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post Dec 18 2021, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sasuke95 @ Dec 17 2021, 04:22 PM)
I think I'm a little out of touch with the world, not knowing how everyone else is doing.

Last week my company decided to give me a raise due to my good performance, to RM7k per month, effective next Jan 2022.

At age 27, is this considered:

1. poor?
2. average?
3. above average?
4. exceedingly good?

EDIT thanks to user "wailam" saying it is important to say what is the field, to make sure the context is right.

I'm in finance/audit/accounting related field.[SIZE=7]

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For banking field, 7K rm at age 27 is above average. Btw, I hope you understand the word average.
finance/audit/accounting are related to banking, so you are doing fine.

But if you are asking if the market rate is fair, that is a different question.
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post Dec 18 2021, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(Sasuke95 @ Dec 18 2021, 04:51 PM)
yes whether the market rate is fair within KL malaysia?
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That is the issue with "free markets" I guess. Malaysia's ecosystem is doing a huge disservice to all of us here. Since I am older and comtemplating early retirement, it is now in my interest to have our ecosystem continue to depress labor compensation.

We are definitely losing talents. Government's and employers' trick of good/cheap food and this is our birthplace can only do so much. And to compound on it, the old "people" continue to stagnate and that causes the next generation to suffer. (politics is all just too clear).

I always advise those who can to go overseas to work if possible. Singapore is a no brainer as it is nearby and easiest for us Malaysians culturally. But if possible, do head to China or America or Europe, etc. Yeah, Covid is making it harder.
(taking america for example. a fresh grad in accounting can make north of 60K usd per year in fixed salary. Better to have more reasons to stay in KL right? Our government and employers still think like it is back in the 1970s; taking advantage of covid situation as well )

But I also tell them to remember and return to Malaysia if can, especially when one is closer to retirement. At least the the talents are not totally lost. And then our government went to approve tax on foreign income remitted. lol.



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post Dec 18 2021, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Sasuke95 @ Dec 18 2021, 08:23 PM)
haha easier said than done, initially when i found out im in for an uphill battle with my own jealous colleagues in same dept, i know this is going to be a solo ride

it's tough, you feel the loneliness, lunch u forced to go somewhere alone rather than join in an environment that you dont belong, it takes a toll on you mentally

eventually i grew numb to it and used to the solitary lifestyle, but before i became numb, i actually get quite close to resigning, that's the critical part of mental hurdle need to overcome to achieve true mental strength

price of strength, is to be alone, away from the weak.
the weak, gather together, discuss about gossips
while the strong, constantly find ways to improve, i learnt to enjoy my alone lunch time by reading after my meal is finished, investing related topics, to kill time till my 1 hour break is finished, then return to office
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After reading a bit here and there in this thread about your firm (based on your observations and feeling), it maybe a good idea for you to look elsewhere. At least to you, your firm is limiting your potential and career path, and there is really no point to waste your effort there.

finding ways to kill 1 hour of your lunch time is just one example of a tell tale sign.

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post Dec 18 2021, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(Sasuke95 @ Dec 18 2021, 09:04 PM)
it depends whether im busy or not, if i have lots of pending tasks to do, i will go back to office as soon as i finish my lunch, dont even bother to utilize the 1 hour break

you might be right about limiting potential, there's a limited amount of tasks to do here, hence im moving out to the 7k job i mentioned in this thread to have more exposure to a more diverse area in finance, so i can comfortably apply for finance manager in future

but then on the other hand, my investments are doing super well to the extent im able to reach financial freedom in less than 1 year (if things worked out as planned, i planned for this a long time ago, it is by no means due to luck, but effort)

so, it's a wait and see game, as long as im still waiting my target to be reached, i will still be working, once reached, salary doesnt matter anymore, instant resign
enjoy 7 days weekend
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It does appear that you have put a lot of thought process into this, and has put in place steps to achieve your goals. Exceptionally commendable for anyone of any age, let alone at your age.

It would also be a good idea to find a trustworthy mentor to go over ur plans and uncover any blindspots. Certain things only come with experience and time unfortunately.

For examples (just based on the points you mentioned here), and do take them as constructive feedbacks.
Under normal circumstances, i would say financial freedom is a good concept, but the fact that you are discussing about 7K remuneration may mean your concept of financial freedom may not be able to withstand reality shocks in life.
at your current career stage (or if we are being blunt, basically your current job), completing tasks may appear to be the only thing that matters. Unfortunately it is not. The other aspects of working life is what most of us mean by building relationships or playing office politics. Joke aside, a good example is have you ever notice that CEOs of companies almost never do any work and yet they still get paid?

