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post Mar 1 2022, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 1 2022, 10:22 AM)
wah all their selections good leh.. much better than Stashaway.

SPY, QQQ, VT, VWOB, VNQ all are good ETFs. Many diversified bond ETFs also.

only ASHR is pure China ETF but don't see any allocation to it, maybe in future when it improves.

so far looks good.. prefer this over Stashaway's portfolio any time  thumbup.gif
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Beware as there’s RSX inside and be prepared KDI might even start buying 9nce the war is over doh.gif

QUOTE(bcombat @ Mar 1 2022, 03:35 PM)
what is this? SHV, BWX etc?
Need to google one by one to find out?
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SHV is ishares short term us treasury bond

BWX is bloomberg us treasury bond most likely short to medium term

In fact the bond are solids so far
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post Mar 1 2022, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 1 2022, 04:07 PM)
some ppl die2 don't want to DIY coz of time and trouble (need to transfer money here and there), and also more likely to keep checking their investments since they managing it themselves. They rather just concentrate fully in their work/study.

Actually I'm also tempted to just use Robo advisor 100%.. sometimes feel pain keep use Wise to send money to IBKR. If invest in the more niche ETF will concern also - once a day will check at least. For Robo advisors they will help rebalance when an ETF is not doing too good, or change it to another. If DIY all these have to ownself handle.
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ROBO adavantages is rebalancing, reoptimizing and fractional shares

DIY is for long term hold one way and only cash out as a last resort

If robo can sell and rebuy the same day via float system that’s would be next level investing rclxms.gif
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post Mar 2 2022, 04:40 AM

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QUOTE(CoolStoryWriter @ Mar 1 2022, 09:03 PM)
now that the ETFs for KDI has come out, any thoughts?

Seem like KDI focuses only on USA, quite scared if anything happens, while SA is more international that includes Canada and Australia
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YOU need to check list as there international from Ewz to rsx which is currently trending crash doh.gif
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post Mar 2 2022, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 2 2022, 10:01 AM)
don't see anyone's porfolio has these 2 allocated. It's just there in the statement.
KDI should remove them if they are currently not investing in these ETFs.
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If it in the list it means they are allocated it for portfolio management doh.gif

Only thing is question on how they use the AI for the asset allocation

QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Mar 2 2022, 10:09 AM)
i think it's there for the "AI" to choose. so if you are unlucky to have it chosen for you, make noise to kenaga to remove.
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AI is to perform buy, sell, reopt, rebalancing and fractional purposes only doh.gif
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post Mar 2 2022, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 2 2022, 10:27 AM)
Ok maybe I'm wrong.. they claim it is 100% AI driven:

https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/investment/...bo-advisor.html
As of now seems like they focusing on US market:
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Not focusing on US market share but focusing on US exchange offering ETFs covering asset classes across the world doh.gif

Which is why EWZ and RSX are in the list or pool
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post Mar 2 2022, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 2 2022, 10:31 AM)
Ok la.. since they already stress tested it before launch of product:
better than Freddy Lim simply dumping people's money into KWEB  whistling.gif
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SA also stress test doh.gif

Different style whereby SA it is fixed asset allocation whereby KDI dynamic asset allocation

While MyTheo is in between those 2
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post Mar 2 2022, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 2 2022, 10:33 AM)
If the AI is claimed to be that smart they will avoid these 2 for now.. maybe one day when they shooting to moon then only invest in them (unlikely).  smile.gif

will monitor the statements closely.
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EWZ is Brazil ETF which is fine because is heavily dominated by commodities export

While RSX is currently a basket case thanks to Putin

Why KDI choose both in the pool it is because allocation to EM and commodities export driven while SA are oth are allocating via EWA and EWC

You should be worried instead if they allocating it to EWM doh.gif and by the time you monitor the statements it is too late as they have allocated the buy order already doh.gif

KDI it is more 100% on their FAME ML which you can questioned the manager who are doing the asset allocation without any disclosure upfront doh.gif

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ Mar 2 2022, 05:22 PM)
After looking through KDI invest i think I'll pass, as some mentioned the lack of transparency on backtesting is a bit of a red flag for me.

That said, the 0 fees for under RM3k makes this nice for very small fry investor beginners.

