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guy3288
post Sep 23 2025, 02:04 PM

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Apa logic ini bro....?

Sekejap cakap old gens don't want you guys to retire early..
Want to cling to their posts, don't want to let go??

If so they should shoo you guys away...go retire early and don't climb
the ladder to push for senior posts....

Then complain a lot graduates unemployed...apa ini culture young young people don't want to work already....?

Manyak hippy huh?

Productivity jatuh...any wonder?
Mahu rest early
Mahu goyang kaki
Mahu enjoy
Tak mahu kerja....


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post Sep 23 2025, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 23 2025, 12:41 PM)
Governments like MY and SG keep pushing up retirement age. Officially to deal with longer lifespans and pension gaps. But let’s be real: the result is obvious. Older workers cling to their jobs longer, reducing opportunities for younger cohorts to rise, and boom… graduate unemployment/ underemployment everywhere.

It’s kind of funny. Everyone talks about wanting innovation and opportunities for the youth, but the system is literally designed to keep the old guard parked in their chairs. And guess what, the older crowd is usually the most resistant to change. Since govs are supposed to represent the people, I guess that means people and businesses like it this way? Lol.

The real problem is mindset. Folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s still think of work like it’s the 19th or 20th century: trade time for wages, hang on for dear life, waiting for retirement. That might have worked when lifespans were shorter, but now? Totally outdated. These days, it’s about rethinking "work": gig economy, side hustles, FIRE, passive income, whatever gets you out of the hamster wheel.

And seriously… if one don’t know what to do with life by 40, what makes he think he will figure it out at 70 when the brain’s much slower and less flexible?
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totally illogical if we ask you guys continue to work dont waste your potential

problem is in the minds of you guys

hippy cultuer now
want to be free
want to enjoy
unemployment is the outcome lah .. blaming the seniors pulak... doh.gif

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 23 2025, 12:41 PM)
Governments like MY and SG keep pushing up retirement age. Officially to deal with longer lifespans and pension gaps. But let’s be real: the result is obvious. Older workers cling to their jobs longer, reducing opportunities for younger cohorts to rise, and boom… graduate unemployment/ underemployment everywhere.

It’s kind of funny. Everyone talks about wanting innovation and opportunities for the youth, but the system is literally designed to keep the old guard parked in their chairs. And guess what, the older crowd is usually the most resistant to change. Since govs are supposed to represent the people, I guess that means people and businesses like it this way? Lol.

The real problem is mindset. Folks in their 40s, 50s, 60s still think of work like it’s the 19th or 20th century: trade time for wages, hang on for dear life, waiting for retirement. That might have worked when lifespans were shorter, but now? Totally outdated. These days, it’s about rethinking "work": gig economy, side hustles, FIRE, passive income, whatever gets you out of the hamster wheel.

And seriously… if one don’t know what to do with life by 40, what makes he think he will figure it out at 70 when the brain’s much slower and less flexible?
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I think this mindset about old folks holding on to positions and denying the young folks of opportunities is wrong. Private sector is mostly merit based. You can be young but if you prove your worth, you can be managing a bunch of older folks.

My guess is the retirement age is increasing because the Ponzi scheme pension fund is unsustainable. How else to reduce outflows of funds other than to make people work longer that they are not eligible the withdraw their funds?

They have to balance youth unemployment with the sustainability of the pension fund. Lean towards one and the other dies.
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post Sep 23 2025, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Sep 23 2025, 02:04 PM)
Mahu rest early
Mahu goyang kaki
Mahu enjoy
Tak mahu kerja....
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That's me and I am proud to admit I want that. No shame because I want my time back.

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Wedchar2912
post Sep 23 2025, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Sep 23 2025, 02:54 PM)
I think this mindset about old folks holding on to positions and denying the young folks of opportunities is wrong. Private sector is mostly merit based. You can be young but if you prove your worth, you can be managing a bunch of older folks.

My guess is the retirement age is increasing because the Ponzi scheme pension fund is unsustainable. How else to reduce outflows of funds other than to make people work longer that they are not eligible the withdraw their funds?

They have to balance youth unemployment with the sustainability of the pension fund. Lean towards one and the other dies.
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This is the gaslight most of us buy into. That the private sector is "merit-based". Work hard, climb up, and you’ll be rewarded. But once you’ve been around long enough and rise to senior levels, you realize it’s not that simple.

Simple example: just look at the board of directors. The cohort basically explains itself.

At the end of the day, it is favoring one group while kicking the can down the road… let someone else (probably the next gov) deal with the fallout. Haha.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2025, 02:58 PM)
That's me and I am proud to admit I want that. No shame because I want my time back.
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you'll get there.... don't worry...

but I still think you can losen the strings a bit and spend extra 1K rm per month... enjoy the resource gathering journey a bit....

12K rm today compounded at 10% is only like RM30K by 2035… and when you FIRE in 2035, that 30K rm future value is basically pocket change.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 23 2025, 03:18 PM)
This is the gaslight most of us buy into. That the private sector is "merit-based". Work hard, climb up, and you’ll be rewarded. But once you’ve been around long enough and rise to senior levels, you realize it’s not that simple.

Simple example: just look at the board of directors. The cohort basically explains itself.

At the end of the day, it is favoring one group while kicking the can down the road… let someone else (probably the next gov) deal with the fallout. Haha.
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Board of directors are the owners ma. Of course the old folks are there. But the workforce is different. You really can climb up faster than older/senior folks. Of course it doesn't mean it is a good thing to do, just saying it is possible.

I just don't see it as "if the old doesn't go, the young cannot go up".
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post Sep 23 2025, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(Sihambodoh @ Sep 23 2025, 03:59 PM)
Board of directors are the owners ma. Of course the old folks are there. But the workforce is different. You really can climb up faster than older/senior folks. Of course it doesn't mean it is a good thing to do, just saying it is possible.

