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post Oct 29 2021, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(lawrencesha @ Oct 29 2021, 11:58 AM)
My friend's brother is a collector. He got his 2 dose Sinovac while working in Cambodia. Came back and got 2 dose of pfizer in KL, now back to London and got his 2 dose of AZ.

He is still alive.
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Good scientific study with mix and match doh.gif

QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 29 2021, 04:08 PM)
NO. KKM said it is safe. No vaccine cannot enter supermarket, cannot vacation.
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Rubbish as no law even act 342 says that no vaccine no supermarket and no vacation allowed doh.gif
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post Oct 29 2021, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Oct 29 2021, 04:03 PM)
Your understanding of timeline is based on what we know today.

China only know about unknown pneumonia cases in the last 2 weeks of December and by 31 December they discovered that its a new virus and shared to WHO which means to the world.

The first 2 weeks of Jan 2020, there were a lot of unknowns. There were more cases coming in but they were not sure how it was being transmitted yet. That was why WHO sent out the controversial tweet on 14 Jan about no evidence of human to human transmission yet but now everyone accusing WHO of lying for China. The fact is it was only 2 weeks since the discovery of the new virus and nobody know for sure how it is spreading yet.

By the 3rd week of Jan 2020, China got evidence that it is spread from human to human via airborne. That is why WHO informed the world but nobody take it seriously except a few countries that suffered SARS before such as HK and Taiwan. By the 3rd week of Jan 2020, China already lockdown Wuhan and later the whole province and the country. However, it was too late as Jan is near to CNY and most people in mainland has already balik kampung or go on vacation. A lot of foreigners who work or has biz in China also will go back to their home country during this period due to the long CNY holidays.

As for the earliest confirmed records of patient in China, nobody know for sure as nobody know about Covid before end of Dec 2020. However, using methods from conservation science, analysis suggests that Covid probably arose between early October and mid-November, 2019 in Europe and China. How did this conclusion comes about?

The WHO team assessed medical records from more than 230 clinics across Hubei, the province where Wuhan is located to look for clues. More than 90 patients in the province were hospitalized with pneumonia or coronavirus-like symptoms in October and November 2019. China own investigation confirmed that the first case in China is probably on 17 November 2019 but you must remember that they only discover this through back testing as the disease was unknown at that time.

A study from Milan's National Cancer Institute also found that four of Italy's coronavirus cases dated back to October 2019. Italy recorded its first official coronavirus case in Lombardy on February 21, 2020. Yet a recent study found coronavirus antibodies in blood samples collected from 23 Italians in September 2019 and 27 in October 2019. Italian researchers also found the coronavirus' genetic material in sewage samples from Milan and Turin dating back to December 18, 2019. In May 2020, doctors at a Paris hospital discovered that patients they'd treated for pneumonia on December 27, 2019, had been sick with COVID-19. however, France didn't record its first official case until January 24.

Research in the US, too, offers evidence that the virus had gone global before humanity even knew it existed. The US recorded its first coronavirus case on January 20, 2020. But according to one study, the virus had reached the Pacific Northwest at least a month earlier. Blood samples collected by the American Red Cross in nine states, including California, Oregon, and Washington, showed that some Americans had coronavirus antibodies as early as December 13, 2019.

So where did you get the info that China still haven’t provide the medical records of the patients affected during Oct 2019 hence already lost the chance?  confused.gif
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Only interview allowed but CCP provide the bloodwork in the 1st place doh.gif
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Oct 29 2021, 04:34 PM)
Only interview allowed but CCP provide the bloodwork in the 1st place  doh.gif
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Bloodwork? Please lar. You don't even read what was the criticism from the western press. It was China refusal to share the raw data about the suspected patients and nothing is mentioned about blood because nobody takes blood if people go to see doctor for flu only.

Next time read the WHO report before commenting.


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QUOTE(lawrencesha @ Oct 29 2021, 11:58 AM)
My friend's brother is a collector. He got his 2 dose Sinovac while working in Cambodia. Came back and got 2 dose of pfizer in KL, now back to London and got his 2 dose of AZ.

He is still alive.
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He no collect covid, sadly
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post Oct 29 2021, 05:36 PM

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These blood clots... will cause thrombosis or not if flying??
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QUOTE(lawrencesha @ Oct 29 2021, 04:03 PM)
2-3 months apart from each brand of vaccine.
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Huh...

Sinovac to Pfizer...
Should be non issues... Everyone knows they won't last long... Maximum 3 to 4 months...

But Pfizer to AZ.. that one really taking risk especially below 6month period....

