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post Oct 14 2021, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(djandrew @ Oct 14 2021, 11:15 AM)
if normal torrent downloading ok?
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downloading got different actually.
bcoz after the changes, basically the way it goes is u can imagine u no longer connect to internet directly.
rather, it's something like u connect to TM proxy (which share wit other users), then to internet.

if other people sharing the ip do something that makes the ip get banned, every1 in the ip get effected.
also, there's a small latency penalty.
& worst is, TM will hav more control over censorship edi.
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post Oct 14 2021, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(syaigon @ Oct 14 2021, 07:33 PM)
so if you got private ip, everytime you reboot router ip still the same?
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yes.
it's like VPN.
u disconnect & reconnect, VPN assign u a new "local" ip.
but your traffic through public will always be that VPN IP.
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post Oct 14 2021, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Oct 14 2021, 07:35 PM)
hmm, that is a very good question. but what is the point? nobody else can see the ip.
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the point is TM get to jimat public ip, at the same time assert more control over censorship.

if they like, TM can also splice bandwidth as they fit, & provide priority service as they fit.
ie, pipit all group 2gether into a crappy proxy, while helang get priority traffic.
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post Oct 14 2021, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Oct 14 2021, 07:46 PM)
No point from a end-consumer viewpoint. Previously if you have a fixed ip after reboot, then you don't need ddns services. Now even though the private IP is the same, most probably can't get through from the outside.

edit: It will probably be even worse from a privacy standpoint if the private IP stays the same. Makes it even easier to track you.
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i think u misunderstood the definition.
public ip is the ip assigned to u as ur identity on the internet.
got dynamic public ip (which changes when u reboot router),
& static public ip which remains the same even reboot router.

private ip is local ip for local identity.
ie, your router giv u ip192.168.1.2

in tm case, what they wanna do now is, they wanna treat customer as their "local" network.
now, public ip will assigned proxy layer, their proxy layer will assign private IP to u.
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post Oct 14 2021, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Oct 14 2021, 08:30 PM)
You || TM || outside world

I don't think you can "see" the public IP from your router after CGNAT. There's another layer separating you from the outside world. The original question was will the IP between your home network and TM remain the same after your router reboots. Naturally it is impossible for you to reboot the router on TM's side right?
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depending on situation, can b same or different also.
basically u can imagine like this.
u rent a room, the house owner controls the unifi modem & router.
when u plugged your PC in, the router assigned u 192.168.1.100, the next pc get 192.168.1.101, & so on depending in the DHCP pool.

well technically, it's dynamic, but usually if u disconnect & reconnect a while later, u'll b assigned the same IP given your DHCP lease not yet expiry & your previous ip not taken yet.
ip your previously ip taken, u'll b assigned next available slot.
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post Oct 14 2021, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Oct 14 2021, 10:00 PM)
Can also be a fixed IP through some client side ID authentication when we log in. Not sure how they want to do it but it should be trivial now that the IP address pool for these private IPs are essentially free and unlimited for TM to choose from.
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yes, much like u put DHCP reserve on your router.
but, as far as i concern, there's no reason for TM to do so la, bcoz it only add complication wit no benefit for them.
basically they will operate like proxy provider.

actually, maxis fiber that is running on TM fiber has been doing this since the beginning.
u hav to actually call maxis to request for public ip.
from this i can tell u based on experience, the assigned private ip is dynamic.
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post Oct 15 2021, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Oct 14 2021, 09:56 PM)
Some CCTV brands have that. Scan QR code with the app and then can connect back to the recorder that's behind CGNAT. While nothing is recorded on their server, a server on the CCTV provider's end is still needed to initiate the tunnel back to your recorder. Dahua comes to mind. I don't think they charge anything extra for that. Will need to check.
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this type is usually ip cam that comes wit subscriptions.
basically your ip cam feed goes to the cctv service provider server, u stream from their server.
this model not effected.

