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post Jun 26 2023, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Jun 23 2023, 10:44 AM)
You still can contribute to the society. Why need FIRE?

FIRE is stupid and already prove to be failure
You will die faster if you on FIRE.
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FIRE is only for those who wants financial freedom and passion for those who wants to pursue their own ideas and lifestyle 🤦‍♀️ a good example would by my dad who already fire since early 1990s and yet he is in 80s and doing round the world trip doing adventurous stuff like hiking and nature trips as when you FIRE you would live even healthier life than ever 🤦‍♀️ rather doing the rat race which would shorten life more

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post Jun 27 2023, 06:37 AM

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post Jul 1 2023, 02:55 PM

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im pretty sure i have achieved financial freedom.

but to reach financial abundance in your 30s, sounds difficult as you need more capital for the remaining years.
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post Jul 1 2023, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Jun 26 2023, 05:49 PM)
FIRE is only for those who wants financial freedom and passion for those who wants to pursue their own ideas and lifestyle 🤦‍♀️ a good example would by my dad who already fire since early 1990s and yet he is in 80s and doing round the world trip doing adventurous stuff like hiking and nature  trips as when you FIRE you would live even healthier life than ever 🤦‍♀️ rather doing the rat race which would shorten life more
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Thats nice, so he FIRE-d in his 50s?

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post Jul 1 2023, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 1 2023, 02:55 PM)
im pretty sure i have achieved financial freedom.

but to reach financial abundance in your 30s, sounds difficult as you need more capital for the remaining years.
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but what is financial abundance?

judging from how we Malaysians/Asians think/plan, basically if we have enough to leave something behind for our descendant(s), it means we already achieved it.

The article's definition of financial independence excludes this rite?
note: most of us here take it that FIRE must leave something behind...
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post Jul 1 2023, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 1 2023, 03:23 PM)
but what is financial abundance?

judging from how we Malaysians/Asians think/plan, basically if we have enough to leave something behind for our descendant(s), it means we already achieved it.

The article's definition of financial independence excludes this rite? 
note: most of us here take it that FIRE must leave something behind...
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financial abundance means keep spending until cannot finish loh... which FIRE doesn't gel well with this...

FIRE doesn't mean need to leave behind something to our descendants...enough for you to sustain your lifestyle while not working is the basis of FIRE.
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post Jul 1 2023, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 1 2023, 03:56 PM)
financial abundance means keep spending until cannot finish loh... which FIRE doesn't gel well with this...

FIRE doesn't mean need to leave behind something to our descendants...enough for you to sustain your lifestyle while not working is the basis of FIRE.
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Agree with your understanding of FIRE, but if you read this forum thread, many will not agree with you.... somehow Malaysians feel the need to leave something behind and they build it in their FIRE process.

Financial abundance doesn't mean keep spending until cannot finish lar... because if you think there is a max to what you can spend, all it means is you lack imagination... tongue.gif
From the article, it seems to be just FIRE + leave something behind. Sure, the FIRE can be obese FIRE...
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post Jul 1 2023, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 1 2023, 04:04 PM)
Agree with your understanding of FIRE, but if you read this forum thread, many will not agree with you.... somehow Malaysians feel the need to leave something behind and they build it in their FIRE process.

Financial abundance doesn't mean keep spending until cannot finish lar... because if you think there is a max to what you can spend, all it means is you lack imagination...  tongue.gif
From the article, it seems to be just FIRE + leave something behind. Sure, the FIRE can be obese FIRE...
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so i mean, if you can hit a traditional FIRE at the age of 35 for example, then you can't possibly hit financial abundance aka fat FIRE at that age...

fat FIRE is only possible later in life...

anyone here has fat FIRE in 30s?

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post Jul 1 2023, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 1 2023, 04:04 PM)
Agree with your understanding of FIRE, but if you read this forum thread, many will not agree with you.... somehow Malaysians feel the need to leave something behind and they build it in their FIRE process.

Financial abundance doesn't mean keep spending until cannot finish lar... because if you think there is a max to what you can spend, all it means is you lack imagination...  tongue.gif
From the article, it seems to be just FIRE + leave something behind. Sure, the FIRE can be obese FIRE...
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imho... no need to worry about definitions and such...

as long as passive income can comfortably sustain you and your spouse without drawing down capital... very good liao... your kids will most likely get your house(s), all monies leftover, and FIRE also... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 1 2023, 05:12 PM)
imho... no need to worry about definitions and such...

as long as passive income can comfortably sustain you and your spouse without drawing down capital... very good liao... your kids will most likely get your house(s), all monies leftover, and FIRE also... biggrin.gif
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kids get to FIRE from your FIRE..

fuyoh i never thought of that
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post Jul 1 2023, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 1 2023, 05:12 PM)
so i mean, if you can hit a traditional FIRE at the age of 35 for example, then you can't possibly hit financial abundance aka fat FIRE at that age...

fat FIRE is only possible later in life...

