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post Sep 10 2007, 02:38 PM, updated 19y ago

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President: Sultan Ahmad Shah

Deputy Presidents: Datuk Redzuan Sheikh Ahmad, Khairy Jamaluddin.

Vice-Presidents: Afandi Hamzah, Datuk Che Mat Jusoh, Capt Gulzar Mohd Nor, Ahamad Mohamed.
okay....fellas....whu thinks that this will help?? okay we all agree no more roalyties.....the president refusing to budge, and the UMNO politician is also in....and uncontested?!?!!

it was quoted that sultan ahmad said that we live by democracy n thus voting is the way to go...but why is the seat of which khairy jamaluddin is in now is not being contested....shud he even be there in the 1st place...im pretty sure he got no footballing experience let alone lead the national governing body of the sport??? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

and 5 others competed for the vice president n look how democracy ousted the royalty.... so issit now UMNO > kerabat ????

and wat u guys think the future got in place for the national team n the grassroot developments.....

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post Sep 10 2007, 02:48 PM

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i think FAM can remain as a rulling body. If really wanna improve the soccer in malaysia.
Better set up privatetised body like in england, they got english FA and premier league. whereby premier league settle all financial, investment of the league.

anyhow, change of hands in the management doesn't means can improve the games, change of the system might.
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post Sep 10 2007, 02:54 PM

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Looking at KJ inside FAM, one definite answer is he able to attract sponsor to our football industry. So I don't think FAM will have any problem about $$$.

The question is, with this money will it bring good, improvement and development of our football standard?

The puzzle is not complete yet as we don't have FAM Secretary. Who will it be?
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post Sep 10 2007, 03:02 PM

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Well.. he was one of the producers of MyTeam i think lol.

So at least he has interest
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post Sep 10 2007, 03:20 PM

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I thought not long ago he resigned, then now he's back, Khairy.
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post Sep 10 2007, 03:30 PM

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ohmy.gif KJ doh.gif Well, best of luck to the "new" FAM. I have this eerie feeling things will more or less go back to the all talk no action non-sense.
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post Sep 10 2007, 03:46 PM

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new team old management style. What is the point?
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yea i guess so.....we shud take some great futballer in as the head la....look at platini, beckenbauer & etc...all former greats....now spearheading their organization....but KJ.....im afraid he will corrupt msian futball more by bringin in his cigarette smiking, drug injecting n terrapin blood drinking rempits into the team.....then might change the national team's nick name into msian rempis....(like englands 3 lions)
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post Sep 10 2007, 03:49 PM

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Wait and see. There's lots of room for improvement. I dont think anyone should blame them for trying. Just hope that the athletes and coaches will have priority in the programmes.
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Personally I think the new committee should be given time before we can fairly criticise them. No need to bash here and there when they still haven't start anything yet. From what I've read the committee also involves the presidents of various state FA's. Perhaps this time there will be improvements in our local football.
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post Sep 10 2007, 04:47 PM

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My main concern is if this band of brothers is going to be able to get the other races involved in the team, like back in the good old days? It's no big secret that our teams (badminton, hockey and football) were more successful when it was more erm... 'muhibah'.
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yea give them time. err like.. 20years. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 10 2007, 04:47 PM)
My main concern is if this band of brothers is going to be able to get the other races involved in the team, like back in the good old days? It's no big secret that our teams (badminton, hockey and football) were more successful when it was more erm... 'muhibah'.
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ya, a lot chinese and indian love to play football ... as we can see in futsal ...

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 10 2007, 04:47 PM)
My main concern is if this band of brothers is going to be able to get the other races involved in the team, like back in the good old days? It's no big secret that our teams (badminton, hockey and football) were more successful when it was more erm... 'muhibah'.
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i think this not an issue.. we can have the team that involve all races in the team if they seriously had an ambition to be in the national football team. No offense here but i think does chinese school had their own football team? maybe they have but not being paid fully attention on it. They got money and they can build a team and give opportunities to chinese players to show their real talent but how many of them dare to take the challenge?
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from my opinion, just give them time, and we wait and see. perhaps they can do something, or else.... u guys know wat to do...erm...
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QUOTE(zickey @ Sep 10 2007, 05:39 PM)
i think this not an issue.. we can have the team that involve all races in the team if they seriously had an ambition to be in the national football team. No offense here but i think does chinese school had their own football team? maybe they have but not being paid fully attention on it. They got money and they can build a team and give opportunities to chinese players to show their real talent but how many of them dare to take the challenge?
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Yeap, agree...usually Chinese schools prefer to focus on basketball. Moreover, Chinese are more prone to back out when it comes to football. Mostly those who stay and fight are Indians and Malays, us Chinese tend to take it as a leisure activity. However things could be done to encourage.
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Leadership from the brains that wants to send mat rempits to the top of the North Pole/ Mount Everest... Dunno what else to say about the football future... sad.gif

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post Sep 10 2007, 06:58 PM

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Lets just hope the new FAM is better than the last
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well its always not a good prospect when politicians come into organizations like this rite?? anyway its never been proven to be a positiv thing rite here in msia....im juz judging that based of the past....but okay....as some said...i shudnt judge.....but i will remain skeptical...hmm.gif

when KJ took that spot...i doubt theres gonna be muhibbah......coz as everyone noes hes an 'ultra' aka racist.....and he got elected with no oppositions....wth??? more like getting apppointed rather than elected......but god noes wat invisible hands played him into that lucrative seat......

