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S400H Hybrid question, change to turbo possible? lol
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 3 2021, 02:10 PM, updated 5y ago
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I tried to search on web, don't seems able to find any related topic about S400H hybrid issue. My 1st question to all the sifu is, if the W222 hybrid really kong or spoiled or totally stop working, will it affect the car performance by 50%? Was wondering does the S400H hybrid works like Lexus CT200H, cause I experienced my friend faulty CT200H with the hybrid kong. Though it can still be driven but can feel the 1.8 engine dragging the heavy car with super underpower. 2nd question is, i know this may sound stupid, but hear me out. since the hybrid gonna be expensive, but would it able to fit the S450 (facelifted) turbo into it, since both are similar family engine... yes, im poorfag cannot afford, just having this question in my mind & wanted to get an answer of it
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 3 2021, 03:54 PM
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Sep 3 2021, 02:49 PM) i would say it affects the response of the vehicle more since the motor kicks in offering high torque. If its faulty get it fixed or keep it as it is if you can't afford. Transplant is going to cost you a bomb. it is not a 1 to 1 fit. your module, ECU, esp, harness, gearbox, safety system, gateway, body control module etc etc needs to be replaced or hybrid. basically its just taking a whole s450, gut 50% of its parts and replace in your current vehicle. CT200H is heavy compared to other 1.8 vehicle like altis due to the weight of the motor and batteries. if the hybrid fails, you're just lugging extra weight. may be by doing that would be "cheaper" than subsequent changing every time when hybrid kong? imagine when these rich ppl start selling away the S400h because of the hybrid, it will be such a waste on a nice car like that not to be continue to drive cause of the cost of hybrid... thats why i wonder, if this car will it be limp when the hybrid stop working, with the v6 3.5L i suppose it may still able to carry the weight of the car? lol
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 3 2021, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(bigmac999 @ Sep 3 2021, 03:40 PM) you are going to be needing the entire drivetrain of the s450 for the swap to work and this includes all the ECUs the second thing is to recode all the ECUs to work with the rest of the car best solution for you is to get a replacement battery which is way cheaper than a drivetrain swap haha im just wondering if that will work, not that i can afford it just seeing the car if can be mod to not use hybrid
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 3 2021, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(netmatrix @ Sep 3 2021, 03:53 PM) Why waste time on this. The 400h engine and battery pack are reliant on each other. Why you bring up a 450 turbo engine that is not hybrid to the mix? I dun get it? Thanks for letting me know the engine n battery pack are reliant on each other. cause cant find much info about it thats why im asking, IF the hybrid stop working, can the facelifted turbo to plug into the the S400h, to sort of replaced the hybrid, since the engine are the similar family... this S400h eventually will drop below 100k imay be another 5-8 years down the road & the cost of its hybrid is insanely expensive (RM65k) so i was thinking would it be a better solution for the car not to rely on hybrid...
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 3 2021, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(littlefire @ Sep 3 2021, 04:43 PM) Why bother about turbo engine? Since can accept transplant just get another half-cut similar to your ride and replace the faulty parts when fail. No need to worry about any coding, miss fitting or wiring issue if not done well. cause the engine may be still running alright so to take out the healthy engine bcz of the hybrid not working, i rasa abit waste la thats why i was thinking may be would it be possible just follow the factory did for their other range of cars
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 3 2021, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Sep 3 2021, 07:41 PM) For all hybrid cars, none of any manufacturer offer de-hybrid service. Whatever wild idea people have to run the car cheap after hybrid system dies will remain as dream. They actually want you to replace the hybrid part that is faulty or replace the whole car with them, unfortunately 😕 I feel sad about this fact too. Had a hybrid car and sold it at very low price, sigh. may be another 1 or 2 more gen later the hybrid may not even have new stock then basically the car owners are force to buy a new car  unlike the older merc, ppl still try to make it running condition... quite a waste though
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 5 2021, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(bigmac999 @ Sep 4 2021, 02:43 PM) anything will work in car modding if you have enough cash to burn even if your want to put a 2jz engine in it lol hahaha putting 2JZ in definitely a good choice, since got jap did to its RR. but if i were to own S400H, i hope to keep it within the MB range n not transplant from another manufacturer. people always said buying is cheap, maintaining it is the problem. i guess better off to get the previous gen S class without hybrid would be the better choice :/
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 5 2021, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Sep 5 2021, 12:28 AM) You can strip off the hybrid system. but it takes alot of $$ and complexity to do so. there are alot of modules where the system communicates with the hybrid. Plus some of the cooling system runs to the back of the battery pack and any attempts to bypass or temper the coolant will result in error. My advise is to sell it or Swap it or Fix it. If you intend to keep it for a long run just fix it. the hybrid system is good. If you plunk in a turbo 450 you will cry. because the maintenance, fuel and transplant will hurt you alot. keep it if there's sentimental value. let it go, so that the new owner or enthusiast may put some effort into refurbishing it. hahaha bro, I just presuming only, haven't got that kind of money to owned it, at least not at this pandemic time hahahaha... stuck at home too long pop out all sort of question about the hybrid issue & cant find any answer thats why asking if there would be any posibility even today can afford it, how long more the company will willing to produce the hybrid before they giving up n force the owner to buy new car? eventually this car either go to "museum" display or some other engine transplant may needed which very sad to see...
