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post Oct 8 2021, 05:47 PM

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Just an older perspective to TS - have the end-goal in mind, eg. Estate planning.

All the moving about to US / SG / etc brokerages & accounts - ensure it's worthwhile for your Will's Executor to file/execute your Will in those countries and retrieve
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relevant Estate taxes, even if SG brokerage, it can be US Estate Laws U'll face like 45% taxed on anything above USD $60K.

Personally, i've moved my stuff back to "easier & cheaper" for my Will's Executor to perform their duties with less or no estate taxes.

Of course there will be some smarter folks saying to share userid & password with another or joint-account but.. look into the details and probabilities ya. Executability when needed +legality + impact.

Note - i'm 49 this year and based on the local brokerage charges / fees on dividends, no biggie based on the amount i'm transacting. Thus, the end-goal is more important to me for my family. When younger, yup all those cost are quite a big % impact thus worthwhile to have accounts like OptionsXpress, TDAmeritrade, etc.

No absolute right / wrong ya - just sharing what i've done & thought - different strokes for different folks & different stages of life.

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post Oct 20 2021, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(premier239 @ Oct 20 2021, 10:04 AM)
while most of the discussions revolve around the investment part, how about the expense control for FIRE?

Although one should save as much as possible, is there a guidance of the expenses allocation?

under FIRE, like max can only spend rm10 on food+grocery /day ah?
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personally, i used % of net active income - ie. excludes passive income.
as % is very easily fungible, U can customize to your own situation + aim to increase certain allocations to grow faster / when situation changes

i started with the aim of:
50% basic necessities
10% saving to invest
10% saving to create emergency buffer - when "enough" eg 6-12 months living expenses, re-channel to invest
10% feel good
10% accumulation for big purchases OR pay off debts
10% fudging for a combination of the above XD

The above is a mutation / self-customized from T Harv Eker's "secrets of the millionaire mind" guidelines.
There's also the "50/30/20 rule" - google it. Similar but since i know i'm not too disciplined, i needed the more detailed version above to focus on, to get into the habit laugh.gif

it was tough at first, VERY TOUGH.
especially after paying for a divorce to ensure my daughter is ok & rebuilding from the ashes. tough as in like 5% savings only..

after like 12-15 years, i more than recovered and was on >=20% saving to invest to <=40%, and my necessities fell to less than 50% coz my flexi mortgage was chopped down by prepayments. The prepayments were used as emergency buffer + war chest for "lelong buys" like stocks in 2020 Mar-Jun + lelong groceries that have long shelf-life & "for sure used" like milk powder, oats, soap.

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post Oct 22 2021, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(vaksin @ Oct 22 2021, 09:35 AM)
moderation is the key
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and prioritization XD
we can have nearly anything we want but NOT EVERYTHING - kan laugh.gif kan
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post Jul 25 2022, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(bogletails @ Jul 25 2022, 09:35 AM)
I think this is quite oversimplified things. Haven't calculate about the opportunity cost.

So I use an example here to explain

Scenario 1:
Imagine you buying a 500k house.
Downpayment: 50k
Monthly payment: 2k
Maintenance/furniture/tax/Reno: 1k
At the end of 35 years, you paid 840k total.
House value maybe at 1million. (Seriously house price I see quite stagnant already. This 100% return i think already optimistic)
This haven't include renovation, furniture, maintenance, taxes.

Scenario 2:
You put the 50k in index fund.
Monthly DCA: Rm1500
Pay Rent: 1500
At the end of 35 years @ 6% growth
Your portfolio size still got 2.5million

(Quite conservative already since average return of S&P500 is 8% for past few decades)
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Yes rent may increase but I don't think it's going anywhere that is too high. And the compounding return from index fund can cover it.
Using this 2 example, 50k initial capital + 3k monthly payment

In Scenario 1 you end up with a house but zero cash.

In scenario 2 you end up with 2.5million in index fund. 6% return means you get 150k per year (or 12500 monthly passive income) l can continue to pay rent to homebuyers. Or I can choose to buy a 1million house and still have 1.5million.
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it depends on individual's wants/priorities.

for married folks with children, they may want a "home base" for the management of stability - U know, like logistics to schools, kids' extra curricular activities, support, friends, etc. Ya - once we had kids, our lives aren't ours anymore XD. All decisions are weighted more towards the kids' welfare IF that's a priority to the parents tongue.gif

for those who are into travelling / digital nomad lifestyle long term, a home may be anywhere they are as long as they can keep in contact with their loved ones

i fall into the former grouping but i also leverage on my home's flexi mortgage for savings and investment usage when opportunities pops up.

