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coolguy_0925
post Sep 9 2025, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 9 2025, 10:43 PM)
Haha… I know that’s not how SWR is supposed to be used.
Still, I think you get the point I was making. If spending budget drifts too far from what an “optimal” SWR should be as time goes by, then something isn’t set quite right. If that wasn’t pre-planned, then it’s a signal to adjust and relook.

In my case, spending as a % of portfolio has also dropped a lot... though not as much as yours, unfortunately… haha. I rationalize it by telling myself I’m still relatively young, even though already FIRE’d, so it’s okay.

But in your case, a 0.75% SWR is insanely good. From one angle, it basically means there’s virtually no chance of ever depleting your wealth. Even if all you did was park it in EPF earning 6%, your balance would still compound at ~5.25% a year… forever.
And the 0.75% budget is just growing at inflation rate of official 3%.....

Which leads to the obvious question: did you actually intend to underspend by that much or just how things turned out? your age? way below 50 or above?
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I think the biggest difference is that you have family and kids to shoulder while I am on my own

Other family member I only cover the house part while food, transportation is on ownself

Not like purposely forced to underspend, used to frugal spending since young for example, no aircon while sleeping unless scorching hot

ya still more than a dacade to be able to touch EPF
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post Sep 9 2025, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 9 2025, 11:10 PM)
understand... the age part is good enough reason to have a low swr... its up to each what's a comfortable number to set despite the normal 4% advice (usually minus a bit for buffer)... although i think as one ages, that swr can be up'ed.

one thing for sure... I need my aircon... that itself is like 40 sen every hour... lol
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but you see, just for discussion, even 4% is consumed but I am getting average 5% ROI

isn't inflation the only element that will eat into your stash

unless wanna be so negative to start talking about *touch wood* disaster hitting but if wanna go to that exten there will be no end

just saying, on aircon part, it won't affect your SWR % because say RM0.40 for 18 hours for 365 days is less than RM3k so pls keep using to contribute
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post Sep 10 2025, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Sep 9 2025, 11:45 PM)
0.75% per year at retirement?

Thats way too much underspending.
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I agree

Nevertheless, personal circumstances also play important part in this

I am sure if I need to sponsor a kid attending university the SWR % will definately not that low

Also, being free from fixed commitment such as housing loan also freed up a big chuck of % there

QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 10 2025, 08:13 AM)
or over rich...  biggrin.gif
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compare up not enough

compare down got more than enough

but definately blessed to be able to affort food & shelter
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post Sep 10 2025, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 10 2025, 08:31 PM)
While many/most here had posted about "alot/alot more than most/enough for early passive retirement use.

Few years ago, PIDM conducted a sample survey/study of amount of emergency funds by Malaysians found

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Yes

That's why Malaysia once MCO have to give loan moratorium + one-off EPF withdrawals but for more than one time
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post Sep 16 2025, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 16 2025, 05:52 PM)
Funny you brought this up… before trying to convince you that promotions usually come with decent bumps, I thought its best I check my old records.
Turns out you’re right. When I was promoted, my increment was a glorious 5%. What a sad joke.

The good part came later though: raises every 6 months for some years. I suspect that was partly due to profitability, and partly to bring my pay in line with peers (most of whom were like 15 to 20 years older than me).

So maybe it’s still worth taking the chance and climbing the ladder...
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Last time I also heard like only get annual increment x2 when promoted

And, at times they will 'adjust' slowly to 'weighted average'

For those above the average then GG the % become slowly lesser

Now looks like these practices are very common for MNCs
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post Sep 20 2025, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 20 2025, 06:36 PM)
Hate to break it to you, but not really… every firm, whether European, American, Malaysian, Singaporean or Chinaman, puts itself first. Everyone is expendable and is just a replaceable resource.

That’s also why companies and business owners loudly dislike the FIRE movement. The fewer choices employees have, the more control stays with them.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2025, 06:55 PM)
Generally most companies are like that.

I met a girl working in shell, I was wow shell have so much benefit. They really try not to laid off their worker if sick by moving them around and will unless really sick, give you buy shares of shell at discount to market price, amazing health car benefits Vs my previously non existent benefit 😂

And she was with shell for like 8 years already. Her first company and didn't quit shell.

