Hi,

this is my first time renting out my apartment.

Currently the tenant already accumulated 2 months bill and havent pay yet.

If i am you , what will u do ?

Also actually how long didnt pay they will cut the electric and how much to reinstall back ?

Inform your tenant saying the unpaid electrical bills will deduct from the deposit.

how long u waited before u deduct ?

Should have let them connect electricity under their name. Anyway if under your name you can ask TNB to cut power anytime, right?

Like your situation now, 2 months of unpaid bills.

ya i can ask tnb to cut.

but just wonder what is the "standard" wait time or wait until tnb come cut ?

if tnb come cut, what is the penalty ?

Why dont u just whatsapp them and screenshot the unpaid bill?

Sometimes they forget. Sometimes they too busy.

Also be mindful to msg them with a casual hey bro i notice u havent pay the tnb bill yet. Dont forget to pay and forward the receipt to me once done ya.

Just treat them with respect. Im sure they would pay it once rhey receive the msg

Once you allow or start this way, he will also do the same for rental.

Utilities deposit are only meant to cover for final bill when TA expires.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Feb 17 2022, 09:06 AM

To make it easier for them to monitor and make payment. I would suggest them to install the tnb apps and add your tnb account no as tenants. They can easily monitor the bills and make pymt thr by fpx.

Even air selangor is also can be done.

Deposit is for owner backup right?

If he do the same for rental then you can kick him out already.

Why want to teach tenant. Just remind him to pay.

2±1 deposit?

Ask them to pay balance if not kick out.

After they pay, drag them go TNB change their name as tenant. Future liability will be under them even they run away.

already did many times.

If terminated because not paying, yes penalty involved but not sure if you requested to terminate service.

Talk to tenant and probably transfer the utility bill under tenant name. Here is your guide

https://blog.portalhartanah.com/tukar-nama-...l-elektrik-tnb/

Doesnt matter tenant account or owner. As long bill not paid and supply cut, no future elect reconnection.

Sometimes when you met some bad tenant, don't bother to teach.

They purposely want to drag the payment.

But if the contract both of you signed have the TnC written clearly, then he and you know what is the consequences of not paying the bills/rental.

Then they give us option to change to tenant for what? Reconnection able to do but need to pay. I believed changing to tenant help truly helps instead the bill stick to your name. Currently TNB made it easier to do changing name to tenant.

If tenant worried about consequences, he wont delay or default.

This topic has been discuss many times in Serious Kopitiam.

No payment, no supply ...

Search for old thread.

Haha. You haven't met worst

That why I do homestay ..4 years oredi.

Ya, that's why.

But Homestay will its own issue too.

One or 2 nights, not much can be done.

Afterall Airbnb have insurance cover for host.

Reconnection cant be done on the same address/unit even wiv different tnb acc name . Change to tenant name might prevent u hv bad report in ctos ccris.

if every month just below then RM 20 - 40.... i think 7 month aso wont cut....
last time my house just that amount... 7 month still not yet cut...

I won't change name if I were u. This gives me a leverage. If they don't pay, I have the authority to ask tnb to cut. As simple as that.

Also if u don't want so much headache in the future, get insurance like speedhome

This post has been edited by annoymous1234: Feb 17 2022, 09:33 AM

What the fk. Bit bullshit then. At least safe from CTOS/CCRIS.

Tell and remind him to pay or risk eviction, deposit are never meant to be deducted, as it's your final trump card as collateral.
Later deducted, he move out you also another headache

1. Forfeit the utilities deposit AND securities deposit (non payment of utilities is a breach of tenancy terms and gives landlord the right to forfeit securities deposit, in most instances)
2. Terminate tenancy agreement with immediate effect
3. Sue tenant in court for double rental (in the event he refuses to shift out) AND recovery of outstanding utilities (assuming your deposit is insufficient to cover the arreas).

This post has been edited by Mr Mercedes: Feb 17 2022, 09:41 AM

This i agree.

Tnb only want money. Doesnt matter who pays or whose account.

Many tenants are like nomad. Is not easy to issue them legal documents.

Are you a landlord? Have you sue your tenant before? What's the outcome?

give them 2 weeks to settle bill if not, get tnb to cut letrik

Not being to pay utility bills ON TIME is already an early sign.. A sign of something worse is coming.

time to ask TNB to cut

sue them very time consuming, just cut the electricity then they will pay immediately.

If whatsapp does not work, then call the tenant.

