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post Oct 27 2021, 10:14 AM, updated 2 months ago

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just ran a test on my laptop and found incompatible just because I have gen 7 processor, everything else are meeting the requirement...

www.quora.com/Why-are-7th-generation-Intel-CPUs-not-compatible-to-Windows-11-What-feature-do-they-lack
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post Oct 27 2021, 10:19 AM

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My laptop has a gen-5 processor but I can install Windows 11 without any issue providing my laptop has TPM2.0 enabled.

The Windows 11 even updated automatically and frequently. The key is how you install it, you must fresh install it. Don't upgrade your Windows, you will never pass the requirement inspection.

To get Windows 11 activated, just login using your Microsoft Live account. That Live account must be the same account you used to login to your legitimate Windows 10. It will automatically detect your new Windows and activated it.

Speed-wise, still fast. You notice it becomes slow when using software that use heavy processing like Adobe software. Even Office run fast. We're talking Windows 11 running on a 5th gen Core-i5 processor here.

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post Oct 27 2021, 02:33 PM

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Most 8th Gen and above are eligible.
No idea why AMD even old processor still supports.
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post Oct 29 2021, 06:32 PM

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Search YouTube: How To Bypass Secure Boot and TPM 2.0 in Windows 11
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post Oct 30 2021, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(Muusyc @ Oct 29 2021, 07:32 PM)
Search YouTube: How To Bypass Secure Boot and TPM 2.0 in Windows 11
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Is it worth the hassle?

Win 10 seems to be functioning well.
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post Oct 30 2021, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 30 2021, 12:22 AM)
Is it worth the hassle?

Win 10 seems to be functioning well.
Until it stops. Microsoft will stop providing security updates to Windows 10 soon, same thing that happens to Windows 7 & Windows XP
You don't get security updates anymore and after that all kind of security holes will be found by the hackers trying to hack into your PC and get your online banking details

And if that ever happens, who are you going to blame?

It's inevitable & there's nothing you can do about it. Anti-virus won't solve everything
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post Oct 30 2021, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Oct 30 2021, 01:55 AM)
Until it stops. Microsoft will stop providing security updates to Windows 10 soon, same thing that happens to Windows 7 & Windows XP
You don't get security updates anymore and after that all kind of security holes will be found by the hackers trying to hack into your PC and get your online banking details

And if that ever happens, who are you going to blame?

It's inevitable & there's nothing you can do about it. Anti-virus won't solve everything
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I don’t think they will stop so soon as majority of people are still on Win 10 and most are still using pc that is technically not supporting Win 11.

They will probably only stop when Win 11 is on more than 50% of pc and after releasing a major service pack or something enabling most pc to upgrade without the hardware requirements.
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post Oct 30 2021, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 30 2021, 07:34 AM)
I don’t think they will stop so soon as majority of people are still on Win 10 and most are still using pc that is technically not supporting Win 11.

They will probably only stop when Win 11 is on more than 50% of pc and after releasing a major service pack or something enabling most pc to upgrade without the hardware requirements.
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The end date is already known.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro
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Microsoft will continue to support at least one Windows 10 Semi-Annual Channel until October 14, 2025.

4 years should be enough time to save up for a new computer.
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post Oct 30 2021, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 30 2021, 07:34 AM)
They will probably only stop when Win 11 is on more than 50% of pc and after releasing a major service pack or something enabling most pc to upgrade without the hardware requirements.
Nope. Windows 11 requirement for newer processors & TPM is necessary
They won't back down from that because secure boot and bitlocker is for the users protection, not for Microsoft own good

If the users refuses to upgrade their hardware, that's their own problem
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post Oct 30 2021, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 30 2021, 12:22 AM)
Is it worth the hassle?

Win 10 seems to be functioning well.
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Well, that question you have to ask yourself before doing so.
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post Oct 31 2021, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 30 2021, 12:22 AM)
Is it worth the hassle?

Win 10 seems to be functioning well.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mRXHLPLrRE

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post Nov 1 2021, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Oct 30 2021, 12:55 AM)
Until it stops. Microsoft will stop providing security updates to Windows 10 soon, same thing that happens to Windows 7 & Windows XP
You don't get security updates anymore and after that all kind of security holes will be found by the hackers trying to hack into your PC and get your online banking details

And if that ever happens, who are you going to blame?

