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post Apr 17 2025, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Apr 16 2025, 09:24 PM)
Your April2025 returns r as impressive esp with the market turbulence due to tariffs.
With your track record, if  capital is 1mil, would return >200k/year, can FIRE already.
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beauty of selling option is... you can be wrong with market direction and yet still make money... wink.gif

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post Apr 17 2025, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 17 2025, 09:41 AM)
There you go. Exactly is the ex banker said. You can bet wrong and still make money. Been there and done that.
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bro, btw... "Statistically 90% of options expired worthless" is not 100% true biggrin.gif

"Fact: According to the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE), only 10% of option contracts are exercised. That does NOT mean 90% of options contracts then expire worthless.

Instead, the CBOE reports that 55% to 60% of options contracts are closed out prior to expiration. This changes everything. Whether those options are closed out for a gain or a loss isn’t know, but it shows that 90% of options do not, in fact, expire worthless."

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post Apr 20 2025, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 19 2025, 07:45 PM)
Yes, this is the advantage,......... thumbup.gif

If the strike position is not reached even though the bet is in the wrong direction,... the same party who is betting in the direction will 'still be winning',... However, in a volatile mkt like April 2nd onwards,... the volatility will definitely 'reach the strike position',... if someone can still choose a position 'strong enough' to survive the volatility,...

Hehe,... then that player must really share his skill with others. No need to talk abt BNM, licencing etc,... just share with close friends and family,... help others to make money too, right ? Sure-win here,......

And,....... surely, some organization will come offer him money to 'invest' too.
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even if the strike is reached... doesnt mean seller loses immediately... it can fall back below and OTM by expiry... wink.gif

you don't need a lot of skills with options... tongue.gif everything you need has been calculated... its just a "tedious" statistics game with limited winnings... yes it is sure win when statistically relevant...

why our ppl here dun play a lot of options?... lack of education... our first exposure... bursa... dun have options... black-scholes and greeks scares a lot of ppl...

ive mentioned before one of my kids wanna learn trading... options will be first priority i teach laugh.gif

anyways... why you like to kacau bro Ramjade?... let him earn his easy money in peace lah... hahaha...

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post Apr 21 2025, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(ruben7389 @ Apr 21 2025, 09:31 AM)
👍 Nice

I just try to plan for 120 years age since medical improvements have increased lifespan. I think last 50 years lifespan has prob increased by 30 years anyways

But for the moment I ain't planning to leave anything to my kids. I don't trust this new generation to be able to continue the wealth building, rather will spend it all. I guess I can still change my mind at a later stage

What u guys think? Leave assets to next generation? Will it be built in or spent ? Appreciate your views
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i will enjoy my hard earn money... its mine afterall

but will also leave some for the kids... my choice to have them... my fault they end up char siew... just saying

anyways should have enough to go around... have already started transferring funds to their epf and fd accounts...

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post Apr 21 2025, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(ruben7389 @ Apr 21 2025, 09:54 AM)
Cool

Personally for me,
I'm just very weary of them. Have seen too many stories where the kids get the parents to transfer all then tell them also to sell their house (or transfer the house to their name to cash out a loan) and then ask them to come stay with and take care grandkids, after grandkids start going to school, the wife of the son (usually son) start kicking up a storm and parents get so unformfortable and move out and kids also don't want to support them after having taken away their properties etc

Few months ago also I was at tiger bank and this old uncle next counter came to bank and asked to check for the house and car grant as he previously took loan with them, bank staff said no more redi cos sold last year. The kids ask him to sign etc without telling him for what (old guy so maybe can't see properly to trust kids too much) and he signed. Kids took the money and changed their phone numbers and chao. He himself was telling the bank staff. Now he no house, no car, no epf and wife also passed away, he also said don't know what to do

I see all this and hear all these, haiyo very saddening la. Especially to have that at that age.... So disheartening
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well... you know your kids best... so plan accordingly lor...

very sad case but a different problem than if one should leave money for their kids... although if kids think they are not getting a penny... they might try scam you of everything instead...

old liao with dementia... very vulnerable oh...

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post Apr 22 2025, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Apr 21 2025, 11:34 PM)
understand... very rare to know of a person that is ok to drawdown on principal...
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lots of ppl drawdown principal... not rare at all...

giving fire level type principal to the kids at one's expense... now that is rare...

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post Aug 15 2025, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(frostfrench @ Aug 15 2025, 12:02 PM)
I have been FI for few years, and this week, I have been thinking my child's uni education, which going to happen in 9 years time.

I was wondering, what are the ways u guys are doing for yr child's uni education? Hoping I will be well prepared smile.gif
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you had 5 mil in 2021... guessing you have more now...

1 mil is more than enough for your kid's education today... setting 1-2 mil aside in fd should be way more than enough when the time comes...

i accumulated some usd in case my kids wanna go overseas, but they all chose to study in Malaysia... its not necessary but just an option fyi...

imho... you have more than enough funds... so dont need to risk more to earn more... preservation is the keyword...

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post Aug 16 2025, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(frostfrench @ Aug 16 2025, 05:00 PM)
Yes, I have more than 5 mil now, but not like alot, did burn my self a bit in KLSE.

A big chunk is in FD yes, cause of the good rates, but now the rates are so low and next year might be lower.

my biggest worry is inflation lor.

I like one of the foruumer's suggestion, " spend like B40"  tongue.gif
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fees for local private university for 4 yrs is around 100k... when escalated at 4% inflation... you need 142k in 9 yrs time...

fees and inflation for studies at uk us etc will be different... but you have it covered... if you have a 'final destination'... i can help with the calculation if it helps you sleep better... smile.gif

it helps when one sees the actual numbers instead of just arbitrary discussions...

