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post Sep 10 2007, 01:32 PM, updated 17y ago

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I undervolt my E6600 @ 2.4Ghz from stock 1.325V to 1.020V with temperature @ 44C full-load with room ambient @ 30C (CPU stress test with orthos > 2hr in progress w/o any error yet); Super PI gave me no impact on the performance. Btw, will undervolt cause any harm to the CPU or other components? Thks in advance~

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post Sep 10 2007, 01:36 PM

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tat is underclocking...main advantages is to save power comsumption...i do it too...

i don think there is any harm to the processor
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post Sep 10 2007, 01:39 PM

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underclock = lower than default speeds.
undervolt = lower than default voltages
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thumbup.gif, used to do it on my Venice E6, instead of 1.4, i use 1.2vCore, damn i love the temp even on stock heatsink, well that's the old story eh... tongue.gif
anyway, there's nothing wrong with undervolting/underclocking, it's just lead to unstable system due to low voltage supplied icon_idea.gif, correct me if i'm wrong... icon_idea.gif blush.gif
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QUOTE(nate_nightroad @ Sep 10 2007, 01:36 PM)
tat is underclocking...main advantages is to save power comsumption...i do it too...

i don think there is any harm to the processor
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QUOTE(slash @ Sep 10 2007, 01:39 PM)
underclock = lower than default speeds.
undervolt = lower than default voltages
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@nate_nightroad, as slash mentioned, it is undervolt not underclock and thus i suppose there is no impact on the performance, mind to tell your setup?


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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Sep 10 2007, 01:42 PM)
thumbup.gif, used to do it on my Venice E6, instead of 1.4, i use 1.2vCore, damn i love the temp even on stock heatsink, well that's the old story eh... tongue.gif
anyway, there's nothing wrong with undervolting/underclocking, it's just lead to unstable system due to low voltage supplied icon_idea.gif, correct me if i'm wrong... icon_idea.gif blush.gif
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orthos should be able to test on the stablity right? thks~

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i did mine same as urs which is at 1.020V..but i also underclock mine as well from 2.4 till 1.9...

run steady...can play most of the games(oblivion,nba,fifa,C&C)....

temp i think is around 40+
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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Sep 10 2007, 01:42 PM)
thumbup.gif, used to do it on my Venice E6, instead of 1.4, i use 1.2vCore, damn i love the temp even on stock heatsink, well that's the old story eh... tongue.gif
anyway, there's nothing wrong with undervolting/underclocking, it's just lead to unstable system due to low voltage supplied icon_idea.gif, correct me if i'm wrong... icon_idea.gif blush.gif
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It is best to test for stability when you undervolt and underclocked. I usually run orthos blend test for 6-12 hours at that underclock/undervolt setting. If it passes, then I would consider the rig 99.99% stable.... smile.gif
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I undervolt my laptop. The laptop is now cool enough to be switched on 24/7 with folding@home, without laptop coolers. I think undervolting actually extends the life of the processor, instead of causing damage. I do prime95 for at least 6 hours to determine the lowest stable voltage.
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yes its safe but generally it cannot exceed the -10% mark IIRC
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QUOTE(DaRkSyThE @ Sep 10 2007, 09:17 PM)
yes its safe but generally it cannot exceed the -10% mark IIRC
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I undervolted 22.69%. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(DaRkSyThE @ Sep 10 2007, 09:17 PM)
yes its safe but generally it cannot exceed the -10% mark IIRC
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Is that referring to the voltage or the speed? I would guess the vcore right? hmm.gif
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post Sep 10 2007, 09:22 PM

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Should be vcore. smile.gif
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I see. I did do some research on undervolting previously but never came across anything saying that the vcore should not be lower than a certain percentage.

The only thing that was theorectically harmful was for older generation AMD CPUs, something about mem controller shouldn't be less than 0.325v compared with the vcore....
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Sep 10 2007, 09:19 PM)
I undervolted 22.69%. thumbup.gif
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mak aii shocking.gif nicee.....

wan question when the proc in fullload also no problem rite even u undervolt it?if u passed orthos shud be stable.During gaming suddenly hanged or restart wud be annoying sweat.gif
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QUOTE(styloe @ Sep 11 2007, 01:46 AM)
mak aii  shocking.gif  nicee.....

wan question when the proc in fullload also no problem rite even u undervolt it?if u passed orthos shud be stable.During gaming suddenly hanged or restart wud be annoying  sweat.gif
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My system have to be rock stable since I do folding@home. If it's unstable, folding will fail. I recommend running 2 instances of Prime95 to test for undervolting stablity.
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QUOTE(mengsuan @ Sep 11 2007, 09:33 AM)
My system have to be rock stable since I do folding@home. If it's unstable, folding will fail. I recommend running 2 instances of Prime95 to test for undervolting stablity.
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any differences if i running orthos instead of 2x prime5 as i suppose orthos = prime95 x2.
just now tried 0.88V, the system passed POST but failed to boot-in windows sweat.gif
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undervolting recommended for laptop? i've undervolt mine around 15% using NHC - dynamic switching. now my voltage is same with sonoma LV processor. i'm using sonoma 1.86GHz , 533MHz FSB

there was once the laptop crash while on battery, other wise on AC no problems what so ever.
already stress test while on AC for 6 hours, no problem.

how to stress test on battery?