Gave me a good impression of shell. But yeah. Maybe this is just an exception.
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Basically, those benefits you mentioned are a standard for established MNCs speaking from previous employment experience

Still doesn't mean you are not expendable or replaceable like Wedchar mentioned

Just Google search Shell retrenchment and they did on & off retrenchment exercise in Msia + globally by them when business was bad

Even some other MNCs offering the benefits that you mentioned also did it, just silently

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post Sep 20 2025, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2025, 11:20 PM)
I know but she was telling me last time finding HR was finding a place for him as much as possible. But because they cannot find a job for him because of his medical condition, they have to let him go. I was impressed.

Also their medical benefit is like way better than my non existent benefit. If a person is no moving from their job is likely they like the working environment. Cause if you are like me and many people who hate their work place, definitely jump ship at first opportunity. Of course people jump ship to get pay rise.
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LOL at the bold part

This is to avoid kena drag to Industrial Court lah

MNC very good at this they will do all these basic stuff to prevent kena case, and that is why their HR has the headcount probably of your entire company. They hire IR Manager to manage all these

Even someone caught sleeping in workplace on the job also have to give counselling first for multiple times before getting booted

Well can't blame you because you mentioned your ex company doesn't even have basic medical coverage
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post Sep 21 2025, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 21 2025, 03:49 AM)
Sometimes… I’m wondering… a person with his calibre, initiative and determination… why is he not able to find employment with a high-end company…

Why does he end-up with chinaman-like companies, little-to-no-medical benefits… toxic work environment, etc…

Mysteries of life there….
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At least now we know why some Malaysian companies still can survive today by offering salary & benefits that barely meet labour law requirement grin.gif
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post Sep 21 2025, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 21 2025, 09:42 PM)
Good luck.
Ya lo.
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Indeed

Can't blame them, supply & demand

Offering bare minimum still people come on time everyday to earn money for me

What reason should I increase the $$$

* It helps the bosses reach FI / RE faster grin.gif

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post Sep 21 2025, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 21 2025, 09:50 PM)
Actually now my company is better than the old one.

No more working like a donkey, leaves and public holiday is counted as extra hours, medical coverage for myself, spouse and kids
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Like I said previously

These are bare minimum for an MNC

Nothing to sing about

Wait till you get flexi benefits (spectacles, personal insurance, gym), extra AL, Work from Home, ESOS, housing loan subsidy, car loan subsidy, winter clothing allowance for BT dan lain-lain

Yawns...

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post Sep 22 2025, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 22 2025, 08:48 AM)
Usually housing loan subsidy or some car loan subsidy are for the higher level. Some stocks related benefit also for the higher benefits. Yeah, I think a lot of MNC also have other supplement benefits, which includes flexi hours, WFH, additional medical coverage
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I was not a high level staff and still got my loan subsidy for both housing loan & car loan (only condition is to prove you have a loan)

Those higher rank in the company got even more luxurious ones, meaning higher amount of money in form of allowance (but the condition is for eg. you cannot drive a Proton Saga you must drive a minimum certain criteria car then only they will entitle you for the allowance)

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Sep 22 2025, 04:40 PM)
I don't mean like very high. Sometimes some just 1-2x above the fresh to motivate the lower ranking staff to perform. Of course there are other MNCs which have it be it in entry level. For higher level some getting ~2K for the car allowance - so can easily get a 3 series or C Class.
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Mine was at entry level so yes it does exist

But not high amount like few thousand given to those Director level lah, enough to cover loan interest nia
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post Sep 22 2025, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 22 2025, 05:05 PM)
I got no subsidy for loan. Usually only those working in the banks get those perks.
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Well you are already appreciative for a basic health coverage so not hard tot ell you don't have one

Wrong again. I never worked with a bank, the one given me such benefit is not a financial institution
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 22 2025, 12:11 PM)
Ramjade did mention that not all his trades are profitable as he did say he kena exercised before. Rare but still kena.
mtm will definitely swing; it’s just that he views his strategy as long-term profitable.

