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post Mar 10 2022, 03:01 PM, updated 4y ago

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Hi guys, new to lowyat forum. smile.gif smile.gif

Anyways, may I know if there are anybody here using a dishwasher?

Currently, I'm looking at Electrolux, Beko, Bosch. Anybody here got use before these brands? Any comment?

And is there any type of dishware I cannot put in the dishwasher?


Personally, I'm leaning more to Electrolux because I received great customer service from them when my washer broke down in the past but I hope u guys can share your experience of owning a dishwasher.
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post Mar 10 2022, 03:09 PM

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I use glo and sunlight only.
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post Mar 10 2022, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(matkewl @ Mar 10 2022, 03:09 PM)
I use glo and sunlight only.
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Using that too, but wash until handpain hahahaha....
I wash everything in my house...so yeah sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Mar 10 2022, 03:19 PM

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i use bosch, bought a display model. its all the same, other then soap tablet they use hot water, so could easily clean the stubborn plate
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post Mar 10 2022, 03:20 PM

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but for small amount of cleaning such as few plate, i suggest just use ure hand.
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post Mar 10 2022, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(azadhamid @ Mar 10 2022, 03:19 PM)
i use bosch, bought a display model. its all the same, other then soap tablet they use hot water, so could easily clean the stubborn plate
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Hi there,
How long have u used your unit? Any problems so far?

May I also ask if u use rinse aid or just dishwasher detergent only?
azadhamid
post Mar 10 2022, 03:26 PM

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i use electrolux for washer n dryer. never had problem with dryer. but for washer, have problem with ants getting into one of electronic parts. they immediately change the parts, not much question asked.
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post Mar 10 2022, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(untuklowyat @ Mar 10 2022, 03:24 PM)
Hi there,
How long have u used your unit? Any problems so far?

May I also ask if u use rinse aid or just dishwasher detergent only?
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My model use soap tablet (Finish brand), dont ask me how to use it only my wife know.
per tablet can wash a lot of plates, mug and even kuali, best used after family visitation smile.gif smile.gif. she never bising2 anymore.
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post Mar 10 2022, 03:30 PM

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beko is turkish brand? not so sure about after sales and parts because still new in our market.

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post Mar 10 2022, 04:24 PM

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Dishwasher is a great appliances. Makes your life much easier laugh.gif

But you need to have more plates & utensils than normal people. Because you would want to only run it when it is full. Each cycle would take around 2 hours. It saves water, not electricity. You need special dishwashing liquid for dishwasher, not the normal sunlight we use. Not everything could be put into a dishwasher, so you need to make sure the things you use at home is dishwasher friendly.

I don't have any at home. But my sister have 2 in her house. Teka brand. So far no complaint.
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I have been using dish washer for almost 12 years and they are really great in cleaning. First one I bought second hand a Fagor for just Rm400. Unfortunately it got damage when my house pipe leak. My current dish washer is a brand from Turkey “Brant”. Have been using it for 4 years now and is totally great.
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post Mar 11 2022, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(azadhamid @ Mar 10 2022, 03:30 PM)
beko is turkish brand? not so sure about after sales and parts because still new in our market.
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post Mar 11 2022, 06:50 AM

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QUOTE(sonerin @ Mar 10 2022, 09:00 PM)
I have been using dish washer for almost 12 years and they are really great in cleaning. First one I bought second hand a Fagor for just Rm400. Unfortunately it got damage when my house pipe leak. My current dish washer is a brand from Turkey “Brant”. Have been using it for 4 years now and is totally great.
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Alright thanks for sharing 😊
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post Mar 11 2022, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Mar 10 2022, 04:24 PM)
Dishwasher is a great appliances. Makes your life much easier laugh.gif

But you need to have more plates & utensils than normal people. Because you would want to only run it when it is full. Each cycle would take around 2 hours. It saves water, not electricity. You need special dishwashing liquid for dishwasher, not the normal sunlight we use. Not everything could be put into a dishwasher, so you need to make sure the things you use at home is dishwasher friendly.

I don't have any at home. But my sister have 2 in her house. Teka brand. So far no complaint.
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Not exactly true, I found a used Compact 8 place setting Toshiba Dishwasher for below RM800 from an expat who was leaving Malaysia; Brand new is about RM 950 - RM 1100

Eco-Mode takes 3.5hours to wash, rinse and dry

There is another programme that get stuff washed, rinse & dry in 1.5 hours too

Quick Mode takes about 35 mins to wash, and I can clean a greasy Air Fryer in no time. (one appliance everyone loves to use but no one wants to wash up)

Since this is a compact model, so can get filled quite fast & the power consumption is also low. I monitor my usage daily and I think on average it takes about 0.5 to 1 kwh unit.

