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post Sep 18 2007, 08:27 AM, updated 19y ago

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The European Civic Type R has been a disappointment to AutoZinists. So what about the Japanese version ? As we know, the Japanese usually reserve the best for themselves - partly because of their desire for technology, partly because their extreme machines won't comply with EU or Federal regulations. Compare with the Euro car, the Japanese Civic Type R differs in many aspects. First of all, it is built on the 4-door sedan with longer wheelbase and multi-link rear suspensions. The 3-box chassis is also inherently more rigid than the hatchback.

Secondly, it looks much more handsome and sporty, thanks to a more balanced proportion and a large rear spoiler. For those who dislike the look of the European Type R like me, we have plenty of reasons to choose the Japanese car. For the fans of the now defunct Integra Type R, they have a good reason to stay at Honda.

Thirdly, the chassis tuning is even more aggressive than the European car. It has harder springs and dampers, larger brakes (front: 320mm ventilated discs with Brembo 4-pot calipers; rear: 282mm solid discs), lower ride height and, note this, a Torsen LSD as standard. To compensate the weight increment, it deleted the sound deadening materials, the spare tire, the power door mirrors... It also converted the front bumper beam to aluminum, and the folding rear seat to a fixed one. As a result, the Japanese Type R weighs much the same as the shorter European car. Well done.

Of course, the K20A engine is also higher tuned. From outside, it might look the same. Underneath, however, it gets higher compression (11.7:1 vs 11.0:1), larger diameter throttle body, larger and straighter intake manifolds (even with resin coating on the inner surface to reduce air resistance, like the late NSX) and rerouted exhaust manifolds to reduce back-pressure. The result is 225 horsepower by JIS standard at 8000 rpm, 159 pound-foot of torque at 6100 rpm, maximum rev is 8400 rpm. That's 24 hp, 17 lbft and 400 rpm more than the European car.

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The Japanese Civic Type R is clearly designed for hardcore drivers. Its engine output is focused at high rev, from 6000 rpm upward, with a pronounced power kick once the VTEC system switched to the fast cams. The loud exhaust note fills the uninsulated cabin. The rev-happiness, the slick gearchange and the aural rewards encourage you to squeeze every drop of horsepower from your right foot. The higher the rev, the more excitement you get. In the Type R, everybody could become a street racer.

Not only the powertrain, the chassis also performs like a race car. The shocks from the road transmit to your bum directly. In return, you get rock-steady body control. The steering - hydraulic assisted here rather than electrical assisted - delivers direct feel to the driver's hand. This car steers with precision and response surpassing the European Type R. The front wheels grip hard on the road (thanks to LSD) without any torque steer. When you come to stop, the Brembo brakes provide powerful and confidence inspiring braking.

Provided you can live with its harsh ride and less tractable engine, the Japanese Civic Type R is unquestionably the better car. More important, it shows that Honda hasn't really gone soft, at least at its home market.

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In the recent Best Motoring July 2007 they pitted the Honda Civic Type-R against Honda NSX Type-S, Honda S2000, Honda Integra Type-R and the Nissan 350Z and it did not bad. It held against the bigger engine cars for a few laps before losing to the Honda NSX Type-S. Of course if it is the Honda NSX Type-R the Civic Type-R will be eating dust. Something for me to consider. smile.gif

http://www.italiaauto.net/viewtopic.php?t=6085&start=75

This post has been edited by Drifter: Sep 18 2007, 09:06 AM
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post Sep 18 2007, 08:50 AM

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Nice Jap's !!!
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post Sep 18 2007, 08:57 AM

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btw, ur topic title
suppose to be type, not tyre.. laugh.gif
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post Sep 18 2007, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(JuNz-V @ Sep 18 2007, 08:57 AM)
btw, ur topic title
suppose to be type, not tyre.. laugh.gif
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post Sep 18 2007, 10:06 AM

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how much would be a civic Type R in malaysia?
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post Sep 18 2007, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Sep 18 2007, 10:06 AM)
how much would be a civic Type R in malaysia?
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RM199,800.
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post Sep 18 2007, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Sep 18 2007, 10:18 AM)
RM199,800.
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for me i rather go for integra DC5 type-r...
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post Sep 18 2007, 10:41 AM