No "one true way" ya, not Mando's this is the way XD - just sharing personal thoughts and executions.
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post Jul 25 2022, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 25 2022, 11:53 AM)
i don't doubt the abundance of these units. it's the moving that is the pain. unless we have super professional house movers like Tokyo that will take care from A-Z for you then can consider.
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i've moved home 3 times... painful + costly in terms of hassle, time, disruption and monetary as well.
Note - not solo ya, family moving.

QUOTE(negayem @ Jul 25 2022, 11:57 AM)
Paying loan plus interest is akin to paying rent but with final result of owning the house. After retire and almost finish using savings, can sell house and move to luxury old folks home as a back up plan. This works better with landed properties.
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Also, one can look at it as being one's best rental customer AND one's best landlord smile.gif

then again, i dont like "travelling" overseas and whatnot. my home is my man-cave laugh.gif , thus other's mileage may vary.
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post Jul 27 2022, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Daprind @ Jul 27 2022, 10:41 AM)
For those who can't save on rainy day, blame no one but themselves. Born poor, not own fault. Die poor, own mistake?
Nope, my beloved parents do not owe me anything . I am blessed they did not uphold the antique traditional mindset into my upbringing.

I just want to make it clear if a parent bring out a child in this world, that is on parent's choice / decision.

The irony of conservative parents, once children sustain themselves and never return the favor (in parent's own term), they will be automatically labelled as ungrateful son/ daughter.
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Speaking as a parent - i agree with U that children never had a say, it's the parents' choice/decision on the children's being conceived and born.

Thus, IMHO, it's the parents' duty to do their best to grow their children to be able to care for themselves and hopefully, others like their partner, own children & help out in society. All i want from my kids are to see them - f2f or video-calls, and if possible spend some time with them.
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post Jul 27 2022, 07:48 PM

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Lots of SJWs here that assumes that:
IF one thinks that "our children doesn't owe us" means "we do not take care of our parents"

Oh well, shows the level of comprehension
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(If NOT 1, MUST BE 0) fallacy is infectious.

Whatever it is, having children adds a heavier load to achieve FI/RE. It's one's choice

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post Dec 30 2022, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Dec 30 2022, 11:32 AM)
Nice to hear, mate! That's a nice lot of investment 🙂

How do you cope with those credit card debts if you were to be jobless for 10 years?

If I reach FI, I'd probably be debt free first
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IMHO, dont need to be debt-free to be FI/REd as long as:
a. cash flow in generated by investments > (cash flow out +reinvestments for beating the kaka out of inflation),
AND
b. net worth +ve with 80%+ in investment assets and not lived-in property & other "fake assets" eg. cars and other stuff that depreciates+need $ to "feed".

i've >MYR250K short term debts & >MYR600K in mortgage debts tongue.gif

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 30 2022, 11:29 AM)
40k a month doesn't need 50m.
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$40kpm *12 / 4%pa = $12M cukup la OR if inventive with cash flow, even less, kan? notworthy.gif

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post Dec 31 2022, 02:07 PM

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Looking back this 2022 & sharing:
1. Financial year 2022 in recap - personally lost 8.18% yoy but nothing compared to those who lost lives and loved ones in Ukraine-Russia war & continued Covid-19 surge of deaths in CN.

2. 1.5 years into FI/REd: cash flow in VS out is still as planned even with (1.), touch wood - no, not YOUR wood XD

3. Financial year 2023: Still plodding along with plans & tweaking as needed. Hopefully revenge kill by investments done in mid & late 2022 XD

Wishing all fellow forumers & their loved ones, Happy, Healthy and >=15% ROIC New Year

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post Feb 3 2023, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Feb 3 2023, 03:38 PM)
If male = FI/RE

If female = FLAME
Flamboyant Lady And Money Expediture
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Female = BU/RN
Buys Unnecessarily/Reach Nirvana XD
burns us guys too heehhe
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post Feb 4 2023, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(Aaron212 @ Feb 4 2023, 09:02 AM)
U gib son bekum Dr he wont starve to death. But whether he bekum super rich thats a bet

If teach invest he might lose it all n then end up from 0 with no professional knowlegde then go do property or insurance agent adi
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U do understand proper investing, cash management and risk management is NOT trading or shitcoins right?
investing is +ve probability skewed, ie. the longer U stay in, the higher probability to make more, unlike casinos / gambling which is a -ve probability skewed

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post Feb 4 2023, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 4 2023, 01:09 PM)
Doctor need extremely karge amount of money to study.