If call also does not work, then need to have face to face talk.

use deposit. deduct from there.

need to collect 3 payments before renting out.

1 for first month rental fee.
1 for deposit bills
1 for deposit if anything broken.

tumpang asking

apartment/condo
management or service fee, sinking fund all pay by landlord or tenant
let say around rm250

Landlord.

used to rent when i was a student
students paid the mgmt fee and sinking fund
not a lot because it divided by 8-10 students

Standard time is never.
Next time do a CTOS check on potential tenant. Below 500 marks, forget it.

This post has been edited by Singh_Kalan: Feb 17 2022, 11:18 AM

Service fee is 'enjoyment' of facilities ... tenant

Singking Fund is repair and upkeep (wear and tear) ... landlord

Landlord should include service fee in the rent.

Saw a news say tnb now can let u change owner name to tenant name but still can check how much bill hutang and take action before become huge bill..

You are wrong, TNB will still black list the unit until full payment when they can't find the tenant.

has anyone of you ask management to bar assess card when tenant did not pay up ?

I am thinking of asking management to do so. owe me 3 months already. This renting business really headache. Next time really need to screen tenant before agreeing to rent.

BTW, how do we do a CTOS check?

Depend on the bill amount, anyway ask them to pay bill online

And what was their reply?

I don't think management will get involved with landlord's rent collection problem. However if you stop paying the service fee mgmt may bar access card on their own. But if tenant go and pay the service fee you are back to square one.

So appreciate if you get good Tennant. Dun be so demanding.

As owner, one can request to suspend access card without having to give reason.

Only owner can authorised reactivation.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Feb 17 2022, 12:48 PM

she hasn't paid the water bill for 1 year with accumulated amount of about RM400.

I think that gives the management the excuse to bar assess card.

I am asking her to move out, but due to MCO, and well some compassion on my part, her payment is very late, she pays yes but just very slow.

Probably a good idea to ask management to bar her access card, until she settles the water bill.

Alright, it's just... as a human being, sometimes I wish i don't have to resort to this but... real world sometimes don't work that way..

The previous tenant is good, paid up on time, and if there was delay he will tell me as courtesy.

This current one, if you don't remind her, she diam diam will delay... giving all sorts of excuse.

but... at least she pays... for the last 4 years... but the experience was unpleasant, having need to chase the rent ...

I suggest to have a discussion face to face to sort out. If she is in financial difficulty, give up the tenant. Ask her to find a cheaper place.

As landlord, I am not prepare to chase for the next few years, albeit she is paying ... but not on time always.

tnb will auto cut after around 3 months no payment. even after payment it may take a day or two before power js restored.

I experienced before, came home to no power, took ice cold shower then slept without fan in the heat. not fun.

for real ?

yea, had a chat with her, she is moving out soon in May. It was a very unpleasant 3 years of renting the place to her.

Next time I really want to screen tenant, certain stereotypes are true, sadly.

Let me clarify with TNB as this make no sense.

Thanks

Lets just say that I'm in the business of suing and being sued.

In general, Landlords usually have a strong case against a tenant, PROVIDED that the terms of the tenancy agreement are clear, precise and free from ambiguity.

the Landlord only needs to prove that there is a breach of the terms under the tenancy agreement to be entitled to any remedy/compensation/damages under the Tenancy Agreement.

Landlord usually wins in such disputes, unless the landlord himself has not adhered to/complied with the provisions under the tenancy agreements.

Would you proceed to sue if the tenant owes 2 to 3 months after minus tbe security deposits ?

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Feb 17 2022, 01:45 PM

You need to consider a few factors:
1. Is the tenant still refusing to shift out?
2. the possibility of recovery of the outstanding tnb bills even if you win the case and obtain a Judgement in your favour.
3. If you win the case, are Execution proceedings feasible? (Seizure and Sale, Garnishee, Judgement Debtor Summons, Committal, Bankruptcy)
4. What is your lawyer charging you? Does it exceed the outstanding utility bills?

This was discussed before in this forum.

Remember those Bitcoin mining cases, in the end the owner were still liable for it.

only if your outstanding more than your deposit. I saw a few more than 3 months and yet still have electricity

you hv collected utilities deposit right?
That should enough to cover. TNB deposit usually RM300-RM500++

anyway, a good will, ask to to pay and said you receive notice to cut power.
Usually when deposit drained, a notice will serve. if is not drained, would takes 3-4 mths for tnb to react

these are just typical theories. unless the amount is 40-50k then only worth the time/money to sue them in court. no one will sue just because did not pay utilities for a few months. If it's bitcoin mining 70k, then that's another story already.

