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post Oct 17 2021, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(KrankZ @ Oct 17 2021, 01:27 PM)
means vaccine is totally scam?
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Not scam but just end results is not everyone hoped for after a billion of jabs going around doh.gif

QUOTE(Fanvil1534 @ Oct 17 2021, 02:46 PM)
If it's for health reasons, the most logical thing is to get tested for the antibodies so we know the vaccines are doing its job and we know we're "protected".

The way KJ is governing up to a point where the most important thing in the world is to get the Covid19 jab but ignore all other concerns and criticisms is a huge red flag.
What is his real agenda for pushing the Covid19 vaccine from a certain angle?
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The real agenda is to usurp more power so incoming GE and to lined his pockets as well doh.gif
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post Oct 17 2021, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(KrankZ @ Oct 17 2021, 03:17 PM)
lol kickback?
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War chest for incoming elections otherwise why are parents so stupid paying rm500 for jabs for their kids doh.gif
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post Oct 17 2021, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Oct 17 2021, 03:43 PM)
Not a scam la.

Just haven't reached finish line. biggrin.gif
Which is why the end results not what’s hoped for doh.gif

QUOTE(Lucas0323 @ Oct 17 2021, 04:21 PM)
Tell me u eat no medicine at all. Is just business after all to make money.
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Especially when it is govt funded it is the best business to make more money doh.gif

QUOTE(dayojah @ Oct 17 2021, 06:07 PM)
No vaccine has ever been 100% at generating immune response. If its actually 99%, the virus is going to struggle to find the remaining 1%
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How about polio’s or malaria vaccine as it has been proven to be 100% effective to eliminate? doh.gif

Anything with 90% and above will be consider the gold standard for vaccines will be on course of elimination on your body doh.gif
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post Oct 21 2021, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Oct 21 2021, 05:23 PM)
lucky we got AZ
and there is a reason why he is so darn rich
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Jus wait the anti vax group will piled on the conspiracy theory that the virus was created by Bill Gates doh.gif
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post Oct 25 2021, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Avex @ Oct 25 2021, 11:35 AM)
patents is the key to being rich
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Not the patent but the underlying technology’s licensing is the key to being passively income for life doh.gif
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post Oct 26 2021, 11:55 PM

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Under KJ smart to play with clinical trial after a 14 yr old death 🤦‍♀️
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post Oct 27 2021, 03:22 AM

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QUOTE(LordPennDragon @ Oct 27 2021, 01:51 AM)
why no pfizer? Sino gagal
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No need Pfizer studies as once FDA approved the same data being used to get approval while Simon no data yet because CCP only just started to give to 3 to 11 years old
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post Oct 28 2021, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(Fanvil1534 @ Oct 28 2021, 10:13 AM)
Isn't it suspicious that when vaccination started, the daily new Covid cases increases and the death due to Covid increases in many countries?
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Coupled with reopening and new variant mutation again doh.gif

QUOTE(Tanso @ Oct 28 2021, 05:31 PM)
There are too many such false claims when the competition got heated up.  Everyone is claiming they are the experts and some to be the original inventor or the creator.  I learn it is good always to countercheck their claims before believing it.  Trust only information from reliable sources and not from YouTubers which usually full of craps and false claims because anyone can be a YouTuber.
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That is why social media has to be shut down and reformatted again

Facebook is worse than youtube in spreading fake news doh.gif
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post Oct 28 2021, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Oct 28 2021, 09:08 AM)
Is human natural characteristic, selfish and greed. Sharing the recipe and technique to work together to create more efficient vaccine would be way much better. Politicians and businessmen always have their own agenda. Is human natural characteristic.