Lucky nothing happen....
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QUOTE(pretty23 @ Oct 28 2021, 08:11 PM)
but now seem can choose vaccine already.
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Good if can choose... Will take Sinovac for pure safety


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oh.. not malaysia. no wonder get blot clot from AZ shot.

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post Oct 29 2021, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(lawrencesha @ Oct 29 2021, 11:58 AM)
My friend's brother is a collector. He got his 2 dose Sinovac while working in Cambodia. Came back and got 2 dose of pfizer in KL, now back to London and got his 2 dose of AZ.

He is still alive.
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can add J&J and Cansino to his collection
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Oct 29 2021, 04:56 PM)
Bloodwork? Please lar. You don't even read what was the criticism from the western press. It was China refusal to share the raw data about the suspected patients and nothing is mentioned about blood because nobody takes blood if people go to see doctor for flu only.

Next time read the WHO report before commenting.
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The raw is medical data which includes bloodwork, X-ray scan etc doh.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 29 2021, 05:39 PM)
Huh...

Sinovac to Pfizer...
Should be non issues...  Everyone knows they won't last long... Maximum 3 to 4 months...

But Pfizer to AZ.. that one really taking risk especially below 6month period....

Lucky nothing happen....
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As long as it is within 9 weeks shouldn’t be any risk because of waning antibodies

QUOTE(Rudd @ Oct 29 2021, 06:53 PM)
can add J&J and Cansino to his collection
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Don’t forget Sinopharm, Novavax and Moderna as well into his collection rclxms.gif
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post Oct 29 2021, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(iGamer @ Oct 29 2021, 09:25 AM)
I think I started getting minor headache at a specific part after AZ, could it be minor blood clot? hmm.gif
I'm still getting it weeks after full vaccination....... am I going to die of blood clot?  bye.gif
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Should have gotten sinovac instead, the package comes with mandarin language and then no side effects.

Inb4 coz you kena empty jabbed twice that's why no feel
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Oct 29 2021, 07:00 PM)
As long as it is within 9 weeks shouldn’t be any risk because of waning antibodies
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.9weeks??

Not 3month huh 😬
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Oct 29 2021, 06:57 PM)
The raw is medical data which includes bloodwork, X-ray scan  etc doh.gif
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If you read the report, you'll know that initially they only provide the summary as there were close to 730,000 people records were investigated. After the western press made a big hoo Haa about it, China provided but it was not reported. If you see what was really mentioned by the WHO investigators, they were quite satisfy with what was provided by China because there can never be complete record. Not all will have bloodwork or even x-ray scans as a lot of people who got covid just had normal flu symptoms. Anyway China also not disputing cases are already circulating earlier in November or October. Heck, their official first case is acknowledged as 17 November. The question being asked is cases were also in Europe and America before their official cases in January 2020. This mean it could be circulating around the world between September and November 2019 but no one discovered it until China had an outbreak.

What China is against is the constant lab leak theory which was already mentioned in the report as unlikely but was constantly brought back by the Americans and the Western press.

People like you just got a biased view of China and everything about China is wrong because they are the big bad boogeyman, right?
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QUOTE(Amuro_Ray @ Oct 29 2021, 05:43 PM)
Good if can choose... Will take Sinovac for pure safety
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not if. Now already can. I think it start when walk in available.

Just go to any PPV that provide the vaccine which you prefer then register as walk in enough.
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QUOTE(xander83 @ Oct 28 2021, 06:53 PM)
Don’t blame 5% please but blame China for not disclosing it is airborne in the 1st place during Oct 2019  doh.gif
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Airborne is only on Delta variant. Do you read the WHO report?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 29 2021, 08:07 PM)
.9weeks??

Not 3month huh 😬
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Already change some countries due to worrying transmission
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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Oct 29 2021, 09:29 PM)
Airborne is only on Delta variant. Do you read the WHO report?
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Airborne already was happening since D614G just that no acknowledgement until more data comes in doh.gif

So don’t blame airborne spread for only Delta strain when any respiratory disease are airborne including common flu just then like the great pandemic since 1917 doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(pretty23 @ Oct 29 2021, 08:42 PM)
not if. Now already can. I think it start when walk in available.

Just go to any PPV that provide the vaccine which you prefer then register as walk in enough.
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No, you can only register as appointment now, walk in are gone and most PPV are closing down.
Also no appointment allowed on MySej, that apps only responsible for notify of second and third dose for now.

For that Sinovac, so far third boost will be Pfizer.
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However, he said Sinovac recipients would be given a Pfizer booster three months after their second dose.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021...oon-says-khairy

So far the opinion on this one is, if only third booster is pfizer for mixing, then acceptable, but how about fourth booster? hmm.gif
Unless you can proof that you can't inject mRNA type, or else you can only reject your third booster... hmm.gif

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