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Even if the Jap Civic Type-R performs better yadayada, I'd still take the European one. Fancier shape. Girls will just say "Eh, you also got Honda Civic ah?" with the Jap version. Too tedious to explain to them it's a Type-R
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QUOTE(ALIAS.JG @ Sep 18 2007, 10:41 AM)
Even if the Jap Civic Type-R performs better yadayada, I'd still take the European one. Fancier shape. Girls will just say "Eh, you also got Honda Civic ah?" with the Jap version. Too tedious to explain to them it's a Type-R
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Hahaha...totally agree... tongue.gif

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post Sep 18 2007, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(JuNz-V @ Sep 18 2007, 10:21 AM)
for me i rather go for integra DC5 type-r...
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i will maximize my budget by a bit more.. get a BMW 3 series smile.gif
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post Sep 18 2007, 11:15 AM

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better dun get a type r if ur sole purpose is to impress chicks
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if wanna impress chicks, i think BMW would be better lo ...
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post Sep 18 2007, 11:25 AM

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This is the one being sold in Malaysia officially, isn't it?
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post Sep 18 2007, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Sep 18 2007, 11:25 AM)
This is the one being sold in Malaysia officially, isn't it?
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yup, the one with the price tag stated above.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Sep 18 2007, 11:25 AM)
This is the one being sold in Malaysia officially, isn't it?
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wanna get one ? brows.gif
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i got big dream. want to own a gt-r bnr34. the only way that i could own that car is by working there under malaysian embassy. Darn december is so far away. can wait to own one
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the other car at the same price would be the golf gti, i think chicks could easily tell it apart from a JDM honda civic, hahaha
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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam2 @ Sep 18 2007, 11:46 AM)
i got big dream. want to own a gt-r bnr34. the only way that i could own that car is by working there under malaysian embassy. Darn december is so far away. can wait to own one
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post Sep 18 2007, 12:09 PM

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come on la just an imagination. Nyway i prefer european GT-"R" can than japanese one. except for skyline. In terms of power and safety. European cars used to put that factor more than the way it looks. Japanese car in the other hand prefer to adapt design from average consumer , more value for money and always straight forward in terms of satisfaction... i don't know how to put it, but let hear someone else opinion. They are way better than i am.
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honda's malaysia type-R is boring.

http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news-535-The+Ci...F+SCOOP%3F.html
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QUOTE(kev da man @ Sep 18 2007, 12:14 PM)
fuyo, Japan play new RR already biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kev da man @ Sep 18 2007, 12:14 PM)
they doesn't did a well job in mme~~~previous year they got some big big advertisment...but this year~~~diam saja!!! doh.gif
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eh who said not good job?

overall 2nd and 3rd position, 2000cc class 1 and 2 position

1st place overall lost to some GT3 team. bleah.
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huh...really?? i mean this year woh~~~why dun c any advertisement say that their result in mme???
mayb i should log in to check the result!!!
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QUOTE(Drifter @ Sep 18 2007, 11:15 AM)
better dun get a type r if ur sole purpose is to impress chicks
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Agree, with 200k budget, can get plenty of better cars to impress chicks. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jssim @ Sep 18 2007, 01:04 PM)
they doesn't did a well job in mme~~~previous year they got some big big advertisment...but this year~~~diam saja!!! doh.gif
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lol..where have u been?
this year MME .. honda defend the A title for 5th consecutive years.. using the new civic type-r

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/fea...t-malaysia.html
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QUOTE(ALIAS.JG @ Sep 18 2007, 10:41 AM)
Even if the Jap Civic Type-R performs better yadayada, I'd still take the European one. Fancier shape. Girls will just say "Eh, you also got Honda Civic ah?" with the Jap version. Too tedious to explain to them it's a Type-R
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duh.. why would u buy for girls? screw them.. do they even know what is the difference between FWD and RWD? laugh.gif

