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mini orchard
post Feb 17 2022, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Feb 17 2022, 08:59 AM)
Inform your tenant saying the unpaid electrical bills will deduct from the deposit.
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Once you allow or start this way, he will also do the same for rental.

Utilities deposit are only meant to cover for final bill when TA expires.

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post Feb 17 2022, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Feb 17 2022, 09:08 AM)
Deposit is for owner backup right?

If he do the same for rental then you can kick him out already.
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Why want to teach tenant. Just remind him to pay.
mini orchard
post Feb 17 2022, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 09:11 AM)
2±1 deposit?

Ask them to pay balance if not kick out.

After they pay, drag them go TNB change their name as tenant. Future liability will be under them even they run away.
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Doesnt matter tenant account or owner. As long bill not paid and supply cut, no future elect reconnection.
mini orchard
post Feb 17 2022, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Feb 17 2022, 09:16 AM)
Sometimes when you met some bad tenant, don't bother to teach.

They purposely want to drag the payment.

But if the contract both of you signed have the TnC written clearly, then he and you know what is the consequences of not paying the bills/rental.
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If tenant worried about consequences, he wont delay or default.


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post Feb 17 2022, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 09:17 AM)
Then they give us option to change to tenant for what? Reconnection able to do but need to pay. I believed changing to tenant help truly helps instead the bill stick to your name. Currently TNB made it easier to do changing name to tenant.
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This topic has been discuss many times in Serious Kopitiam.

No payment, no supply ...

Search for old thread.
mini orchard
post Feb 17 2022, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Feb 17 2022, 09:20 AM)
Haha. You haven't met worst biggrin.gif
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That why I do homestay ..4 years oredi.


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post Feb 17 2022, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(nebula87 @ Feb 17 2022, 09:23 AM)
Ya, that's why.

But Homestay will its own issue too.
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One or 2 nights, not much can be done.

Afterall Airbnb have insurance cover for host.
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post Feb 17 2022, 09:30 AM

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post Feb 17 2022, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 09:34 AM)
What the fk. Bit bullshit then. At least safe from CTOS/CCRIS.
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Tnb only want money. Doesnt matter who pays or whose account.
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post Feb 17 2022, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Feb 17 2022, 09:41 AM)
1. Forfeit the utilities deposit AND securities deposit (non payment of utilities is a breach of tenancy terms and gives landlord the right to forfeit securities deposit, in most instances)
2. Terminate tenancy agreement with immediate effect
3. Sue tenant in court for double rental (in the event he refuses to shift out) AND recovery of outstanding utilities (assuming your deposit is insufficient to cover the arreas).
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Many tenants are like nomad. Is not easy to issue them legal documents.
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post Feb 17 2022, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(chupapi_munyayo @ Feb 17 2022, 11:08 AM)
tumpang asking

apartment/condo
management or service fee, sinking fund all pay by landlord or tenant
let say around rm250
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Service fee is 'enjoyment' of facilities ... tenant

Singking Fund is repair and upkeep (wear and tear) ... landlord

Landlord should include service fee in the rent.
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post Feb 17 2022, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Feb 17 2022, 12:11 PM)
has anyone of you ask management to bar assess card when tenant did not pay up ?

I am thinking of asking management to do so. owe me 3 months already. This renting business really headache. Next time really need to screen tenant before agreeing to rent.

BTW, how do we do a CTOS check?
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As owner, one can request to suspend access card without having to give reason.

Only owner can authorised reactivation.

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post Feb 17 2022, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Feb 17 2022, 12:37 PM)
Alright, it's just... as a human being, sometimes I wish i don't have to resort to this but... real world sometimes don't work that way..

The previous tenant is good, paid up on time, and if there was delay he will tell me as courtesy.

This current one, if you don't remind her, she diam diam will delay... giving all sorts of excuse.

but... at least she pays... for the last 4 years... but the experience was unpleasant, having need to chase the rent ...
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I suggest to have a discussion face to face to sort out. If she is in financial difficulty, give up the tenant. Ask her to find a cheaper place.

As landlord, I am not prepare to chase for the next few years, albeit she is paying ... but not on time always.
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post Feb 17 2022, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Feb 17 2022, 01:32 PM)
Lets just say that I'm in the business of suing and being sued.

