u need latest war machine to fight CCP.
CCP have 4.5gen fighter, so if Taiwan really wish to defend themself, need gen5 fighter to effectively win CCP.

do you expect an old tech Gen4 fighter can with CCP Gen 4.5 fighter?

Taiwan requested to buy it but USA not willing to sell it to Taiwan.
They sell to Singapore also don;t sell to taiwan.

USA also go keep rogol Taiwan for own benefit.
Let USA rogol but cannot do anything, is really a pity.
better go check out how many company been rogol by USA "long-arm law".
https://techtaiwan.com/20210929/tsmc-neutrality-chip/

Your argument is because of Taiwan does not have F35 so this does means that all Taiwan military hardware is outdated?

should get this :

It is a good strategy by TUDM. Firstly TUDM technical staff and engineers have 25 years of maintaining and upgrading TUDM 8 unit of F18D Hornet to F18D-25C Hornet. And for the past 25 years since 1995 non of the 8 F18D Hornet has any incident. Hence maintenance no issue. Pilot also familiar only when get more jets need more pilot

If unable to get 28 but if can get 16 from kuwait with F18C and F18D variant and upgrade to same standard as current  8TUDM F18D it would be good , then TUDM will have 24 F18D / C Hornets.

The area maybe is the improve the cockpit to LCD display , with GPS

Looking at current and next few years situation, it is worth to look at this jets

US also can do the same, like what you are stated
US have the most advance satellite in the world right now and even their commercial can go until 100m depth resolution

plus US have surveillance over china all the time even (well, they are paranoid)

so let me just entertain your idea of a torrent of J16 and  J-20 going on massive Pre-Emptive strike on Taiwan
does not this massive movement on the air base will triggered the defcon of the US which lead to alerting its ally on the potential offensive activity.

Taiwan is not that dumb, they will retaliate as much as they can to defend themselves while waiting on it's ally to launch counter offensive towards China itself.

Like I always said, "the first one that pull the trigger will lose the war"

so nobody will actually pulls the trigger, acah2 victim je banyak baik Taiwan dan West Taiwan
Taiwan kalau serang China memang la tak akan menang
But if China is the one that pulls the first trigger then ROCAF may not win, tapi does nto meant that they unable to give a bloody eye or two. Taiwan also have almost the same doctrine as is which is defence and not offensive. One more thing that people always forget, stealth on radar does not meant there is no way for your enemy to detect you.

Off course Taiwan won't win. They just want to give west Taiwan a bloody nose.

The conquest of Taiwan would come at the cost of ten of thousands of Chinese soldier lives as taiwanese resist their attempt to invade. It would take few months to a year to occupied Taiwan and it would come at the cost of international sanction which would allowed US moral standing to blockage the Malacca & Hormuz straits & cut off west Taiwan oil supply.
West Taiwan economy & even citizens standard of living would go down the drains.

And after invading the west Taiwan would occupied a hostile citizens who has no problem doing all insurgency asymmetrical warfare that Afgan employed. Then they have to liberate Malacca & Hormuz straits pulak.

That's why normal wumao all shout victim shouldn't scream, fight back nor called the polis. Just kangkang kaw kaw and get raped quietly. Because if the victim fight back CCP ain't going to be around anymore.

I don't know

Probably the guy think you are glorifying MCP.
Which is illegal btw under our democratic law

If you in sinki then polis would knocked your door any minute now
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...rference-online

Comparing a multirole jet & a air superiority fighter then come to a conclusion that air superiority fighter good at flying 😂

It's like comparing a kapchai & a ninja 650 and conclude ninja are bad because you can't smoke, riding in jam is a pain nor got a bakul to buy groceries.

Yes J20 & F35 is a stealth jet just like a kapchai & ninja is a motor. The lack of powerful engine & limited flight control software & hardware mean J20 is more aerodynamic & stable due to canard which help in flying superiority but are bad for stealth. J20 is most likely stealth at the side but not the front or rear.Chinese stealth can only fight other jet and can't really be use for ground target or maritime strike something the F35 can do, and would be used for.

J20 habis peluru boleh patah balik but F35B abis peluru just need to find a flat deck LPD nearby. LPD ain't expensive, almost everyone getting one  even Sinki are going to get 4. Even if they don't want it, US going to make them get one. Also some amphibious IFV while at it.

And NO anglo Saxon with their superiority in radar tech ain't going to fight within visual range. Seriously if you yourself can figure out a scenario that give Chinese the advantage how on earth you expect the anglo Saxon not to realized it as well and NOT do it. They are going to stay BVR. At Beyond visual range, you don't need anything more then a Gripen C to shoot at Chinese jet. Gripen as it is, is basically just a LCA with BVR capabilities to hunt Sukhoi. It's basically just a $30 mil jet with $2 mil aesa radar. It's pretty much a low entry point for other to join in . They all going for F35B to be use as Gripen at sea and create a LIFT/LCA that function like a Gripen highway landing on land.
Also air superiority platforms like tempest,NGAD ,FA-XX,. Mitsubishi FX,FCAS are online by 2030s. They purposefully create a multiple versions of the same thing to increase their chances of being undetectable. The Chinese then need to chase 6 different programs to identify & locate all 6 different jet.