You are right about not placing wood items, seasoned cast iron pans etc. However, other general items can be thrown into the dishwasher. A smaller compact unit is more worth it for a family of 4 - 6 persons.

Since only need 35 mins, I can run it twice if needed. Dried stuck on items require a longer wash cycle (ie Stainless Steel Rice Cooker Innerpot with overnight stuck on rice starch)

This post has been edited by dayalan86: Mar 11 2022, 09:59 AM
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post Mar 11 2022, 10:02 AM

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Also if you have a family or often have friends visiting, better to go for bigger capacity. From what I've seen people only regret getting the smaller capacity ones, instead of regretting getting a dishwasher.
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post Mar 11 2022, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Mar 11 2022, 09:55 AM)
Not exactly true, I found a used Compact 8 place setting Toshiba Dishwasher for below RM800 from an expat who was leaving Malaysia; Brand new is about RM 950 - RM 1100

Eco-Mode takes 3.5hours to wash, rinse and dry

There is another programme that get stuff washed, rinse & dry in 1.5 hours too

Quick Mode takes about 35 mins to wash, and I can clean a greasy Air Fryer in no time. (one appliance everyone loves to use but no one wants to wash up)

Since this is a compact model, so can get filled quite fast & the power consumption is also low. I monitor my usage daily and I think on average it takes about 0.5 to 1 kwh unit.

You are right about not placing wood items, seasoned cast iron pans etc. However, other general items can be thrown into the dishwasher. A smaller compact unit is more worth it for a family of 4 - 6 persons.

Since only need 35 mins, I can run it twice if needed. Dried stuck on items require a longer wash cycle (ie Stainless Steel Rice Cooker Innerpot with overnight stuck on rice starch)
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Oh I didn't know the quick wash setting also can cleaning greasy stuff like airfryer. I guess we all stuck with the mentality of more (time) = cleaner. Just like washing machine which most of the time we run full cotton setting. sweat.gif
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post Mar 11 2022, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Mar 11 2022, 09:55 AM)
Not exactly true, I found a used Compact 8 place setting Toshiba Dishwasher for below RM800 from an expat who was leaving Malaysia; Brand new is about RM 950 - RM 1100

Eco-Mode takes 3.5hours to wash, rinse and dry

There is another programme that get stuff washed, rinse & dry in 1.5 hours too

Quick Mode takes about 35 mins to wash, and I can clean a greasy Air Fryer in no time. (one appliance everyone loves to use but no one wants to wash up)

Since this is a compact model, so can get filled quite fast & the power consumption is also low. I monitor my usage daily and I think on average it takes about 0.5 to 1 kwh unit.

You are right about not placing wood items, seasoned cast iron pans etc. However, other general items can be thrown into the dishwasher. A smaller compact unit is more worth it for a family of 4 - 6 persons.

Since only need 35 mins, I can run it twice if needed. Dried stuck on items require a longer wash cycle (ie Stainless Steel Rice Cooker Innerpot with overnight stuck on rice starch)
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Hi, do you use rinse aid in the compact dishwasher or just the normal tablet only?
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post Mar 11 2022, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(untuklowyat @ Mar 11 2022, 01:25 PM)
Hi, do you use rinse aid in the compact dishwasher or just the normal tablet only?
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I prefer the dishwasher powder & rinse aid separately. Toshiba model can pre-set the dose amount of rinse aid based on requirement.

So far, I find the quick cycle leaves the item wet; the 1hr 30 minutes cycle properly washes, rinses and dries off (with rinse aid)
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Mar 11 2022, 10:44 AM)
Oh I didn't know the quick wash setting also can cleaning greasy stuff like airfryer. I guess we all stuck with the mentality of more (time) = cleaner. Just like washing machine which most of the time we run full cotton setting. sweat.gif
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But airfryer, I wipe off the excess grease first with kitchen towel before placing in dishwasher.

Worry the grease might clog my drain, more than the dishwasher itself.

So far, the air fryer basket is much more cleaner compared to manual washing.

Washing machine, yea we run full cotton cycle too but this really depends on washing machine brand and model. LG Front Load is one of the fastest we have used for standard cotton wash; around 1hr30 mins (even with extra rinse added in); unless I choose heavy soiled (or intensive as LG calls it); then it washes longer.

