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post Nov 26 2021, 04:09 PM, updated 5y ago

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Hi all, i plan to add a partition wall beside the exising wall and shift the original db outwards onto the partition wall, is it possible?

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post Nov 26 2021, 04:20 PM

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too much trouble

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post Nov 26 2021, 04:26 PM

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Opss... I misunderstood the drawing. It is just extending the wall. It is possible. Not far but connecting wire? hmm.gif

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post Nov 26 2021, 04:53 PM

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dont think the cables have much slack for you to move the db board...
might have to repull all the cable if cannot extend to that length
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post Nov 26 2021, 05:04 PM

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Possible but highly unlikely that there is enough slack to change location.
Will be really messy and expensive too.

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post Nov 26 2021, 05:28 PM

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Yes, this is possible to do. A decent electrician will be able to extend the existing wires with no loss in conduction or strength to the new area. I would not recommend that the DB be on a partition wall due to the strength of the wall though.

As others have said, won't be a cheap process.
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post Nov 26 2021, 08:18 PM

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No benefit. Just leave it there and box it up.
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post Nov 26 2021, 09:16 PM

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Won't be enough slack.. even changing DB box format in same spot also end up with hangman tight wires sometimes. If you really need it to be hidden, there are flush mounted box like Hager Golf VF series which need hacking to contain the box.

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I do not recommend extending cables because then it would not be up to code (MS1979) as it would violate this:

4.7.3 COP 44, Cables for final sub-circuits
Cables used in final sUb-circuits in LV installations shall not be joined.

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post Nov 26 2021, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Nov 26 2021, 09:16 PM)
I do not recommend extending cables because then it would not be up to code (MS1979) as it would violate this:

4.7.3 COP 44, Cables for final sub-circuits
Cables used in final sUb-circuits in LV installations shall not be joined.
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I agree LadyBoss, it is not up to code as written. The thing is, I feel it is an administrative rule, not a safety rule. If the homeowner knows what they are getting into, and willing to bear responsibility for their own choices, then I don't see any reason not to implement their wishes. After all, they are going to live in their house for the rest of their lives, might as well have it look as good as they want it. I know I can join wires to NASA specifications that is strong, safe and reliable. And if that is not acceptable, I have cable lugs and hydraulic crimpers to use to join cables.

There are so many of the COPs that is not followed, like
52 - recommended 3x single phase RCD instead of a single 3-phase RCD, or
53 - 30 mA RCD for sockets, or
54(b) - 10 mA RCD for areas that the floor is likely to be wet. Heck, 10 mA for water heaters also people still don't do.....

How many times have electricians stuffed cables into conduits... COP 27 - Space factor of 40% must be maintained, or run conduit with cables already inside ... COP 24 - conduits must be fully erected before cables installed, or my own personal hate, COP 40 - each circuit must have it's own Neutral, clearly identifiable, and arranged in the same order as the circuits.

When is the last time you saw as-built electrical drawings attached within the DB? (COP 91)

All the ones with safety at stake doesn't seem to be important so I donno.

But you are right - I shouldn't do it because it is not COP. I guess my litmus test if I would do it for a homeowner is "Would I be comfortable to do the exact same thing for myself, or for my family members and friends?". If I wouldn't, then I won't.

 

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