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This was from years ago and Mou was criticised for this. What do you think now?

puppet or non puppet does it make a difference now? lol... still now we have came to this shit stage anyhow.... we had two non puppet managers who won us some cups but long term wise we still sucks even after winning those cups.. so who should bear the responsibility of making the managers failed or successful? in the end come back to same thing... The BOARD...

The biggest issue with United right now is not the management but the players itself. We have a lot of players who are not good enough for the team.  To make it worst is their attitude - the think they are bigger than the team and some are just to lazy to improve individually because they feel like they already at the best club in the world and the opponent should fear them. And whenever new manager comes in, they never listen to the manager but rather ganged up and create a mutiny to oust the manager. This cycle will continue unless United get rid of these players - Maguire, Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Lingard, Henderson, Shaw, Greenwood & Bailly. Don't get me wrong, they are not a bad players by all means but they're toxic in the dressing room because they have been with the club for a long time (except for Maguire but he's the captain). They will thrive at other club (look at Pogba playing for Juventus, he's world class when he's not big headed).

What United should do is get rid of all these players and start fresh with Erik Ten Hag. He's well-known for bringing the best out of players and developing young talents. United have plenty of young talents - Elenga, Mejbri, Pellistri, Amad, Garner, Iqbal, McNeill, Hugill & Alvaro. Also, Ten Hag could also bring few players from Ajax with him. Remember, this guy is able to bring the best out of Donny when other managers couldn't. Same when he was coaching Ajax ex-players such as de Ligt, de Jong, Ziyach, etc. United need to to be patient and give this guy 3 years at least to develop United without any pressure to win anything especially if he decided to get rid of those toxic players. Liverpool did give Klopp time to develop his team, why can't United do the same?

There are 5 candidates being considered based on what I heard.

Ten Hag.
Poch.
Ancelotti.
Luis Enrique.
Tuchel.

lol this pogba... reli wanna make an enemy of all the fans baru he gam yuin... we cant win anything like he is not responsible like that... world class midfielder but without consistency = shit... lol

Ten Hag. If we go for him, whether he will success or not depends on two factors in my opinion.

What is the ask from the club of the manager?
If it is to win the League next season with the current crop of expensive players, Ten Hag will fail. I have no doubts. He is not a management magician.
If they are giving Ten Hag 3 years across 6 transfer windows to try and win the League with the job security that comes with it, I think he has a shot. But I don't know if our club can take the pain of long term planning.

What is the support structure provided to Ten Hag?
If he is allowed to bring in his coaches and technical staff to support him, he has a shot. If the structure around the manager remains the same with Murtough and Fletcher as Technical Director and Mike Phelan in whatever role he is doing now, he will fail.

Bruno from few months ago “open for option” to now “agreed new contract”, surely something have influence him to sign, either the board told him the new manager’s plan to use him as a key player for coming season, if not at his age he can just fulfilled the remaining 2 years plus 1 year extension and walk away to another club that can win trophies but that club certainly not us for now.

If above is not as per what u said, then another reason he wanted to stay is…. Money, that’s it.

for me ..

if , they replace Director of Football position from murtough to rangnink, scrap the technical director crap and give rangnick power to rebuild
- then hiring Erik tan Hag would become a positive move

but, if they keep murtough position, just use rangnick only as consultant to give advice without any power
- whatever manager be it poch or ten hag will not give u anything

...honestly, the way i see it, man utd will not give rangnick any power to decide, but just an advisor to murtuogh ..
therefore, i dont think ten hag will come. and clearly poch is clear favorite 

Van gaal is still bitter sacked after winning FA cup. Mind you, he should’ve been sacked in disastrous december that season.

Tbf I get it from van gaal pov, the club leak the sacking to the press before anyone else. That really hurts on personal level. Yup, United are badly running club and zero doubt about that. However, it is not first time van gaal talked bad about United with the bitterness tone, so I hope the club will continue to persuade ten hag to show why he is highly sought and in for long term.

As bad as the season goes, the hierarchy of the club starting to change with soon departure of woody, appointment of football director, outside consultant. Not to mention a lot of dross need to be replaces. It’ll take awhile but the off pitch is aligned with modern clubs. Let us see

That’s the risk United have to take it regardless of ten hag or poch. Hence, the ‘reset’ culture from the appointment of ole (which the experiment fail) but we did change in terms of structure.

Of course, there will be a yes men in the organization. Impossible to have a complete refresh start for every role unless glazers are bought out by others and revolutionize everything. It’s a bit and parcel we have to take. Who knows Vds will be keen to return after ten hag establish his role here?

doesnt reli matter who we hire, i doubt any world class manager can bring us back to EPL glory within 3 seasons... anything more than that we just tipu ourselves and consider as long term... unless we suddenly chg it to given more power to the manager like how pool owners did to klopp...  lol

do you think the glazers is the problem, or all this while they were listening to murtuogh?
poch, kane, haaland, sancho, maguire,.. these list i believe were coming from their scout system previously headed by this guy, and now the same guy is in that director position. 

on this poch thing ..rio now join the buddies bandwagon
..gnev, butt, rio, lineker, all recommend poch

scholes more into tuchel and conte ..

To be fair, Ajax was never a major European football powerhouse and never intended to be. Their footballing model has always been the development of young players and subsequent export of those players to sustain the economics. They are one of the premier European footballing academies. In fact, they were doing what Dortmund has been doing for years.

Even during their glory days in the 90s, they won the European Cup in '95 with a squad of young players who subsequently departed for other clubs. Ajax's success is measured in their ability to remain competitive in their League while producing star players who can be sold.

I cannot say for the 3 European Cup wins from '71 - '73 as that is a little before my time and probably when Cryuff was at the peak of his powers.

it depends on the club management goals. like ajax or recent dortmund case, they are about sustaining while being able to provide good football. and their profits comes from selling players when they can. domestically they are still a force.

if VDS comes here definitely his goals will will similar to providing support to the manager with the players the managers want. but on bigger budgets  i.e. will not likely to sell before buy etc. RM, Barcelona and even any club in PL will have a better marketability compared to the Dutch league.

The answer to the Ajax question is economics.

The Dutch Eredevisie is not even in the Top 5 European Leagues and commercially draws a much lower revenue compared to other European rivals. We can point out that Bayern is heads and shoulders above the competition too in their League but the Bundesliga has much higher revenues compared to the Dutch Eredevisie. How much more? Clubs like Schalke and Frankfurt earn a much higher revenue than Ajax. Ajax's entire market value as at Sep '21 is 340M Euros.
Borrusia Dortmund's annual revenue is 365M Euros. Which means Dortmund could essentially buy Ajax with just one year's revenue with cash to spare. Even clubs like Zenit St Petersburg and Lyon rank far above Ajax in economic terms.

So Ajax is essentially trapped in a small league with tiny revenues in comparison to Europe's top 5 leagues. They have to model according to their economic standing and have been very successful in that.

On the VDS question, I don't have an opinion on the CEO candidates but I think a fair number of United fans just want to see a footballing man at the helm instead of a commercials guy like Woodward. But under the Glazers, I don't think that will happen. Like Van Gaal said, which is true, Manchester United are a commercial entity first and a football club second.