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post Nov 10 2021, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(lordgamer3 @ Nov 10 2021, 03:50 PM)
Btw with regards to hp i think F1 got try b4 but never proceed cz its shyte
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No, it was banned because it was too good.

https://www.rstreet.org/2014/07/15/the-twis...ale-of-the-cvt/

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By 1993, a number of teams were testing CVTs in their cars under race conditions. Unsurprisingly, because the engines were not wasting time or power revving up and down the unprofitable parts of their power-curves, the cars were fast…several seconds a lap faster than traditional transmissions.

The CVT cars were arguably too fast. Not because the cars or the drivers could not sustain the pace, but because they were able to seriously upset the competition’s ability to compete without them. For this reason, to preserve competitive balance, Formula 1’s governing body decided to ban the use of CVTs.


QUOTE(dogbert_chew @ Nov 10 2021, 06:22 PM)
Correct. Ativa my daughter car,  me recently bought HRV excellent seamless CVT but worried I tekan for acceleration quite often so need to explore what lordgamer said about cooling. (And maybe highend lubricant?)
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Don't compare Subaru or even HRV's CVT to Ativa.

Ativa's D-CVT only rated to 150Nm of torque. The car in stock form already making 140Nm from the crank, that's only 10Nm of margin. Compare this to even Proton's 1.6 CVT which is rated 180Nm over the engine's output 150Nm.

So can Ativa's D-CVT last long especially against rough usage? only time will tell.

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post Nov 11 2021, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Nov 10 2021, 11:17 PM)
today indo just launch fwd avanza 2022 cvt edition.
they sure new recipe is well cooked to use in 7 seater vehicle
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That engine makes even less torque, and also not using the same CVT as Ativa.

Who knows, that CVT might be more tahan lasak, but you'll be going uphill with a long face.

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post Nov 11 2021, 11:04 AM

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BTW lest anyone forget, Subaru uses chain belt CVT whereas others uses plain steel belt.

Thus the difference in terms of durability, among other factors.
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post Nov 11 2021, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Nov 11 2021, 12:37 PM)
How about Nissan?

Altima (Teana sister model at US) 2.5s gave me good impression. Never check the engine torque and CVT spec, but it handle 181hp just fine.

You know being a rental car, we don't pamper it. Seems no problem to take the abuse.

Lease price is same as Camry, if the transmission is really fragile like people claim, won't the leasing company just stick to Camry to save operating cost?
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It's belt also.

When talking about Nissan CVTs in terms of reliability, all bets are off. The new Almera looks very promising, but it's the CVT that gives me pause (other than, you know, TanChong).

But when they work, Nissan has one of the best CVTs.
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post Nov 11 2021, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Nov 11 2021, 02:34 PM)
In indo, they previously had a Daihatsu Xenia which only had the 1.0L "Viva" engine and manual gear. I can imagine how well the 1.0L can cope with a full load.
But surely Toyota engineers had designed the gear ratio for full load on to cope with a 1.0l engine.

Coming back to CVT, Cvt does wonders by optimising engine load and road condition all the time.
So while your car equipped with a regular 4AT will struggle up Genting, the Cvt equipped vehicle will climb up easier.

Gears multiply the engine torque to wheels.

I'm speaking from experience owning Cvt and manual trans cars. So I'm just curious why you say "going uphill with a Cvt with a long face"
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Even with low engine torque, it can still climb, but it will climb slowly. When you multiply torque with gear ratio, you trade speed for torque. Unless you have plenty of torque to begin with before going through the transmission.

Hence the "going uphill with a long face".

I know very well how good CVT is with hill climbs, I've been advocating this advantage of the CVT in this forum for as long as I can remember. This is one of the reason I traded my 4AT for a CVT.

But it is not a miracle transmission, you don't get something for nothing, there is no free lunch.

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post Nov 11 2021, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Nov 11 2021, 04:46 PM)
I think he is referring to any low torque car as a general. With aggressive speed reduction gearing, car can always climb albeit very slowly.

Because torque and speed are inversely proportional to each other during the conversion.

10x multiplication of torque = 10x slower rotation at output. Thus the long face analogy, because of moving really realy slowly.
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Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I was referring to the Avanza 7-seater with 137Nm of torque, not the CVT in particular.

But Avanza has never been known for high torque, so at least the new one with CVT will be abit better than 4AT, I guess.

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