In any case, best to trial and error each programme; at first I also thought need to use the 1hr30 minutes cycle only on the dishwasher but 35 mins yields good results for me as well.
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QUOTE(kunited @ Mar 11 2022, 10:02 AM)
Also if you have a family or often have friends visiting, better to go for bigger capacity. From what I've seen people only regret getting the smaller capacity ones, instead of regretting getting a dishwasher.
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Very true, first bought a used Electrolux Tabletop Dishwasher for cheap; it cleaned well but was too small and couldn't fit some of our larger than usual dinner plates.

Eventually sold it off and bought a used Toshiba; my house doesn't have space for full sized dish washer. I find 8 place size is just nice for us; can fill up the major serving items and the small stuff like mugs and cast iron wok etc, we still handwash.

If family or friends visit, probably just have to do two loads I guess.

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any recommendation on the brands?

Prefer a narrow one for apartment use, as i would like to fit into the existing kitchen cabinet area that developer provided (i.e. minimal dismantling) . thanks
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post Mar 21 2022, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(zizso @ Mar 20 2022, 11:33 PM)
any recommendation on the brands?

Prefer a narrow one for apartment use, as i would like to fit into the existing kitchen cabinet area that developer provided (i.e. minimal dismantling) . thanks
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Nobody can imagine the kitchen cabinet area.
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post Mar 21 2022, 12:55 PM

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I made my kitchen to fit a dishwasher

it has been like what, 4 years

Most important thing sondary thing in my kitchen. Time saver, life saver, stress reducer, semua laaa

Best decision EVER
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QUOTE(ijan @ Mar 21 2022, 12:55 PM)
I made my kitchen to fit a dishwasher

it has been like what, 4 years

Most important thing sondary thing in my kitchen. Time saver, life saver, stress reducer, semua laaa

Best decision EVER
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oh really?
well- my wife insisting to get one for our new house.
i am like 50:50

my guess is that i would take 20 mins to was and clean all the dishes with hand.
while to rinse and place one by one will take 10 mins, and to take out after it is done take another 5 mins

so in the end only save like 5 mins.?

hope can hear more and get more view.
if to buy, either Bosh or Electrolux.

> agreed if buy, then buy a full size one.
> agreed to use, only if a complete family dinner ( say 10 plates large and small, and 2 pots)

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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Mar 21 2022, 06:36 PM)
oh really?
well- my wife insisting to get one for our new house.
i am like 50:50

my guess is that i would take 20 mins to was and clean all the dishes with hand.
while to rinse and place one by one will take 10 mins, and to take out after it is done take another 5 mins

so in the end only save like 5 mins.?

hope can hear more and get more view.
if to buy, either Bosh or Electrolux.

> agreed if buy, then buy a full size one.
> agreed to use, only if a complete family dinner ( say 10 plates large and small, and 2 pots)
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You think
You try and kira dulu the time

Placing dished is like after every time pakai letak dalam, habis cycle take out. I kira, not more than 10 mins in total thorughout the day (in/out)

Its just not time that is being saves, its the stress level laugh.gif

Last time hate it to cook, or eat at home. After the dishwasher, I never had a negative thought about doing the dishes. Dulu I run once every 2-3 days, now its almost daily, between 1-2 days because I just dont care thumbup.gif One less thing on the mind Bro

Oh, I use Beko DFN, sbb it was cheap, so at the time on the pagar like you, at least kalau white elephant not that costly of an elephant.
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thanks bro. good advice.

i think we cant stand to put dirty dish inside and keep it over night.
need to run daily, unless very little dish then use hand to wash
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post Mar 22 2022, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(ijan @ Mar 22 2022, 07:46 AM)
You think
You try and kira dulu the time

Placing dished is like after every time pakai letak dalam, habis cycle take out. I kira, not more than 10 mins in total thorughout the day (in/out)

Its just not time that is being saves, its the stress level  laugh.gif

Last time hate it to cook, or eat at home. After the dishwasher, I never had a negative thought about doing the dishes. Dulu I run once every 2-3 days, now its almost daily, between 1-2 days because I just dont care  thumbup.gif  One less thing on the mind Bro

Oh, I use Beko DFN, sbb it was cheap, so at the time on the pagar like you, at least kalau white elephant not that costly of an elephant.
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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Mar 21 2022, 06:36 PM)
oh really?
well- my wife insisting to get one for our new house.
i am like 50:50

my guess is that i would take 20 mins to was and clean all the dishes with hand.
while to rinse and place one by one will take 10 mins, and to take out after it is done take another 5 mins

so in the end only save like 5 mins.?

hope can hear more and get more view.
if to buy, either Bosh or Electrolux.