Worldwide total lockdown for 2 months without any activities outside their home will have enough time to cut off the spread of this virus. Because of those less than 5% of the populations, now over 95% population suffering from the pandemic for nearly 2 years.
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Don’t blame 5% please but blame China for not disclosing it is airborne in the 1st place during Oct 2019 doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2021, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Oct 28 2021, 07:24 PM)
dont be silly, what covid in oct 2019? covid was only identified in jan 2020 which were traced to first victim in dec 2019, then classed only as airborne by WHO in early 2020. easy for us to now point fingers but how do you prepare for something you dont know what it is in first place?

you want more irony? other countries had 3 months in advance to prepare for the possible spread when China was struggling but instead they chose to ridicule China instead of taking precautions. then see what happened next?
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Look at China’s now and you can see why it silently spreading since Oct 2019 as you can see ppl were sick in the hospital just that didn’t disclose by CCP doh.gif

And still you believe WHO when they themselves don’t have the actual even though after investigative studies doh.gif

1st patient yet they still can’t trace patient zero you must be dreaming just like sars and mers when the backdelay by 3 months doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2021, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(30624770 @ Oct 29 2021, 06:55 AM)
You watched too many Holllywood movies and think its so easy to find patient zero or even which animals is the cause. SARS took 14 years to determine it was transferred to humans via civet cats and until today we do not know how ebola started.

A lot of people judge base on what is happening today instead of back in end 2019 or even early 2020. If anyone in 2019 asked countries to take precaution on a worldwide pandemic, he will probably be sent to Tanjung Rambutan.

As for China cases, you can choose to not believe that they are having really low cases but do you really think they can hide if thousands of people are sick or dying?  doh.gif
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You are still day dreaming as you can see now how infected China with its zero covid cases doh.gif

The world already lost its chance when WHO was denied to go into China to investigate and gather more scientific data on how it started which is now is the peak of it doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2021, 07:12 AM

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QUOTE(KopiChia @ Oct 29 2021, 06:01 AM)
I thought young women shouldn't jab AZ. But then my area got few girls given AZ too.
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No such thing as thanks useless DG and its guidance on AZ doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2021, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(Fanvil1534 @ Oct 29 2021, 01:43 AM)
Dajjal's logic:

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https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...r-hisham-298290

"We can't use Ivermectin to treat Covid19 because not enough data"

but..

"we will vaccinate kids to test how safe it is because we don't have enough data"
Logic 404.
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Thank to useless DG when there is data for Ivermectin effectiveness doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2021, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Oct 29 2021, 08:12 AM)
How infected is China today? You think with technology today, China can hide their figures of people dying and hospitalised?

Who was not denied to go into China. Their people was already in China way back in May or June 2019. Official wrap up of their investigation only starts in November 2019 and the report came out in Jan 2020. This type of investigation takes time and not like an episode of CSI where cases are solved within a day. Collecting information has started way in early 2019 and by November 2019, they only starts looking at everything. You are clearly reading from western press. The January report by Who states that it did not totally discount lab leak, the likelyhood is very low. The report said the likelyhood that it originated from bats in Southern China or its surrounding areas are more likely.

What China refused is second investigation solely looking into lab leak theory because of pressure from Americans. Heck, Americans could not find anything to accuse China despite Biden ordering their intelligence agencies to investigate.
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Your timeline is way out if it that the case during 2019 we would haven’t been in the 1st place doh.gif

You still believe CCP as they still haven’t provide the medical records of the patients affected during Oct 2019 hence already lost the chance doh.gif

If CCP got nothing to hide why they don’t have the balls to let independent team to go intonations the lab for verification doh.gif

We all know that CCP screwed up big time and now with great the firewalls you think they are able to hide they have censored everything through technology so you are just dreaming doh.gif
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QUOTE(lawrencesha @ Oct 29 2021, 11:58 AM)
My friend's brother is a collector. He got his 2 dose Sinovac while working in Cambodia. Came back and got 2 dose of pfizer in KL, now back to London and got his 2 dose of AZ.

He is still alive.
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Good scientific study with mix and match doh.gif

QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 29 2021, 04:08 PM)
NO. KKM said it is safe. No vaccine cannot enter supermarket, cannot vacation.
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Rubbish as no law even act 342 says that no vaccine no supermarket and no vacation allowed doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2021, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Oct 29 2021, 04:03 PM)
Your understanding of timeline is based on what we know today.

China only know about unknown pneumonia cases in the last 2 weeks of December and by 31 December they discovered that its a new virus and shared to WHO which means to the world.

