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post Aug 16 2021, 11:59 AM, updated 5y ago

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Due to covid, was retrenched since last year.... but i do have alternative income from rental of about RM 5K per mth(with tenancy agreement).... but not too sure if banks allow ppl like me to take a housing loan of about 500K to buy a new house for investment?

Contacted a few bankers.... but all don't layan me.... straight up say our bank don't accept client like u! ok lor.... i'll ask around....
Got 1 ask me to join name.... no lar.... this is my prop why wanna join name.... then got 1 banker say i need assets and cash of 1 mil to apply loan... lol

So anyone can advise on how to go about it to apply housing loan using rental as my mthly income?



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post Aug 16 2021, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Aug 16 2021, 12:09 PM)
Has rental property's loan finish paid?
else in the eye of the bank, it is no considered as your disposable fund.
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those bankers nvr did ask about if its fully paid.... but since u asked....Yes, its fully paid.... total 2 properties.
So technically it should be considered a mthly income... no?

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post Aug 16 2021, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(TryingToSurvive @ Aug 16 2021, 12:05 PM)
Is your agreement stamped?
Normally they allow 80% of rental as income but maybe your dsr even with the rental is too high.
Therefore you get rejected cause of high risk cause of no job and high dsr
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those properties fully paid off.... and i do not have any other housing loan....still consider high risks?
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post Aug 16 2021, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(cintamani83 @ Aug 16 2021, 12:55 PM)
Can if:

1) you have stamped tenancy agreements.
2) rentals paid through bank (statements to proof source of income match tenancy agreements)
3) 6 month (at least) to 1 year of bank statements.
4) banks prefer you have setup property investment company rather than individual but is not totally cannot.
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Part 4, im not a prop tycoon... no point setting up a prop investment comp.... unless i got 50 props under me....
Mind sharing which bank accept the above criteria....
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post Aug 17 2021, 11:08 AM

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Based on all ur comments got me thinking about these 2 scenarios for discussion sake:

A. Employed
- Attached to a company
- Some need to serve 2 or 3 mths notice if terminated or retrenched/ some 1 week if not confirmed in his/ her position.
- Earning gross salary of rm5K per mth. (got EPF, got LHDN)
- Only got a 3 yrs car loan to pay.
- Got 1 property fully paid.
- Age:30

B. Not Employed but has rental as monthly income
- Not attached to any company currently coz was retrenched last year.
- Tenants need to serve 2 or 3 mths notice if termination of tenancy agreement.
- Earning gross rental income of rm5K per mth. (No EPF, No LHDN)
- Only got a 3 yrs car loan to pay.
- Got 3 properties fully paid.
- Age:40

Objective here is to apply for a housing loan of 500K for 30 yrs to buy another property.

As per the above scenario, i think its illogical for banks to prefer the employed VS the not employed but has rental as mtly income, kinda obvious which one has a stronger financial background .... so what do u all think?

No right or wrong answer, just wanna learn from this because many of us dream of retiring early with many properties to collect rental from.... so how do these "retirees" manage to get bank loan just from collecting rental? Whats the threshold of their rental that will open a bank's eyes? rm10K per mth?
These "retirees" can't be all buying cash.....

Also its a known fact that some banks prefer self employed or free lancers to employed..... so which banks are for "retirees" friendly? (retirees here means these ppl are deriving their mthly income from rental of their properties, they maybe just 40+ yrs)


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post Aug 20 2021, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Aug 17 2021, 09:36 PM)
Even if RM5k rental become net income, after deducting income tax, it will be lower than RM5k nett.

I think it's a matter of monthly loan repayment amount rather than rental not eligible as supporting documents for loan approval. Banks usually want to keep it to a certain percentage of your income.
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For past records banks can always check CCRIS, to determine if he or her a bad pay master or is currently burden with other debts .... so many of the feedback here say a person need to have a steady income to get a HOusing loan.

My curiousity here is why banks do not take rental income with tenancy agreement as a stable income, can further back up with bank in statement as well for past 1 yr as proof its a real deal.... if they do not recognised rental income of rm5K per mth for a 500K loan then what is the threshold? RM8K rental income? Why do they discriminate a rental income from a employee.... both can be terminated by giving notices. Any diff?