n bout the chinese school....even if the schools aint proactive in improving the sport.....the community can always play a part say some form of FAM driven grass root development.....
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post Sep 10 2007, 07:35 PM

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i think it will the same bcos we need ex-footballer not politician and sultan
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post Sep 10 2007, 07:36 PM

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OMG.. not Khairy Jamaluddin... there goes our football.. yet again...
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I rather give them time to at least lay out their plan for Malaysian football first. this can be seen by so many ways e.g. the handling of national team, youth developments and our own football league. no point bashing them when they're just 1 days old holding the position.

and KJ did resign his position in the FAM after TM Pahang resign as Timbalan Presiden, claiming that he resigned out of respect to the TM'S decision to resign because it was TM who brought him into FAM in the first place. but even at that time I have a feeling that he'll be back sooner rather than later in FAM
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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Sep 10 2007, 08:04 PM)
I rather give them time to at least lay out their plan for Malaysian football first. this can be seen by so many ways e.g. the handling of national team, youth developments and our own football league. no point bashing them when they're just 1 days old holding the position.

and KJ did resign his position in the FAM after TM Pahang resign as Timbalan Presiden, claiming that he resigned out of respect to the TM'S decision to resign because it was TM who brought him into FAM in the first place. but even at that time I have a feeling that he'll be back sooner rather than later in FAM
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i agree......
i also hope that Khairy can bring fresh idea into FAM......
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imho, the sultan of pahang should have stepped down,time for him to retire and leave the FAM to better hands.basically,since he became the president in 1984,our country's football team has been heading in only one direction,striaght into the drain.
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Same old same old.

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Grey.. i'm with u there... i'd give them 2 years and see how the development goes...

5 years the most...
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QUOTE(sakaito @ Sep 10 2007, 11:49 PM)
Grey.. i'm with u there... i'd give them 2 years and see how the development goes...

5 years the most...
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wait till for another Asian Cup.........if their qualified........
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nah.. i'm not waiting that long for them.. we already f***ed up for Olympics, i don't think we'll make it to Asian games...
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hope their can bring something new into FAM
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QUOTE(sakaito @ Sep 11 2007, 12:25 AM)
nah.. i'm not waiting that long for them.. we already f***ed up for Olympics, i don't think we'll make it to Asian games...
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we need get medal in SEA Games first before thinking about Asia Games and Olympic
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QUOTE(faris21 @ Sep 11 2007, 02:28 AM)
we need get medal in SEA Games first before thinking about Asia Games and Olympic
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thats right..dont need to be t0o ambitious..
do u think change the fam today and tomollow we will qualify to asia games? sweat.gif

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heck.. we know our under 19 and under 21 teams are quite good. so, why not results in 2 to 3 years time? only our senior teams been really dissappointing.

Plus we need friendly matches against strong teams like Japan or Korea. Those teams we played against in Merdeka Tournament were somewhat ranked near or worse that us. if u ask me, they fixed it in such a way so that we will win the tournament.

Today very hot topic about RM3 karipap which cost RM0.30 only. They should look into FAM and they find out the RM80 balls were charged RM600 each
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 10 2007, 04:47 PM)
My main concern is if this band of brothers is going to be able to get the other races involved in the team, like back in the good old days? It's no big secret that our teams (badminton, hockey and football) were more successful when it was more erm... 'muhibah'.
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QUOTE(renoma1972 @ Sep 10 2007, 05:34 PM)
ya, a lot chinese and indian love to play football ... as we can see in futsal ...
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I know that non-Malay have been critical of our football team bcoz the lack of non-Malay in it, but the reality is that not many non-Malays playing good football..love to play football does not translate into good in playing football..if non-Malays wants more non-Malays playing in the football national team, then non-Malays have to encourage non-Malays to play football at early stage and continues to play if they are good enough..

I'm not a fan of political figures or those with political aspirations taking over FAM, but lets give KJ a chance to prove himself he is up to the task
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if u play good football. 4 sure u will given chance to proof. Sorry to say, for now i see Indian community have lot of passion to success in football than chinese.

And if you blame management are picky, lets take a look at Penang team next season. Penang will be handle by famous Moey Yoke Ham. I guarantee they will have limited Chinese player.

Think about our U23 squad handle by B Sathianathan. Why only Thiru cement his place inside the team? Think..
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QUOTE(zickey @ Sep 10 2007, 05:39 PM)
i think this not an issue.. we can have the team that involve all races in the team if they seriously had an ambition to be in the national football team. No offense here but i think does chinese school had their own football team? maybe they have but not being paid fully attention on it. They got money and they can build a team and give opportunities to chinese players to show their real talent but how many of them dare to take the challenge?
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Chinese schools get money? A lot of them don't even have money to replace old tables and chairs, let alone fund a football team. I doubt it's because the Chinese have any less interest in football. How many Chinese here played football or play futsal? I know I'm one of them. How many Chinamen bet on football? The interest is there. The question is why don't they pursue it as a career?