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post Aug 19 2025, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(boyboycute @ Aug 19 2025, 11:09 AM)
Unker is bringing an alternative perspective which wasn't discussed in this Forum.

A lot fella are talking about FIRE.

Unker being through FIRE and came back alive to tell you all the true story.

Try FIRE first, then we can talk.

Talking about FIRE doesn't mean anything without actually FIRE
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yes... spousal disputes can be a real problem...

but when wife starts nagging husband only after he retires not before, usually means husband is the source...

it has nothing to do with FIRE per se...

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post Aug 19 2025, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(vaksin @ Aug 19 2025, 11:42 AM)
my issue, can fired but wife dunwan.
because have to take motorbike, now drive SUV.
so continue work corporate slave lorrr...
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i fire at 50... waifu dun wan...

send her take lrt lor... save so much petrol n parking... lol...

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post Aug 19 2025, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(vaksin @ Aug 19 2025, 03:11 PM)
now M40, if FIRE become B40...
so sacrifice self for family...
i plan can do grab food if boring watch Netflix at home...
consider exercise also...
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FIRE only when one can stay home shake leg... otherwise i advice dun...

i have many t20 friends... they dun consider FIRE also...

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post Aug 19 2025, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 19 2025, 02:15 PM)
I've been lucky to have been asked to go garden leave a couple of times before I moved to a new organisation.

I can't even do a month of that, so RE is an alien concept to me. FI is what I'm chasing, as what the famous saying goes, get your f- you money.

Then we can decide what we want to do with our time.
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you didn't plan for it... you didn't want it... hence your body rejected it... like an infection...

but everyone will retire eventually at 60/+... no drama now because it is inevitable...

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post Aug 19 2025, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Aug 19 2025, 05:32 PM)
Life would be boring if like that, right?
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meant to say... comfortable retirement, no worries about money... not stay home do nothing...

sorry i wasnt clear enough... smile.gif

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post Aug 19 2025, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(batman1172 @ Aug 19 2025, 05:53 PM)
Many don’t consider work as work. Extreme case is warren buffet that poor fellow have to work until 90 only can FIRE. Can shake leg at 60 also dun want.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Aug 19 2025, 06:28 PM)
For all you know that might have been fire he desired... to him..... enjoying life to the fullest......as long as he feels good who are we to say otherwise ....fire might have lost its novelty if people trying to compare too much....
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one can say he doesn't have a life outside of stocks and companies... someone who cant let go... unlike say, bill gates who is visibly out to help humanity...

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post Aug 21 2025, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Aug 20 2025, 11:47 PM)
well.... malaysia did go through this at least once (a version at least) rite? Asian Financial Crisis...

and one may even argue that we are in one currently.... ringgit crash from 2.99xx to 4.2.... is this not a crash?  brows.gif  hmm.gif

pretty much either diversified before the crash, or deep cuts in spending.
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no... not the same... we did not have an inflation crisis...

yes... ringgit crashed against major currencies... but cost of living didnt blow up...

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post Aug 21 2025, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Aug 20 2025, 11:20 PM)
If I have 7mil n assuming average annual returns of 7%, I will drawdown 2% for expenses(11667/month) n leave 5% to counter inflation. My child will inherit the plan as I believe it will be hard to accumulate wealth from vocation in the AI n deglobalisation era. Need to pray that MY not becoming like Turkey.
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are you retired/FIRE?

you have 1 kid? what is he studying?

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post Aug 21 2025, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(magika @ Aug 20 2025, 09:35 PM)
Angmoh do safe withdrawal rate of around 4% which is basically eating into the principal at a survival rate around 20 to 25 years. It is essentially created by CONsultants to steer into their investment thingy as most people are thus convinced that it's not enough for their retirement needs.

In Malaysia we have a so far reliable vehicle called epf which historically has given us maybe +- 5.5% dividen pa. Whats so incredible about this is we do not need angmoh style of safe withdrawal ( principal being drawn down) but implement our own model of withdrawing just the dividends for our expenses. It beats their style in that we are able to withdraw( hopefully) +-5.5% yearly perpetually (100years old) without depleting our principal. By using this model plus using drawdown method also we do not need so high a retirement sum.
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actually... our epf retirement framework uses a starting withdrawal at 5%, and escalate this at 5.4% for subsequent years... much more than angmoh... since average epf dividend has been 5.85%... still ok not drawing down principal

if we consider only our own "selfish survival"... then principal drawdown is not a real issue and should be included... cant take with us when we gg...

as for leaving money behind for our kid... my thinking is why wait until gg?... can use this money to help them build wealth early...

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post Aug 21 2025, 01:10 PM

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epf framework on enhanced retirement is 1.3 mil for 60 yo

i back engineered for FIRE... you need 1.6 mil for 55, and 1.8 mil for 50...

i trust this 6 yr university malaya study more than you guys pulling numbers from thin air... lol... who doesn't want to retire with billions smile.gif

anyways... i understand your insecurities... so to each your own

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post Aug 21 2025, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 21 2025, 01:40 PM)
How many more years from now to take to reach 55 or 50?
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the framework reference basis is Jan 2026...

so if one FIRE at 50 in 2016... gotta discount the 1.8 mil to the proper money of the day...


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post Aug 21 2025, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(gobiomani @ Aug 21 2025, 03:19 PM)
This UM research is the one that EPF use to come up with the 3 tiers of retirement adequacy is it? Where to find details of the research?
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https://umcms.um.edu.my/sites/social-wellbe...ns-belanjawanku

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