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National Team the new FAM, reshuffled...but issit still a bad hand?

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Duke Red
post Sep 10 2007, 04:47 PM

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My main concern is if this band of brothers is going to be able to get the other races involved in the team, like back in the good old days? It's no big secret that our teams (badminton, hockey and football) were more successful when it was more erm... 'muhibah'.
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post Sep 11 2007, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(zickey @ Sep 10 2007, 05:39 PM)
i think this not an issue.. we can have the team that involve all races in the team if they seriously had an ambition to be in the national football team. No offense here but i think does chinese school had their own football team? maybe they have but not being paid fully attention on it. They got money and they can build a team and give opportunities to chinese players to show their real talent but how many of them dare to take the challenge?
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Chinese schools get money? A lot of them don't even have money to replace old tables and chairs, let alone fund a football team. I doubt it's because the Chinese have any less interest in football. How many Chinese here played football or play futsal? I know I'm one of them. How many Chinamen bet on football? The interest is there. The question is why don't they pursue it as a career?

Why do you think it is there are less Chinese and Indian players these days? Is it the money? How much do footballers here get paid? Some of them earn more than the Chinamen selling Chicken rice, no? So maybe it isn't the money then. Racial politics perhaps? Maybe some are just sick with it. There must be a logical reason why, no? I mean it's happening in every other aspect of our country, who not sports? Has Lim Teong Kim been given a Datukship? Most people didn't even know he was at Bayern Munich.

I hate to make this seem racial but I don't have the answers to the questions above and I can't help but wonder.

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post Sep 11 2007, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 05:19 PM)
P/S: I dont think Lim Teong Kim deserve to get 'Datuk'. Any football player after Mokhtar Dahari doesn't deserved at all! Better give it to Badminton, Squash and Hockey player.
You're missing my point here. I wasn't referring to him as a player but as a coach. We do after all award such titles to certain people who have sailed round the world or whatever right? What about someone that scaled Everest? What about someone who ends up coaching the youth team of one of the biggest football clubs in the world?

As for the Chinese school facilities, what about Chinese in government schools?
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post Sep 11 2007, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 07:22 PM)
No point getting Datuk name just for the sake getting it.
Still missing my point mate. I didn't bring up the 'Datuk' issue because I think he should get one. All I'm asking is if he would have got one if he weren't Chinese? I mean other people have got the title for doing much less. Again, I stress I'm not saying we should give him one.

QUOTE(zickey @ Sep 11 2007, 07:39 PM)
i agree with johnjenin points. maybe chinese didnt get enough chance in school.. but look at myteam selection open day. from there we can see just few of them come to take the challenge.
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Still the question goes unanswered. Why aren't the Chinese interested in trying out anymore? It wasn't always like this, so why now? Perhaps less Indians are trying out but they certainly aren't bad at the game. Only Nanthakumar features regularly. Why are the other races not trying out? Money? I don't think so. Me thinks it's due to sports politics. Who's and who's son getting into the team and so on.

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post Sep 11 2007, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 08:59 PM)
Let the politician get the Datuk title. I'm proud with Lim Teong Kim. He still Kedah legend. Colour of skins doesn't matter in football.
Dude correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lim Teong Kim play for KL? I thought Lee Kin Hong played for Kedah.
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post Sep 13 2007, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 12 2007, 12:10 PM)
i agree with you. people only know how to complaint. you can see from their post. they only know how to criticize. but never give opinion on why this thing happen and what we need to do to improve it. and for sure, they never know about our local league. they just proud of EPL, La Liga, Seria, Bundes League and so on.
I don't agree. If you look at the thread titled "malaysian football", you'll see a lot of people have given suggestions and not just criticised. Why repeat ourselves?

As for our local league, can you blame us? I was an avid Selangor fan and collected newspapers clippings and such. What happened? Greed, corruption? You name it. The league became farcial and the football stank. Why then do I not support it anymore? Why should I support something that doesn't want to improve itself? It's the same problem over and over again. It's not like supporting a relegated team that is fighting hard to gain promotion. So far, the FAM have been all talk about wanting to improve. No more talk! DO! Respect is not given, it is earned.
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 13 2007, 04:01 PM)
If you think no future in our local football. you are just naive.

If you think you just can play until 35, its show how bad is your thinking.

In football there is always career path.

Just take Shebby as example. After he retire where is he right now? football commentator.
Look at Dollah Salleh and Zainal Abidin Hassan, they became football coach. You can decide what is your future.
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Why not train to be a commentator right away then? You don't have to be a player to be one.

There is no future on local football unless something is done. What are we now 150th in the world or something? We've been on a steady decline for the past 2 years. If nothing changes, we'll continue to slide. If anything, it is naive to think the future is rosy and hope for the best without revamping the FAM.
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post Sep 13 2007, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 13 2007, 04:09 PM)
Our football is improving. You can see the result from our U23 and U20 squad. We have good youngsters. Its only up to the management how to retain their talents.

i feel your pain mate. I really miss the moment when KL and Selangor meet. Jaguh Lembah Kelang.
Those were sweet days for Malaysian football. I miss seeing the likes of Dollah Salleh, Zainal Abidin, Zolst Buchs, PAvel Korejcik, Karel Stromsik, K Gunalan, Alistair Edwards, Khan Hung Meng, Wong Hung Nung, Zainal Nordin, ex captain, Ismail Ibrahim and our very own supersub, P.Maniam! in action.

 

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