Why do you think it is there are less Chinese and Indian players these days? Is it the money? How much do footballers here get paid? Some of them earn more than the Chinamen selling Chicken rice, no? So maybe it isn't the money then. Racial politics perhaps? Maybe some are just sick with it. There must be a logical reason why, no? I mean it's happening in every other aspect of our country, who not sports? Has Lim Teong Kim been given a Datukship? Most people didn't even know he was at Bayern Munich.

I hate to make this seem racial but I don't have the answers to the questions above and I can't help but wonder.

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Talking about Chinese school and football. I have a story.

I am from Chinese School. To be precise Sek Men Keat Hwa, Alor Star, Kedah. Among good school and excel in their education. You can see every year when gov announcing PMR, SPM and STPM result there will be top student coming from this school. In term of facility, everything great. Thanks to rich parent that sponsoring through PIBG.

But if you talk about sport especially football. Its really sad. Chinese is more oriented to play basketball. When PJ time only few people that playing football because they don't want to get dirty. Its end up less then 10 people playing 5 a side try to score between pair of shoe. But that was when I was form 1. Still OK

Form 2 and 3 u need to go to another Keat Hwa branch behind Wisma Persekutuan that damn small! i think like three times football field size. And guess what there is no football field at all! only basketball court. So what is the conclusion? Management like teacher, guru besar only target specific sport for their student to excel. If you are good playing ping pong, badminton, basketball and volleyball. Yes you will get what you want. But football? NO NO NO

From here you can see the direction why there is no Chinese excel in football. Because school never encourage their student to do so. I believe if they encourage, there will be representative from my school representing Alor Star and Kedah. Their target is to be the best school in academics! But my school have a good marching band too biggrin.gif

For school football team, we have a good teacher who willing to become coach, but lacks of support from school management. When there is announcement that there will be football squad selection, only few people turn up for it. Less than 25 people. So if you turn up, you will be selected. so good right? thumbup.gif

But even with this limitation, we able to build up a good squad. Because what? When i was form 2 we go until quarter final and lose out to Kolej Sultan Abdul Hamid [KSAH] where all state academy player come from. But only at group stage next year.

So if you want more Chinese to play football. You need to change development program at the grass root. We need to start from basics. Another thing is to educate parents to see footballer have a good career as badminton player. It's take times to change this mindset.

After i left my school, they build new building at the football field. I pity for students that enjoy playing football.

P/S: I dont think Lim Teong Kim deserve to get 'Datuk'. Any football player after Mokhtar Dahari doesn't deserved at all! Better give it to Badminton, Squash and Hockey player.
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 05:19 PM)
P/S: I dont think Lim Teong Kim deserve to get 'Datuk'. Any football player after Mokhtar Dahari doesn't deserved at all! Better give it to Badminton, Squash and Hockey player.
You're missing my point here. I wasn't referring to him as a player but as a coach. We do after all award such titles to certain people who have sailed round the world or whatever right? What about someone that scaled Everest? What about someone who ends up coaching the youth team of one of the biggest football clubs in the world?

As for the Chinese school facilities, what about Chinese in government schools?
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Fifa bans association which mix politics into their football.

Ban FAM ?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 11 2007, 05:38 PM)
You're missing my point here. I wasn't referring to him as a player but as a coach. We do after all award such titles to certain people who have sailed round the world or whatever right? What about someone that scaled Everest? What about someone who ends up coaching the youth team of one of the biggest football clubs in the world?

As for the Chinese school facilities, what about Chinese in government schools?
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Lim Teong Kim actually can play a big role in developing our football standard and encourage Chinese to choose football as career. But no body try to take Lim Teong Kim as role model to Chinese. Just once in a blue moon ask him to conduct clinic. So by few session will he bring any changes? NO

I'm not sure whether Lim Teong Kim happy at Germany developing his career. Does he have any intention to back to help our football? a lot of question remain unanswered. But we never try to approach him. He can HELP a lot!

No point getting Datuk name just for the sake getting it. It will wonderful if he can become our father of football in developing our standard where it use to be.

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Fifa bans association which mix politics into their football.

Ban FAM ?
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FIFA can ban FAM if government interfere their operation. not political people coming into FAM
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i agree with johnjenin points. maybe chinese didnt get enough chance in school.. but look at myteam selection open day. from there we can see just few of them come to take the challenge.
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QUOTE(zickey @ Sep 11 2007, 07:39 PM)
i agree with johnjenin points. maybe chinese didnt get enough chance in school.. but look at myteam selection open day. from there we can see just few of them come to take the challenge.
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Sorry to say. Chinese never give a try to become professional football player.

Weekend in Penang. Try to have a visit to Penang Free School, futsal center, or any field. You can see talented player (Chinese) playing football. But when there is a chance for them to move to another level. where are they?

I personally went to USM during MyTeam2 selection. But hard to find Chinese come for the trial. And none of the Chinese selected to final phase! What a shame.

