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English Clubs Manchester United Street Talks, 6/11 United vs City 20:30

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post Oct 21 2021, 09:49 AM

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post Oct 21 2021, 12:16 PM

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shaw and AWB macam terbalik form this season... their defending not as solid and attacking.. especially shaw... after euro, he macam lengong lengong saje
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post Oct 21 2021, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(yujirorasy @ Oct 21 2021, 12:26 PM)
awb can beat anyone when he dribble but he needs to use more of his brain. Shaw probably got ptsd lol.
can't blame him when mcsauce and shaw didn't do their job so he needs to rush over to defend😄
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yeah, still i feel awb and greenwood reli doesnt match offensively... when awb dribble, he always attack one dimensionally like valencia... lol.. compared to rashford with shaw combo... when shaw on form... rashford can always interchange easily with shaw to create more options
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post Oct 21 2021, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(IpohGuyz @ Oct 21 2021, 12:43 PM)
Rashford running into space is fantastic
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looking at bruno pass and lindelof pass during the weekend... rashford always ready to beat the line... greenwood dont have such vision... maybe need more experience... after all rashford already been through three diff managers since he made debut
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QUOTE(john_white @ Oct 21 2021, 12:49 PM)
offensive fred is miles better than defensive fred.
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ole wanna chg him into next herrera like how LVG JM chg herrera from CAM to bcum CDM lol
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post Oct 21 2021, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(silvertoes @ Oct 21 2021, 02:49 PM)
Under Bielsa Herrera was a CM, a deeper one.. then under Velverde he was deployed as a CAM..
He said it himself that deeper role CM is his preferred and best position..

Its not that big of conversion for Herrera, it is a big one for Fred.. that is why its not working out good so far
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fred tried to make it up with hard running... but he got bullied often in EPL especially the wolves match... herrera have alot of hidden bully skills that make him quite effective in that role and often able to pocket the deadliest threat easily....
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post Oct 21 2021, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Oct 21 2021, 03:16 PM)
time to start telles again lol
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ronaldo can benefit more from telles crosses... but telles punya defending... hrmmmmm
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post Oct 22 2021, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 22 2021, 12:52 AM)
Deja vu from 2020.

We start with the back 6 with McFred.
We concede first.
Ole is forced to chase the game.
We go for it second half and win after making changes.

Ole talks about starting better but he keeps starting his default team in the first half.
I actually feel that we will get some sort of a result against Liverpool.
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counter attacking all the way.... with rashford is back... he can use his favourite tactics... lol... too bad we dont have varane for this match sad.gif sad.gif
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post Oct 22 2021, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 22 2021, 10:21 AM)
Watch back the previous match, i felt Greenwood cannot start in future match, i feel he doesn't have the impact on the RW, he macam lost in the match against Atalanta.

McTom is the another one perform badly, not much contribution in term of pressure, tackle and passing.

The 2 substitution of Greenwood and McTom pin point the problem. But i think Ole need to change the midfield combination, break up McFred, maybe put Fred and Matic/VDB/Pogba to test out.

Cavani have the understanding with Ronaldo after he step into the pitch, i don't see that with Ronaldo and Greenwood/Rashford. When Cavani on centre, Ronaldo appear in LW.
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we can play 5-3-2 also, ronaldo/greenwood or cavani/rashford... we have so many options with our strikers but every match use same formation of 4-3-3... apa menda ni ole.... and alot of times we actually playing quite well with 3 CBs... the wingback can attack however they like... shaw also quite used to being the left CB in a back 3... telles can come in and cross as much as he like... lol

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post Oct 22 2021, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 22 2021, 10:24 AM)
Not the formation per se but the individual instructions.
Like last season, both midfielders were told to sit starting the game. When we were chasing the game, either one of them will get the freedom to break forward while the other covers to take more risk in attacking.

The individual instructions when starting the game is like wearing a straightjacket and it isn't working. We keep conceding.
But Ole clearly sees something he likes because he keeps going back to it.
That's probably what we do best. Defend deep and rely on #DaveSaves to keep us in the game.
Then counter and try to get a goal.