If you want to fight the American in 1 on 1. Then go fight in the Pasific. The fact the Chinese are doing it in everyone else backyard tell another story. Sendiri fail in the foreign policies design don't blame others people. Asian for asian is something people had heard before. No one going to fall for it again.

As good as a wolf worrior is, they can't do anything against a wolf pack.why do you think the other asian are betting on the Anglo Saxon? Anglo Saxon promised protection, food & spoiled of war if they join them. What does the Chinese offer to other asian other then me big strong, you kangkang let me rape. You don't call police or fight so  Me puas. You go dapur make me dinner. Why the f**k would people even entertain it?

Even if china want to soften up their stand, anglo Saxon won't allowed them and all it does it give an impression of weakness & more young wolf going to join the pack.they ain't going to risk and all out confrontation, they will encircle, bite it when the lone wolf are preoccupied with other wolf, rinse & repeat. They are going for death by a thousand cuts just like they did USSR.

Off course people don't know
Russia & china refuse to bring their supposed to be stealth jet out😂🤣

Only murica are confidence enough to bring their stealth jet out & sell it around, let people review it, give people data for comparison. Why do you think that is?🤔  What you are doing is comparing reality (F35.since all the data are out there in public domain) vs a fantasy (what you believe J20 is capable off, without hard data to back it off)
Without any data, let make some educated guess on how stealth J20 is.
1)it got a canard. So it likely won't be stealth from the front,down or up.
2) poor engine, thus design is bit more aerodynamic then f35/F22 thus reflex radar more
3) no exhausted cover like f22, which mean huge IR signature from the back,
4) lack of engine power leads to straight intake which help in performance but would light up like a Christmas tree in IR signature from the front

So personally, i really doubt J20 is really that stealthy, if anything i think j20 like su57 are just propoganda tools & not real front line fighters. If anything it just another F22, a prototype aka product technological demonstrators. F22 afterall like j20 & su57 for it entire lifetimes until now as it nearing retirements seldom leave US soil.

The F22 sure is mighty, but the unreliability, high sustainment cost make it unproductive to be field in large number or to even be use in war. That's why it didn't. Same shit as J20 & Su57 i suppose. However Lesson from F22 is what make the F35. The 1st kinda workable work horse of a 5th gen fighter jet.
Let remember how hard it is to bring something from a product demonstrator to an actual product.  to make the f35, They use the mighty murica  Dollah + resources from 3 branch of their military & 28 other countries adding to engineering, manufacturing & technological strength  stand together spend hundred of billion, 20 years development period & commitments to buy thousand of it & the continues upgrade overtime from 1 batch to another & results is F35 Which still has plenty of flawed.

You really think a single country manufacturing, technological might with order of just few hundred with only 20 got built as of now build in relatively short time can make anything better than a F35? I bet you 99% chances that's it won't.

Like i said, just because a kapcai is a moto doesn't mean it is in the same league as a ninja. And despite the disadvantage of a kapchai it can still win against a civic turbo polis car as long as kapchai exploit it advantage (of being small & high acceleration in low RPM) & civic tebu disadvantage and run away from polis using small back dirt lane. So no, if people cannot dogfight they won't. Only idiots rempit go challenge polis with civic tebu with their kapchai at Highway.

So the whole J20 going to meet F22 scenario is just a mere fantasy. The mainline Chinese fighter for the foreseeable decades are J10 & J16. US aren't going to field F22. China won't attack Taiwan as long as US are controlling the Malacca & Hormuz straits.

Don't get me wrong but the warfare are going on but in the economic sectors. China has a massive bubble in the real estate & a declining population very similar to Japan few decades ago. They need to expand internationally to keep the bubbles from blowing up & thus the road & blet & what US want to do is to stop Chinese expansionism which would pop the reals estate bubble back home in china,  china has no other choice then to pull a Mahathir & eragon nationalsism doctrines & blame outsiders as usual to keep power And we know what kind of damage erdagon & mamakthir had cause.


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All this just your assumptions.so far all theory, but no real world data to backup your argument.

BTW your checkmate story kinda lame... China and Russia keep play that game their new stealth fighter is answer to us f22 ,but seriously  all still stuck at prototype stages for so long.

Even so called f35 (downgrade version)also already available for export  foreign sales.

You are really underestimating the complexity of jet design there.