It's normal if its Kelantan. But this is Penang. Land where you can see Chinese everywhere. I personally felt disappointed.
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no matter how good he is....hes no graduate in sport science or watever that he can contribute....hes a bloody politician with degree n political science n i bet hes not played any significant football in his life (as a player / coach / team manager)

moreover, he didnt grew up in malaysia & IIRC, hes spend most of his life abroad....so is he really capable of even understanding the plight of our national footballl in the 1st place??

but it seems like we malaysians whu live in such multicultural nation is so tolerant when it comes to racists....KJ is a proven racists and hes still in charge of things n theres not even a big issue for him, a person whu has in fact defied the core principles of our country......racial tolerance n acceptance.....by his racists ideologies....

my take for this.....kick that KJ out of the assoc....then only answer the multiculturalism in sport n sport development n etc...coz if u dont get the right man.....the issues will never be resolved....simple as that....
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 11 2007, 07:22 PM)
No point getting Datuk name just for the sake getting it.
Still missing my point mate. I didn't bring up the 'Datuk' issue because I think he should get one. All I'm asking is if he would have got one if he weren't Chinese? I mean other people have got the title for doing much less. Again, I stress I'm not saying we should give him one.

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i agree with johnjenin points. maybe chinese didnt get enough chance in school.. but look at myteam selection open day. from there we can see just few of them come to take the challenge.
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Still the question goes unanswered. Why aren't the Chinese interested in trying out anymore? It wasn't always like this, so why now? Perhaps less Indians are trying out but they certainly aren't bad at the game. Only Nanthakumar features regularly. Why are the other races not trying out? Money? I don't think so. Me thinks it's due to sports politics. Who's and who's son getting into the team and so on.

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i personally don't think any change will happen. under those new guys at FAM, Malaysian football is not going anywhere either. Anyway, everyone deserve a chance. I'll see where FAM go from here. Remember what the new deputy said "If i don't perform, i'll quit".

i see one name in the deputy list and i thought to myself there will be more Mat Rempit filling up the stadium in the future.
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look at germany... all the top guys are footballers.... Bierhoff.. Klinsmann... Beckenbauer... Voller...

same goes with England... France... Heck almost all nations in the top 50....

we need footballers... not politicians!! not royalties....!!
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no matter how good he is....hes no graduate in sport science or watever that he can contribute....hes a bloody politician with degree n political science n i bet hes not played any significant football in his life (as a player / coach / team manager)

moreover, he didnt grew up in malaysia & IIRC, hes spend most of his life abroad....so is he really capable of even understanding the plight of our national footballl in the 1st place??

but it seems like we malaysians whu live in such multicultural nation is so tolerant when it comes to racists....KJ is a proven racists and hes still in charge of things n theres not even a big issue for him, a person whu has in fact defied the core principles of our country......racial tolerance n acceptance.....by his racists ideologies....

my take for this.....kick that KJ out of the assoc....then only answer the multiculturalism in sport n sport development n etc...coz if u dont get the right man.....the issues will never be resolved....simple as that....
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Bro,

you need to understand. KJ will not run the program. He will only get report from FAM's sec-gen. This time FAM sec-gen comes with football background. We can give a try. This candidate have an impressive CV
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yeah,give them a try dude..the most important that the changes had already made..lets see whats going to happen to the Malaysian football rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Bro,

you need to understand. KJ will not run the program. He will only get report from FAM's sec-gen. This time FAM sec-gen comes with football background. We can give a try. This candidate have an impressive CV
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cool point taken....so wudnt that be even more ridiculous for him to be around??? no footballing experience, not running the assoc, then why is he even there?? doh.gif doh.gif thats not a place for a politicians like him....he as a politician shud be goin around, doing watever he wants in the politics but not here in a football assoc... if say hes there to 'tarik cable'....shudnt the sultan be doing that??? shakehead.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif


n for the new sec gen of FAM....of course we cant judge him rite now coz he havnt got anything done yet....so yea we'll see how it goes.....
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Still missing my point mate. I didn't bring up the 'Datuk' issue because I think he should get one. All I'm asking is if he would have got one if he weren't Chinese? I mean other people have got the title for doing much less. Again, I stress I'm not saying we should give him one.
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Let the politician get the Datuk title. I'm proud with Lim Teong Kim. He still Kedah legend. Colour of skins doesn't matter in football.

I believe you know Dato Ahmad Basri. Person who loves to critic FAM because FAM cancel his football academy programme. If FAM want to improve we need somebody like him inside the organization. If you know Kedah captain A. Victor, he is spotted by Dato Ahmad Basri while playing at Kulim and he bring Victor to play with Kedah. And if you think racism happen, why Victor is appointed as our Captain? Better give it other Malay guys right...

As Kedahan, I am proud to have K Soley, and V Thirumurugan in our squad. Colour of skin never play a role in our football. its a passion.

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cool point taken....so wudnt that be  even more ridiculous for him to be around??? no footballing experience, not running the assoc, then why is he even there??  doh.gif  doh.gif thats not a place for a politicians like him....he as a politician shud be goin around, doing watever he wants in the politics but not here in a football assoc... if say hes there to 'tarik cable'....shudnt the sultan be doing that???  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
n for the new sec gen of FAM....of course we cant judge him rite now coz he havnt got anything done yet....so yea we'll see how it goes.....
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Let KJ pursuit his dream to become numbero uno. i dont care with him as long don't interrupt our football program and bring money to our League. What KJ wants is the name because football is sports no 1.