It's inevitable & there's nothing you can do about it. Anti-virus won't solve everything
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Windows 10 will still receive update until 2025 as announced by Microsoft.
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post Nov 1 2021, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Nov 1 2021, 09:20 AM)
Windows 10 will still receive update until 2025 as announced by Microsoft.
Thats what I meant by "Soon"
We are already in the of 2021, that means you have 3 years left to upgrade the hardware
Use that time to save some money to buy a new PC
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post Nov 1 2021, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Nov 1 2021, 11:59 AM)
Thats what I meant by "Soon"
We are already in the of 2021, that means you have 3 years left to upgrade the hardware
Use that time to save some money to buy a new PC
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That why I mean why border about few years later thing, right? As long as we can run smoothly enough until Windows 11 is fully stable then migrate to Windows 11. My main desktop still running on Windows 10.
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post Nov 1 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Nov 1 2021, 01:20 PM)
That why I mean why border about few years later thing, right? As long as we can run smoothly enough until Windows 11 is fully stable then migrate to Windows 11. My main desktop still running on Windows 10.
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Agreed. That’s why I say it’s a hassle to do it now and knowing windows, it is always better to upgrade at least a year or two later where all the bugs are more thrashed out.
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post Nov 1 2021, 02:27 PM

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same here, my laptop with TPM valid, but not for intel 7th gen.

why need intel 7th gen then? was intel 7th and 8th above got difference architecture?
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post Nov 1 2021, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Nov 1 2021, 12:40 PM)
Agreed. That’s why I say it’s a hassle to do it now and knowing windows, it is always better to upgrade at least a year or two later where all the bugs are more thrashed out.
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when win 11 is stable, MS will start preparing for win 12... biggrin.gif
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post Nov 1 2021, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 1 2021, 03:10 PM)
when win 11 is stable, MS will start preparing for win 12...  biggrin.gif
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is this another way of 'forcing' us to change new device?
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post Nov 1 2021, 03:21 PM

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I did an "upgrade" install for 2 laptops (8th gen and 10th gen)

No issues whatsoever, fast, stable
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post Nov 2 2021, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(cawan @ Nov 1 2021, 02:27 PM)
same here, my laptop with TPM valid, but not for intel 7th gen.

why need intel 7th gen then? was intel 7th and 8th above got difference architecture?
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Maybe, or probably another Microsoft and Intel marketing tactics just like when Windows 10 released at first some older system is not compatible too.
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post Nov 3 2021, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(Muusyc @ Nov 2 2021, 01:26 PM)
Maybe, or probably another Microsoft and Intel marketing tactics just like when Windows 10 released at first some older system is not compatible too.
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but gen 7th was not too old right?
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post Nov 3 2021, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 3 2021, 09:13 AM)
but gen 7th was not too old right?
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it has nothing to do with age. microsoft think it's less stable and more prone to security issue. besides that, it's been a while M$ force everyone to buy new hardware yawn.gif . i think the last was win98 > winXP era.

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Devices that do not meet the minimum system requirements had 52% more kernel mode crashes. Devices that do meet the minimum system requirements had a 99.8% crash free experience.

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post Nov 3 2021, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 3 2021, 09:13 AM)
but gen 7th was not too old right?
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You think these businessman cares? It's business marketing strategy.
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post Nov 6 2021, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 3 2021, 09:13 AM)
but gen 7th was not too old right?
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It is release 6 years ago, not so new anymore.

Main reason Microsoft choose generation is to ensure that TPM 2.0 is confirm there. Gen 7 had possibility MB for them not came with TPM 2.0

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post Nov 6 2021, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Nov 6 2021, 04:51 PM)
It is release 6 years ago, not so new anymore.

Main reason Microsoft choose generation is to ensure that TPM 2.0 is confirm there. Gen 7 had possibility MB for them not came with TPM 2.0
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I bought my device in the end of 2017, it's coming with TPM 2.0 too....

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post Nov 6 2021, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Nov 6 2021, 04:51 PM)
It is release 6 years ago, not so new anymore.

Main reason Microsoft choose generation is to ensure that TPM 2.0 is confirm there. Gen 7 had possibility MB for them not came with TPM 2.0
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Tpm is just one of factors anyway

Microsoft choose at least 8th gen is because guaranteed performance and stability with DCH drivers support, enough performance for security core like HVCI (core isolation / memory integrity)

And OEMs only still support most pc-s after 8th gen in terms of firmware and driver support

6th and 7th gen mostly already dropped support from OEMs so DCH drivers mostly not available for them by OEMs, and both of them while possible to run HVCI core isolation / memory integrity, Microsoft thinks performance penalties just too much for them because lack of newer specific processors instructions

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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 6 2021, 06:08 PM)
I bought my device in the end of 2017, it's coming with TPM 2.0 too....
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Not all, but Gen 8 is much guarantee. Anyway you can bypass it easily, I run in my Gen 6 Laptop and perfectly no issue.

QUOTE(MyProLife @ Nov 6 2021, 08:35 PM)
Tpm is just one of factors anyway

Microsoft choose at least 8th gen is because guaranteed performance and stability with DCH drivers support, enough performance for security core like HVCI (core isolation / memory integrity)

And OEMs only still support most pc-s after 8th gen in terms of firmware and driver support

6th and 7th gen mostly already dropped support from OEMs so DCH drivers mostly not available for them by OEMs, and both of them while possible to run HVCI core isolation / memory integrity, Microsoft thinks performance penalties just too much for them because lack of newer specific processors instructions
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That is one of the reason also, but mainly TPM 2.0 is confirmed there for Gen 8 and above.