From past records which is clean, zero credit card debt (all settled in full every mth), serving no other loan and with just a car loan of 3 yrs ( still serving got about 2 yrs left) this is still not eligible enuf for banks? if yes, why? any bankers can explain? whats the logic behind? really wanna know how u all "discriminate" ur potential customers.... lets reveal the logic behind.... and learn together....

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post Aug 22 2021, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(chamelion @ Aug 20 2021, 10:33 AM)
Do you pay or declare taxes for the rental?
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Let’s be honest , who pay taxes on rental in Malaysia ? After all the allowed deduction it’s prob very little left to pay …
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post Aug 22 2021, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Aug 21 2021, 10:35 AM)
you borrow housing loan 30 years....

your rental income can consistent 30 years?

logic tell you not.
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My logic tells me u can have consistent rental income for 30 yrs no issue …. That’s one of the reason why ppl buy property to put up for rent n take a loan of 30 yrs ….
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post Aug 22 2021, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(Ayammachiamboss @ Aug 22 2021, 10:46 AM)
I do. After deducting all costs I still have to pay taxes for 80% of my rental income.

I already know most people avoid paying taxes but somehow I'm still disappointed to read this.
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Mind sharing ur total gross rental income that ur earning per mth ? Since u pay taxes …. Ur a rare diamond in the haystack …
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post Aug 22 2021, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(adrianteo @ Aug 22 2021, 10:34 AM)
I beg to differ. Its actually the other way round. You pay taxes on the money you earned legally. You don't pay it to make it legal, that's money laundering. Hence why your second statement about AhLong actually contradicts your first. If taxes are created to make money earned legal, why is AhLong not allowed to pay taxes on their illegal money?

Also, you are looking at this issue from a very simple lense. You are making a simple comparison between a person who can find a new job after losing one vs a landlord who can also find replacement tenant. That's a single lense view.

We always talk about bank risk appetite, that appetite is derived from a number of factors not just 1 factor.

Age, income, or even health all contributes to that calculation. Hence, the key word is PROBABILITY.

Using your example above, What is the probability that a person, at a age of xx years, who loses a job at that age, aren't able to find a replacement job, vs what is the probability of that landlord at the age of xx years, relying solely on rental income, to find a replacement tenant? Bear in mind, if a landlord relies solely on rental income, most likely he or she is at advanced age, and also whether the property is fully owned or mortgaged.. Etc

Again, this is just very basic view. The calculations are more complex and comprehensive depending on what risk factors the bank apply.
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Times have changed, nowadays ppl in their late 30s or early 40s alredi become a landlord with a few houses under their belt …. Those r the ones that wanted to retire early in life … not working for money but let money work for them …. Then again, what’s the definition of a high net worth individual ? Owning 5 houses all fully paid but don’t a permanent job but collecting rental ? Any bankers willing to share ?

Sadly the mindset of bankers have not change still very old fashion n assume that one must be old in age or retired to be collecting rental.

Need to be more open n don’t judge based on ur own assumptions ….. high net worth individuals also need to loan money to make money ….
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post Aug 23 2021, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(Ayammachiamboss @ Aug 22 2021, 09:15 PM)
About 2.8. I wonder how you managed to get 5k with 2 properties?
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its 3 properties.

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post Aug 23 2021, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(Arhat @ Aug 22 2021, 09:38 PM)
Yes, banks can give out loan based on rental income, I was one of them. But I regret using it to buy apartment, there are too many apartments around, it is difficult to sell or rent.

The rent doesn't cover the monthly bank loan.

The rental that I get is only rm 1100 for fully furnished, how to survive like this?
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mind to share which bank? how many yrs loan and the amount?
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post Aug 23 2021, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(Ayammachiamboss @ Aug 22 2021, 09:15 PM)
About 2.8. I wonder how you managed to get 5k with 2 properties?
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how much tax r u paying with rental of 2.8K per mth?
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post Aug 23 2021, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Ayammachiamboss @ Aug 23 2021, 10:54 AM)
All fully paid?
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yup, yet no banks wann to provide any loan to me.... sob sob....

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