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post Jun 1 2022, 10:10 AM

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Hello all,
I'm happy we have a Boglehead chapter Malaysian chapter! I was feel lost and isolated in a sea of stock pickers and crypto fans lol. I literally read every post and learned so much, especially about bond allocation which I'm very confused with. You guys are awesome and I'm glad there are people in Malaysia who believe in the investing style I do.

I'm a late starter, unfortunately.

I wish wish wish I knew about the Boglehead investing philosophy in my 20s, but now I'm 45 and slowly realigning my portfolio to this allocation:

70% equitties - VTI, VXUS, VOO --> But will just put in VT from now on for simplicity's sakes. In the future will transition to Irish domiciled ETFs. probably next year.
10% REITS & some local blue chip stocks - SUNREIT, AXREIT, Maybank
20% Fixed income - mostly money market and FD. I have some in ABFMY1 ETF also

I have ways to go to adjust my portfolio. In my 30s I bought the smooth talk of a Public Mutual unit trust salesman and just let her pick whatever stock. As a result I'm now overweighted in Malaysian equities sad.gif. But it's way too scary to sell now cos that unit trust is down soooo much. So I'm not going to touch it.

Instead, I'm hyper accelerating my investments, just pouring most of it into VT, which I buy using Rakuten Trade cos it's only RM8 per trade. I'm ALSO slowly move my investments out of SA into VT (at a loss, ouch).

Yes, about my US ETFs. I totally understand about the witholding tax issues, but after watching a video by Zeit where he compared buying US ETF vs Irish domiciled ones, I think my portfolio too kecik to worry about that now, and I don't think I can afford the big bullets of investing in LSE for now. I'm also working up the courage to open an IBKR account --> I just don't feel secure using an online broker not approved by SEC yet.

I got a question for all of you - are you all 100% foreign equities (US & world), or do you have a mix of M'sian and foreign equities in your portfolio? If I have a choice I want to keep my Malaysian equities to just 10% of my portfolio cos I have no confidence with the Malaysian economy.


CoastFireSoon P
post Jun 1 2022, 10:12 AM

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Hello all,
I'm happy we have a Boglehead chapter Malaysian chapter! I was feeingl lost and isolated in a sea of stock pickers and crypto fans lol. I literally read every post and learned so much, especially about bond allocation which I'm very confused with. You guys are awesome and I'm glad there are people in Malaysia who believe in the investing style I do.

I'm a late starter, unfortunately.

I wish wish wish I knew about the Boglehead investing philosophy in my 20s, but now I'm 45 and slowly realigning my portfolio to this allocation:

70% equitties - VTI, VXUS, VOO --> But will just put in VT from now on for simplicity's sakes. In the future will transition to Irish domiciled ETFs. probably next year.
10% REITS & some local blue chip stocks - SUNREIT, AXREIT, Maybank
20% Fixed income - mostly money market and FD. I have some in ABFMY1 ETF also

I have ways to go to adjust my portfolio. In my 30s I bought the smooth talk of a Public Mutual unit trust salesman and just let her pick whatever stock. As a result I'm now overweighted in Malaysian equities sad.gif. But it's way too scary to sell now cos that unit trust is down soooo much. So I'm not going to touch it.

Instead, I'm hyper accelerating my investments, just pouring most of it into VT, which I buy using Rakuten Trade cos it's only RM8 per trade. I'm ALSO slowly move my investments out of SA into VT (at a loss, ouch).

Yes, about my US ETFs. I totally understand about the witholding tax issues, but after watching a video by Zeit where he compared buying US ETF vs Irish domiciled ones, I think my portfolio too kecik to worry about that now, and I don't think I can afford the big bullets of investing in LSE for now. I'm also working up the courage to open an IBKR account --> I just don't feel secure using an online broker not approved by SEC yet.

I got a question for all of you - in your equities portion of your portfolio, are you all 100% foreign equities (US & world), or do you have a mix of M'sian and foreign equities in your portfolio? If I have a choice I want to keep my Malaysian equities to just 10% of my portfolio cos I have no confidence with the Malaysian economy.


CoastFireSoon P
post Jun 1 2022, 10:15 AM

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Am so sorry for the double post. Can't seem to delete it? bangwall.gif
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post Jun 3 2022, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Jun 1 2022, 07:51 PM)
sigh probably off-topic but here goes.

actually, since you've money in the Public Mutual eco-system (and already paid the hefty 3.5% entrance fee per ringgit), it has more options than a robo like say StashAway. you can easily switch to a US unit trust without needing to convert your RM into USD, since you are just buying UT units denominated in RM. during my time, the fee to switch is RM25 regardless of transaction amount

there are also Far East or even ASEAN based UT. no need to worry of reconverting from USD to HKD/SGD etc... all denominated in RM
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I could, but I'm literally down 10k so takut lol. I'd much rather move it out of the ecosystem to be honest. Don't like being charged up to 1.5% annual fees. A friend of mine told me to look at their top 10 holdings. If they got potential stay, If they don't, just cut losses. OUCH. It's a small caps fund.

