its easy to say buy.. but when markets tumbles, many of these so called investors panic sell.. i am not one of them.. so best for me is to wait for a crash and deploy.. i think its a good idea.
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its easy to say buy.. but when markets tumbles, many of these so called investors panic sell.. i am not one of them.. so best for me is to wait for a crash and deploy.. i think its a good idea.
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 24 2025, 04:15 PM) I'm trying to build my cash reserve to a better ratio, but recently not so easy as market on rampage. I did ask Ramjade about his cash holding, since he is able to churn out cash from options. I was hoping to be able to be at least 30% in cash holdings but it might take a while since my options exposure not that high. Many or most of those dividends stocks holdings will also suffer when mkts dropped, ....During those good days, they will reinvest the dividends earned into the same holdings and do monthly buy as they believed those are good quality holdings. The size of their holdings will continue to grow from those periodic reinvestment of their dividends and from their monthly pay. Psychologically or mentally, one may not be easily move their capital from platform that can give them easy gain investment, time tested, very confident can make cash flow money every week into buying stocks. For the amount of new cash deployed may just improve abit of the average cost price. For they may think the stock price they bought cheap can became cheaper too If they keep on wait, May missed the low already. For they does not know when it will recovers to predrop price level too. The need for cash preservation mindset may also set in during mkts corrections thus prevent them from deploying cash flow cow from current sure win platform to buy stocks during mkts correction. I think they may just continues to buy stock with the monthly reinvestment from dividend and monthly pay if their is no impact to their job security during mkts crashes This post has been edited by MUM: Sep 24 2025, 05:29 PM |
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QUOTE(thesnake @ Sep 24 2025, 04:19 PM) its easy to say buy.. but when markets tumbles, many of these so called investors panic sell.. i am not one of them.. so best for me is to wait for a crash and deploy.. i think its a good idea. I walk the talk. The US market always have crash. Don't be afraid. Keep buying. |
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QUOTE(thesnake @ Sep 24 2025, 04:19 PM) its easy to say buy.. but when markets tumbles, many of these so called investors panic sell.. i am not one of them.. so best for me is to wait for a crash and deploy.. i think its a good idea. You yourself need define what is considered as crash or set the % of drops from previous high then stick to it no matter what others tell you.Since you had waited and accumulated abt 1 mil for snp500 crash to happens before you are willing to deploy yr cash. I will assume you are not looking at mere 20% drops from previous high as a precursor to deploying cash. As in under the last 5 yrs there are 2x Snp500 had dropped 20%. Btw, where do you park your 1 mil deployable cash while waiting for snp500 crash? I think it must not be in equity like stocks holdings.... |
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Sep 24 2025, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 24 2025, 03:46 PM) Buy the dip and catch the falling knife have never fail me. Wealth is build in a down market and realised when market is going up. Will the price drop further? Yes. Just keeping on the way down. Everytime the market dip, my wealth networth grows. bro that doesnt sound right.say you have cash X, and stocks abcd etc your net worth now is X + value of abcd etc when market dip prices drop so is your stocks value in abcd your networth will go down, not up Cash in X remain same it falls further and you keep buying your cash X will reduce so are the stocks value you bought higher before this further drop your networth will go down and down not up bro. PS: and note if your stock drop 50% later when it rise 50% you are still losing money you need 100% rise to beat that 50% drop only to break even, still no profit! This post has been edited by guy3288: Sep 24 2025, 06:27 PM |
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 24 2025, 06:15 PM) bro that doesnt sound right. Meant buy BTFD. So once market become goes up, I am green already. Have to read in between the lines 😂say you have cash X, and stocks abcd etc your net worth now is X + value of abcd etc when market dip prices drop so is your stocks value in abcd your networth will go down, not up Cash in X remain same it falls further and you keep buying your cash X will reduce so are the stocks value you bought higher before this further drop your networth will go down and down not up bro. PS: and note if your stock drop 50% later when it rise 50% you are still losing money you need 100% rise to beat that 50% drop only to break even, still no profit! Using the market fear to help myself. This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 24 2025, 07:53 PM |