Why should the landlord be the one to prompt the tenants.

Isn't it tenant responsibility to do the necessary without being ask

Like i mentioned.

Would the cost of legal proceedings for the recovery exceed the value of the total unpaid bills?

If yes, then it is not worth it, all things considered.

You should add tenant as separate billing with tnb

The important criteria of all is whether the defaulted tenant has the ability to pay after judgement.

If bankruptcy is the ultimate end, then proceed at whatever cost.

Why did u wait till RM400 only take action? If second month didn't pay u should already took action. If future u csn try those insurance company like speedhome, instahome, blue duck, etc..

This post has been edited by annoymous1234: Feb 17 2022, 03:29 PM

There are some folks would rather be bankrupt than pay their debt.

Another issue is that, would the minimum debt threshold for bankruptcy be met?

Agreed.

That why to sue without getting the money is like paying good money to chase bad.

Unless one know tenants profile, one has to consider seriously whether is worth the journey.

No point wining in paper judgement.

Nola, the judge can let your tenant to choose to pay a lump sum or by installment one. If after that he no pay you, then you apply send him to prison for up to 6 weeks. You see he faster sells everything to pay you or not.

Just FYI, potong electric is illegal

The judge decides on what is pleaded in the Landlord's claim, which generally would be the full lump sum payment. It is not a choice on the part of the Tenant.

Debt incurred by the Landlord is immediately payable upon service of judgement on the Tenant.

Payment in installments would only be relevant if parties enter a consent judgement/execute a settlement agreement agreeing to a installment payment manner, where the quantum and date would be spelt out clearly.

Read back your previous situation first la, you said they were not willing to pay rather bankrupt.. When they don't want to pay, the judge has the discretion to allow for installment. So minimum debt threshold for bankruptcy be met or not is not relevant.

This post has been edited by Accord2018: Feb 17 2022, 04:04 PM

tough luck mate.

my ex-tenant, no pay several months still can use electricity and no late charges.
me in central kl? late a bit dah ada extra fee.

Normally, tenants wont appear for court cases unless he has a 50/50 of winning.

Even if can pay, he will wait for enforcement of judgement...similar to last minute withdrawal of auction cases.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Feb 17 2022, 04:08 PM

Judge will decide to allow or dismiss the Landlord's claim.

If the landlord pleads for a lump sum payment, the judge can only decide to either:

1.allow in full the Landlord's claim
2 allow in part, the Landlord's claim
3. dismiss the claim entirely.

Unless of course, for whatever reason, the Landlord pleads for an installment on his claim, then the judge may decide on that.

nola. under s4(6)(b) DA 1957 judge can let him choose for installment

Debtors Act?

That is only applicable if the Landlord decides to file JDS proceedings.

you said they don't want to pay what.

This is the reply from TNB careline.

In the case that mini orchard presented, the amount might be to big to be ignored by TNB as the owner didn't bother to check the money owed on monthly basis. TNB apps already existed more than 3 years ago, that's how I check as it's ease me.

For smaller amount case, I believed the changing name and reconnection should be no issue.

This post has been edited by sykz: Feb 17 2022, 04:43 PM


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Yeap. The Landlord can opt for JDS, WSS, Garnishee proceedings if they wish to recover the lump sum debt.

If the amount is small, most landlord would just pay off for reconnection.

Even if allowed under special cases, also need higher authority approval and take time unless landlord dont mind vacant period. Is similar to writing off 'bad debts'

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Feb 17 2022, 04:51 PM

smaller amount sure they let it. if bit coin mining 50k , are you sure tnb lets you to apply a new account?

Thank you for your deviation of subject and to put TS case in context to make it interesting, does the amount owed amounted as per your example or applicable to him as what I suggested?

Will not reply further. I already suggested solutions and provided info for clear clarification from TNB on the blacklisting and reconnection issue. Purpose of my reply is to help him. Not to nitpicking for the sake of it. I'm done here.

Nope, it is based on real-life happening that someone else has failed to get reconnected. It is important not to mislead others to think can easily change names and get reconnected especially if the amount is large ya.

This post has been edited by Accord2018: Feb 17 2022, 05:34 PM

u can terminate the TNB under your name and ask them to register their own. so if they dont pay it's under their name. when they quit, then their responsibility to cancel it also.

This i sokong

This post has been edited by tomato people: Feb 17 2022, 05:35 PM