Encikbuta - Nice to find a personal finance blog! I love reading them. I have one too where I document my journey but not in such detail as you. I'm terrible at math lol: Lowyat won't let me include the link cos still probation so later I share. Also glad to meet another one investing in VT. 100% equities is so brave!

I am planning of just simplifying into that from VTI + VXUS cos I really tired of paying MIDF's super high trading fees. Just buying via Rakuten Trade now. When I realise all I have to do to invest every month is just funnel fix amount every month there, I'm like, eh, so easy ah? Lol. Before, I had to funnel to so many different places, roboadvisors lah, UT lah, brokers lah ... glad to know all I have to do is just that for now.

My funds are quite songsang right now. My equity part of my portfolio (Excluding EPF) is 55%. Fixed income is 45% - a mix of FDs, bonds and MM. I'm hoping to bring the equity up to 70%. My Malaysian equities almost half of my equity portfolio rclxub.gif but I'm quickly catching up with my foreign investments, so soon it'll be at least 30% of the portfolio. It'll take me some time to gather the bullets. I suppose as I'm 45 already, It's reasonable to have about 30% or more in Fixed Income.

IBKR - still conflicted about that. My question is, if anything happens to the company, how do we get the money back? No one can answer that for now so I still takut.

Glad to learn from everyone!
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post Jun 3 2022, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(toiletwater @ Jun 3 2022, 09:51 AM)
35 aged semi-booglehead here. Surprised to find MY version.

Most of my investments is in ASNB (non-bumi fund) and local stocks, but past 4 years I have been pumping more money into IBKR account to hold VOO. The reason I use VOO despite its tax disadvanages is that the differences are minimal.

Also, recently I have been dabbling with individual stock picks (US and HK) and crypto. As it has been too tempting to stay out. But I try to keep it within 5% max for these risky securities.

I'd kill for a low-cost KLSE index fund ETF. And maybe other ASEAN market stock indexes too. So tired of looking at local markets, news, valuations. When US market seems bleak or the exchange rate is unfavourable like now, there's no choice but to put funds into local markets.
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Me too man. I explored the Malaysian ETFs, we do have a KLSE-type index fund ETF - FTSE Bursa Malaysia KLCI ETF but apparently it doesn't track the entire index but just certain companies (30 biggest listed companies), so it's not as diversified as we'd like. Performance some more not so great.

Speaking of Malaysian ETFs wonder why not many people exploring them? I bought two funds mainly:
- ABF Malaysia Bond Index Fund (0800EA)
- TradePlus MSCI Asia Ex Japan Reits Tracker

Glad to know you're into VOO. Irish domiciled funds have higher expense ratio than US Vanguard funds and also the brokerage fee is higher apparently, so I think it more or less evens out in the end. Well, until you amass too much and then you start feeling the WHT pinch and get worried about estate tax.

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same here. aside from fees, legacy planning plays a big role in my consideration of overseas broker selection. the amount i have invested in VT is quite huge (to me) and on top of that, i have a few dependents. so the thought of having my funds 'stuck' overseas upon my sudden demise is worse than the death itself! it has to be an SC-approved broker and for now, it looks like a toss up between Rakuten Trade or FSMOne's ETF RSP plan.


encikbuta I remember reading up about people trying to get back money from an investment bank that kantoi, it wasn't easy. somemore it resides overseas. I don't know lah, I don't have that risk apetite - totally understand since you got dependents. Thanks for telling me about the FSMOne ETF plan. Will check it out.
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post Jun 3 2022, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Jun 3 2022, 11:17 AM)
Well, part of the Bogleheads modus operandi is to invest at fixed intervals and don't time the market anyway, so it's surprisingly a smaller deal than it is. For broad market index, it's really hard to profit or loss from the movement, no need to worry too much about it.

I wouldn't bother with KLCI Index - Index investing doesn't mean you buy anything that says it's an index or an ETF. You buy VWRA/VT because its a representation of the broad market that it covers the broad market that in general trend up.

KLCI as a whole has been trading sideways or down for the last decade, you couldn't even beat inflation even if there was an index for it.

Keep it simple. Stay with broad market indexes, don't overthink it and end up with diworsification.
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Agree! That's why didn't even bother with the index. Besides, so heavily invested in Malaysia via ETF already. So my focus now is on shoveling more foreign funds.

Admittedly, I find it hard NOT to time the market sometimes. I usually invest right after I get my salary, but I'm thinking - Maybe I should invest when VT / VTI is lower. And then I hesitate, and then weeks pass and so on lol.