your friend's portfolio is performing great... looks like he didn’t cut exposure in April and managed to ride the big rally all the way till now.

eh eh...cannot cannot... don’t encourage the likes of RamJade to go fire... how are business owners supposed to score cheap labour?
Whenever someone succeed, spin tonnes of negative narratives to shame them. It’s never the firm’s fault, it’s always the employee too stupid.  lol  whistling.gif  brows.gif
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now in MNC a fresh grad rate is like RM4,000 some even more

and you're telling me you are uni grad & have multiple years of experience working in Klang Valley but only RM5,000, and only 30s

even me not in KV with limited number of MNC even I don't go approach also headhunter will call what

so it definately raise questions, not to shame or say him stupid

unless you're stuck in a non value added job or refuse to take a step further, I don't blame such person but come on then don't push the blame to company for not paying more
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 22 2025, 05:23 PM)
I didn't say I am in MNC. So like I said my salary is capped and there is nothing I can do about it. You have to accept it that not everyone can climb the corporate ladder.
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Did I say you're in a MNC? I put that as a reference for a FRESH

And like I said it definately raise questions why is it capped

Either you refuse to grow, attitude problem, or simply you are contented with your job

But again, not saying you're wrong by not wanting to climb. But don't blame boss for "capping" your salary

No such thing as I want to stay in comfort zone but I want more money
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 22 2025, 05:29 PM)
Up to you if you don't want to believe me that my salary is capped no matter what I do.

I don't bother about salary anymore as investment is easier and less stressful than my job. Take the path of least resistance.
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LOL well no wonder your salary is capped
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 22 2025, 05:35 PM)
Like I said

It's not the boss. It the nature of the job and industry where salary is capped no matter if you jump ship to another company. There is no way to move up unless you want to take up management job by taking an MBA.

As long as you got no MBA yeah your salary is capped. But do I want to take up management and be a bureaucrat? Nope.
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Yeah then don't complain it is the boss that not paying

It is you wanting to stay at comfort zone

And wrong again

You sure must have an MBA for a Management position? Even those in my MNC co without MBA can be Senior Director

ok... now I know why you're capped


Broaden your mindddddddddd
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 22 2025, 05:44 PM)
It's true. In my industry you need MBA. If not you are stuck. If you got no MBA, nobody wants you.
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well it was your own choice nobody forced you to enter that industry right

too bad for you then

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 22 2025, 05:52 PM)
You play with what cards you are dealt with.

That's why I focus on investment. Because in investment I got no capped. The capped is only by the market returns (which I cannot control) and my portfolio value (which I can control somewhat)
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Well we were wondering why you said your salary was capped, and obviously your so called reasons is never convincing

nothing to do with your focus on investment that is not the concern, but well that's the only card you have to spin away from it so not gonna expect you to stop using it

nvm at least we know now grin.gif

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Sep 22 2025, 10:19 PM)
Everything you said is fair and reasonable… but that doesn’t make his venting wrong either. His experience is his experience, and that’s valid to him.

Honestly, there must be a ton of reasons why the median salary in Malaysia is still around RM3K in 2025. I’ve been baffled about it myself since the day I started working here. Water flows via the path of least resistance, rite?
Ramjade found something that works and stuck with it, and that’s the smart way to go.

When you compare 5K active income against passive income that’s 2–3x bigger, obviously passive is easier. But the real question is: would it be easier to push active income from RM5K to RM15K, or to keep doubling down on passive?

Anyway, this is a FIRE thread. His journey is pretty inspirational in this context, and credit to him for being open enough to share.
If he’d asked about career paths in a career thread, my advice would’ve been more career-focused smile.gif
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Well from the beginning I mentioned it is not wrong wanting to be staying in comfort zone

But don't hope getting paid something lucrative if only want to do this and nothing more. That was what my message all about

And that is also why MY is stuck at low income because majority of the job nature doesn't involve high value add, mainly manufacturing from step A to step Z

Well yes this is FIRE thread, career and salary is also playing a part in the journey of FIRE

No salary to begin with unless got windfall + Daddykasi otherwise FIRE on what basis? grin.gif

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