If half way gives up, or half way realised not smart enough, ...money spend all wasted.

That money and time spend on taking that don't know can be qualified career, ...if spend on investment, ...... can the money be big and how long does that doctor need to save to reach that sum?
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it's good - we need more people like that person's mentality to keep working for $, rather than have $ work 365/24/7 for us.
else too crowded & competitive brows.gif

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post Feb 4 2023, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(Unkerpanjang @ Feb 4 2023, 06:57 PM)
Young man, everyone has a choice, just ruff it out & improve your skills/employability.

If education n intelligence are only factors to become millionaires, then yes likely Astronauts, Neuro surgeons, Astro physicists will be more successful than mere doctors.

Shake off the negativity. You think labourers like Unker, no stress n not overworked meh? I oso have a role in this society.

So sad, endowed with the education, yet...sigh!
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shows that it's not about education only but of mindset/thinking methodology
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post May 17 2023, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 17 2023, 07:23 PM)
not that dude.... the concept predates him.
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kinda started with "Your Money or Your Life" by Vicki Robin (Author), Joe Dominguez (Author) right?
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post Jul 5 2023, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Jul 5 2023, 09:41 AM)
I wanna ask those that have FIRE-ed.

Do you still file your annual taxes and submit income as zero?
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yup, i do for paper trail/reporting in to THE MAN je

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post Jan 11 2024, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 11 2024, 09:47 AM)
Alot of people also got burnt too
Thus possible for you may not be possible for others too.
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yeah - good example is my sibling, who went for all sorts of investing and trading workshops yet can't consistently invest nor trade. at the end, handed-off to me & EPF to manage coz cannot manage own temperament (fear/greed).

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post Feb 24 2024, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(kiwifruit0 @ Feb 24 2024, 01:15 PM)
What should a person whom already FIRE invest in or keep their fund to ensure he will be FIRE status and above throughout his life?
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i still keep the same 3 asset classes but at different ratios due to different wants:

1. During retirement (now):
a. EPF to generate 50% of yearly cashflow usage
b. REITs (worldwide) to generate 50% of yearly cashflow usage
c. nonREITs / normal stocks (worldwide) to generate inflation beating returns

2. During work / active income:
a. EPF as Fixed Income allocation; 33%+/-
b. REITs (worldwide) as proxy for properties: 33% +/-
c. nonREITs / normal stocks (worldwide) as proxy to businesses: 33% +/-

Cash equivalent of 1 to 2 years' expenses are kept out of the above, in SSPN, Money Markets, FD, savings a/c,

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post Feb 25 2024, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Feb 24 2024, 07:03 PM)
Do you invest in worldwide REIT using individual stocks or ETF or unit trust?
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i'm doing individual REITs' stock coz REIT ETFs' / UTs' mgt fees.. i prefer to pay myself heheh
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post Dec 5 2024, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(raynmann @ Dec 5 2024, 09:17 AM)
can i just retire with rm4.3 mil ? 2.8Mil in epf and the rest in asnb?

passive income of rm18-20k monthly
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it heavily depends on your chosen lifestyle cost. for me, my own total costs, including insurances, home maintenance, item replacement, etc - comes to about ~2.5K pm only. Thus, even if i add my immediate family's costs, not a big amount pa. cashflow needed, and thus, not as much as RM4.3 M investments needed smile.gif

in comparison, my older sibling will have to have more than i because of her taste buds and travelling hobby - get the idea?

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post Feb 24 2025, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Feb 24 2025, 08:42 AM)
Just wondering how old are you, to put it into context.
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been in my 50s for several years now (oh my achy achy back, hams & back delts during and after DLs cry.gif )

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