If you think logically, would KJ let our football down? for sure he want to be our football hero. If our Malaysia squad suck, he also get bad name and people will start cursing him to go down like what happen to Ibrahim Saad and Raja Ahmad Zainuddin. So he will ensure everything is right icon_rolleyes.gif

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Let the politician get the Datuk title. I'm proud with Lim Teong Kim. He still Kedah legend. Colour of skins doesn't matter in football.
Dude correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lim Teong Kim play for KL? I thought Lee Kin Hong played for Kedah.
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Let KJ pursuit his dream to become numbero uno. i dont care with him as long don't interrupt our football program and bring money to our League. What KJ wants is the name because football is sports no 1.

If you think logically, would KJ let our football down? for sure he want to be our football hero. If our Malaysia squad suck, he also get bad name and people will start cursing him to go down like what happen to Ibrahim Saad and Raja Ahmad Zainuddin. So he will ensure everything is right  icon_rolleyes.gif
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lol....im seriously impressed by how u give so much room for KJ....well if say its an unknown guy or someones whus unproven at natonal level....then okay la...as i dont usually judge.......but KJ??? proven that the guy got no idea how to go bout things....juz look at his mat gemilang plan.....that shows how shallow a person he is la.....

but heck all this rant aint gonna make him go away.....go i think i can juz ignore the fact that hes in the FAM..... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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no mater what race he is, talent still prevail. last time i played in my school against smjk© we won like 5-0? or was it 4-0? but its always tough against smjk(t). Still wanna be democratic for democratic's sake?
Just choose the best regardless the race.
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Dude correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lim Teong Kim play for KL? I thought Lee Kin Hong played for Kedah.
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Lim Teong Kim did played for KL, but he also play for Kedah. a Kedah legend for me too johnjenin

and Lee Kin Hong is and always be a Kedah legend
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First things first, JohnJenin your comments are spot on, for me at least.
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(1) Comments like that really pisses me off. When we win something people will say "Oh they play against weak team, we fixed the match la" and other bullshits. Dude seriously did you ever go to the stadium and watch the tourney? The U-23 team were different from the senior ones played for the Asian Cup. For me the U-23 played far greater football. They played extremely hard for the entire tourney and for me they deserved to be the champions. One particular match I remember when they played Myanmar in the group (where we lost 2-1), from start to finish they showed good attacking football and fantastic spirit to match Myanmar eventho we played with 10 men and only 1 striker for the entire match. (Note: the other striker was sent off from the 1st minute) All teams participated except 1 or 2 were ranked above us, and if I'm not mistaken Myanmar & Singapore fielded their SEA games first XI's.

When the team played well, we give them credits, as the saying 'give credit when credit is due'. Some people eh...

(2) Anyhow I agree wth did the FAM paying over the odds for the bloody balls. If the balls are the originals, not the replicas, then I'd understand.
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At least the stadia will be filled up. These days to get a 10K supporters inside a stadium is very hard, except the team is playing well or in the final.
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i agree with you. people only know how to complaint. you can see from their post. they only know how to criticize. but never give opinion on why this thing happen and what we need to do to improve it. and for sure, they never know about our local league. they just proud of EPL, La Liga, Seria, Bundes League and so on.

And about Dato Soh Chin Aun. How we can give him a chance if he never pursue himself to get coach badge? he just settle down. But we still have good player who dedicate to help our football. Did you know who is Khan Hung Meng? who is Khor Seek Leng?

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QUOTE(toshio14 @ Sep 12 2007, 12:31 AM)
you are right, and you are wrong too

Lim Teong Kim did played for KL, but he also play for Kedah. a Kedah legend for me too johnjenin

and Lee Kin Hong is and always be a Kedah legend
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haha..i know you'll recognize me from HKC, johnjenin

i pretty much agree with everything johnjenin said, so nothing much to add. i find it really funny when last time i read somewhere in Football lounge (i think it's the CYC or Asia Cup topic) when people try to relate the failure of our national team to racial issue i.e. not enough chinese and indian in our national squad and too many malay. and then people try to relate the 2 issues again here. do you people who keep saying it really think that was the cause of our national football downfall?

people need to understand that our failure/embarassment in the Asia Cup was due to the player selected was not the best currently in Malaysia at this time. Kedah are the treble champion this season and yet only 2 players selected for the national team (and 1 player who won the Best Midfield Player this season didn't play at all and instead use the dysfunctional combo of Shukor Adan and Fadzli Shaari). Perak is another strong team this season with Khalid absolutely on form before Asia Cup in local tournament but yet only 2 players selected (and Nantha was not even the 1st eleven to start with). am not saying we will win the Asia Cup if the selection was made more properly, but i can guarantee you that we will not be embarrassed like what happened during the Asia Cup.

and johnjenin, i do think most of the people will need to google Khor Sek Leng in order to know who he is
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no matter how good you are in football, you have no future in malaysia. its not the epl. pay isn't that good. maybe thats y not many people would wanna risk their life in malaysian football
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QUOTE(izwan810 @ Sep 13 2007, 02:13 AM)
no matter how good you are in football, you have no future in malaysia. its not the epl. pay isn't that good. maybe thats y not many people would wanna risk their life in malaysian football
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no matter how good you are in football, you have no future in malaysia. its not the epl. pay isn't that good. maybe thats y not many people would wanna risk their life in malaysian football
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r u playing just for money? patut la tak ke mana.. we should take good example in mokhtar dahari era...u think they got paid handsomely? but still world class player....
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QUOTE(razuryza @ Sep 13 2007, 09:54 AM)
r u playing just for money? patut la tak ke mana.. we should take good example in mokhtar dahari era...u think they got paid handsomely? but still world class player....
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we stil need money to survive. im jsut saying if you have other choice, would you still choose football. for future concerns. football, mostly will play untill 35, with 3-5k per month until 35,not enough for the rest of your life. maybe thats y, thoose good players who have a choice, meaning they are fairly good in other fields, would not choose football. thats y we have the players that we have now. hope u get my point.