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Sep 24 2025, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 24 2025, 04:44 PM) Many or most of those dividends stocks holdings will also suffer when mkts dropped, .... You are right, thus the strategy to deploy the cash holding is quite important also. I think reasonably good companies would most probably survive the storm, but I'm comfortable if market crashed and stocks drop to 50%; for US stocks I'll just turn on the DRIP, but for Malaysia and Singapore most probably have to be done manually. For new holdings sometimes drop 20% I'll start to dip into it. Regardless on selling, I do have stocks that have no intention of selling, these are the counters that I don't even sell call options. There are counters that I'll still sell either via selling call options or directly selling it if it is reaching my TP.During those good days, they will reinvest the dividends earned into the same holdings and do monthly buy as they believed those are good quality holdings. The size of their holdings will continue to grow from those periodic reinvestment of their dividends and from their monthly pay. Psychologically or mentally, one may not be easily move their capital from platform that can give them easy gain investment, time tested, very confident can make cash flow money every week into buying stocks. For the amount of new cash deployed may just improve abit of the average cost price. For they may think the stock price they bought cheap can became cheaper too If they keep on wait, May missed the low already. For they does not know when it will recovers to predrop price level too. The need for cash preservation mindset may also set in during mkts corrections thus prevent them from deploying cash flow cow from current sure win platform to buy stocks during mkts correction. I think they may just continues to buy stock with the monthly reinvestment from dividend and monthly pay if their is no impact to their job security during mkts crashes QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 24 2025, 06:15 PM) bro that doesnt sound right. Yeah, this is what I thought so as well although I think the expectation is when market recover the net worth would be up. say you have cash X, and stocks abcd etc your net worth now is X + value of abcd etc when market dip prices drop so is your stocks value in abcd your networth will go down, not up Cash in X remain same it falls further and you keep buying your cash X will reduce so are the stocks value you bought higher before this further drop your networth will go down and down not up bro. PS: and note if your stock drop 50% later when it rise 50% you are still losing money you need 100% rise to beat that 50% drop only to break even, still no profit! But then again not only net worth, in fact I think the options premium would have been lowered as well. This post has been edited by jasontoh: Sep 24 2025, 11:09 PM |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 24 2025, 07:22 PM) Meant buy BTFD. So once market become goes up, I am green already. Have to read in between the lines 😂 i know bro, but that statement market crash make my wealth grow is inherently untenableUsing the market fear to help myself. some may wonder how negative numbers add to your wealth.... when you are actually counting tomorrow's rebounds as today's riches taking shrinking assets today as tomorrow's bragging rights? ie putting the cart before the horse..as if you can see the future for people like you holding stocks not selling not the buy sell buy sell type i think you have overstated your immunity like a bullet proof vehicle by repeatedly telling you welcome market crash anytime the more it goes down the better ......?? huh? this is quite outrageous like a homeowner cheering for house fire because water might get cheaper? you only think of buying cheap sales but what about the stocks in hand are they are not crashed as well? i dont believe market crash only stocks that you dont have and spare yours in hand dont forget a drop of 50% down requires a 100% up only to break even. QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 24 2025, 11:06 PM) You are right, thus the strategy to deploy the cash holding is quite important also. I think reasonably good companies would most probably survive the storm, but I'm comfortable if market crashed and stocks drop to 50%; for US stocks I'll just turn on the DRIP, but for Malaysia and Singapore most probably have to be done manually. For new holdings sometimes drop 20% I'll start to dip into it. Regardless on selling, I do have stocks that have no intention of selling, these are the counters that I don't even sell call options. There are counters that I'll still sell either via selling call options or directly selling it if it is reaching my TP. if you are outside the market Yeah, this is what I thought so as well although I think the expectation is when market recover the net worth would be up. But then again not only net worth, in fact I think the options premium would have been lowered as well. yes you can cheer when market crashed you got opportunity to buy in cheap but if you are already strapped in you dont wish for a crash that is like cheering your flight turbulence in midair! MUM liked this post