KDI Save will be good for short term cash parking with current rates.
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KDI save is the bonus while invest just have to be careful because their asset allocation regime is not transparent enough unlike SA doh.gif
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post Mar 4 2022, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 4 2022, 09:42 AM)
Yeah, Over 1 year +, SA sucks. I'd put some money to test there. Was planning to test for 3 years. Now i am not sure want to put that long.
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Forget about SA this coming year doh.gif

QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 4 2022, 10:41 AM)
likely due to KWEB.. especially for the higher risk in the General Investing Portfolio, since allocation for KWEB there will be even more.

KWEB been going down since Feb 2021, from 102 down to today 30+ USD a share:

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This is the main reason why I stay away from Stashaway. Their portfolio manager keep very gungho on this ETF.
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Gonna drop soon below at all time low anytime this year doh.gif
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post Mar 5 2022, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(lovelyuser @ Mar 5 2022, 08:48 AM)
I think we have to look at this in a bigger perspective.

Imagine KDI launch last year, and SA just launch this month, I believe KDI will be condemn at this moment. Why? Very simple, the market last year is on high side.

All investment associate with risk, understand it before you jump in. Be ready to average down, KDI or SA are investing in ETF, which is a basket of good underlying.

Whatever go down will recover, whatever go up will have retracement, but crash to crash, market always recover and trending higher
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SA is long gone once they intro KWEB into it

Even now 5years it is dismal for 36% SRI returns while taking a whole a lot of risk doh.gif

A lot has lost now since KWEB gonna return all time anything me this year doh.gif

QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 5 2022, 09:16 AM)
Compare both KDI Invest vs Stashaway list of ETFs. That is how I come to conclusion KDI is better. Stashaway made a mistake of choosing kweb. Many people lost money coz of it. Few days ago broke new low reaching 30 usd. Earlier was 32 usd.

Not sure how much KWEB or China paid them to invest in it. Earlier they were doing well before introduction of KWEB etf.
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KDI pool ETFs are far superior than SA because only rotate on SPDR for US sectors

KDI if they improve and list out the pool of ETFs like MyTheo then they will be strong contender

Only thing now they must offer multi portfolio
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 5 2022, 06:40 PM)
*SA is long gone once they intro KWEB into it....

does he really know that SA started with KWEB in some of the port since inception of the port?
only for 30% SRI port had KWEB allocation doubled in July 2021
does he really know that prior to FEB 2021,.....SA port with KWEB had been doing well?
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SA started with XLK before moving to KWEB during Covid to take advantage of China economy boom of that year doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

- [XLK] Global Technology: Exited May 2020 exercise. No holdings since then. They claimed that the whole sector is massively overpriced at that point in time in their webinars. It was less than 100 in May 2020, and its above 150 now. That’s a whopping 60% of potential gains totally missed out.

- [KWEB] China Technology: Entered May 2020 exercise, no change for this round of re-optimization. Yes, Stashaway chose KWEB over XLK. No surprise why new Stashaway consumers are sitting on losses, especially those that started since the start of this year who tanked through the 40% losses or this. Looking at the new wave of crackdown launched by China recently with no end in sight, I’m extremely alarmed this is still part of the portfolio.
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post Mar 5 2022, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 5 2022, 07:52 PM)
so it is still not "SA is long gone once they intro KWEB into it"....for from May 2020 till Feb 2021....how did it performed? so your statement is NOT true....  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

long gone...after Xi actions...not about SA selection of KWEB....

there is a different reasons for "long gone"....
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Try’s comparing instead if the reopt doesn’t even happen those who are pioneers would be still green during that period doh.gif because XLK would have Carrie day more gains than KWEB doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 5 2022, 10:39 PM)
Agree. XLK is a much better option. KWEB not sure when can go up is like keep sea of red no matter how well general stock market is performing.

