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Toku
post May 26 2022, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ May 26 2022, 09:55 AM)
Higher Premium? It's a bear market now...

Given the scenario as below.
Assumed my average acquisition price for Company ABC is $100 for 100 shares. Currently the stock is trading at $80.
Instead of earning Premium out of the money, I choose to sell Covered Call at $80 strike price and the stock got called away at the end of the week.
The following week, I start to sell Cash Covered Puts with the strike price of $80 or below and wait the stock to get assigned back to me.

By doing the above (Selling Covered Calls and Cash Covered Puts using the same Strike price) and IF everything went smoothly, It nett off since the stock got called away and reassign back to me at the same strike price, and i keep the high Premiums that from both sales options.

And IF i did not get assigned back after the Covered Calls, then the maximum loss will be ($2000 - the premium i got for both sell options), but i still can continue to sell Cash Covered Puts in hope to get assign back. laugh.gif
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Unless you really hurting for liquidity, else no need to sell at a loss.

If I were you and liquidity is not an issue, to reduce the avg cost of ABC:
I will sell put at say $60 at $0.5 premium and sell call at say $85 at say $0.3 premium.

If both goes thru and expired worthless, I cut down my avg cost of ABC to $99.2

This is provided you have fund to cover for the sell Put. Slowly grind till you recover your loss.
It is painful and slow to do this. I am also doing this to recover. That's why we need to be mindful on our entry price.

This post has been edited by Toku: May 26 2022, 02:10 PM
Toku
post May 26 2022, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ May 26 2022, 04:23 PM)
yea i know. just hinting what Toku's setup actually is
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Sorry, I was under the impression that the stock is what he wants to invest and he just want to lower his cost? May be I have mistaken.
That is just one way that I know to lower the cost of stock I want to keep, without having to take risk to sell it and hope to be able to buyback at a lower price.
Toku
post May 26 2022, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 26 2022, 04:08 PM)
Keep in mind when you sell a put if in the money it will be assigned.
Yes you need to cough out cash to buy 100 shares.
That's why I don't do naked calls. All my stuff are covered.
I only do naked puts. Cause I don't mind getting assign and it's just like buying house on loan. Sell covered call on it and slowly pay down the principal and interest.

But with interest rate increasing, my amount of naked puts have reduced to basically usd30k/year (basically enough for my options premium to cover + my salary at rm5k/month)

Like mentioned, if assigned I am ok with it cause the amount of premium I can generate is about half of that usd30k and I want to get assigned.
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I admired your fortitude. You basically all-in with options. Your tactics seems to be flawless. And I think in a sideway market, it is something I can do with a part of my portfolio.

May be you could re-evaluate again on your pricing ladder? Like someone posted before, an entry price mistake will take lots of % in returns to recover the loss. The stock price at current level is still overvalue....why waste your part time income...
While building your wealth, live your life as well... Money is not everything, spend it and enjoy life...
Toku
post May 26 2022, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 26 2022, 06:17 PM)
It's never flawless. It's whether market shoot up or down too much.
Well I aim to achieve FAT FIRE in 10 years. So no choice need to grind. I have counted can't even achieved THIN FIRE on dividends but not impossible to achieve Mid to FAT FIRE with options and side income.
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First time I heard FAT FIRE and THIN FIRE. What are they?

 

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