> agreed if buy, then buy a full size one.
> agreed to use, only if a complete family dinner ( say 10 plates large and small, and 2 pots)
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Bro, like bro ijan said, 5 min put in 5 min take out.... in between 35 min u can do many things including family bonding..... brows.gif

n yes, if space allow, get a full size 1....
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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Mar 21 2022, 06:36 PM)
oh really?
well- my wife insisting to get one for our new house.
i am like 50:50

my guess is that i would take 20 mins to was and clean all the dishes with hand.
while to rinse and place one by one will take 10 mins, and to take out after it is done take another 5 mins

so in the end only save like 5 mins.?

hope can hear more and get more view.
if to buy, either Bosh or Electrolux.

> agreed if buy, then buy a full size one.
> agreed to use, only if a complete family dinner ( say 10 plates large and small, and 2 pots)
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Even normal 2pax din din can take 1hr to clean
Not just the plates but the pots and pans as well whistling.gif

QUOTE(ijan @ Mar 22 2022, 07:46 AM)
You think
You try and kira dulu the time

Placing dished is like after every time pakai letak dalam, habis cycle take out. I kira, not more than 10 mins in total thorughout the day (in/out)

Its just not time that is being saves, its the stress level  laugh.gif

Last time hate it to cook, or eat at home. After the dishwasher, I never had a negative thought about doing the dishes. Dulu I run once every 2-3 days, now its almost daily, between 1-2 days because I just dont care  thumbup.gif  One less thing on the mind Bro

Oh, I use Beko DFN, sbb it was cheap, so at the time on the pagar like you, at least kalau white elephant not that costly of an elephant.
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My white elephant Fagor full size was 1700 I think.
How much is urs?

QUOTE(YH820 @ Mar 22 2022, 05:13 PM)
Bro, like bro ijan said, 5 min put in 5 min take out.... in between 35 min u can do many things including family bonding..... brows.gif

n yes, if space allow, get a full size 1....
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Agreed..the 1hr saved can watch tv or rest.
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haha.... so many goodness.... but since there are so many users here,

I hav 1 question:

I think they recommend to open the door a little bit after the dishwasher done washing the dishes, do u guys do it everytime?

is there a big difference if dun open?

some may ask wat is the purpose of opening the door.....
correct me if im wrong:
for the hot air of drying dishes to escape and prevent condensation back to the plate.... so end up dryer dishes.....

** only some top end model has auto open door after done function**


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QUOTE(YH820 @ Mar 23 2022, 04:58 PM)
haha.... so many goodness.... but since there are so many users here,

I hav 1 question:

I think they recommend to open the door a little bit after the dishwasher done washing the dishes, do u guys do it everytime?

is there a big difference if dun open?

some may ask wat is the purpose of opening the door.....
correct me if im wrong:
for the hot air of drying dishes to escape and prevent condensation back to the plate.... so end up dryer dishes.....

** only some top end model has auto open door after done function**
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Yes we always let it breathe after dishes are done, to dry out the DW as well.
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QUOTE(YH820 @ Mar 23 2022, 04:58 PM)
haha.... so many goodness.... but since there are so many users here,

I hav 1 question:

I think they recommend to open the door a little bit after the dishwasher done washing the dishes, do u guys do it everytime?

is there a big difference if dun open?

some may ask wat is the purpose of opening the door.....
correct me if im wrong:
for the hot air of drying dishes to escape and prevent condensation back to the plate.... so end up dryer dishes.....

** only some top end model has auto open door after done function**
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some older one recommends such action

Some newer one, with the help of rinse-aid, and internal ventilation fan+high heat final rinse x perlu.

However, malaysia weather climatic laaa, 80% of the time it dries perfectly, 20% of the time ada wet. IF i happen to pass by and the dish is there and malas nk simpan, i just open the door ajar until someone datang rajin to kemas

@ceo684 SenQ with some crazy rebate atm around rm2.2k kottt.
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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Mar 23 2022, 10:30 PM)
Yes we always let it breathe after dishes are done, to dry out the DW as well.
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ooooooo icic...... good habit.... laugh.gif

QUOTE(ijan @ Mar 24 2022, 03:46 PM)
some older one recommends such action

Some newer one, with the help of rinse-aid, and internal ventilation fan+high heat final rinse x perlu.

However, malaysia weather climatic laaa, 80% of the time it dries perfectly, 20% of the time ada wet. IF i happen to pass by and the dish is there and malas nk simpan, i just open the door ajar until someone datang rajin to kemas

@ceo684 SenQ with some crazy rebate atm around rm2.2k kottt.
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oh oh.... now u made me curious which newer one.... brows.gif
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QUOTE(untuklowyat @ Mar 10 2022, 03:01 PM)
Hi guys, new to lowyat forum. smile.gif  smile.gif

Anyways, may I know if there are anybody here using a dishwasher?