any traditional cctv/ip cam that requires port forwarding in routing will not work behind CGNAT.
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post Oct 15 2021, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Oct 14 2021, 10:41 PM)
Interesting, TM actually did port forwarding for your CCTV? Did they ask for the ports that you needed?
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everything is traffic direction only.
actually even wit CGNAT, it can work provided:

a) TM reserved your private IP
b) forward the same port traffic to your router.
& yes, TM actually has root access to your router via TR-069
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post Oct 15 2021, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Oct 15 2021, 12:48 AM)
hmm.gif What happens if you use 3rd party router which doesn't have TR-069?
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in such case they dont hav access.
even the provider router, u can turn off TR-069, but provided u need to hav root access to the router.

the "admin" user that that provided is actually 1 step bellow the root or the superuser that the technician use.
this 1 u hav to ask the technician for the login during installation.
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post Oct 15 2021, 02:48 AM

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QUOTE(soonwai @ Oct 15 2021, 01:42 AM)
I dunno man. I'm just assuming bugipunch got his ports forwarded since he said he can access his CCTV but not his the router. But then later he said TM didn't ask for any port info. Maybe all TM did was give him a public IP.
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most likely this is the case.
as maxis has been doing for ages already.
all home maxis fiber goes behind CGNAT by default.
but if u asked, they will happily assign u public ip without asking much.
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post Oct 15 2021, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(bugipunch @ Oct 15 2021, 12:11 PM)
i ask tm for public ip tm say cannot:( Looks like have to get another contract for fiber package. Tm tech said mine is already private ip.
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so fast kena edi?
TM service so cibai?
i suggest u MCMC their ass.
reply to their email say that u hav logged MCMC complain for TM breach of contract & providing favorable service to selective customers.

u know all these while maxis fiber also use CGNAT.
but they will giv u public ip without question if u just ask.
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post Oct 15 2021, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(bugipunch @ Oct 15 2021, 10:58 AM)
no. Asus
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a quick "what's my ipv4" can reveal u're being assigned public or private ip.
private ip range is totally different & ez to spot.
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post Oct 15 2021, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(hjh87 @ Oct 15 2021, 07:41 PM)
Thanks for the explanation regarding the non-cloud cctv.

If you don't mind, can you also share as well what will happen to VPN services. As I'm using it to stream Netflix & Amazon Video, what will happen if it under private IP?
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services should not b effected, but there r consequences in sharing public ip.
maybe 1 idiot user in your pool that shared the same public ip wit u did something stupid & got the public ip banned, then every1 in that pool kena.
but there's little reason for VPN to banned their customer's ip cuz even they know most of their customers uses dynamic ip.
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QUOTE(XxSupaNovaxX @ Oct 15 2021, 08:15 PM)
I dont understand shit
Anyone explain?

What does this mean?
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imagine this.

previously:
u got mobile number. 012-3456789
whenever outside people wan to reach u, call this number sure they know is u gonna pick up, cuz it's your cell.
when u cal out to people, they see this number, they also know is u calling.

now what TM wants to do:
u no longer hav your mobile number.
instead, u share a single company land line wit your colleague.
when u call to outside world, outside people only recognized this number is company A, but doesn't know who exactly is calling.
when outside people wanna call u pulak, will reach company receptionist first, then receptionist divert the call to your extension.
outsite people dunno your extension, only receptionist knows.

TM said browsing service is not effected, same performance.
that's a whole lot of bullshit & big fat lie.
u introduce overhead, delays, a point of failure cuz traffic need to jump through another layer to get to u.

now imagine, company introduce new rule, employee can only make approved work related calls.
u wanted to make a personal call to your wife to check on the kids.
receptionist says, "this number is your spouse's number, not related to work", & drops your call.

go figure.
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post Oct 16 2021, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(XxSupaNovaxX @ Oct 16 2021, 09:35 AM)
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i seee
Thanks
The only explanation i understand

tm intro this, in order to reduce cost? (as per single separate number service each time? idk..just guessing)
as now can charge per bulk
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i'm guessing:

1) they don't wan u to host anything using home package.
cuz hosting & things that require port forward no longer works.

2) they wanna assert more control, easier censorship.

3) they can splice the bandwidth, giving priority traffic to premium customers.

 

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