I would go for JDM CTR. Performance obviously outrun the UKDM CTR. The thing that makes me wonder is, why they need 2 differernt CTR? Is Honda UK and Honda Japan different? huh.gif
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QUOTE(Gouki @ Sep 18 2007, 01:52 PM)
Agree, with 200k budget, can get plenty of better cars to impress chicks.  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(JuNz-V @ Sep 18 2007, 10:21 AM)
for me i rather go for integra DC5 type-r...
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dc5 type-r is quite heavy..some of modders only bought it get the engine..as for performance due to car weight, civic is the best! thumbup.gif rclxms.gif
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if i have 200k 2 spend on a hot car, id go 4 the golf gti.. it maybe softer n aimed 2wards fat people who still think theyre cool, but it would be my choice.. y?? well, i like sporty cars.. but i still want one that i could live wit everyday.. it still have 2 be comfortable n safe, quiet n relaxing, n if i spent that kinda money, i would definitely want to roll down my windscreen wit juz a touch of a button..

unless if i have tons of money, n i already have a merc cls 2 do the daily drive, then i would buy a no nonsense, no compromise, hot blooded sports car.. but then again, if i were in that kinda situation, i might as well get sumthin really not practical like a honda s2000 thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(terrorist @ Sep 18 2007, 11:13 AM)
i will maximize my budget by a bit more.. get a BMW 3 series smile.gif
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i think chick will much more appreciate sports car rather than standard 3 series. unless we are talking an M3 here, some more 3 series easier to find anywhere rather than those purely Type R thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(eddyann @ Sep 18 2007, 04:42 PM)
i think chick will much more appreciate sports car rather than standard 3 series. unless we are talking an M3 here, some more 3 series easier to find anywhere rather than those purely Type R  thumbup.gif
dude.. chicks dont know how 2 even differentiate a type r civic and the standard civic.. they would juz think that those bodykit n spoilers r juz some aftermarket ones.. or maybe they dont even realize theres any difference at all tongue.gif

seriously, if u wanna impress chicks, get the bimmer.. eventhough theyre quite common on the streets these days, at least theyll know that u have lots of $$$
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If u wanna impress chicks, get a perodua kancil and load all ur cash at the rear passenger seat, i assure you that they will be freaking impressed.
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QUOTE(eddyann @ Sep 18 2007, 04:42 PM)
i think chick will much more appreciate sports car rather than standard 3 series. unless we are talking an M3 here, some more 3 series easier to find anywhere rather than those purely Type R  thumbup.gif
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Get a 3 Series CI... as quoted from a friend.. "Before getting the CI, there were no dates... after getting the CI, he doesn't know what to do with his dates... " nuff said...
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dude get a NSX, sure u get chicks!

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http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/18/0-300-i...llout-in-japan/

another reason why the type-r is boring tongue.gif
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erm. either way.. you can't afford either
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why need to impress chicks.. as long as u happy with ur car its ok lol.. brows.gif rclxm9.gif

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Jap version slightly more powerful and to be honest, i prefer a saloon any day over a hatchback .

200k is not reli tat exp for a NA , come on 2 litre at 225 bhp sleep.gif, a basic 2.0 also produce around 155 bhp onli.

I mean a turbo evo is well over tat price and its a 2.0 litre as well.

But honestly, the 200k is how u look at it . To each his own, a 1.5 million dollar for a ferrari to me seems like a total waste of money, but my gf's dad fancies it .

His money, his choice. =P.
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Fifth Gear : Civic Type R (UK) vs Civic Type R (JDM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjgYBL8IET4

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chicks gane get anywhere, but car??? huh sweat.gif
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post Sep 21 2007, 04:37 AM

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euro type-r still good enough. i don't like the exterior look of it but interior looks nice. handling of the car nice as well.

personally i still think its pretty good. most powerful car i've driven before. hit 130kmh only on 3rd gear with rev at 8000rpm. btw this was a test drive, don't actually own or knows somebody that owns the car.
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japs type R
much nicer than the euro one from me
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QUOTE(terrorist @ Sep 18 2007, 11:20 AM)
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Yeah yeah, girls dunno much about car, if they c Type R, they will say:"Civic only?" rclxms.gif

Better buy a second hand BMW, at least they will say:"Wow, this guy must be rich, own a BMW..." tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Onso @ Sep 20 2007, 01:04 AM)
erm. either way.. you can't afford either
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It still does not turn heads as it looks like any other Civic with a big wing at the rear.. quite a number of Civics now running around with mugen spoilers. I don't have a tall spoiler (yet) and don't have to spend as much as the Type-R but it still turns heads everywhere I go. The objective here is to be unique and not just expensive.

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