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elimi8z
post Jul 24 2022, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(bogletails @ Jul 24 2022, 09:17 PM)
Anyone FIRE without owning a house? Is it doable? Reason why I want to ask this is because I think house is a terrible investment, it won’t appreciate already compared to 2008 time due to property oversupply. Plus, have to pay mortgage interest which is 2x the house price, no rental yield due to own stay. 1 mil house need to pay almost 2mil after 35 years.

If let’s say we have 1million capital, instead of buying a house. Can’t we just put it to the equity market? US index fund, ASM, EPF etc and let it work?  Assuming a conservative 6% average annual return from S&P500, 1 million capital will yield 60k a year or 5k per month. Then use part of the passive income to pay rent at whatever place we like. The remaining use for daily expenses or reinvest it.

Can this method work?? Why I never hear people talk about this before? Rent in Malaysia isn’t too expensive anyway. 2-3k can get a decent place.
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1. End of 35 years mortgage, you own an asset vs rental.
2. 2-3k monthly also can pay for mortgage of a decent place, in fact your example of RM 1M property is biased coz you're already choosing by "wants", not "needs"
3. If you really have the RM 1M capital then it's lagi a no brainer to use those gains to own the asset, no? In the end your yield will be RM 1M + asset + whatever remaining from dividend vs RM 1M + dividend - rental

elimi8z
post Jul 24 2022, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(bogletails @ Jul 24 2022, 10:42 PM)
But factoring in the interest it’s really a different story isn’t it? I see many people talk about property without without talking the total interest payment. For 35 years mortage , the interest is actually higher than the house price you purchase. Interest is More than the cost of house.

Also can the house consider as asset if you stay inside it? It sounds like a liability to me. No cashflow generation and might stay stagnant for very long time. If the capital is invested in equity, at least in the long term got positive 6-7% per year. vs mortgage interest rate which is negative 3-4%.

If this is 2008 we talking about, it’s a no brainer to buy property. But I realize after 2013-2015 property macam stay stagnant and not much appreciation at all, very slow. But at the same time S&P500 growth is doubled… so is current situation still same as last time?
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You rent RM 3k a month for 420 months is outflow of 1.2M, if you pay mortgage RM 3k a month, the property price in current time most likely RM 700k, at end of 35 yrs, worse case scenario, assuming your property depreciate by 50%, you still end with RM 350k with stoppage of RM 3k monthly outflow

Another thing with rental is that rental prices are always upwards coz landlords will pass the cost down, if own property at end of tenure, who hikes your rate?

No cash flow generation is subjective, what if you're a WFH, freelancer, home business owner? Even renting out rooms is cash flow generation already

Tbh, renting or owning is really depend on your intention of use, personally, I'll prefer to at least own one for own stay

elimi8z
post Jul 25 2022, 06:28 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 25 2022, 01:02 AM)
For 3k mortgage home, rental is about 2k in most locations. And maintenance is mostly by landlord.

In reality, most residential rental remain stagnant or even drop over the years in most locations.
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Subjective, some prime location rental is slowly creeping back up already and again, on year 36 onwards, his expenses will be reduced, unless he die on end of year 35
elimi8z
post Jul 25 2022, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(bogletails @ Jul 24 2022, 09:17 PM)
Anyone FIRE without owning a house? Is it doable? Reason why I want to ask this is because I think house is a terrible investment, it won’t appreciate already compared to 2008 time due to property oversupply. Plus, have to pay mortgage interest which is 2x the house price, no rental yield due to own stay. 1 mil house need to pay almost 2mil after 35 years.

If let’s say we have 1million capital, instead of buying a house. Can’t we just put it to the equity market? US index fund, ASM, EPF etc and let it work?  Assuming a conservative 6% average annual return from S&P500, 1 million capital will yield 60k a year or 5k per month. Then use part of the passive income to pay rent at whatever place we like. The remaining use for daily expenses or reinvest it.

Can this method work?? Why I never hear people talk about this before? Rent in Malaysia isn’t too expensive anyway. 2-3k can get a decent place.
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QUOTE(bogletails @ Jul 25 2022, 11:15 AM)
Which post are you replying? A bit confused
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Your own la

 

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