Investment returns are largely due to luck and the stories heard are mostly survivorship bias type of stories. What i find more enduring is having enough buffers to withstand bad luck. Keep at it and not pull any triggers until you are truly ready. The good thing for you here is your youth. Any mistake done now, you still have time to do error correction.
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post Dec 18 2021, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(TechnoG @ Dec 18 2021, 10:00 PM)
audit yes, I beg to differ on banking especially front office (sales)
25-26 can easily bring in 6 digits monthly after bonus.

then again its for top performers, average performers also raking in sub 8k
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6 digit monthly after bonus means 100K rm?

It is exceptionally rare, applicable mainly for commission based jobs like UT seller or Insurance seller... basically each major bank for example, only a few at most. This is the part where people thought it is better to be in sales because of the perception of easy money.

Human nature feedback loop will work against such performers. Just look up remunerations of CEOs of insurance firms or UT/fund houses. If CEOs are only making low millions per year, the system/the firms "humans" will not allow these 25/26 "kids" from easily and continiously bringing in 100K rm above month in month out.
and these high performers have to share their good fortunes with others like their sales heads/managers/branch groups in one form or another.

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post Dec 18 2021, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Sasuke95 @ Dec 18 2021, 10:26 PM)
not really sure what do you mean by the sentence below, care to elaborate?

"but the fact that you are discussing about 7K remuneration may mean your concept of financial freedom may not be able to withstand reality shocks in life"

i have absolutely no desire to play office politics, just not in my genes, as much as i want to keep things simple (after all it's just a job anyway, just do work, dont cause havoc), in reality most likely wont work out, you are forced to play politics anyway. I have seen 1 colleague of mine, master in politics, please and befriend and get close with the senior manager, he climb the rank faster than the rest, the bad thing about him is that he also abuse politic to cause harm to others, constantly put down and criticizing others to make himself look better, even sexually harass some girls and no one can do anything about it, the girl complained, but no action taken against him at the end, his politics game simply too strong.

work politic is the very reason why im pursuing financial freedom feverishly, not gonna put up with these craps and just want to enjoy my life, like life supposed to be, instead of wasting life away at work, doing something you're not passionate about, for money and survival, i kinda see thru the systems already, ordinary people with no sophisticated plans in place will be doomed to work till retirement age, like a rat in a caged wheel, to keep the society running
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ah, what I meant by it is basically a form of reality check.
financial freedom is not a static story.

in this case, the discussion was focusing on 7K remuneration for someone of 27 years old, and how that rank relative to market/location of KL/age. So the number portion of financial freedom in mind would be in the same order to lower order of magnitude of 7K rm per month.
This number may appear adequate at your current state, but your requirements will not remain static just because you are at the start of your adult stage. Good examples are say flooding of your home (that causes financial damage) or some random medical expense. These things younger people usually thought of as random, but they are almost certainty as time passes.
The other end of the scope would be say you strike a lottery which will pay you 1 mio rm per month. I would say that is way more than enough and to need more is just greedy. Even cancer treatment will not cost that much (and if it does, one may decide it is better to just die).

I feel and agree with you on the office politics part. unfortunately all you described I have seen in my work place and other firms and I am sure they are not rare. For lack of better words, this is Malaysia and we are stuck with such culture. Should never participate in such toxic culture, but cross any bridge as it comes.




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post Dec 19 2021, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Dec 19 2021, 01:23 PM)
In IT it's not that difficult. Got one junior from my ex company, salary 6k+, June promoted to senior 7k+, one month later I got him through my current company interview offering 9k+, mana tau he was also interviewing another company, he rejected that offer saying he got 9k+ from mine, next day that company came out with new offer 10k+, so he went there.

Salary 6k to 10k in a matter of months yo. Not even 6 months.
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This is yet another indication that wages in Malaysia is "affordable" from the employer's point of view.
especially true for MNC and if the employee is willing to travel. Get a 10K rm salaried employee, and send him/her to say UK to work for 6 months. To fill the same scope with UK local hire would have cost more than 7K gbp with other costs.
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post Dec 19 2021, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(likefunyouare @ Dec 19 2021, 02:03 PM)
how much money do you need to reached financial freedom?
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a good way to gauge is look at your take home pay x 0.5. That is pretty much what you need per month, with the assumptions that everything remain static. You will still live very comfortably.
(MCO/WFH/covid is a good gauge of what is basic needs)

So to add buffer, multiply that number by 2 or 3 or 4....

