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post Feb 14 2022, 11:14 AM, updated 4y ago

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any possible reason that the fuse will be malfunctioned?
when i mentioned malfunction, means the smart meter digital reading also no display..
so the quick solution was to replace the fuse, then it works again..

could be overloaded? why say so, coz what i noticed was, i was using below at same time:
- dryer
- vacuuming floor/dust
- ac 2.5hp
- ac 1.0hp x2unit
- other basic devices no need to mention: tv, fridge, fan, etcs..

and out of sudden tnb meter no display.. neighbors were fine


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post Feb 14 2022, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 14 2022, 12:14 PM)
any possible reason that the fuse will be malfunctioned?
when i mentioned malfunction, means the smart meter digital reading also no display..
so the quick solution was to replace the fuse, then it works again..

could be overloaded? why say so, coz what i noticed was, i was using below at same time:
- dryer
- vacuuming floor/dust
- ac 2.5hp
- ac 1.0hp x2unit
- other basic devices no need to mention: tv, fridge, fan, etcs..

and out of sudden tnb meter no display.. neighbors were fine
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yes ..overload . blow the fuse. or one of your device faulty .

temp ..you can connect a wire/ thick at the fuse connector , to get power
and go to the shops to buy a fuse if you want fast .
if not call TNB.


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post Feb 14 2022, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 14 2022, 11:14 AM)
any possible reason that the fuse will be malfunctioned?
when i mentioned malfunction, means the smart meter digital reading also no display..
so the quick solution was to replace the fuse, then it works again..

could be overloaded? why say so, coz what i noticed was, i was using below at same time:
- dryer
- vacuuming floor/dust
- ac 2.5hp
- ac 1.0hp x2unit
- other basic devices no need to mention: tv, fridge, fan, etcs..

and out of sudden tnb meter no display.. neighbors were fine
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never happen to me
i got 1x2hp AC, 3x 1HP AC = ON

kitchen rice cooker + oven = ON
water heater + ON

all on at the same time


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post Feb 14 2022, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Momo33 @ Feb 14 2022, 11:24 AM)
yes ..overload .  blow the fuse.  or one of your  device  faulty .

temp  ..you can  connect a wire/ thick  at the fuse connector ,  to get power
and go to the shops to buy a fuse if you want fast .
if not call  TNB.
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maybe replace with higher cap fuse will help?
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post Feb 14 2022, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 14 2022, 11:34 AM)
maybe replace with higher cap fuse will help?
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As you can see the switch in your DB is 63A which means the single phase current is limited to 63A for a house with single phase. The fuse supplied for my house was 35A (if not mistaken, I forgotten already). Some house the contractor gave 60A fuse. Mine cheating I guessed biggrin.gif

One day when I was back home from work my house has no power. Luckily there was still one electrical shop that was still opened at almost 7pm that day. So, I bought a replacement fuse rated at 63A (or can use 60A). The TNB website said an online application is good for 60kW application or 100A.

Don't simply use any wire and assume same wire thickness will carry max power the same as the blown fuse as permanent replacement. The wire rating is not by size or diameter only but also the material.
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post Feb 14 2022, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 14 2022, 12:34 PM)
maybe replace with higher cap fuse will help?
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your single phase , MAX is 63 A fuse.

my quick A usage check on your usage , you are not using more than 63A ,
so man not sure why it blew the fuse or its just too old fuse that it blew out.

to be safe if you use the dryer , off 1 or 2 other . like vaccum cleaner .


what is the rating of your ELCB/RCCD ?

do you have a main fuse on your DB ..what the rating ?




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post Feb 14 2022, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 14 2022, 11:34 AM)
maybe replace with higher cap fuse will help?
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no you cannot simply replace as you like as others mentioned.
fuse is a safety device and the max rating must be strictly observed.

the proper solution should be tracing the devices/wiring that is causing the burn out instead.

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post Feb 14 2022, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 14 2022, 11:46 AM)
As you can see the switch in your DB is 63A which means the single phase current is limited to 63A for a house with single phase. The fuse supplied for my house was 35A (if not mistaken, I forgotten already). Some house the contractor gave 60A fuse. Mine cheating I guessed  biggrin.gif

One day when I was back home from work my house has no power. Luckily there was still one electrical shop that was still opened at almost 7pm that day. So, I bought a replacement fuse rated at 63A (or can use 60A). The TNB website said an online application is good for 60kW application or 100A.