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 25 2025, 12:13 AM) i know bro, but that statement market crash make my wealth grow is inherently untenable As an accumulator I want market to drop. So what I am already holding stocks and so what if my current value drop?some may wonder how negative numbers add to your wealth.... when you are actually counting tomorrow's rebounds as today's riches taking shrinking assets today as tomorrow's bragging rights? ie putting the cart before the horse..as if you can see the future for people like you holding stocks not selling not the buy sell buy sell type i think you have overstated your immunity like a bullet proof vehicle by repeatedly telling you welcome market crash anytime the more it goes down the better ......?? huh? this is quite outrageous like a homeowner cheering for house fire because water might get cheaper? you only think of buying cheap sales but what about the stocks in hand are they are not crashed as well? i dont believe market crash only stocks that you dont have and spare yours in hand dont forget a drop of 50% down requires a 100% up only to break even. if you are outside the market yes you can cheer when market crashed you got opportunity to buy in cheap but if you are already strapped in you dont wish for a crash that is like cheering your flight turbulence in midair! I buying more man. The more it drops the more I keep buying. Been there done that. Many of my stocks are build by BTFD. So I already have a huge margin of safety build in by BTFD. When you buy cheap you have a margin of safety. If you buy when it's expensive less margin of safety. Since I am always a buyer, I love it when the market give me some decent discounts. If my portfolio drops 30% by all means bring it on. I am buying. Imagine DBS drop by 30%? I am scooping up more. I don't sell unless fundamentals change or unless accidently assign during my options. Why scared when 1. You are not selling anything. 2. You do need to sell in a down market to generate income to live off 3. You always have money coming in on a weekly basis regardless of market condition 4. You always want to be buying At least that is me. This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 25 2025, 02:27 AM ckk125 liked this post
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 25 2025, 02:18 AM) As an accumulator I want market to drop. So what I am already holding stocks and so what if my current value drop? Yes, you have come out from all those crashes.......with just bruises, recovered continue to grow up.......great.I buying more man. The more it drops the more I keep buying. Been there done that. Many of my stocks are build by BTFD. So I already have a huge margin of safety build in by BTFD. When you buy cheap you have a margin of safety. If you buy when it's expensive less margin of safety. Since I am always a buyer, I love it when the market give me some decent discounts. If my portfolio drops 30% by all means bring it on. I am buying. Imagine DBS drop by 30%? I am scooping up more. I don't sell unless fundamentals change or unless accidently assign during my options. Why scared when 1. You are not selling anything. 2. You do need to sell in a down market to generate income to live off 3. You always have money coming in on a weekly basis regardless of market condition 4. You always want to be buying At least that is me. this is the financial version of rooting for a car crash while you are behind the wheel...... someone has survived a number of car accidents.....and he kept boasting........even taunting the roads come bring me more accidents....................i felt stronger each time as i survived ! |
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 25 2025, 12:13 AM) i know bro, but that statement market crash make my wealth grow is inherently untenable I don't cheer for crashed, but I have the backup plan should everything turn sour.some may wonder how negative numbers add to your wealth.... when you are actually counting tomorrow's rebounds as today's riches taking shrinking assets today as tomorrow's bragging rights? ie putting the cart before the horse..as if you can see the future for people like you holding stocks not selling not the buy sell buy sell type i think you have overstated your immunity like a bullet proof vehicle by repeatedly telling you welcome market crash anytime the more it goes down the better ......?? huh? this is quite outrageous like a homeowner cheering for house fire because water might get cheaper? you only think of buying cheap sales but what about the stocks in hand are they are not crashed as well? i dont believe market crash only stocks that you dont have and spare yours in hand dont forget a drop of 50% down requires a 100% up only to break even. if you are outside the market yes you can cheer when market crashed you got opportunity to buy in cheap but if you are already strapped in you dont wish for a crash that is like cheering your flight turbulence in midair! |
