This is a very touching story!
Sounds a bit like mine.
Once she was in a terrible plight. Then a hero comes along, seized her out of the slump. And then she met the price charming, Iggy..and live happily ever after..
Hahaha..

Hi malowie,

I think that there's nothing wrong with soybean protein.
It's a source of protein for glider.
But the problem is fungus that produce mycotoxins that cause contamination to the soybean, corn, nuts..
It's harmful not only to glider but also to human and livestock. It's a big problem to animal producer.
If the soybean meal has been produced in proper process and tested for the presence of mycotoxin, then it is safe.
I find that a lot of animal feeds are made of wheats, corn, soybean, oats ingredients. And i supplement my tortoise with oats, wheat germs and alfafa.
To be on the safe side, i don't encourage people to give glider soy or corn based meal, and any type of nuts.
This is just my opinion.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Dec 31 2007, 04:56 PM

Hey Qiqie, cute cute ..
Quqie just woke up too? Have such nice sparkling eyes..
Happy new year!!!

I have similar experience, I was in pet shop one day while a lady inquired about the star tortoise, i gave an account on how to care for the tortoise because i feel that she needs to know the commitment involved in taking care of the pets.
Yeah, we need to maintain our right stance and adament to share our right view.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 2 2008, 01:26 PM

My suggies will defecate right after or during their meal time only. I will only let them out for exploration after their meal and their business. At other time, they seldom poo. It has been their habit since.
Thus, her pouches are not often soiled and rarely need washing.

Btw, you mentioned proviousy about your suggies' exploration? where do you let your suggies explore, which compound in the house?
For me, i'm not so adventurous and daring to let them venture further from me. Anyway, most of the time they are quite attached and don't wander far.
About suggies making noise in the class. For me, in the beginning there has been an incident where my male suggie really misbehaved and was squeling non-stop in the office and i got some remarks from colleagues.
At first i put the blame on his mischief. But later on i realised that yet i was there embarrased by my colleagues complaints and didn't know that my poor suggie complained even more about his umcomfortable environment.
Later on i changed his cage environment and they never crab anymore and sleep soundly.
If the suggie is making noise, it could mean they are uncomfortable or feel insecure.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 2 2008, 06:05 PM

Your cage looks very familiar to me and suddenly it appears to me that it's my former cage. Quite a spacious one indeed..
It's so good that your suggies know how to excercise and keep fit. i think it will be an advantage to their well being. I should try that next time and do you train them from young?
I'm just afraid to encounter the disappointment if they don't appeciate and utilise this expensive excercising equipment since you say that it's pricey. So not yet come up to a decision.

Yeah, you really don't know until you try it.
I think i should be more optimistic with it.
It was a bad experience that i had with my GP that cast the doubts.
I bought stuff like excercising ball for them and my hard earned money gone down the drain.. haha.

jinhoe,

welcome to join our discussion..
here is a platform to share your joy as well as pain, haha..
It has become so rampant that such mistreating of joeys cases happen, and to such extent that i my self have become insensate by the cruelty.

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Added on January 3, 2008, 6:43 pmOne of my suggie has a soft mushy stool with offensive smell today, sending a warning signal to me to be wary of his diet selection. Cutting down on the vege tonight. Hope that it will improve.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 3 2008, 07:01 PM

No, i think he probably meant that the joey is 1 month old now and open for booking, he will release it at 2 mths old. I don't think that he's that reckless.
Have you spoken to him?

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 3 2008, 07:00 PM

refer to KP's garage sale for wodent wheel. Price stated there.

The keynote is observation. try to observe their characteristic and you will get the clue.. haha

Wear a jersey. Then you will be able to play a game of "now you see now you don't" with your suggie. It's fun.

I want to know what's that either. What's that huh?

Wow.. a very typical sleepling beauty.. a kiss will arouse her from the slumber, haha..

OH NO..(panic)

AAA...HH. (relaxed)

HHMMM...

the first sentence got my adrenalin running wild for a while.. thank God nothing happen..

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 3 2008, 10:30 PM

I didn't purposely train them as you know, the chance of success in training a suggie is in close poximity to 0%, don't you agree? haha..
But i observe that for mine they empty their bowels in the container almost at the instant and after they finish their meal.
Then they will not likely to poo so much later on and esp. on you.

You wear a jersey, then at the junction between your arms and shoulder, strap rubber band, so that they won't be abe to enter inside your sleeves and claw your arms.
Then put a towel on your lap so they can't claw your thighs.
Naturally, your SG will play hide and seek in your jersey.
But take great care not to accidentally squash or lean or sit on them or you will be very sorry.
This is one way to bond with them and let them be acquainted with your scent.