Really dumb for Stashaway to switch from XLK to KWEB. If they experiment see not working should quickly switch back to XLK or some better ETF la. Keep die die say China tech etf is good. All over the news we can see what’s happening.
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If SA stick to their pioneer philosophy by rotating based on SPDR sectors and geographical it would have been green now still

If you seen the 5 years graph they displaying it is worrying that they might even cut loss at the next reopt with KWEB

I rather have SA buy into QQQ instead of XLK doh.gif

QUOTE(abcn1n @ Mar 5 2022, 11:01 PM)
Thanks for your answer
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KDI way better than Versa and Simple forget about those rates are proj3cted and not guaranteed doh.gif
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post Mar 6 2022, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 6 2022, 12:47 PM)
Hmm....maybe I will throw my SA testing fund into KDI Invest All-in...
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Check the pool of ETFs of KDI before you go ahead

For inflation hedging better off put in MyTheo

QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Mar 6 2022, 01:34 PM)
I open account yesterday afternoon but until now it's still not approve. Is it coz of weekends?
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Yes opening approval only done on working day

QUOTE(lovelyuser @ Mar 6 2022, 01:35 PM)
Though AI work all day long, but I believe they still need human to do the back end verification
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Back end verification is only done for deposit and withdrawal when AI does all the allocation, buy, sell and rebalancing

QUOTE(leo_kiatez @ Mar 6 2022, 05:19 PM)
Why need to open so many KDI accounts, bro?
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Multi portfolio purposes
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post Mar 7 2022, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 7 2022, 08:34 AM)
Fees alone scary for small fry investors:
https://www.mytheo.my/mytheo/mytheo-explain...vesting-section
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Sometimes you have to pay to gain doh.gif

Unlike SA a lot paying fees yet still negative doh.gif
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post Mar 7 2022, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Mar 7 2022, 08:42 AM)
So in event of market collapse, we still need to bear that 1% fee on top of losses?
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WHether you in SA KDI or MyTheo irregardless markets up or down you still have to pay the fees doh.gif

If you scared then by all means put your money in gold FD or MMF then doh.gif
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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 7 2022, 09:42 AM)
If small fees fair lah...you open shop, hire Bangala runs for you, regardless your shop makes money or not, still need to pay Bangala right?

But the fees have to be small lah, especially for small fry investors like me.
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THat’s why you pay more for better quality workers otherwise how can you make money doh.gif

QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 7 2022, 10:09 AM)
ok will give mytheo a try also for their income and inflation hedge portfolio.
problem now is can't login. walaowe..  doh.gif
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Income portfolio you better off buying DIY as it would cheaper unless you are putting small amount because the returns are dismal compared to MMF rates

At the moment inflation hedge is running hot with DBB and DBO is ATH that’s why you need to be aware because YTD is at 5% gain so you need to slowly DCA on the dips

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post Mar 8 2022, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Mar 8 2022, 03:09 PM)
Another problem with KDI Invest.
Gonna withdraw my funds. Unacceptable error with their app since I can’t change the risk once money is in.

Check both your portfolio and profile, they could end up being different:
user posted image
user posted imageh

When I first registered only put aggressive growth . Then after that I changed to conservative before funds entered. Still till today it chose this. So means my funds are in aggressive growth without my consent? Hence why I’m thinking why allocated 34.61% to equity? Doesn’t make sense. Only found out today.

Does this look like conservative portfolio? Not at all:

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Gonna wait they iron this out first. Tested out MYTHEO so far much better than their interface. Or can consider Stashaway also. Right now KDI invest still a mess.

Edit: already sent an email to digitalinvesting@kenanga.com.my with all the screenshots.
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Downsides of kDI still no multi portfolios and switching

KDI invest still a gamble because everything stillness broken except their AI asset allocations doh.gif
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post Mar 10 2022, 06:47 AM

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QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Mar 9 2022, 11:40 PM)
took 3 days to change risk profile for KDI invest. (Balance -> Growth)
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Very slow compared slow to MyTheo and SA doh.gif

QUOTE(sweetpea123 @ Mar 9 2022, 11:56 PM)
there's no option to select KDI SAVE during registration? it only prompted me to select KDI Invest portfolio
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Just answer the questionnaire once the account is approve don’t it will have both save and invest

When deposit make sure you select the right tab

Anyway so long you don’t touch invest and don’t deposit more than rm250 at one time won’t go wrong deposit into save rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(whycanot323 @ Mar 10 2022, 04:52 PM)
higher than PHILLIP MASTER MONEY MARKET FUND and STASHAWAY SIMPLE right ?
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DEFinitely those are sub 2% doh.gif

QUOTE(elea88 @ Mar 10 2022, 10:04 PM)
the question is .. have anybody tried withdraw 200k at one go? or is there a limit?
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No issue as long min rm100 in account otherwise full withdrawal then doh.gif

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