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post Dec 19 2021, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Dec 19 2021, 04:56 PM)
Hei guys,

Recently I have received an offer which the total compensation package, and I rejected the offer.

The following is the compensation package:

Basic: Rm42,220/month
Sign on bonus: rm422,200
Annual bonus: Guaranteed minimum of rm500,000

So total about rm1.43m/year

Note, it’s tax free because I work in a industry that are not regulated yet

So why I reject?
- Doesn’t have good reputation
- Work culture 9-9-6 and expect to work on weekend
- micromanagement
- management from China

My current role compensation in another company is half of what this company want to offer, but with better culture, and less stress

Am I making the wrong choice?
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lol
nice story. tell tale: asking the last question.

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post Dec 19 2021, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Dec 19 2021, 05:08 PM)
Yeap, I earn USD. I converted into ringgit only

Well, of course typical /k like you will always skeptical on other people sharing.
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You just answered without realizing that your story is "nice", and I am being polite here.
But lets focus on the question you asked. What's the point of the story and question: just hijack the thread? I cannot see your contribution to this thread with said story, but this would be for the TS to decide. As I am just a participant in this thread as well in a public forum.

btw, i would guess a typical /k, as you equate me to, would ask you for screenshot proof, else it is all fake story. Then again, another /k would just create some screenshot for fun. (btw, I don't mean it, so no need to divulge any info please as it is a public forum).

Btw, if want to use usd, do be consistent with all the numbers.
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post Dec 19 2021, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Dec 19 2021, 05:43 PM)
My story was “nice” and I might hijack this thread, Yeap I did

On your face, oh wait, you will say this is photoshop or I replied to myself

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Anyway, as i mentioned I work in a non regulated industry (most of country doesn’t regulate it)

I wouldn’t want to share my public profile because I’m active in this industry.
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in my face of what? you made a story, and then your ego is inflated because I entertained you?

Again, I am being generous by explaining stuff to you, which I really should not.
taxation has nothing to do with regulation. I am guessing you are trying to say that you are involved in crypto field, but I can be completely wrong as your story is not detailed enough yet.

Another free advice.
Assuming your story is real, make sure you are properly protected and your employment contract is proper and you are operating within legal framework. The field can be unregulated, but the law of the land should be sound.

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post Dec 19 2021, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(000022 @ Dec 19 2021, 05:37 PM)
It would be weirder to assume people on the internet would not be sceptical about a claim that is not the norm/average without proof, and any kind of information except for salary paid. In any case, better post it in Jobs/career thread, seems more appropriate there.
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Yeah, I wanted to say that it could be due to youth, but I was never like that when I was younger...

but it could be eqo... public forums do have diverse set of participants. biggrin.gif

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post Dec 19 2021, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(cuddlybubblyteddy @ Dec 19 2021, 06:05 PM)
Yeap, I make a story to ire you when you couldn’t take it and stand , make a reply to my story lol 😂

Because you felt ant crawling under your skin and touch your ego

I don’t need legal framework as I work in a very decentralised ecosystem

Employment contract just a piece of paper, it doesn’t really hold any value at all, it’s just for formality
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lol. you didn't ire me at all. In fact, I thank you for the story as entertainment.

like I said, this is a public forum, and it would be silly to be impacted emotionally at all.

I am also glad that you are entertained and felt that you did make a impact on my ego. But what you did do is help me pass some time during a very rainy weekend.
Why not share more of your stories, as I feel that you actually want to share more and trying to build some form of reputation in this forum about what you are doing and how good it is to society even. Looking forward to more stories really.

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post Dec 19 2021, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(Sasuke95 @ Dec 19 2021, 06:05 PM)
lol guys... calm down, just assume he's telling the truth and move on, im happy for him earning that much, will be even happier if he donate some crypto to me
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If he did, do be careful: no free lunch and you may end up as his lunch.

But I really doubt he will. one btc would be nice to any of us. See, I happily help him hijack this thread as his platform to tell his story.

 

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