QUOTE(ukapaka @ Oct 24 2021, 06:14 PM)
How can a 14 years old boy (according to wikipedia) of either Malaccan or Sumatran origin converts a region. Didn't you find it weird. Even if Malays has some similarity with the phils, the culture was so different it's almost illogical for an outsider to be able to do that. Also let say Enrique stayed quite a while in Spain and he was in his early 30s when he complete the journey, which is probably a much suitable age if we assume he was a preacher. That's like what, almost 20 years is Magellan's care. He would be a true blue Spaniard by then. I dont think he even remember or associate himself with anything with this region by then. Sama macam you guys la once duduk bidenland musti mau jadi bidenman punya. So it become less and less logical if you think about it.
So i would say your finding is probably plausible in some parts and horseshit in other parts. Maybe if you can include any citation from phils that can give support the findings it will be more believable. Sakian.
u need to know that when the ship arrived at the shore of philipines, never did magellan thought in his mind that they have circled the globe, u know why? because magellan did not speak any malay, and the locals that they first came around were speaking in a language that Enrique could understand, which is Malay language. It became a basis to be the first man since Enrique is the one that set foot on the shore.
So why did I say Enqirue proselytize the Philippines? because he became the translator for Magellan, and Magellan is doing missionary work. Without Enrique, Magellan will never knew that the ship has already circled the globe, in fact Magellan will be killed much earlier when they reach the shore. Without Enrique also, Magellan can never do missionary work because there are no translator. And hell, Magellan even called the phils as 'Moro', which refers to the Spanish Muslim, simply because he didnot know that they were Malay (this is also why southern phils are called Bangsamoro)
On the Spaniard thing that u say, no, record on Enrique came from two sources which are Magellan himself, and his aid (or someone else on the ship). Magellan wrote positive things about Enrique, and that he thought Enrique as his adopted son, and even brought Enrique to be baptised in Italy (I couldnt remember whether they met the pope or not, but theres record that said Magellan met the pope in Vatican and Enqirue might be there). His aid on the other hand wrote negatively about Enrique, and he treat him badly. Scholars argue that the aid is actually abusing Enqirue and treated him like a slave (hence the name Enrique, or black man). Thus scholars argue that while Magellan treat Enrique nicely, Enrique went away the day Magellan got killed because he despise them. The official western record about Enrique ends there, which is followed by local record showing that Enrique might have arrived in port in Sumatra or Melaka. Nobody wants to stay in Bidenland if they were treated like shit, similarly deswai u see people migrating out of Malaysia sometime return back because the racism in angmoh country is shittier. Similarly Enrique hate Magellan because he's treated like a slave.
No citation from phils, as i mentioned earlier, research i done long time ago, and not a core subject also.
Anyway as u have mentioned phils, u need to know that the phils, like how malay muslim is having love-hate relationship with their hindhu-buddhist and liberal past, the phils too is having love-hate relationship with western colonialism+catholic religion+muslim. Thats why phils in Singapore want to write their race as Malay, and this belongs to far longer thread
Oct 24 2021, 03:56 PM
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