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post Nov 6 2021, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Nov 6 2021, 09:56 PM)
Not all, but Gen 8 is much guarantee. Anyway you can bypass it easily, I run in my Gen 6 Laptop and perfectly no issue.
That is one of the reason also, but mainly TPM 2.0 is confirmed there for Gen 8 and above.
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My laptop with 6th gen actually comes with TPM2.0 build into chipset Intel ME function

But still not pass the check just because of processor generation

(Anyway I can use registry key to bypass that and upgrade to win11 anyway)
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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Oct 27 2021, 10:14 AM)
just ran a test on my laptop and found incompatible just because I have gen 7 processor, everything else are meeting the requirement...

www.quora.com/Why-are-7th-generation-Intel-CPUs-not-compatible-to-Windows-11-What-feature-do-they-lack
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While it is true that 7th gen CPUs will not be supported for Windows 11, you can still force an upgrade with an ISO, and despite what Microsoft is saying about unsupported PCs will not get updates, that one has been debunked because there are plenty of reports that Microsoft is still providing updates to unsupported PCs icon_idea.gif

The reason why they are 'unsupported' is because of Microsoft's DCH driver requirements needed for stability and performance icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Nov 3 2021, 12:29 PM)
it has nothing to do with age. microsoft think it's less stable and more prone to security issue. besides that, it's been a while M$ force everyone to buy new hardware  yawn.gif . i think the last was win98 > winXP era.

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Devices that do not meet the minimum system requirements had 52% more kernel mode crashes. Devices that do meet the minimum system requirements had a 99.8% crash free experience.
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Technically you don't even need new hardware, all you need is the installation media and force an upgrade tongue.gif

https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-11-u...unsupported-pcs

In typical Microsoft fashion, their 'requirements' are never enforced at all (remember Windows 10 upgrade 'deadline' a few years back?) icon_idea.gif
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post Nov 15 2021, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Oct 27 2021, 10:14 AM)
just ran a test on my laptop and found incompatible just because I have gen 7 processor, everything else are meeting the requirement...

www.quora.com/Why-are-7th-generation-Intel-CPUs-not-compatible-to-Windows-11-What-feature-do-they-lack
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Same here, it rejected my Gen 6th i7. sad.gif
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post Nov 15 2021, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ Nov 15 2021, 12:18 PM)
Same here, it rejected my Gen 6th i7.  sad.gif
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MS is trying to remind you... it is time to spend money...
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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 15 2021, 03:57 PM)
MS is trying to remind you... it is time to spend money...
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Yes.. But does not make sense to get a system replacement for a totally fine 5 years old system... just because of Win11 right?

Also I worry various app issue or classic games might have issue with Win11
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post Nov 17 2021, 02:02 PM

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Next, Windows 12 will required processor with TPM 3.0 in the future. That's how they do their businesses from now on. It's a conspiracy.
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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 30 2021, 12:22 AM)
Is it worth the hassle?

Win 10 seems to be functioning well.
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post Nov 22 2021, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(chowchin @ Nov 22 2021, 03:56 PM)
yes boss
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could you justify further?
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post Nov 26 2021, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 15 2021, 03:57 PM)
MS is trying to remind you... it is time to spend money...
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Be smart.


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post Dec 3 2021, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(chanhin @ Nov 16 2021, 04:40 PM)
Yes.. But does not make sense to get a system replacement for a totally fine 5 years old system... just because of Win11 right?

Also I worry various app issue or classic games might have issue with Win11
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Android give 3 years support after release, no one complain but windows give extra 5 years support after announce end of life, kpkb
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QUOTE(chanhin @ Nov 16 2021, 04:40 PM)
Yes.. But does not make sense to get a system replacement for a totally fine 5 years old system... just because of Win11 right?

Also I worry various app issue or classic games might have issue with Win11
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just upgraded to Win11 last night, no issue so far but liking the new UI. tested command & conquer tiberian sun with
no issue either. definitely will upgrade wifey laptop later today.
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QUOTE(fanlou @ Dec 3 2021, 10:00 AM)
just upgraded to Win11 last night, no issue so far but liking the new UI. tested command & conquer tiberian sun with
no issue either. definitely will upgrade wifey laptop later today.
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what's your processor?
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QUOTE(xSean @ Dec 3 2021, 08:29 AM)
Android give 3 years support after release, no one complain but windows give extra 5 years support after announce end of life, kpkb
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if you bought a phone that has popular aftermarket firmware support, you don't have to worry about outdated OS.
For PC, there's always variety if linux flavor.

If you're gamer, just stick to Windows 10, as long as you still can obtain windows 10 driver for your system.

Windows 11 is the modern version of Windows ME, Windows 8, you name it, there will be a 11.1, 11.11, ect, lol, and Windows 12, aso
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QUOTE(chanhin @ Dec 5 2021, 01:44 AM)
what's your processor?
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i5 10400f
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QUOTE(fanlou @ Dec 6 2021, 02:07 PM)
i5 10400f
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This one sure supported... tongue.gif

 

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