Hi y'all,

Are there any methods to remind elderly drivers to turn off the Eco-Idle function everytime after they have started the car ?

I know that there are modifications available in the market, which will turn off the Eco-Idle function automatically everytime after starting the vehicle, however I am not keen on such modifications or rather the elderly drivers are not keen on such modifications as they prefer to keep everything stock.

If you have any easy method which can remind the elderly to turn off the Eco-Idle function, I would love to hear from you.

All I can think of now is sticking a Post-It-Note on their dash but that just ruins the design and it is not really professional also.



This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 8 2022, 09:24 PM

Just curious why need to turn off?

because when you stopped for a longer time such as traffic light or at junction, the engine will "switch off". When you press the accelerator, it will start the engine.
To me this is dangerous as this causes delay which might cause accidents.

I'm wondering - isnt it pretty much instantaneous? Have there been cases of more accidents due to one using an eco-idle engine turned on out of curiousity?

Retirees are trying to save on expenses by using as little resources as possible.

Turning off the Eco-Idle function will allow their battery to last much longer than if the function was turned on.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 8 2022, 09:31 PM

no sure about other cars but my MYVI has it....there is definately delay about 1-2 seconds before your car start to move vs eco-idle turned off.
When crossing, we want to move as soon as we step on the gas...not 1-2 seconds delay.

teach them free gear. he wont activates

hand turn d steering lo

actually in long run, might cost more because engine restart more often. Imagine at every traffic or junction stops, the engine need to restart everytime if the eco-idle kicks in.
thats what i think...

not instant bro. we local car r slowests

save fuel is truth. spend cost on other parts also truth (sc untungs)

I've been using Eco-Idle since I bought my car. The delay is negligible for automatic transmission. If you say the delay can cause accident, that means your judgement of safety to cross the junction is off. Those who have the mindset of "sempat lagi ni", will have this risk. If you are a defensive driver and always make sure the road is clear to cross, you won't have this issue to worry about.


Eco-Idle help to save fuel. TS want to turn it off.

ah i see. sorry mine old car dun have such tech so didnt know its that bad for local cars..does sound in long run might do more harm than good to the car engine keep restarting like that..

bateri life not much. fuel saved not much
unless we dikit-dikit lama jadi bukit

local car or foreign? Seems like local one the delay is 1-2 seconds and its bad...i wonder how much fuel can that save (what you see) vs how much damage on the car engine/battery (what you dont see that easily)?

Very true.

The 1st thing that will go is probably the Starter Motor, unless of course the Starter Motor for vehicle with Eco-Idle function has been designed for a much higher number of starts compared to previous generation of Myvi.

we have specialize batt, ecu to determine. sofar ok
long run dunno yets.

he is ts. so haha

Nah I have done some calculations and it is a substantial difference actually by a difference of 21.05%.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 8 2022, 09:42 PM

this topic got me interested.

https://www.wapcar.my/news/faq-is-auto-star...r-your-car-3672

Q: Is it bad for the battery?
A: Yes. That’s why cars with auto start-stop have special batteries.


Q: Will it wear out the starter?
A: Yes. That’s why cars with auto start-stop have starter motors with improved design.


Q: Is it bad for the engine?
A: Yes. That’s why auto start-stop engines need better bearings and better lubricant distribution to withstand the added stress.


5. How much fuel can you save with the auto start-stop feature?
If we take instantaneous fuel consumption, then you get 100% savings when stationary since the engine is off.


6. Should you just turn the auto start-stop feature off?
For a smoother and less annoying ride, YES. Auto start-stop features can be jerky and unpleasant in entry level cars (mine's myvi...so its considered entry level )

ive been using & i know how to control it the way i wants.
perodua is so easy man.
gear d + brake deep+ good batt = eco

gear n wont. brake soft until stop wont. low batt wont

You drive a MYVI as well?
Without knowing how i drive, you can summarize my judgement

Local car. Perodua Bezza. The delay is not much different like when you're pressing the gas to accelerate faster on automatic transmission on normal car. Not instantaneous but not too long either.