Ok, got to go for zzz...now, seeya spinel_son. Sweet dreams.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 3 2008, 11:18 PM

good idea, but not to intimidate them because i don't think they will be so easily scared.
Maybe to share educational information with them and to express our passion and concern for suggies, but the responsibility will be theirs.


This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 4 2008, 09:33 AM

To add on, when you give a glider to another person, you are saying on behalf of that person "From now on I will watch less TV and spend more time with the suggies, I will set apart allocations for buying a spacious accommodation for them, allowance for food, worms, insects and dietary supplement. I will clean and wipe their cage, prepare food and water...I have to keep an eye on them for their safety, I will have to spend time accumulating whatever knowledge about health issues and vetinary treatment if possibly when they get sick. If I'm planning for vacation, I need to plan for their custody etc. I will have to do all this not for a year but for as far as they can live up to 10 years."

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Added on January 4, 2008, 11:48 amCan wear anything as long as it's COOL.. haha.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 4 2008, 11:48 AM

Are you serious and really will go for it with a letter and a bold front before these people that you only know them by their look?
Are you seriously contemplating this?

Long time i have not been to PS, can't even recall when was the last time i visisted there. But if i really see with my own eyes what you all described here, maybe i will be confronting them with letters ..haha.

Who's Hun? Let me guess.. is it Cxxxxxxxxx?

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Added on January 4, 2008, 4:36 pmI think i will try to come up with a spreadsheet on care for gliders this weekend, then one of these fine days, i wil make a trip there and see whether i can persuade them to take off those basking lamp.
And try to understand from them why are they selling underaged joeys.
Need to slot this in my scedule.
I actually have the contact of the head of the Tobypet management a year ago, but hope didn't misplace it somewhere and if possible would like to have a word with him, if he has not resigned.

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Added on January 4, 2008, 5:09 pmCould it be that they may or may not aware that the lights are detrimental to suggies but in order that they want the spectacle of the suggies to be clear under bright light for people to be able to see the suggies, if the enclosure is dark, so they mount the basking lamp there.
A light for display purposes may be fine but if it's excessively bright and affect the suggies, i think we must voice it out then.
I think one of these days would like to pop in there and take a look at the condition.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 4 2008, 05:09 PM

I just spoke to the manager of Tobypet just now as i'm the type that don't like to wait for tomorrow to get things done.
I told him about the lighting. He said that the light they use is the normal light. It's not heating lamp, he said that it's placed at 2 1/2 feet high.
Secondly, he said that the joeys from the breeders are weaned, able to take solid food.
Then i told him that their eyes are not opened, and he said that they don't want to suffer the loss of income either by getting unweaned joeys.

I'm sorry, i'm not able to change the circumstances.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 4 2008, 06:17 PM

As per my conversation with the person in charge of Tobypet, we agreed that pets lover and pets dealer are on different ground, as they have rental issues etc to be concerned with. He expressed that they do wish to get good and healthy suggies from his supplier. But it's not their normal way of business to reject unhealthy suggies from the breeder and accept only the healthy suggies only. And they also must get in a considerable amount, no one will be interested to supply if the order is little.
Yeah, i do agree with you that they receive what the supplier provides. And " they have constant demand and to wait for the joeys to be fully weaned will cost them money" is probably true.
And it's true also that the dealer do not know the actual age of suggie, as he told me that it's not apt to ask the dealer how they breed, age etc.. in business.
So when the gliders come from breeder, it comes in all sort of conditions.
And he told me that the joeys have a better demand than those fully grown adult gliders, people pursue for babies and no one wants adult gliders, so some ignorant buyer could end up acquiring the underaged ones.

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Added on January 5, 2008, 5:23 pmIn the case where cruelty is concerned,

If we think that it should draw the attention of the ministry or department, we can make a letter to the Jabatan and report it and it's their duty to make investigation as well as enforcement. It's not for us to deal with the breeders or the traders.

This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 5 2008, 05:23 PM

Hey i didn't know you run a boarding lodge.. now i know where to send all my animals to haha...just kidding.

Can we do that? Wow, we can be on the headlines..
PLC? What's that huh? Electrical part called Programme Logic Controller? Haha, Sorry, I'm an abbreviation dummy.

Yea lah, you got to choose between either to love PET or MONEY, heehee.. cuz if you have pets, you have no money.

Got to ask you what's your female glider's name, nothing can be dug out from my memory la, got a short memory.
I know Jarrah.
OK, here's a picture of my male glider. His name is... ... .. is.. Can't tell. Embarassing you know. Don't have such nice name like yours hehe.
Anyway, if some other glider is impersonating mine in this picture, no one will know cuz all the gliders more or less sama aje
Anyway, i put on this sweater just to protect my hand from his hands..



This post has been edited by silverwineus: Jan 6 2008, 03:11 PM