Which is why I think we will have a decent run in the next few difficult games. Not win them all but get enough points off them so Ole is safe.
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actually this season... we are actually more risk taking with the addtion of varane... can see that we left the back emptier compared to last season... but thats also the reason we keep concede like no tomorrow... lol... the team still not used to play openly... especially when varane injured... lindelof is all over the place... not to mention the unfit maguire is there
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post Oct 22 2021, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Oct 22 2021, 10:33 AM)
Against Pool 5-3-2 might be workable, i'm more worry of Maguire and Shaw marking Salah. sweat.gif
It has proven Ronaldo-Cavani is workable but probably not in Liverpool match. Somehow i feel both of them has the synergy. It is like Bruno-Ronaldo.

Ya, the back 3 formations last year Ole use on early season of 2020/2021 and we lost badly, if not mistaken that Tottenham match, after that he switch back to 4-2-3-1.
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well we had psg match and other big matches where we shine with 3 at the back... but yea, after the spurs match... we never see the light of the 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 anymore... now left only 4-2-3-1 all the way until today... babi betul... its already proven this formation is not working consistently but still so stubborn... lol
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post Oct 22 2021, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 22 2021, 10:38 AM)
That's probably the keyword, try to play more openly.
The midfield deficit is there. We start bright but gradually we lose the midfield battle. As more opposition attacks go through the midfield, our defensive line sinks so we end up deep with the gap forming between the defence and attack again. I think Lindelof has been fine so far. Maguire really needs to do better.
Maguire usually doesn't mark, he prefers to be the free man. #beckenbauer

Maybe nightmares of the back 3 formation really means Ole has sworn off it forever.
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yea, the problem is mcfred does not suit for an open game... lol... they both are the same type of CM... we reli need a kante to stabilize the midfield and also to replace matic... fred mctom pogba vdb shud just play box to box on rotation basis... heck i think we need to offload some CM after we signed a new CDM.. lol...

maguire always tot he has very good dribbling skill and passing stats... but....... reality always shown him otherwise
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 22 2021, 12:25 PM)
Wanted to reply to you yesterday but forgot as I thought the Herrera referrence was timely.

Herrera didn't change to become a CDM per se, he was always a box to box. What happened was he was sometimes deployed as a man marker on the opposition's best attacker which gave the sense that he was performing a CDM role.
Think back to Mou's time when he put Herrera to man mark prime Hazard. He literally marked Hazard out of the game, rumours say Hazard is still checking under his bed for Herrera. Herrera always had very good technical and positioning skills so it was easier for him. He is also quite pressure resistant.

Talking about being press resistent and Fred. If Fred plays,  the most interesting point of the game would be how Fred copes against the strongest press in the League, Liverpool.
We really don't want to lose the ball to Liverpool in that position.
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based on past games with liverpool, most probably he din even have chance to keep the ball and make a proper forward pass tongue.gif tongue.gif bruno will be stuck at own half with us and hoping to lob some long balls to the forwards and let them do the magic
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post Oct 26 2021, 09:27 AM

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#oleout dulu... this match already make me putus tali dgn ole dah... dont care sape masuk... janji know how to use ronaldo varane vdb pogba and bruno efficiently... ole now is so fear of losing his job... he everyday play the same formation and hope for the best lol
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post Oct 26 2021, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 26 2021, 09:45 AM)
Personally I am against an interim manager. Its either get a permanent one in or just stick with Ole until end of the season.

The absolute worst would be an interim manager who is an ex United player. That rocks the boat by changing the manager and yet solves nothing. Ole's problem is not personality which is easily fixed by bringing in a club legend like the Mou situation. It is tactics and top tier coaching. And there are no top tier managers who is a United legend.