About VOO etc, I watched a recent video by Ziet that made me more assured that it's okay to invest in VT for now until I amassed too much and I can buy Ireland domiciled funds to make it worth it. Just search on Youtube "The Best & Cheapest Way to Invest in the S&P 500 Index | VOO vs CSPX" (sorry can't include links right now) .

My next mission is to find a PRS fund (global) to replace my current one which is Malaysian based. Just want to have more foreign funds. Eyeing Manulife Shariah PRS-Global REIT Fund or AIA PAM – Global Islamic Growth Fund. Must do homework on them first. Once the PRS tax benefit is taken away I'll stop putting into this fund.
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post Jun 13 2022, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Jun 8 2022, 03:42 PM)
I think above is wrong. The whole idea of FSM RSP ETF is to allow investors to put in small amount every month. When you say MYR5,500 you calculate based on ? Can give e.g ?

My understanding is say MYR 100 then pay 0.08% is 0.08 cents or minimum USD 1. Due to the minimum of USD 1 the monthly amount if put small yes rugi. Which is why I never go for FSM RSP ETF for US listed ETF. I use it for HKEX, SGX listed ETF instead.

For ppl want to RSP US listed ETF, my current suggestion would be IBKR and Webull which unfortunately is not operating in Msia so it is considered overseas broker and some Msian investors have doubts which is ok. Then FSM MY is your next closest I guess.
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Hello everyone,
I find the conversation about FSM RSP ETF fascinating as it'll be good to automate my investments.

However, I'm super confused about the fee structure due to the discussion.

As far as I understand, let's say your RSP is RM2000 a month. The transaction fee should then be 0.08% of the RSP or min US1. So in this case, it'll be US$1 - RM4.50 which, for local brokers, is considered quite affordable compared to Rakuten's RM8 per trade or MIDF's freaking RM36 per trade. This is, of course, for those who prefer local brokers like me. (I have been told to death that IBKR is cheaper, I totally get it lol)

Am I correct on the math here here or off base?


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post Jun 14 2022, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jun 13 2022, 09:01 PM)
Why not use FSM for RSP and Rakuten for ad hoc purchase? Win win in terms of cost but need to maintain 2 different trading accounts
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Was just thinking this. I prefer to stay in one broker if possible but unfortunately I kept opening with one that ended up not being the preferred one. So I now have accounts at Malacca Securities, Rakuten Trade, MIDF and next, FSM one? lol
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post Jun 14 2022, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jun 14 2022, 10:24 AM)
For local shares, i think u can transfer from one broker to another with minimal cost. I did a transfer many years back i think it only cost RM10 per transfer but that was for direct CDS account.
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That's good to know! I still have so much to learn about buying shares - I didn't know we can transfer wink.gif
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post Jun 14 2022, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jun 14 2022, 08:46 AM)
Genuine question. May I know the reason that you would prefer local brokerage over firms like IBKR despite their competitive fees and convenience (all in one)?
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For me the reason is very personal. I'm someone that can get overwhelmed quite easily when it comes to financial matters. I need to make investing as brain dead simple as possible. I've read up on how to transfer funds to IBKR and I'm like, gawd, so complicating. This will cause friction for me, which means I'll hesitate to invest and slow down my investing too.

Also, the idea of having most of my wealth in an overseas brokerage where I have no easy access to their offices in case shit hits the fan makes me nervous. And the thought of what I need to do to get that money back in case anything happens is also overwhelming. I get that the likelihood of that happening is very slim, but I rather play it safe.

Maybe I'll put a portion of my income in IBKR one day, but for now I'll use local brokers.
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post Jun 22 2022, 08:58 AM

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Hello everyone,
I'm currently invested in these local ETFs:
- TRADEPLUS MSCI ASIA EX JAPAN REITS
- ABF Malaysia Bond Index Fund (0800EA)

Understand that many Malaysians think these ETFs may have bad liquidity, though some say the market makers mitigates that problem. The idea of a Malaysian-domiciled ETF of foreign funds is very attractive to me. (Currently just plugging into VT)

What's your opinion of Malaysian ETFs? Any of you invested in local ETFs? Do you think it's worth it to do so?
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post Jun 23 2022, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Jun 22 2022, 05:57 PM)
Your concern are valid. This is why I read investors willing to fork out more comm fees and go for local brokers. Actually I find Msian investor a bit limited options, IBKR Webull all setup shop in Spore but why not Msia I don't understand. This cause so much hassle for Msian investors so no choice go for overseas brokers. Although I'm Sporean I really sympathize with you all. Maybe in future IBKR Webull will setup shop in Msia. Afterall StashAway done that what is stopping others?
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I suspect cos the right "arrangements" have not been made in the corridors of power, if you know what I mean...

 

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