As for the fuel save part, it does save a bit of fuel in exchange for a higher battery performance needed. That means battery price is more expensive. But not by much. Around RM100 more than normal batteries.

I would say if you drive daily and always stuck in the jam, the fuel saving is more than the extra price on the battery for every 1-1.5 year.

want restart just twist steering other than u lepas brake as many ppl did.
there r much worst implementation out there

I second this. I had something similar on my Mazda 6 (I-Stop), it is very annoyingly dangerous when the engine stopped when you're at junction or about to enter the roundabout.

Although it takes a second, it could be a second too late for the window of opportunity provided.

I've disabled it via the obd.

Now I don't have to press the disable button everytime I start the car.

Pros: my car battery & starter last longer.
Cons: my car consumes more fuel?

This post has been edited by amscouzach57: Feb 8 2022, 09:48 PM

I dont own the 3rd Gen Myvi.

It is for my clients actually, who are elderly and if there is something which looks presentable that can be placed in their car as a reminder, that would be great.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 8 2022, 09:47 PM

emergency time. fuel level 0 zero distance range 0 zero
eco will save ur days

I have never thought about it but I will look into this on behalf of my client. Thank you so much, really appreciate it.

m6 eco activate or not during steering position not straight.
example u twist left drive then brake. he istop ?

thanks for your opinion bro...thats what i meant. Sometimes its dangerous especially when the eco-idle kicks in when you least expected it.

My summary is based on my own experience. I used to be like that.

Mind you, before I bought the Bezza, my daily driver is a manual Kancil L2S with turbo.

The difference in response is night and day. I have to readapt my driving style to the new car.

I am one of the worst offender of the mentality of "sempat lagi ni" during my kancil driving day.

So now, different car, different response time, different way of driving.

Don't ask your car to adapt to your driving style, you need to adapt to your car capabilities.

I didn't realised that, it has been more than a year since I've disabled it.

thanks for sharing bro.
I drive kancil mostly and sometimes the myvi.
I am not "sempat lagi" driver.....coz my kancil only 600cc.....

The MYVI always give me surprises when the eco-idle kicks in.
My routine when entering MYVI is....1) LOCK DOOR 2) DISABLE ECO-IDLE.....haha

This post has been edited by wchinwai: Feb 8 2022, 10:00 PM

Save fuel, ok how much ? Data ?

I don't know where you got that data from but if I have the time and money I would like to put that to real life test and see if that is true or crap.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 8 2022, 10:56 PM

u may calculate eco save not much fuel....
for sure u wont waste more fuel than non eco !

for green person. it helps our earth. not becos of save money

My friend fully press the start-stop on/off button then insert a cardboard in the button gap.

Make the button forever stuck at pressed position.

It is a Mazda not sure if same applies to all car. I guess worth to try since it is the cheapest.

I don't have numerical data on the saving, but can give you some perspective on how frequent the engine runs during start-stop.

On ICE car with start-stop, not much saving on our traffic and weather conditions. Engine will start itself after mere couple of minutes due to hot weather, sometime even engine off and starts again in 10s. Only in a chill cool night, engine can stays stop for over 4-5min.

Hybrid is also doing poorly on Friday evening off work rushing home, especially in big city where sometime 20min not moving an inch, traffic light less than 100m away take 40min to 1 hour to cross.
Over 50% of the time during the idle/slow crawling engine is running also, well better than ICE with start-stop yet still poor experience. Nevertheless with engine 50% off during idling would yield some saving and start smoother than ICE start-stop due to larger motor.

So what's the point of these system? At smooth urban traffic that one can drive 40-60km/h constantly, and don't wait over 2-3min on traffic light. Then they are fantastic. I still remember one time at US, we were going to a place where Google map shown all red. But during the trip, I was like this is minor jam, then my Bangkok colleague was like this is NO JAM. I think that tells how the start-stop and hybrid shines on certain part of the world.