Another United legend interim manager would be same sh*t different toilet bowl for me.
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yeah agree... either go for the best available option now... or just suck it up... as we already set a benchmark for this season with ole... worst scenario is we got relegated je... lol... go for interim again will be hell all over again... personally prefer to wait for zidane who always use what options available to him compared to conte who always wholesale change the squad wherever he goes... we cant afford another rebuilding period again lol
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 26 2021, 10:50 AM)
Not saying we have to stick with Ole, but it is one of two options.
If sticking with Ole is too damaging then there is one option left. New permanent manager. I understand the Board has reservations around Conte's style but there is a saying that beggars can't be choosers.

If Conte is the only one interested, give him a two year contract and see what happens.
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at least his 3-5-2 is proven workable... with the players we have... we sure can meet what the formation needs... just that fred and mctom most probably wont survive in this change of formation lol...
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post Oct 26 2021, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Oct 26 2021, 10:47 AM)
hopefully he can leave early. his persistence of fielding greenwood ahead of sancho and not even change formation to fit cavani and cr.  mcfred ahead of vdb and matic? even pogba can do a better job than mcfred. last week i saw scott keep on holding and passing the ball around but he doesnt know who to pass to. so much hesitation like doesnt know what to do with the ball.

if no noise from the media or fans, glazers likely to stick with ole. these americants owners just cant make it.

on whether SAF still backs ole. looking at that headshake in disbelief and him leaving OT before fulltime, i dont think he will still back this guy. hopefully wont see him survive until city game. already have atalanta and spurs game coming. spurs which we lost 6-1 under ole as well whistling.gif the thought of son and kane running through maguire like he wasnt there  tongue.gif

but for conte, who just won with inter and leave because no backing from owners. is similar to jomo. but at least he is not yes man.
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after the 6-1 is the start of our climb to summit and subsequent drop to no.2... lol... can we do the same at least? then kasi change ole out... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif but im very pissed with him now lol
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QUOTE(blueheaven @ Oct 26 2021, 11:11 AM)
Actually, regardless, the board should still speak to conte and discuss his plans. They can easily bring up their concerns about the style not fitting, and conte can explain like why he thinks he can work with the players they have, or if he would  immediately need investment to bring in HIS players.

Thats why i was confused earlier on when they sign OGS on a contract. Like did they sign him just becaus of an uptick of form? I reckon they would have spoken to him, heard about his plan and system before signing him as a main manager.. normal job interview also will ask about plans, takkan million dollar contract no need ask.
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of course he has a plan tongue.gif tongue.gif i also can make a plan that looks workable... but actually not executable... plus he got the legend badge to back him up...

i dont believe he will tell the board he will use 4-2-3-1 every match with essentially the same first 11... as long as they are 'declared' match fit.... LOL... but in truth he is doing all those... things that only relegation club will do... we have one of the most expensive bench in EPL now... and they warm the bench like no tmr biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zhou.xingxing @ Oct 26 2021, 11:31 AM)
this united board obviously not result/goal oriented. how can you extend ole when he still have contract running and when other managers (allegri/ancelotti) is available? clubs shouldnt take on legend without proven records or cv to run the club. cfc done it with lampard failed but cut loss immediately and get tuchel. united done it with ole (haven sack).

clubs that are goal oriented will be cfc, mc and rm under perez.
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sick of kena hentam by jomo and LVG kot... in the end prefer a yes man... but the yes man gg ing now lol... last season 6-1 still can explain due to lack of warm up matches and injuries... this game... only varane is out actually... we are playing our best first 11... also can kena sapu like norwich doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 26 2021, 11:25 AM)
If the Board appoints Xavi and he joins, I will applaud the club. To see positional play principles at United. Yes. But don't think they will be able to pull it off.

Plus, the United Old Boys Club will probably be against it as he isn't "United DNA" and doesn't fit their criteria of what a United manager should be. Neville, Rio and all.
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lol... at least show a concrete plan, change formation sikit or what... its quite obvious 4-2-3-1 our opponent already used to it lol... use it the whole of last season and this season... our opponents aint stupid leh

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