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 24 2025, 03:41 PM) Honestly, the first one needs balls of steel actually.... somehow very difficult to execute... Actually no need balls of steel., Just need to be ignorant of fear. Like me in 1989.like what some traders I know used to say.... harden your balls first... then execute. YOLO... lol (just joking... anyone reading... pls think for yourself first) When Tiananmen happened, HKSE crash more than 25% resulting in HSBC shares crashing to HKD2.50 p share. The fool that i was, my girlfriend was working in HSBC and i knew it was a solid bank. i ploughed in 20,000 shares costing RM16,000. 20 years later, it was worth GBP9 per share. Ploughed all the proceeds into Gold. gobiomani and Wedchar2912 liked this post
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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Sep 23 2025, 08:29 PM) eh want to expect no jam then autobahn is the wiser choice (I know not ITA tho) :grin: I don’t know what your definition of fast is…. But I see vehicles going above 250 kmh on the autobahn at the left lane and I get honked at 100 kmh on the right lane…that being said, I didn't notice anyone really drive fast there altho it is famous for no speed limit The ctrl-panel in the car shows no speed-limit required in many stretches of the highway, but not at all points tho’…. |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 25 2025, 02:18 AM) As an accumulator I want market to drop. So what I am already holding stocks and so what if my current value drop? I admire ur persistence in arguing ur pts…. day-and-night ur’e in this chat. 😂👍…. U shld consider a career in politics.I buying more man. The more it drops the more I keep buying. Been there done that. Many of my stocks are build by BTFD. So I already have a huge margin of safety build in by BTFD. When you buy cheap you have a margin of safety. If you buy when it's expensive less margin of safety. Since I am always a buyer, I love it when the market give me some decent discounts. If my portfolio drops 30% by all means bring it on. I am buying. Imagine DBS drop by 30%? I am scooping up more. I don't sell unless fundamentals change or unless accidently assign during my options. Why scared when 1. You are not selling anything. 2. You do need to sell in a down market to generate income to live off 3. You always have money coming in on a weekly basis regardless of market condition 4. You always want to be buying At least that is me. Anyway…. This is not the first time I said this. The last time I commented you like this, you ‘dissappeared’ for a few days…😂 |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Sep 25 2025, 01:14 PM) Actually no need balls of steel., Just need to be ignorant of fear. Like me in 1989. hahaha... fearless! lack of fear... or ignorance... same same but diff... When Tiananmen happened, HKSE crash more than 25% resulting in HSBC shares crashing to HKD2.50 p share. The fool that i was, my girlfriend was working in HSBC and i knew it was a solid bank. i ploughed in 20,000 shares costing RM16,000. 20 years later, it was worth GBP9 per share. Ploughed all the proceeds into Gold. dang... u have like 10 kg? can melt them and make a dumb-bell... paint it black and use it to flex muscle... hehe This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: Sep 25 2025, 01:54 PM |
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 25 2025, 01:47 PM) hahaha... fearless! lack of fear... or ignorance... same same but diff... Or use it as a door stop? dang... u have like 10 kg? can melt them and make a dumb-bell... paint it black and use it to flex muscle... hehe Wedchar2912 liked this post
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Sep 25 2025, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 25 2025, 12:13 AM) i know bro, but that statement market crash make my wealth grow is inherently untenable If you want your wealth to grow you need to BTFD. I have experience it personally Adam Khoo also said the same thing. After every crash his portfolio grow as market will rebound faster.some may wonder how negative numbers add to your wealth.... when you are actually counting tomorrow's rebounds as today's riches taking shrinking assets today as tomorrow's bragging rights? ie putting the cart before the horse..as if you can see the future for people like you holding stocks not selling not the buy sell buy sell type i think you have overstated your immunity like a bullet proof vehicle by repeatedly telling you welcome market crash anytime the more it goes down the better ......?? huh? this is quite outrageous like a homeowner cheering for house fire because water might get cheaper? you only think of buying cheap sales but what about the stocks in hand are they are not crashed as well? i dont believe market crash only stocks that you dont have and spare yours in hand dont forget a drop of 50% down requires a 100% up only to break even. if you are outside the market yes you can cheer when market crashed you got opportunity to buy in cheap but if you are already strapped in you dont wish for a crash that is like cheering your flight turbulence in midair! |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 25 2025, 02:48 PM) If you want your wealth to grow you need to BTFD. I have experience it personally Adam Khoo also said the same thing. After every crash his portfolio grow as market will rebound faster. well saiddid same thing in 2008, 2019 some stocks earned 300%, not including dividend yield of 6% Ramjade liked this post
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