Lastly move up to PHEV if you hold some charge for traffic jam use, then can see the start-stop usefulness. Usually 20-40min of idling consume 1km of range, depending on the weather/exterior temperature. So hold 5km range for spare normally can last few hours of jam. Planning the trip has becoming a habit for me.

I once saw a Myvi performing reverse parking at the mall. When the driver stop to shift into reverse gear, the idle stop kicked in and the engine died, then promptly restart as the driver starts to reverse into the parking bay.

One of the most idiotic thing I've seen a car do.

This post has been edited by dares: Feb 8 2022, 11:46 PM

Thank you for that idea. Hopefully that will do the trick.

I thought of bringing up the OBD idea with the Service Center guys but I reckon I can already hear their answers to that.

At least your idea will provide another option to the retirees.

So far the available options are

1. Install by pass cable
2. Change the system via OBD
3. Cardboard trick to depress the button
4. Post-It-Note & press the button after the Ignition switch is on.
5. Or the retirees could just leave it and live with the inconvenience and hopefully the fuel savings outweighs the battery costs. LOL

According to the retired couple their car is almost 4 years old now and their mileage is said to be 10,000km. Although the battery is still able to start the car but the Battery & Starter Test had shown a Replace Battery status. It will fail completely in less than a month's time. This will be their 1st battery change before they travel to KL soon.

Is your parents car a Myvi?

4 year battery never change. still nor satisfy meh
low odo sure all short distance trip. i see a quite efficient design to charge power up

Fortunately not.

They are my latest clients who called me when their Camry's battery failed. There were problems with their original Camry's alternator and we made plans to have their original alternator repaired at a designated shop. Unfortunately the husband drove to another shop to replaced it with a reconditioned alternator instead. Now that the new battery is in, I am not pleased with the charging output of the recond alternator. So I am asking them to try to get back their original Camry's alternator, so that it can be repaired at the designated shop to ensure its output meet my Principal Co. battery's charging parameters.

I forgot to take a picture of the recond alternator, it just doesn't look anywhere near the original unit and the recond unit warranty is only 3 months. Real rubbish. I can already foresee the problems that I am going to have with these new clients over a dead battery due to an inefficient reconditioned alternator.

If they were my parents, they will not be allowed to buy a vehicle with Eco-Idle function. It is not only retirees who are trying to save money but I have other clients whom are still working/have business and they insists on using normal NS40ZL instead EFB M42 battery for their vehicles just to save money/trying to make ends meet.

Logically if everyone had high disposable incomes, surely they would want to buy the best so that their product would be under warranty. Since politicians are preaching false hopes about high income nation, the rakyat are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet, so many are forced to make do with what is available even though giving up their battery warranty.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 9 2022, 08:58 AM

Clients are always right mah. Satisfied ? Human beings will always want more for less one. Good no cheap and cheap no good. Takkan a Battery Co. will be able to produce a higher capacity battery at a lower production cost ceteris paribus ? Like now its 4 years, sure la they want to get out more from the new battery.

Retirees mah sure la odo low. If retirees with high odo readings only means they have not retired to their homes just yet.

Sorry, I dont quite understand the bolded text above.

Yes, that is extremely annoying especailly during traffic jam.

becos drive a bit stop. d rpm is not high to begin with
regular alternator may not produce enough output. unless we modify pulley size

now u replaced a batt already izit

die in d gear transition to r gear rite. he is eco'ed

Ah ok now I understand what you meant. Yes you are right. Melaka is infamous with high number of traffic lights and with so many Stops-Starts you can imagine the load.

Not yet but very soon as I am awaiting for the new delivery to arrive from HQ.

My 1st battery change for my peugeot was less than 2 years after bought new. Since then I switched off the auto engine start/stop everytime I started the car.