anyone here has fat FIRE in 30s?
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that article says 30 years to abundance... so if start working at 20s + 30 yrs = 50 yo
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 1 2023, 05:12 PM)
imho... no need to worry about definitions and such...

as long as passive income can comfortably sustain you and your spouse without drawing down capital... very good liao... your kids will most likely get your house(s), all monies leftover, and FIRE also... biggrin.gif
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Keyword is sustainable. Mine is similar but I take into consideration inflation. So whatever income I have say 5%, I only use 2% assuming inflation is 3%.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 1 2023, 05:15 PM)
that article says 30 years to abundance... so if start working at 20s + 30 yrs = 50 yo
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yeah, but we don't wanna follow the normal route...

we wanna speed up process...

age 50 passive 20k per mth, enough? for now, i only spend around 2.5k makan and expenses...

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post Jul 1 2023, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 1 2023, 05:12 PM)
so i mean, if you can hit a traditional FIRE at the age of 35 for example, then you can't possibly hit financial abundance aka fat FIRE at that age...

fat FIRE is only possible later in life...

anyone here has fat FIRE in 30s?
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well, sometimes one can get lucky even after normal FIRE.... like kena lottery or hobby work earns extra money...
more likely than not, its one of one's asset like a particular stock suddenly became a 100 bagger... who knows... can still be fat after normal FIRE. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 1 2023, 05:27 PM)
well, sometimes one can get lucky even after normal FIRE.... like kena lottery or hobby work earns extra money...
more likely than not, its one of one's asset like a particular stock suddenly became a 100 bagger...  who knows... can still be fat after normal FIRE.  biggrin.gif
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thats true...

jackpot, suddenly sell a very successful business to google etc... under extreme circumstances..

but for normal people, very unlikely
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 1 2023, 05:12 PM)
imho... no need to worry about definitions and such...

as long as passive income can comfortably sustain you and your spouse without drawing down capital... very good liao... your kids will most likely get your house(s), all monies leftover, and FIRE also... biggrin.gif
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just for discussion sake only... cos I notice we here loves to say FIRE but in reality, we also planned FIRE for our kids...

exactly like what you mentioned here....

pretend pretend someone FIRE at 45 with 10 million.... but remain conservative and only drawdown part of one's passive income... suddenly pass away at 60... I dare say the descendants will be able to retire early due to inheritance. drool.gif
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Jul 1 2023, 03:03 PM)
Thats nice, so he FIRE-d in his 50s?
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Close to it late 40ish


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QUOTE(gashout @ Jul 1 2023, 05:19 PM)
yeah, but we don't wanna follow the normal route...

we wanna speed up process...

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ponzi leader lor... tongue.gif

des why so many cases here... evade tax left and right... get rich quick scams everywhere...

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Jul 1 2023, 08:02 PM)
ponzi leader lor... tongue.gif

des why so many cases here... evade tax left and right... get rich quick scams everywhere...
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agree... taxes owed rightfully should be settled properly. not worth the headache unless we are billionaires who has lawyers at our disposal. like certain PMs.

unfortunately, or fortunately (as it means anyone can do it), the best way is to cut out unnecessary expenses.... luxury goods and services spending would be the first everyone should target.

If only I can go back in time and tell my younger self in his 20s not to eat at expensive restaurants, cut down on eating sweet stuff and cut down on branded coffee like starbucks... I think per month would have saved a few K already.

Imagine every 1K rm saved back then actually means can spend extra 3 rm per month now.

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 1 2023, 05:30 PM)
just for discussion sake only... cos I notice we here loves to say FIRE but in reality, we also planned FIRE for our kids...

exactly like what you mentioned here....

pretend pretend someone FIRE at 45 with 10 million.... but remain conservative and only drawdown part of one's passive income... suddenly pass away at 60... I dare say the descendants will be able to retire early due to inheritance.  drool.gif
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des why i thinking park money in kid's epf now... so they cannot squander all of it all at once when we gg... or kena con... at least their retirement is also secured... haiz... what we do for our kids nowadays... lol...


QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Jul 1 2023, 08:19 PM)
agree... taxes owed rightfully should be settled properly. not worth the headache unless we are billionaires who has lawyers at our disposal. like certain PMs.

unfortunately, or fortunately (as it means anyone can do it), the best way is to cut out unnecessary expenses.... luxury goods and services spending would be the first everyone should target.

If only I can go back in time and tell my younger self in his 20s not to eat at expensive restaurants, cut down on eating sweet stuff and cut down on branded coffee like starbucks... I think per month would have saved a few K already.

Imagine every 1K rm saved back then actually means can spend extra 3 rm per month now.
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so many other ppl evading tax man... our pmx insistence on no gst is bad imho... this just helps the lari tax tongkat ppl... they should lower income tax and whack consumption tax kao kao... this way the lari tax ppl cannot also spend spend spend... hahaha...

but seriously speaking... with global warming, higher air-con use... reduce electricity subsidies... really need to adjust our inflation forecast liao...


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