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Firstly , its this survival mentality which really restricts talents from rising. Not willing to take risks when you have the talent is one of the biggest problem seriously. You don't have to forsake your future by playing pro football.

Besides that, if money is really needed , you can always take a part time job.
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Firstly , its this survival mentality which really restricts talents from rising. Not willing to take risks when you have the talent is one of the biggest problem seriously. You don't have to forsake your future by playing pro football.

Besides that, if money is really needed , you can always take a part time job.
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Sorry but i think that's very naive.
If playing football is to be considered seriously as a career the financial reward must be substantial
Ppl aren't willing to take risks because it is their livelihood that is at stake. Why risk your future just to kick a ball? At a time when financial planning is more important than ever, suggesting a part time job when it comes to money is ridiculous.
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 12 2007, 12:10 PM)
i agree with you. people only know how to complaint. you can see from their post. they only know how to criticize. but never give opinion on why this thing happen and what we need to do to improve it. and for sure, they never know about our local league. they just proud of EPL, La Liga, Seria, Bundes League and so on.
I don't agree. If you look at the thread titled "malaysian football", you'll see a lot of people have given suggestions and not just criticised. Why repeat ourselves?

As for our local league, can you blame us? I was an avid Selangor fan and collected newspapers clippings and such. What happened? Greed, corruption? You name it. The league became farcial and the football stank. Why then do I not support it anymore? Why should I support something that doesn't want to improve itself? It's the same problem over and over again. It's not like supporting a relegated team that is fighting hard to gain promotion. So far, the FAM have been all talk about wanting to improve. No more talk! DO! Respect is not given, it is earned.
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It's time like this i wish Mokhtar Dahari is still alive. He'll be a great leader to clean up the crap in FAM. Also time for the truly great footballer from the glory days to take over and bring us back to where we belong in the footballing world.
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KJ is one of the leaders in the pack. Personally, I dont care what his plans is. I just want to see a result!
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Yup, that's up to new FAM leaders. For supporters, they just wanna see the result & end product, starting with 2007 SEA Games.
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Sorry but i think that's very naive.
If playing football is to be considered seriously as a career the financial reward must be substantial
Ppl aren't willing to take risks because it is their livelihood that is at stake. Why risk your future just to kick a ball? At a time when financial planning is more important than ever, suggesting a part time job when it comes to money is ridiculous.
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If you think no future in our local football. you are just naive.

If you think you just can play until 35, its show how bad is your thinking.

In football there is always career path.

Just take Shebby as example. After he retire where is he right now? football commentator.
Look at Dollah Salleh and Zainal Abidin Hassan, they became football coach. You can decide what is your future.
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 13 2007, 04:01 PM)
If you think no future in our local football. you are just naive.

If you think you just can play until 35, its show how bad is your thinking.

In football there is always career path.

Just take Shebby as example. After he retire where is he right now? football commentator.
Look at Dollah Salleh and Zainal Abidin Hassan, they became football coach. You can decide what is your future.
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Why not train to be a commentator right away then? You don't have to be a player to be one.

There is no future on local football unless something is done. What are we now 150th in the world or something? We've been on a steady decline for the past 2 years. If nothing changes, we'll continue to slide. If anything, it is naive to think the future is rosy and hope for the best without revamping the FAM.
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 13 2007, 04:01 PM)
If you think no future in our local football. you are just naive.

If you think you just can play until 35, its show how bad is your thinking.

In football there is always career path.

Just take Shebby as example. After he retire where is he right now? football commentator.
Look at Dollah Salleh and Zainal Abidin Hassan, they became football coach. You can decide what is your future.
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how about those not as successful as them rolleyes.gif

some cant even play until 32, especially striker or attacking midfielder doh.gif
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 13 2007, 02:36 PM)
I don't agree. If you look at the thread titled "malaysian football", you'll see a lot of people have given suggestions and not just criticised. Why repeat ourselves?

As for our local league, can you blame us? I was an avid Selangor fan and collected newspapers clippings and such. What happened? Greed, corruption? You name it. The league became farcial and the football stank. Why then do I not support it anymore? Why should I support something that doesn't want to improve itself? It's the same problem over and over again. It's not like supporting a relegated team that is fighting hard to gain promotion. So far, the FAM have been all talk about wanting to improve. No more talk! DO! Respect is not given, it is earned.
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Our football is improving. You can see the result from our U23 and U20 squad. We have good youngsters. Its only up to the management how to retain their talents.

i feel your pain mate. I really miss the moment when KL and Selangor meet. Jaguh Lembah Kelang.

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how about those not as successful as them    rolleyes.gif

some cant even play until 32, especially striker or attacking midfielder    doh.gif
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Try to understand. its you that manage where is your future will be. If you start at RM3K salary. You think you will end up getting RM3k until you stop playing football? doh.gif

Haris Safwan start to play for MPPJ when he studied at UM with less than 5K slary. Then he improve and get RM8K until MPPJ won the Malaysia Cup. Move to Selangor with 12K. and now with MyTeam.