I just don't see it as "if the old doesn't go, the young cannot go up".
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Directors are not supposed to be all owners. Owners are shareholders.... Or to be more descriptive, major shareholders are what many usually consider are owners.

Like most things in life, the norm is taken as the standard. Just cos got a few exceptions do not mean the norm is false.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2025, 06:44 AM)
ASSI is a Singaporean investor with SGD200+ p.a He always say make sure your foundation is strong before you proceed to other style of investing or do other stuff. He is kiasi until having 2y worth of expenses and use only SGD500/month to survive despite earning SGD200k+ p.a in passive income.
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Well I don't really believe all these so called guru singing their songs, not like you know it is true or just made up figures

I did it less hectic my way not needing to skimp still managed to FIRE what... lol


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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Sep 23 2025, 08:02 PM)
Well I don't really believe all these so called guru singing their songs, not like you know it is true or just made up figures

I did it less hectic my way not needing to skimp still managed to FIRE what... lol
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He is not a guru. He never sells anything and he post his screenshot that is good enough for me.

He shows people that even if you are poor you can reach FIRE only harder. Very inspirational for ordinary people like me. No need big salary. No need to be rich. No need to use private banking.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 22 2025, 08:05 AM)
You do know that that I have look and look. There is no way to increase income as a salaries person in my job. What I am earning ow is like max earning already. I will just keep it to that.

The only other way is start a business.

To me the job is a dead area. Can't get higher pay. Let me focus on my investment. That way I can maximise my investment returns by making money work as efficiently.
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Ok… I do not really know your full circumstances. But, still… I’m afraid I will have to disagree with you. I still think… a person of your calibre shld be able to find the big break in whatever job you’ve chosen to do. Unless you don’t wish to. I’ll leave it at that.

Welcome to Italy.….


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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 23 2025, 08:15 PM)
Ok… I do not really know your full circumstances. But, still… I’m afraid I will have to disagree with you. I still think… a person of your calibre shld be able to find the big break in whatever job you’ve chosen to do. Unless you don’t wish to. I’ll leave it at that.

Welcome to Italy.….
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I wish that was the case where I can ask anything unfortunately in my industry choices are very limited.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2025, 08:15 PM)
He is not a guru. He never sells anything and he post his screenshot that is good enough for me.

He shows people that even if you are poor you can reach FIRE only harder. Very inspirational for ordinary people like me.
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Well I on another hand disagree because I am lucky I didn't read such nonsense and get demotivated at work before FIRE

Just because "I can invest to FIRE" even when I am poor why need to go extra miles at work

At least you have more options but not just buta buta the B40 way LOL
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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Sep 23 2025, 08:02 PM)
Well I don't really believe all these so called guru singing their songs, not like you know it is true or just made up figures

I did it less hectic my way not needing to skimp still managed to FIRE what... lol
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Yeah… don’t skimp….yolo… jammed now on an Italian highway…


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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Sep 23 2025, 08:19 PM)
Well I on another hand disagree because I am lucky I didn't read such nonsense and get demotivated at work before FIRE

Just because "I can invest to FIRE" even when I am poor why need to go extra miles at work

At least you have more options but not just buta buta the B40 way LOL
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I was motivated even in uni to FIRE after reading mrfreeat33. Retire to Thailand at USD7-8k p.a expenses with passive income of USD15k p.a, no alarm clock, no job, do what you like, sign me up.

Read ASSI become more motivated as Asian guy living in Singapore can do it skimming on SGD500/month.

Then enter workforce even more motivational to quit seeing how they treat you like a donkey/slave. Totally no appreciation.

I am glad I put my nose to the grinding stone as now I can just walk away whenever I want and if I want.

That's my story.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2025, 08:19 PM)
I wish that was the case where I can ask anything unfortunately in my industry choices are very limited.
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No such thing as I don't want meeting, don't want to do decision making, don,t want upskill or do MBA but I want to ask for more by only keep doing what I am doing now

Dream on
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QUOTE(coolguy_0925 @ Sep 23 2025, 08:23 PM)
No such thing as I don't want meeting, don't want to do decision making, don,t want upskill or do MBA but I want to ask for more by only keep doing what I am doing now

Dream on
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Well you can believe it or not. Even my ex boss also told me in our industry our job prospects is really limited. Not much options. You got like only 3 way out.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2025, 08:22 PM)
I was motivated even in uni to FIRE after reading mrfreeat33. Retire to Thailand at USD7-8k p.a expenses with passive income of USD15k p.a, no alarm clock, no job, do what you like, sign me up.

Read ASSI become more motivated as Asian guy living in Singapore can do it skimming on SGD500/month.

Then enter workforce even more motivational to quit seeing how they treat you like a donkey/slave. Totally no appreciation.

I am glad I put my nose to the grinding stone as now I can just walk away whenever I want and if I want.

That's my story.
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well not interested with all your guru story

on your workforce story it is rather obvious already what is the cause

hoping employer to be appreciative? lol

it is just a binding contract, they paid you salary dude what not appreciative? lol
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2025, 08:25 PM)
Well you can believe it or not. Even my ex boss also told me in our industry our job prospects is really limited. Not much options. You got like only 3 way out.
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then you have a boss who can't think out of the box stuck in the same place same SME same paygrade forever

even demotivating the subordinate to be contented lol
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 23 2025, 08:25 PM)
Well you can believe it or not. Even my ex boss also told me in our industry our job prospects is really limited. Not much options. You got like only 3 way out.
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I am curious... if you can share... your ex-boss's salary is how much? and if he has a mba (local or overseas or local-twinning type)...

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