wads ur land size? was looking to plant belian (very slow growth tree)

30 ekar with rubber and durian

I plant new species for fun, want to see my babies grow up from seeds to adults

Hello Lim, sori my late reply. Buzy at work. My case officer inform me how to get free time with local Asia Claim agent. Got the registration and notorization no cost. Just listen to their product demonstration. Ok la. Smile smile say thanks and get free. Good for me as long as I dint have to pay to get back my hard-earned money.

Are you an investor?

Better you pay my friend dad to plant you a hard wood seedling in his land.
Come back in 30years.

damn, on average, each spent 180k.

expensive lesson.

Orang call untuk bagi free food di Hotel, kalau ada masa pergi jelah makan.

apasal tiba tiba nak labur beribu ribu pulak ? tamak di perut jangan tamak di kepala, aduh

1 contract in Johor, 1 contract in Thailand.

This money you can afford to lose

Saya buat pendaftaran percuma di Singapore. Saya sangka mereka tahu apa yang mereka
buat dan saya percaya. Lepas itu, saya tahu macam mana APC tipu hasil kerja keras saya dan
macam mana mereka dapatkan informasi peribadi saya. Amaran kepada semua. Kepada
semua yang sangka invest ke Jardine smith tu bagus, fikir kembali. Sekarang saya
mempunyai bukti yang mereka adalah SCAMMER.
Saya sarankan Asia Claim. Tidak perlu buat bayaran seperti dijanjikan. Mereka jelaskan
kepada saya dalam Bahasa layman cara untuk periksa scams. Saya berasa lebih yakin dan
pasti tidak akan ditipu lagi. Sekarang, saya nak duit saya kembali.

I represent a group of investors from Singapore. We have done our due diligence. It is a world wide scam with officers in every country. This Agarwood scam needs to be investigated by Interpol.

Many lawyers have failed because of Arbitration clause and jurisdiction must be in Singapore. Very expensive to fight this case here. Now, we have heard many good things about success things with the law firm Hakem Arabi & Associates.

You may contact Rani Muthu for further details on how to proceed: rani.muthu.nadesan@gmail.com

Hi, you may email to me at rani.muthu.nadesan@gmail.com
We are representing a good number of investors and we have filed the matter in court. It is a worldwide scam and the only way to try to get your money is to go to court. The relevant parties are now trying to trace the assets of APC.

Real plantation business comes with unattractive return.

Promising u sky high? No comment.

Good afternoon Rani,

I've been reading these threads on APC for a while now after my sister became a victim. So I just thought I'd respectfully question your statement.. why do you say, "the only way to get your money is in court"?

I was a paralegal in a local firm for many years and I simply cannot agree with you. Well yes, if the firm in question was legitimate from the start and had built up assets along the way. But as everyone involved has now learned to their disappointment, APC was fraudulent from the beginning. Set up with stolen money from a landbank fraud in the UK. Ask any respecting lawyer that is experienced in litigation or torte law the following question... "do fraudulent companies acquire assets and / or leave capital in the company for the victims to sue to get it back at the end."? The answer is ALWAYS NO.

Put simply... If fraudsters are smart enough to set up a global operation so elaborate to fool so many people, you think they are unintelligent enough to leave the stolen money as assets in the business? Again the answer is NO.

So I advise a little caution building up everyone's hopes with civil legal action in court. What will almost certainly happen...
1. An award in the favor of complainants maybe. lets assume so. What's next then...
2. The company's official paperwork ie statements of accounts, balance sheets, P&L's will all show a loss.
3. The court will then turn to the directors to repay a sum equivalent to the start up capital.
4. The directors will declare bankruptcy.
5. As the company's debts are limited to its corporate asset, the only person that makes any money in these cases are the lawyers.

If Hakem Arabi & Assoc or HAA as they are known in the business are so confident then ask them to switch to Contingent Law and offer no billing if they do not get the cash and ... ONLY TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE CASH RECEIVED. That's more fair ..take a portion less than the sum the victims lost and directly tied to the amount the victim receives. When they refuse then ask yourself why?

As far as the law firm's concerned, you paid them to get a ruling. Once they do, it's down to a liquidator, SOMEONE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE PAID to sell the non-existing assets to get money back. ALSO NOTE THAT LIQUIDATORS HAVE FIRST RIGHT TO CHARGE THEIR FEES FROM THE RECOVERED MONIES IF THERE EVER IS ANY. THEY HAVE, 'THE RIGHT OF FIRST CHARGE'. In other words, their bill comes before you getting any thing at all. If there's not enough left to pay the victims well that's just tough.