Canard are there to stabilize delta wing plane though fly by wire computer.  Chinese are known to copy & pasta all kind of jet design from european, american & Russian without any ingenious design.so their jet design are varried.

Obviously the j20 is built on the J10 flight control system, which is base on Israeli trying to merge f16 with European fighter design.european back then are obsessed with speed and thus why they go with Delta wing. Delta wing are unstable that's why their next gen hey like Rafale, typhoon all has canard.

So the J20 need those canard. Not because canard are useful but because they can't eliminate it yet. Unless they can invent computer powerful enough to make the tiny adjustment to stabilize the flight with  like the European want to do with tempest & FCAS.

If the American can do it they do away with rudders either on the F22 & F35B, but for now they can't, so it stay. Something the European as well wish to eliminate as well in their 6th gen design.

You are also excessively pondering to WS10. It's a prototype not a final product. US too has a more powerful engine design by GE. But they go for the underpowered PW for F22 & F350 due to it reliability (which is in itself is not that reliable anyway)
I know you want them Chinese to win so you keep going on creating scenario of western alliance going to dogfight the Chinese. Which as I said before as dumb as a rempit challenging polis civic tebo with their kapchai. They won't. For example, Russia doctrines is all about dogfighting & such their jet are design on a flying wing concept. Which is great in maneuverability. You know what the Swedish did? Yes they build what essential just a LCA with good radar to shoot down Sukhoi from a distance. & That is proven with Thai vs Chinese joint exercise where the Gripen just annihilated the Chinese in BVR. Why do you think the Russian are dropping the flying wing concept in their checkmate.

Off course if Russian & Chinese immitate the American, then they going to spend a whole lot of kaching & time trying to make the flight control software work.its basically a new territories for them without any ability to rely on the past experiences. That's why US transition to delta wing (which is already a known superior solution back in the 60s) take so long, with incremental step for the past 60 years, even the f22/F35 is a fusion of delta wing but with an elevator still attach. Their official NGAD & FA-XX  diagram confirmed that the 6th gen is when they truly goes for a delta. 

the European through it desire to market their 6th gen program had pretty much lay out what exactly 5th & 6th gen is all about. It's is a freaking mothership with sensor fusion, flying AWACs , shared situational awareness that meant to control a swarm of loyal wingman type drone & not to go out there to play solo top gun. I mean seriously, a jet without canard, rudders, with Delta wing ain't going to be any air superiority champion nor going to be able to go slow enough for maritime & land strike. It's likely going to be a discount B22 in concept which trade the bomb with drone.

Off course the whole 6th gen tag is misleading. Personally it's more of a 5.5 gen. As I don't see why the 6th gen tech can't be converted for usage in the f35. Even GE XA100 engine meant for NGAD are being tested with F35.  F35 with it being cleared to carry nuclear bomb make for an attractive deterrence for smaller country. Sure they don't have nuclear power. But they can still use nuclear power by borrowing US nuclear power. And it's pretty balance in capabilities for cash strap country as F35 don't need the loyal wingman to operate in less contested environment to do maritime & land strike missions. The only thing is it can't do air superiority which again, i don't think any of the 6th gen can even do
Off course none of this really matter because the US still in control of suez, Hormuz & Malacca straits making any Chinese attempt at a war would be cut short due to supplies constraints. They also have domestic problem to tackle in the form of properties bubble burst, declining population and so on. So WW3 as it is for now are unlikely.

Rafale won

Because you keep on & on & on to create a stupid illogical scenario that american going to even entertain Chinese "kau anak jantan, jom dogfight lah"

And NO, Chinese are correct in going for J20 design. They have experience and expertise in delta wing flight control software tech from the J10, going here and there is akin to a dumb dog chasing her tails, won't get them anyway. Like i said J20 won't amount to anything beyond a propoganda tools & tech demonstrator. A cannardless delta wing is what the European is doing for the 6th gen fighter. So if the Chinese can't solve it themselves, just steal it i suppose, but then again, European are far more receptive to sell china stuff behind US back. So whatever stealth jet Chinese would have is the successor to J20. Not the J20 itself.
Do you know what make F22 moneuverable then Rafale despite being un aerodynamic shoe box design? Yes. The answer is a BIG FAT engine & high powered computer to calculate the fly by wire perfectly. Something that European with their multiple jet models, low sales volume can't afford to do.

I never assume anything as I never mentioned nothing about comparing the so called spec on paper. Rest of your story nothing related, yet another assumption.
Apa ini pulak.... People talking fighter jet... You derail till talking on new missiles.

Back to the question i asked...china /russia brag so much of their 5th stealth fighter... but for so so long....it never when into mass production. is it another evergrand cerita of their so called electric car concept which is so nice and advance which could dethrone tesla (if i not mistaken) type scenario.