With this figure if you know how to invest your money, you think you will end up nothing?

But as usual do you know who is Haris Safwan? tongue.gif Just imagine what Akmal Rizal earn.

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Our football is improving. You can see the result from our U23 and U20 squad. We have good youngsters. Its only up to the management how to retain their talents.

i feel your pain mate. I really miss the moment when KL and Selangor meet. Jaguh Lembah Kelang.
Those were sweet days for Malaysian football. I miss seeing the likes of Dollah Salleh, Zainal Abidin, Zolst Buchs, PAvel Korejcik, Karel Stromsik, K Gunalan, Alistair Edwards, Khan Hung Meng, Wong Hung Nung, Zainal Nordin, ex captain, Ismail Ibrahim and our very own supersub, P.Maniam! in action.
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Its was Selangor sweet day. Now its gonna be Kedah era.

Bunyamin and Badrul Bakhtiar now at Chelsea camp for one month.

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Those were sweet days for Malaysian football. I miss seeing the likes of Dollah Salleh, Zainal Abidin, Zolst Buchs, PAvel Korejcik, Karel Stromsik, K Gunalan, Alistair Edwards, Khan Hung Meng, Wong Hung Nung, Zainal Nordin, ex captain, Ismail Ibrahim and our very own supersub, P.Maniam! in action.
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i miss Karel Stromsik. He is great goal keeper. rclxms.gif

imagine how much Azman Adnan cost to go to Selangor from KL? RM1Million.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 13 2007, 09:41 AM)
Those were sweet days for Malaysian football. I miss seeing the likes of Dollah Salleh, Zainal Abidin, Zolst Buchs, PAvel Korejcik, Karel Stromsik, K Gunalan, Alistair Edwards, Khan Hung Meng, Wong Hung Nung, Zainal Nordin, ex captain, Ismail Ibrahim and our very own supersub, P.Maniam! in action.
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Those are the names I've been looking for a long time. Anyone remembers Alistair Edwards superb free-kick against Singapore during Malaysia Cup semifinal? Forgot which season but that was one hell of a goal. The sad thing was Selangor lost through aggregate I think. Seriously I'm missing those wonderful times. A few seasons ago we also had D.Surendren, a long shot specialist. Eh is there any Selangor football thread?

QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 13 2007, 09:43 AM)
Its was Selangor sweet day. Now its gonna be Kedah era.

Bunyamin and Badrul Bakhtiar now at Chelsea camp for one month.

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i miss Karel Stromsik. He is great goal keeper. rclxms.gif

imagine how much Azman Adnan cost to go to Selangor from KL? RM1Million.
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Anyway Selangor did a treble too before, it was in 2005 where we won the Premier League, FA Cup and the Malaysia Cup rclxms.gif But the problem with Selangor is one season they win everything then the next they lose everything too. Has been like this since the mid 90's.

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If you think no future in our local football. you are just naive.

If you think you just can play until 35, its show how bad is your thinking.

In football there is always career path.

Just take Shebby as example. After he retire where is he right now? football commentator.
Look at Dollah Salleh and Zainal Abidin Hassan, they became football coach. You can decide what is your future.
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When did i say there was no future? Don't just assume cause u would just make yourself look stupid.
Football is a career path but footballers make most of their income when they are playing. Only a few are successful after their playing careers. You mention Shebby. And i ask u what about those that don't have the talent for showbiz or any business sense? What do they do? Go work for McDonalds?

But not once did I mention that it's all doom and gloom. I for one believe that football is still a viable career path and that our youth sides have show more promise than the senior squad. But if u really want football to progress, u have to make it a really attractive proposition for kids (and their parents) to consider it as a serious career path. The bigger the pool is the more talent it will produce. Simple as that.
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QUOTE(verx @ Sep 13 2007, 08:44 PM)
When did i say there was no future? Don't just assume cause u would just make yourself look stupid.
Football is a career path but footballers make most of their income when they are playing. Only a few are successful after their playing careers. You mention Shebby. And i ask u what about those that don't have the talent for showbiz or any business sense? What do they do? Go work for McDonalds?
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Sorry. I shouldn't quote your post. Im replying to those who said that there is no future if you choose to become footballer. My apologies.

As what i said. once you become footballer, you can choose your career path or invest accordingly using your money. One good example is Amirul Nizam Mahathir. X-Kedah player and now playing with Perlis. He open a shoes shop. May be he can used his network to sponsor a player and get player to buy shoes from his shop.

Let say you dont have talent in showbiz or bussiness. you can always get a coach badge. With the reputation as football player, there is no question why people will not hire you. Coach is not just to become one for your state or club. We still need them at IPTA, IPTS and School. A lot to offer by them.

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But not once did I mention that it's all doom and gloom. I for one believe that football is still a viable career path and that our youth sides have show more promise than the senior squad. But if u really want football to progress, u have to make it a really attractive proposition for kids (and their parents) to consider it as a serious career path. The bigger the pool is the more talent it will produce. Simple as that.
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This is known problem. We need to start from basic. and school is the first target.