AGM batteries are fricking expensive

AGM batteries altho expensive, they should last you very long. The longest I have seen before was 8 years (i'm working at a battery shop). To me, 1k for 8 years is quite good, comparing to the 300-400 bid batteries (DIN sizes) that you have to replace every 2-3 years.

Just that you paid it upfront loh

This post has been edited by thenazek: Feb 9 2022, 12:20 PM

Because Perodua's start stop idle is not as smart as , lets say, Serena Hybrid.
Smarter Start Stop Idle will detect steering angle . Unfortunately Perodua's one doesnt have that steering sensor.
So yes, I've seen Myvi engine stop while reversing. Kinda dumb I agree.

Because this is the cheapest design. However the starter most likely is a more heavy duty type.
A more high tech design (but much more practical) is like Serena Mild Hybrid - Uses Alternator + Starter on its belt.
Meaning it will start the engine via the specially designed Alternator. Charge the special battery via the Alternator. Even power the engine (slightly) by the Alternator.

https://www.carlist.my/news/how-is-the-niss...ls-60071/60071/

I'm sure you have heard about Serena's special purpose hybrid battery. The car has 2 batteries, one regular battery and another for the hybrid.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Feb 9 2022, 12:56 PM

This one I can immediately correct you because any cars with stability control safety systems will have steering angular sensors

direct buy from u offer discount or not hehe

I saw a picture where someone wedged a piece of folded paper between the switch and the surrounding, so that the switch is always pressed in. Don't know if it really works.

Are you saying that your AGM batteries lasts 2 years only ? Something is seriously wrong IMHO.

Bro., it is good to hear from you again. I had no idea about steering angle on smarter designs and it is good to learn something new everyday. 😊

Yeah I've heard of Serena system but I havent had the chance to work on and with such a vehicle yet. 😦

Can lah. Next time u need replacement u PM me. I quote our price.

yep. two type.
steering angle center = eco (both did)
steering out of center = eco (lousy), not eco (intelligent).
force steering turn = restart (both did)

SAVED !!

bypass je

i hear my friend driving mazda, just stick a piece of paper at the switch

The idea of eco-idle is not much on fuel saving but to reduce air pollution in city area.

Then just use normal battery since you are not using auto start/stop feature.

the fact is fuel in Malaysia is dirt cheap so the autostart stop function that saves fuel is unmeasureable compared to the wear & tear parts and labour for it.

other countries like US /china using RON92-95 and the price per litre is much more expensive than us.

and also it will need around 1 or 2 seconds for the engine to start before moving. then theres this issue; for elderly, when the light turns green, release the brake step gas while the engine is starting, causing high rpm and jerks to the front after the engine started.

consider buying the module or a tuning shop where they can disable the eco idle function

The auto start/stop function is the most useless feature in modern cars.
They should just offer this as a priced adder option for the tree-huggers.
The rest of us would be damn happy to do w/out it.

It is advertised as a fuel saving feature.

I was reading and told otherwise

Here's the thing, takkan the manufacturers didn't know the uselessness of that thing when it was under product testing ? They did test the damn thing didn't they or they sounded like that's what the product salesman said or their brochure said and we believed in it wholeheartedly shit. Did they actually think that this useless product is simply going to over the rakyat heads ? Surely there must be some kind of incentive to push this useless product into the mass market. Otherwise who the hell in the right frame of mind is going to damage their goodwill ?

To me, it only saves fuel... No money.

The engine turning on and off for so many times will wear out the engine mounting a lot faster.

So money saved on fuel goes to replacing engine .mounting.

A lot of useless features are invented to meet fuel efficiency goals and emissions regulations.

Save fuel in controlled test environments at the expense of reliability due to increased complexity. To add salt to injury, the savings is negligible IRL.

disconnect out. let me try a few trip ya

cluster blinking eco off. the same one when u press button
dtc not trigger error
that it. that all. ada upah for me ?

