while quarantine centre only 1.6k+?
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if it was not mild, the hospital would have been overloaded

KKM haven't even expand their capacity yet
same thing in USA, their current healthcare system is able to withstand omicron...but not delta

 

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