In general, Landlords usually have a strong case against a tenant, PROVIDED that the terms of the tenancy agreement are clear, precise and free from ambiguity.

the Landlord only needs to prove that there is a breach of the terms under the tenancy agreement to be entitled to any remedy/compensation/damages under the Tenancy Agreement.

Landlord usually wins in such disputes, unless the landlord himself has not adhered to/complied with the provisions under the tenancy agreements.
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Would you proceed to sue if the tenant owes 2 to 3 months after minus tbe security deposits ?

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post Feb 17 2022, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Feb 17 2022, 03:01 PM)
Like i mentioned.

Would the cost of legal proceedings for the recovery exceed the value of the total unpaid bills?

If yes, then it is not worth it, all things considered.
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The important criteria of all is whether the defaulted tenant has the ability to pay after judgement.

If bankruptcy is the ultimate end, then proceed at whatever cost.
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post Feb 17 2022, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Feb 17 2022, 03:29 PM)
There are some folks would rather be bankrupt than pay their debt.

Another issue is that, would the minimum debt threshold for bankruptcy be met?
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Agreed.

That why to sue without getting the money is like paying good money to chase bad.

Unless one know tenants profile, one has to consider seriously whether is worth the journey.

No point wining in paper judgement.
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post Feb 17 2022, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(Accord2018 @ Feb 17 2022, 03:49 PM)
Nola, the judge can let your tenant to choose to pay a lump sum or by installment one. If after that he no pay you, then you apply send him to prison for up to 6 weeks. You see he faster sells everything to pay you or not.
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QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Feb 17 2022, 03:59 PM)
The judge decides on what is pleaded in the Landlord's claim, which generally would be the full lump sum payment. It is not a choice on the part of the Tenant.

Debt incurred by the Landlord is immediately payable upon service of judgement on the Tenant.

Payment in installments would only be relevant if parties enter a consent judgement/execute a settlement agreement agreeing to a installment payment manner, where the quantum and date would be spelt out clearly.
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Normally, tenants wont appear for court cases unless he has a 50/50 of winning.

Even if can pay, he will wait for enforcement of judgement...similar to last minute withdrawal of auction cases.

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post Feb 17 2022, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 04:36 PM)
This is the reply from TNB careline.

In the case that mini orchard presented, the amount might be to big to be ignored by TNB as the owner didn't bother to check the money owed on money basis. TNB apps already existed more than 3 years ago, that's how I check as it's ease me.

For smaller amount case, I believed the changing name and reconnection should be no issue.
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If the amount is small, most landlord would just pay off for reconnection.

Even if allowed under special cases, also need higher authority approval and take time unless landlord dont mind vacant period. Is similar to writing off 'bad debts'

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post Feb 17 2022, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(sykz @ Feb 17 2022, 05:26 PM)
Thank you for your deviation of subject and to put TS case in context to make it interesting, does the amount owed amounted as per your example or applicable to him as what I suggested?

Will not reply further. I already suggested solutions and provided info for clear clarification from TNB on the blacklisting and reconnection issue. Purpose of my reply is to help him. Not to nitpicking for the sake of it. I'm done here.
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TS issue is not about tenant having an account.

Is still in his name and he has to pay up no matter the amount outstanding and deduct from the utilities deposit.



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post Feb 17 2022, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(Jasther @ Feb 17 2022, 05:34 PM)
u can terminate the TNB under your name and ask them to register their own. so if they dont pay it's under their name. when they quit, then their responsibility to cancel it also.
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If tenant dont cancel and how many do that if they have outstanding more than the deposit ?

QUOTE(contagiouseddie @ Feb 17 2022, 05:34 PM)
It all start with a small tiny hill. Then it starts to grow bigger and bigger if left unchecked. Had 2 tenant electric bill 7.5K & water 2.5K, the other electric 3K and water 1K. Both also lari at the end. Always put their name and not ours as the account. Michael Chong selalu cakap, don't put your own name ar!!! Saw one of his press conference with a 700K electric bill before.
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If tenant pay up, no issue for landlord.

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