END RESULT: The lawyer gets paid by victims, the liquidator gets paid by victims when there's little to no assets recovered. And the victims.. what do they get... the chance to spend forever on a creditors list. And in many times, the legal bill to get that far exceeds any amount ever recovered. In fact if you ask the lawyers.., you can guarantee the law firm hasn't investigated at all what the company's worth is. Just happy to bill you to pursue to judgement.

And as I told my sister... paying up front and getting no money back is EXACTLY what you did with APC. Hiring a lawyer to attack a fraudulent company in civil court is doing exactly the same with more hard earned money.

Something for the smart that like a balanced viewpoint should consider.

Dear Milla,

As you rightly pointed out, APC was a scam from the start. Investors had believed a scam and invested thousands of dollars/ringgit, and you now expect the lawyers to do their work on contingency basis. It is a worldwide scam and it was only after we brought our legal work to the media, we now have other litigants worldwide approaching us to set up a committee to trace the assets, worldwide. Thus, it is not a simple litigation process.

Good afternoon Madam Rani,

I thought I'd reply to the brief message you left for me. And thank you for doing so. Please excuse my late reply, I have been out stationed.

Lets address your point...

There are numerous litigations companies, legal organizations and law firms that operate Contingent Law in cases that cross jurisdictions. Multiple jurisdictions in fact. And that is because whether a case is in one country or more than one country has completely no bearing on if a law firm is prepared to offer a contingent fee (no win no fee) basis of payment. My old law firm teamed up on many occasions with a specialist in cross boarder contingent law, Legal Alliance Asia. Here in this thread, people are using an even larger firm called Asia Claim in exactly this APC case on a no win no fee basis. Which clearly demonstrates your point is invalid. It can happen, does happen and will continue to.

In any case, APC was not global. That was a farce. APC had operations only in Malaysia and Singapore.

The bottom line for a law firm is the same as any business. How much money is in it for the firm? If the firm is confident there is money to be claimed and they can agree a percentage of that money that far exceeds the fee they would charge up front, they will not wait to be asked, they will offer a contingent fee. Its more money. Its business common sense.

If a law firm is not confident there is money to be had, they will not. There could be various reasons for this...

1) they are not confident of getting a favorable ruling.
2) as in this case, the presumption that a company is smart enough to defraud such a large sum, but foolish enough to invest in assets or leave as liquid cash in a company bank is non sensible.
You are more than within your rights to hope that. But I promise you Rani, lawyers are much more pragmatic with there business calculations.
3) fee generation law. A slang term used by lawyers whom are not confident they can achieve the outcome their clients are hoping for but will take the case because they are being paid to. Win or loose.

Mentioning no law firms here but if there are two hundred people in a group (for example) paying 1000 Ringgit per year to the lawyer (for example). Then the law firm achieves billing capability of 200 x 1000 = 200,000 RM per year for a couple of appearances by one lawyer, some small disbursements fees and the secretaries time to email the group here and there.

There is one case against APC in Singapore for five years. Still no money has been paid to the complainants. If my example I give above which is an APC litigation group known to me, the lawyer will collect ONE MILLION RINGGIT FOR NOT GETTING THEIR CLEINTS A SINGLE RINGGIT.

WHAT GREAT WORK FOR THE FIRM..NOT SO GREAT FOR THE VICTIMS.

And why will it almost certainly work out that way if you go via the standard court procedure? Because as mentioned, the lawyers job is ONLY to get the ruling. He is not a debt recovery agent.
The liquidators have limited powers of inspection. Once the monies have been misappropriated from the business like a directors loan for example, or a false joint venture agreement (which is a common way to drain money). The liquidator has the power to search and cease from the suspicious parties only. Once the monies hit the third party accounts that are not proven people of interest in a fraudulent case, their powers of inspection cease. I know that. You think your lawyers don't? You think the APC masterminds don't? Of course they do.

People that have been fraudulently stolen from should consider a specialist in the field of dealing with white collar criminals. Not general law firms that may have done a divorce or a property conveyance just before. Then pay them only to conduct a shallow investigation to determine if they would offer NO WIN NO FEE BILLING. Let their decision to offer the contingent billing scheme be the real indication of their confidence.

As mentioned, we used Legal Alliance Asia. Others here use Asia Claim. There are others.

Finally, this is not meant to rain on anyone's parade. But just to keep matters and expectations real. And also of course to use my many years of experience to help hard working people that may have lost their life savings to these kinds of companies.

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This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Mar 9 2023, 03:24 PM