Don't simply use any wire and assume same wire thickness will carry max power the same as the blown fuse as permanent replacement. The wire rating is not by size or diameter only but also the material.
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the photo on 1st post was just a sample from googleimage.. lol..
i think my smart meter is 100A, it clearly written there as attached.
so should be safe to change to 100A fuse?
if yes, well.. tnb should also change the fuse when they change new smart meter..


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post Feb 14 2022, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 14 2022, 12:09 PM)
the photo on 1st post was just a sample from googleimage.. lol..
i think my smart meter is 100A, it clearly written there as attached.
so should be safe to change to 100A fuse?
if yes, well..  tnb should also change the fuse when they change new smart meter..
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The meter is 100A because that probably the limit TNB set for a single phase line. Most important is to look at your circuit breaker and the main switch in distributor box (DB). I bt the switch and the main circuit breaker is 63A rated. So, stick to the rating. smile.gif
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post Feb 14 2022, 12:30 PM

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Some old house use 32A fuse, based on your description you exceeded 32A. Need to upgrade to 60A but check with TNB first.
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post Feb 14 2022, 12:33 PM

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If not mistaken, the TNB portion is until the meter only. The fuse than internal cabling inside the house are the responsibility of the contractor. The fuse is supplied by the contractor, not the TNB.

The house was doing fine with old fuse. Same like mine. It was just happened that the fuse gave up one day. Probably deteriorate over time and just failed, I don't know. Not everything perfect wink.gif So, it is not due to overload sometimes.
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post Feb 14 2022, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 14 2022, 12:33 PM)
If not mistaken, the TNB portion is until the meter only. The fuse than internal cabling inside the house are the responsibility of the contractor. The fuse is supplied by the contractor, not the TNB.

The house was doing fine with old fuse. Same like mine. It was just happened that the fuse gave up one day. Probably deteriorate over time and just failed, I don't know. Not everything perfect  wink.gif  So, it is not due to overload sometimes.
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The supply goes to the fuse first, then meter or vice versa ?
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post Feb 14 2022, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Feb 14 2022, 12:55 PM)
The supply goes to the fuse first, then meter or vice versa ?
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Fuse > Meter > Main Switch > Main Circuit Breaker (ELCB, RCCB or GFCI) > MCB (Mini Circuit Breaker) > Lightings and appliances

Additional reading
http://www.axanaga.com/v2/download/Suruhan...alBuildings.pdf

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post Feb 14 2022, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 14 2022, 12:59 PM)
Fuse > Meter > Main Switch > Main Circuit Breaker (ELCB, RCCB or GFCI) > MCB (Mini Circuit Breaker) > Lightings and appliances

Additional reading
http://www.axanaga.com/v2/download/Suruhan...alBuildings.pdf
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Isnt then the fuse is tnb reponsibility ?
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post Feb 14 2022, 01:06 PM

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After changing the fuse, try to clamp & record ur voltage reading. Better monitor ur usage

But if u not sure, asked electrician to do it
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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 14 2022, 12:21 PM)
The meter is 100A because that probably the limit TNB set for a single phase line. Most important is to look at your circuit breaker and the main switch in distributor box (DB). I bt the switch and the main circuit breaker is 63A rated. So, stick to the rating.  smile.gif
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no reading at the mcb hmm.gif
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post Feb 14 2022, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 14 2022, 01:57 PM)
no reading at the mcb  hmm.gif
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Your incoming MCB is located at the Distribution Box(DB).Open up the DB box, see what is the main incoming MCB rating.

The more accurate way, get the meter clamp, clamp the single phase cable, see what is the running ampere & compare it against the rating of fuse when you are operating all the devices together. If the ampere reading at the clamp meter is close to the fuse rating, it is obvious overloaded.

If overloaded, the only solution will be upgrading your incoming to the 3 phase. By upgrading, the TNB will upgrade the incoming cable size, the metering panel from single phase to 3 phases, the fuse will be upgraded. On the owner side, your DB need to be upgraded to 3 phase also.
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post Feb 14 2022, 02:15 PM

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so it is 35a, or 63a?


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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 14 2022, 02:15 PM)
so it is 35a, or 63a?
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looks like 32A.
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post Feb 14 2022, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(spreeeee @ Feb 14 2022, 02:15 PM)
so it is 35a, or 63a?
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32A SPN. This device was not tripping, get the electrician to check the functionality also.

With 32A SPN, max you can use concurrently should be limited to around 6kW only. It was overloaded.



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