QUOTE(Muusyc @ Nov 2 2021, 01:26 PM)
Maybe, or probably another Microsoft and Intel marketing tactics just like when Windows 10 released at first some older system is not compatible too.
but gen 7th was not too old right?W11 do not support most of the intel gen 7 procs
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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 3 2021, 09:13 AM) it has nothing to do with age. microsoft think it's less stable and more prone to security issue. besides that, it's been a while M$ force everyone to buy new hardware . i think the last was win98 > winXP era.sos Devices that do not meet the minimum system requirements had 52% more kernel mode crashes. Devices that do meet the minimum system requirements had a 99.8% crash free experience. This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Nov 3 2021, 12:31 PM |
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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 3 2021, 09:13 AM) It is release 6 years ago, not so new anymore.Main reason Microsoft choose generation is to ensure that TPM 2.0 is confirm there. Gen 7 had possibility MB for them not came with TPM 2.0 This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Nov 6 2021, 04:53 PM |
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Nov 6 2021, 04:51 PM) It is release 6 years ago, not so new anymore. Tpm is just one of factors anywayMain reason Microsoft choose generation is to ensure that TPM 2.0 is confirm there. Gen 7 had possibility MB for them not came with TPM 2.0 Microsoft choose at least 8th gen is because guaranteed performance and stability with DCH drivers support, enough performance for security core like HVCI (core isolation / memory integrity) And OEMs only still support most pc-s after 8th gen in terms of firmware and driver support 6th and 7th gen mostly already dropped support from OEMs so DCH drivers mostly not available for them by OEMs, and both of them while possible to run HVCI core isolation / memory integrity, Microsoft thinks performance penalties just too much for them because lack of newer specific processors instructions This post has been edited by MyProLife: Nov 6 2021, 08:40 PM |
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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 6 2021, 06:08 PM) Not all, but Gen 8 is much guarantee. Anyway you can bypass it easily, I run in my Gen 6 Laptop and perfectly no issue.QUOTE(MyProLife @ Nov 6 2021, 08:35 PM) Tpm is just one of factors anyway That is one of the reason also, but mainly TPM 2.0 is confirmed there for Gen 8 and above.Microsoft choose at least 8th gen is because guaranteed performance and stability with DCH drivers support, enough performance for security core like HVCI (core isolation / memory integrity) And OEMs only still support most pc-s after 8th gen in terms of firmware and driver support 6th and 7th gen mostly already dropped support from OEMs so DCH drivers mostly not available for them by OEMs, and both of them while possible to run HVCI core isolation / memory integrity, Microsoft thinks performance penalties just too much for them because lack of newer specific processors instructions This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Nov 6 2021, 09:57 PM |
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Nov 6 2021, 09:56 PM) Not all, but Gen 8 is much guarantee. Anyway you can bypass it easily, I run in my Gen 6 Laptop and perfectly no issue. My laptop with 6th gen actually comes with TPM2.0 build into chipset Intel ME functionThat is one of the reason also, but mainly TPM 2.0 is confirmed there for Gen 8 and above. But still not pass the check just because of processor generation (Anyway I can use registry key to bypass that and upgrade to win11 anyway) |
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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Oct 27 2021, 10:14 AM) just ran a test on my laptop and found incompatible just because I have gen 7 processor, everything else are meeting the requirement... While it is true that 7th gen CPUs will not be supported for Windows 11, you can still force an upgrade with an ISO, and despite what Microsoft is saying about unsupported PCs will not get updates, that one has been debunked because there are plenty of reports that Microsoft is still providing updates to unsupported PCs www.quora.com/Why-are-7th-generation-Intel-CPUs-not-compatible-to-Windows-11-What-feature-do-they-lack The reason why they are 'unsupported' is because of Microsoft's DCH driver requirements needed for stability and performance |
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Nov 3 2021, 12:29 PM) it has nothing to do with age. microsoft think it's less stable and more prone to security issue. besides that, it's been a while M$ force everyone to buy new hardware . i think the last was win98 > winXP era. Technically you don't even need new hardware, all you need is the installation media and force an upgrade sos Devices that do not meet the minimum system requirements had 52% more kernel mode crashes. Devices that do meet the minimum system requirements had a 99.8% crash free experience. https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-11-u...unsupported-pcs In typical Microsoft fashion, their 'requirements' are never enforced at all (remember Windows 10 upgrade 'deadline' a few years back?) |
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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Oct 27 2021, 10:14 AM) just ran a test on my laptop and found incompatible just because I have gen 7 processor, everything else are meeting the requirement... Same here, it rejected my Gen 6th i7. www.quora.com/Why-are-7th-generation-Intel-CPUs-not-compatible-to-Windows-11-What-feature-do-they-lack |
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QUOTE(Perspective2021 @ Nov 15 2021, 03:57 PM) Yes.. But does not make sense to get a system replacement for a totally fine 5 years old system... just because of Win11 right?Also I worry various app issue or classic games might have issue with Win11 |
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Next, Windows 12 will required processor with TPM 3.0 in the future. That's how they do their businesses from now on. It's a conspiracy.
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QUOTE(chanhin @ Nov 16 2021, 04:40 PM) Yes.. But does not make sense to get a system replacement for a totally fine 5 years old system... just because of Win11 right? Android give 3 years support after release, no one complain but windows give extra 5 years support after announce end of life, kpkbAlso I worry various app issue or classic games might have issue with Win11 |
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QUOTE(chanhin @ Nov 16 2021, 04:40 PM) Yes.. But does not make sense to get a system replacement for a totally fine 5 years old system... just because of Win11 right? just upgraded to Win11 last night, no issue so far but liking the new UI. tested command & conquer tiberian sun with Also I worry various app issue or classic games might have issue with Win11 no issue either. definitely will upgrade wifey laptop later today. |
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