Currently, I'm looking at Electrolux, Beko, Bosch. Anybody here got use before these brands? Any comment?

And is there any type of dishware I cannot put in the dishwasher?
Personally, I'm leaning more to Electrolux because I received great customer service from them when my washer broke down in the past but I hope u guys can share your experience of owning a dishwasher.
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I'm using a Bosch built in dishwasher. It's 5 years old and I've owned it for the last 6 months. It hasn't given any trouble and according to the expatriate family that owned it before me it has never needed any service or repairs other than they replaced all the gaskets for precautionary reasons. Before I installed it into my cabinet, I had the pump replaced as I didn't want a situation where it had to be dismantled because it requires maintenance.

I also have a smaller dishwasher. It's a Fotile and access is from the top rather than front. It is perfect for smaller households or those who don't want to wait for a full load to run the machine. I mainly use it to wash fruits and vegetables though.

Items you shouldn't put in a dishwasher?
-Knives.
-Crystal.
-Metallic etched china.
-Non stick pans.
-Cast iron pans.
-Stainless steel pans.
-Many plastic dishes.
-Wood, especially wooden bowls or cutting boards.
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QUOTE(YH820 @ Mar 24 2022, 05:09 PM)
ooooooo icic...... good habit.... laugh.gif
oh oh.... now u made me curious which newer one.... brows.gif
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eyh, most NOW punya dishwasher xperlu dah

the older on uses heating element as a dryer, and do not have ventilation (due to limited design spec atm). ATM thats why most plastics xbley masuk DW, or ada certain type can, but upper rack, sbb bottom rack near the heater. Old one la ini

New one ada vent fan/hole that can be closed during washing cycle, uses high temp water and rinse aid to aid drying (hot water+hot materials = high heat load+water evaporation)


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Hey all.. Need some advice trying to choose the best option between these 3 Bosch models. SMI4HCS48E, SMS4HCI60E, and the SMS4HMC01R. I sorta understand cleaning-wise they'll all perform satisfactorily. However, which would be the better option to go with in a new cabinet build. Thanks.

Edit: Worth it to ignore em & just spend more to get the SMS6ECC51E instead? The dishwasher will be used at least twice weekly. ☺️

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QUOTE(R231_SL65_AMG @ Mar 24 2022, 05:16 PM)

I also have a smaller dishwasher. It's a Fotile and access is from the top rather than front. It is perfect for smaller households or those who don't want to wait for a full load to run the machine. I mainly use it to wash fruits and vegetables though.

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Is it this product: FOTILE SD2F-P6 [3-in-1] Sink Dishwasher

I am seriously considering this one but price is 🤯 is it good for dishwashing?

Otherwise I was considering a countertop Bosch (space limitations and cost of cabinet make it difficult to retrofit a built in/freestanding), is the Bosch countertop any good?
[NEW] Bosch Series 2 Compact Dishwasher - SKS2ITW00E (Online Exclusive)


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Bought a Beko countertop dishwasher (small) and pretty good... not as big as those full size as small family of 4 people just nice... 1 meal or 2 meal can fill up the dishwasher and clean... result pretty good... can also fit into kitchen cabinet if want... but I left it in yard top of washing machine... kitchen too much gadget and coffee machine no space there hahaha

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Ate those smaller table top dishwashers ok?
Saw Xiaomi, Midea etc sub RM1k type.
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post Aug 26 2025, 02:52 PM

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I am using Toshiba Dish washing. You really need to spare a lot of plate, spoon, fork because you may be have to accumulate from morning until dinner before press start.
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post Aug 29 2025, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(giftfre @ Aug 26 2025, 02:52 PM)
I am using Toshiba Dish washing. You really need to spare a lot of plate, spoon, fork because you may be have to accumulate from morning until dinner before press start.
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How much does it cost you for the Toshiba dishwasher?
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post Sep 3 2025, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(free2d @ Aug 26 2025, 02:49 PM)
Ate those smaller table top dishwashers ok?
Saw Xiaomi, Midea etc sub RM1k type.
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Ok so far table / countertop dishwasher Beko / Midea/ Xiaomi so far ok je.
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post Sep 6 2025, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Jul 21 2025, 11:10 AM)
Is it this product: FOTILE SD2F-P6 [3-in-1] Sink Dishwasher

I am seriously considering this one but price is 🤯 is it good for dishwashing?

Otherwise I was considering a countertop Bosch (space limitations and cost of cabinet make it difficult to retrofit a built in/freestanding), is the Bosch countertop any good?
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product is good and best part is no need bend down, very convenient.

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