Is there a way to program the ECU to permanently disable the auto start/stop feature ?

Get rid of this annoying crap once and for all.

y need program at all.

So that we dont hv to deactivate it each time during engine start.

TS, what car you driving? If Myvi, can disable it directly from the meter.

i baru deactivate so easy. cabut wire only.
refer pic above. settled zero cost required

This post has been edited by ktek: Feb 13 2022, 11:00 PM

u mean eco indicator or eco idle. pls teachs me expert

Both can be disabled. From meter cluster, on odo screen, long press the button, inside you can choose to on or off eco and idle.

ada example link tak.
btw he is camry not mvyi

Excellent mate. TQVM will try this on the client's Myvi after the battery replacement.

I believe what matrix88 meant is this video below. It only turns off the ECO light.

eco light only. not d idle off

ur camry which gen. have enjin bay pic ?
we see which component to detect batt status

Both eco lite and idle off can be setup,

Iinm for mazda car if select coldest ac setting, it wont trigger start stop function

we ask u to teach ady.

Not my Camry la bro., my clients. I had done a couple of battery replacements for different Camry models and they are ok. Normal battery tester to detect battery status. Nothing fancy.

Ok here is the update on the Myvi 3rd Gen battery replacement. I didn't try to switch off the Eco-Idle function during the battery replacement as I was sweating bullets after the install and I didn't want make the seat drenched in my sweat either. Damn hot. I will definately do that when they return from KL.

Anyways everything went smoothly and the following day (yesterday) it was ok. On their drive back home after shopping at 3pm, the owner called. I was invited into their Myvi and the Mrs. pointed out something was amiss on her screen as there was a black bar across it and there was a buzzing sound when the aircon was switch on.

Alamak I thought to myself takkan I screwed up the battery replacement procedure ? Cannot be lah. Panic sial. This is not my 1st 3rd Gen Myvi I have done also. Done a couple, all ok je. So I agreed that they return home first and I will come shortly to try to work out why this was happening.

Showered, packed my gear and headed to their place. I informed the owmer to start the vehicle as I wanted to record everything as evidence for HQ and Perodua Service Center. Funny thing, the black bar across the screen disappeared and so was the buzzing sound whatsoever. Then the owner suggested we drive out following the same route they went earlier to see if that would trigger the same result again. Nothing happened and that puzzled the hell out of me and the owner too. So I told the owner I would go to Perodua SC to next day (today) to enquire about this.

So was at Perodua SC discussing about this today but without the car, my friend there couldnt really help. And when I informed him the problem disappeared after I reached their home and test drive their Myvi, that even puzzled him more. Got problem but like got no problem ???

Today the owner was extremely glad to inform me that even at 6.30pm her Myvi was ok. No weird bar and buzzing sound when the aircon is switched on.

Now I dont think I want to rush out immediately if there is any battery kong calls anymore. When I am on site and the test shows that something isn't right with the system and the owner decides and insists a battery replacement should still be done, then the risk will be borne by the owner. If there isn't any risk, I will gladly do the battery replacement for them, if however there is any risk detected, it will be on them. That is the problem with improper usage of modern cars. Crazy sial. If so sensitive that until a battery replacement can trigger such fault to incur minimum repair bills from Rm150 onwards, owners of modern vehicles better know what exactly they be doing, otherwise bayar je lah.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Feb 18 2022, 11:23 PM

p2 eco mode got beep-beep-beep alarm. yes it mean eco was cancelled due to driver action.

usually i release seatbelt during eco sure kena

Starter will spoiled.

I am willing to pay people to take off the idle start/stop system from my car... I did not ask for it!

Just leave it there. If you get someone to remove the entire Eco Idle system from your vehicle you will void the vehicle's warranty.

just disconnect black circle device at battery there

Disconnect black circle device you meant No 1 ?

refer https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=103589345