The first 2 weeks of Jan 2020, there were a lot of unknowns. There were more cases coming in but they were not sure how it was being transmitted yet. That was why WHO sent out the controversial tweet on 14 Jan about no evidence of human to human transmission yet but now everyone accusing WHO of lying for China. The fact is it was only 2 weeks since the discovery of the new virus and nobody know for sure how it is spreading yet.

By the 3rd week of Jan 2020, China got evidence that it is spread from human to human via airborne. That is why WHO informed the world but nobody take it seriously except a few countries that suffered SARS before such as HK and Taiwan. By the 3rd week of Jan 2020, China already lockdown Wuhan and later the whole province and the country. However, it was too late as Jan is near to CNY and most people in mainland has already balik kampung or go on vacation. A lot of foreigners who work or has biz in China also will go back to their home country during this period due to the long CNY holidays.

As for the earliest confirmed records of patient in China, nobody know for sure as nobody know about Covid before end of Dec 2020. However, using methods from conservation science, analysis suggests that Covid probably arose between early October and mid-November, 2019 in Europe and China. How did this conclusion comes about?

The WHO team assessed medical records from more than 230 clinics across Hubei, the province where Wuhan is located to look for clues. More than 90 patients in the province were hospitalized with pneumonia or coronavirus-like symptoms in October and November 2019. China own investigation confirmed that the first case in China is probably on 17 November 2019 but you must remember that they only discover this through back testing as the disease was unknown at that time.

A study from Milan's National Cancer Institute also found that four of Italy's coronavirus cases dated back to October 2019. Italy recorded its first official coronavirus case in Lombardy on February 21, 2020. Yet a recent study found coronavirus antibodies in blood samples collected from 23 Italians in September 2019 and 27 in October 2019. Italian researchers also found the coronavirus' genetic material in sewage samples from Milan and Turin dating back to December 18, 2019. In May 2020, doctors at a Paris hospital discovered that patients they'd treated for pneumonia on December 27, 2019, had been sick with COVID-19. however, France didn't record its first official case until January 24.

Research in the US, too, offers evidence that the virus had gone global before humanity even knew it existed. The US recorded its first coronavirus case on January 20, 2020. But according to one study, the virus had reached the Pacific Northwest at least a month earlier. Blood samples collected by the American Red Cross in nine states, including California, Oregon, and Washington, showed that some Americans had coronavirus antibodies as early as December 13, 2019.

So where did you get the info that China still haven’t provide the medical records of the patients affected during Oct 2019 hence already lost the chance?  confused.gif
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Only interview allowed but CCP provide the bloodwork in the 1st place doh.gif
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Oct 29 2021, 04:56 PM)
Bloodwork? Please lar. You don't even read what was the criticism from the western press. It was China refusal to share the raw data about the suspected patients and nothing is mentioned about blood because nobody takes blood if people go to see doctor for flu only.

Next time read the WHO report before commenting.
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The raw is medical data which includes bloodwork, X-ray scan etc doh.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 29 2021, 05:39 PM)
Huh...

Sinovac to Pfizer...
Should be non issues...  Everyone knows they won't last long... Maximum 3 to 4 months...

But Pfizer to AZ.. that one really taking risk especially below 6month period....

Lucky nothing happen....
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As long as it is within 9 weeks shouldn’t be any risk because of waning antibodies

QUOTE(Rudd @ Oct 29 2021, 06:53 PM)
can add J&J and Cansino to his collection
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Don’t forget Sinopharm, Novavax and Moderna as well into his collection rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 29 2021, 08:07 PM)
.9weeks??

Not 3month huh 😬
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Already change some countries due to worrying transmission
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post Oct 29 2021, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Oct 29 2021, 09:29 PM)
Airborne is only on Delta variant. Do you read the WHO report?
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Airborne already was happening since D614G just that no acknowledgement until more data comes in doh.gif

So don’t blame airborne spread for only Delta strain when any respiratory disease are airborne including common flu just then like the great pandemic since 1917 doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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