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 5 2021, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(RigerZ @ Sep 5 2021, 11:39 AM) You will at least loose the amount of power provided by the hybrid motors (which is much less than 50%). Any additional power loss due to limp home mode or etc triggered by the malfunction is very dependent on each car's ECU programming. Maybe some cars you dont notice much difference but others feel like 50% Memang pun stupid. But where there is stupidity a select few may see genius. If really less than 50% a, f the hybrid la just drive n ignore it (if i can afford) May be transplant the old merc v12 (similar pagani) back to the old car would be cool though haha
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 6 2021, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Sep 6 2021, 02:26 AM) parts are not hard to find. there are plenty of OEM parts you can buy from local stores or import it from China. Prices are affordable. My advise is to maintain as it is. If you put in a 2jz, or another other motor, you have to live with a imperfect vehicle. many would think 2jz is a nice engine to put in. honestly, you should drive it daily they only comment. if you're aiming a drift machine or drag rocket then that's the ideal root to go. but for a daily commute, its not so pleasant to drive. infact you will feel its a downgrade compared to your previous setup where its much responsive and refined for city driving. not to mention the other things you need to iron off after you perform the heart transplant, like wirings, custom alignments. vibrations. balancing issues etc. In the motorsports world, those aren't much an issue because you just want SPEED and POWER. but on a daily drive, esp when you fetch people, these problems would shy you from driving it out on a weekend night out. You definitely don't want a unreliable hulk. join those car groups with enthusiast whom know where to find parts and how to maintain them. I'm pretty sure there are alot of old folks would snag these vehicle as their retirement project cars. I supposed that will be the only way if i were to really owned it one day... worst case just wait longer n get the S450 instead
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 6 2021, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(NoobboyZzZ @ Sep 6 2021, 02:31 AM) Merz s400 battery spoil u cant even start the car . Prepare fork out 70-80k to repair just found there are discussion about "no start malfunction" and happened alot to the previous gen W221 very often but not not so often W222. If W222 share the same problem, pretty much the car will be very worthless likely ppl who bought it as 2nd hand car may not necessary willing to spend 70-80k battery that wont even last for 10 years
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 6 2021, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE(pcdoctor_my @ Sep 6 2021, 08:16 PM) Lets be real. This S400H is not for the typical average Myvi owner. Or someone thinking to buy one cheap and swap in whatever monstrous turbo beast. Its either owned by CEO , Directors or some top gun, who couldn't be bothered about battery failure. That's taken care by Merc service centre. Which is handled by whoever monitors their fleet of car maintenance. They have a ton of thoughts about making company profit and reducing losses. Not thinking about how to deactivate the battery. thats why beginning already i said i poor fag, only want to know the possibility ma~ even swap the turbo i also mentioned the MB S450 turbo, not any performance turbo pun
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 6 2021, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Sep 6 2021, 08:59 PM) get a lexus. scotty kilmer approves this Lexus is definitely the best choice tooo... well if ntg really goes wrong, getting a RX for would be one of the alternate choice
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 6 2021, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Sep 6 2021, 10:04 PM) total waste of time when S class non hybrid are so many to pick from personally loves the W222 sleek look than the W221 bulky look only ask the question the older gen surely not a major issue since the car been running around longer & most of the things can be fixed n parts still can be found. unlike hybrid battery, can only come from MB, if got 3rd party also takut
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 7 2021, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Sep 7 2021, 01:30 AM) What you're attempting to do is extremely complex and will be extremely expensive. Might be better off buying a S450 rather than a S400h and then trying to convert it when it spoils. However if you happen to already own a S400h, then if it's just the batteries you could probably replace it by modules as you could with a Prius or a CT200H. not anytime soon owning such big luxury car yet  if i only got 1 chance & i will probably really wait for the non hybrid on sale then only buy. (since dont have the idea how much gonna cost to convert) Is just that i feel with so many hybrids on the road means the car could be cheaper to get it to convert into non hybrid... where as the non hybrid may float at a high price since the number are non as great as hybrid I thought it may be a good idea (just idea) for ppl who dont have that deep budget to buy new but happily to own a used without the hybrid.
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 7 2021, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(BL98 @ Sep 7 2021, 03:32 PM) If hybrid battery and hybrid system so easy to spoil and so hard and expensive to repair, then how is the "hybrid is greener and better for environment"? Not even used for few years then throw away. Is this even justify the fossil fuel savings that hybrid system uses vs normal ICE system. like this a toyota camry 2,5NA is even more environmental friendly compared to hybrids, because NA cars is more durable, can be driven for many years. I used to see a lot Audi A6 Hybrid alot around, followed by CRZ, Prius C & CT200 but these days hardly see it on the road. but now hardly see them on the road my friend's CT200 he almost give up selling the car cz need to replace the hybrid, but still owe bank money so no choice continue to drive until save enuf money to change. he lucky manage to find 3rd party to change it. but many times they need constant change the cell that so call save the envirotment just my personal opinion, i still prefer ICE car than hybrid n PHEV at least it got 1 less problem need to worry (battery pack & charging)
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TSkuro0314
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Sep 7 2021, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE(abubin @ Sep 7 2021, 03:50 PM) Who says about throwing away hybrid cars? TS is asking about adding turbo into the hybrid engine. As for the hybrid batteries there are usually 8 years warranty for them. However, after that the battery will cost a lot to replace. Depending on car manufacturer, some are reasonable and some are not. Hybrids are phasing out soon. Most people would go for full EV or stick with ICE. BTW, you don't see many used continental hybrid that is more than 8 years old on they road, don't you? Maybe you are right..it's not environmental friendly to dispose hybrid after 8 years. Many ICE cars are also disposed around 10 years also. So it's not really that far fetch. Same thing with current BEV, we don't know what the future will be like after 10 years. It's all manufacturers way of pushing stuffs to the consumers. The orang yang Rich had enuf the hybrid then throw, then poor fag like us to catch when the manufacturer really abandoned the hybrid system, ppl who hold their cars pretty much a fucuk... even u r rich u cannot find the parts to maintain your car I just hope malaysia dont force to use PHEV anytime soon, i still want to enjoy the combustion engine sound
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