Last 10-15 years, we actually have this. At that time in Kedah, we have our own football state academy and they adopt a school to put their trainee in. Its a good step where easy for academy to manage their trainee by sending them to school and pick them up to back to their academy. If they adopt more school involving chinese and tamil gov school it will create more talent. But FAM stop this and this is their biggest mistake.
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QUOTE(bhypp @ Sep 10 2007, 02:38 PM)
okay....fellas....whu thinks that this will help?? okay we all agree no more roalyties.....the president refusing to budge, and the UMNO politician is also in....and uncontested?!?!!

it was quoted that sultan ahmad said that we live by democracy n thus voting is the way to go...but why is the seat of which khairy jamaluddin is in now is not being contested....shud he even be there in the 1st place...im pretty sure he got no footballing experience let alone lead the national governing body of the sport???  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif

and 5 others competed for the vice president n look how democracy ousted the royalty.... so issit now UMNO > kerabat ????

and wat u guys think the future got in place for the national team n the grassroot developments.....

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we are gonna hit 200 on the ranking before the end of the year
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so yeah, its gonna help in getting malaysia to 200
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QUOTE(johnjenin @ Sep 13 2007, 09:42 PM)
Sorry. I shouldn't quote your post. Im replying to those who said that there is no future if you choose to become footballer. My apologies.

As what i said. once you become footballer, you can choose your career path or invest accordingly using your money. One good example is Amirul Nizam Mahathir. X-Kedah player and now playing with Perlis. He open a shoes shop. May be he can used his network to sponsor a player and get player to buy shoes from his shop.

Let say you dont have talent in showbiz or bussiness. you can always get a coach badge. With the reputation as football player, there is no question why people will not hire you. Coach is not just to become one for your state or club. We still need them at IPTA, IPTS and School. A lot to offer by them.
Of course there are many options for footballers after their playing careers. That is not an issue. What I'm trying to say is that a footballer makes most of his income during his playing career. Or he should. If he isn't then u have to question whether they are being paid enough. If working as a coach or commentator can sustain a similar lifestyle why bother becoming a professional player? You have more long term stability being a coach/commentator and u can still play football with friends. I hope u understand where i'm going with this.

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This is known problem. We need to start from basic. and school is the first target.

Last 10-15 years, we actually have this. At that time in Kedah, we have our own football state academy and they adopt a school to put their trainee in. Its a good step where easy for academy to manage their trainee by sending them to school and pick them up to back to their academy. If they adopt more school involving chinese and tamil gov school it will create more talent. But FAM stop this and this is their biggest mistake.
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I have always opined that the problem with our football is because we are not doing enough at grassroots level. Even though some have suggested that racial politics have had a huge effect on the decline of our football, I find that very hard to believe...not because that it doesn't exist...I know full well seeing that I'm Chinese myself but I just don't see the inclusion of more Chinese or Indian players boosting our performances at national level. Simply because we are the minority in this country statistically speaking. But i generally agree that the FAM has been a farce for the past decade or more.
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QUOTE(kcng @ Sep 13 2007, 11:10 PM)
we are gonna hit 200 on the ranking before the end of the year
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so yeah, its gonna help in getting malaysia to 200
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on what circumstances you said that? care to elaborate?
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QUOTE(kcng @ Sep 13 2007, 11:10 PM)
we are gonna hit 200 on the ranking before the end of the year
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so yeah, its gonna help in getting malaysia to 200
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this man here should be the fam boss...correct or not apek? he'll emphasize on goalkeeping development only, and all the players must drive satria neo whistling.gif
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QUOTE(seruzz2003 @ Sep 14 2007, 01:22 PM)
this man here should be the fam boss...correct or not apek? he'll emphasize on goalkeeping development only, and all the players must drive satria neo whistling.gif
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at least nowdays they cared more to choose the best of the best in the country. not best of THIER state only
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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam2 @ Sep 15 2007, 10:09 PM)
at least nowdays they cared more to choose the best of the best in the country. not best of THIER state only
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choose like myteam program is more good
last time my team nearly win against the malaysia team still got good footballer in our country they just no show off
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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Sep 15 2007, 10:49 PM)
choose like myteam program is more good
last time my team nearly win against the malaysia team still got good footballer in our country they just no show off
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yea i agree. national players in Malaysia are way too relaxed. with the MyTeam program it'll give those lazy a*ses to start training hard and not to be beaten by a team thats formed for few months.
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QUOTE(jitkin @ Sep 15 2007, 11:25 PM)
yea i agree. national players in Malaysia are way too relaxed. with the MyTeam program it'll give those lazy a*ses to start training hard and not to be beaten by a team thats formed for few months.
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agree. i actually wanted MyTeam to win because it would humiliate our National team even more. Malaysian Team = Jaguh Kampung biggrin.gif

but the current under 23 and 20 r doing good. fighting spirit. hope they dun burn out too soon..

KJ in?? hmm.gif give him time and lets see. if he succeeds turning malaysian team around then good for him.

if not, well... then we really know he only talk c@ck. laugh.gif

but MyTeam was his idea kan?
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QUOTE(kcng @ Sep 13 2007, 11:10 PM)
we are gonna hit 200 on the ranking before the end of the year
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so yeah, its gonna help in getting malaysia to 200
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i like 200. This is Malaysiaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
i am a burmese anyway.
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