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QUOTE(gary_cheah85 @ Sep 13 2007, 05:21 PM)
undervolting recommended for laptop? i've undervolt mine around 15% using NHC - dynamic switching. now my voltage is same with sonoma LV processor. i'm using sonoma 1.86GHz , 533MHz FSB

there was once the laptop crash while on battery, other wise on AC no problems what so ever.
already stress test while on AC for 6 hours, no problem.

how to stress test on battery?
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yes, i undervolted my T7200 as well and the outcome is impressive, really cooling down a lot than what i expected (i posted the setting & outcome mths ago). crash on battery? could it be just a coincidence?
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Sep 13 2007, 10:21 AM)
any differences if i running orthos instead of 2x prime5 as i suppose orthos = prime95 x2.
just now tried 0.88V, the system passed POST but failed to boot-in windows sweat.gif
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I'm not so sure about orthos. I've never used it. tongue.gif

My laptop remains stable even it's on batteries. Maybe you should add another notch of voltage for improved stability.
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the stock vcore of the e6600 is 0.85 - 1.35
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Undervolting has the following benefits
-longer lifespan icon_rolleyes.gif
-cooler running cool2.gif
-power savings (and electricity bill savings at that rclxm9.gif )

Only downside is that it might not be stable, but how to check for that is already mentioned here. You can stabilise a undervolted proc by
-underclocking
-increasing the voltage slightly
-cooling it further (not very effective, needs to be subzero for any significant effect)
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stock Vcore for my proc is 1.35V. last time with stock cooler, i undervolt to 1.185V, oc to 3.01GHz, stable.

now using TT Big Typ, can oc to3.15GHz, but then need to increase Vcore to 1.225V

still lower than the stock Vcore..

orthos all stable saja, 24/7 running no problem...

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if both cpu remain at stock vcore but one is OC (the other one stays at stock clock), will both still have the same temperature and power consumption? thks~
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post Sep 21 2007, 06:57 PM

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Sorry for my noob question, can I undervolt the proc like e2140 and in the same time overclock the proc?

Since the e21xx series got is a good oc proc, undervolt it and overclock a bit of speed, is it possible??
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Possible. The limit of overclocking will then be determined by your Vcore.
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Another question,will it be cooler and save more powers?
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QUOTE(5564321 @ Sep 21 2007, 06:57 PM)
Sorry for my noob question, can I undervolt the proc like e2140 and in the same time overclock the proc?

Since the e21xx series got is a good oc proc, undervolt it and overclock a bit of speed, is it possible??
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yes, undervolt & oc gradually and test the stability with orthos

QUOTE(5564321 @ Sep 21 2007, 07:05 PM)
Another question,will it be cooler and save more powers?
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i suppose that is the purpose of undervolt wink.gif
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UNCLOCKING
- confirmed it will reduce LOTS of heat from proc

jz tested using stock HSF on my e6400@2.13Ghz stock spd but undervolt to 0.99v

on TAT,
stock voltage ~68C(idle), load 100% >80C sweat.gif
at 0.99v ~53C(idle), load 100% <65C

close case, in A/C room....dam gd im gonna cont undervolt 24/7 from now on unless i OC

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running Opty144 @ 1.30V (stock 1.4V) and push a lil' bit speed (aound 35%) .
stable , lower heat produce .
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QUOTE(toda6866 @ Sep 22 2007, 12:43 PM)
UNCLOCKING
- confirmed it will reduce LOTS of heat from proc

jz tested using stock HSF on my e6400@2.13Ghz stock spd but undervolt to 0.99v

on TAT,
stock voltage ~68C(idle), load 100% >80C sweat.gif
at 0.99v ~53C(idle), load 100% <65C

close case, in A/C room....dam gd im gonna cont undervolt 24/7 from now on unless i OC
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idle at 68C... shocking.gif very hot temp dude....
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QUOTE(RokXIII @ Sep 23 2007, 08:19 PM)
idle at 68C... shocking.gif very hot temp dude....
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Yeah, there's something wrong with your rig. It shouldn't be that hot even in a closed case system. Are you sure the CPU HSF is seated properly and the fan is running? hmm.gif
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◎toda6866, RokXIII & kmarc are right, the temp shud not be that "furious" even at stock vcore, hsf & clock, how do u get the readings? is yours es? what about bios readings?
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brisbane 4000+ @1Ghz 0.784V, @2.1Ghz (stock) 1.008V. using crystalcpuid, readings by cpuz, ccpuid settings are actually at 0.800V and 1.025V. @1Ghz can go as low as 0.752, but no options on ccpuid. 1 don't like rmclock tongue.gif

turion x2 tl-52 taylor. @800Mhz can go as low as 0.732 using rmclock. but using ccpuid. i tried changing the settings in the ini files and get 0.775V @1.6Ghz 0.85V.

all stable with orthoz.

unfortunately, 2 notebooks and 3 desktop, i only bought an AMD system biggrin.gif not that i'm a fan, its just cheaper.
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1.16G @ 0.85v [idle]
2.32G @ 1.125v [middle]
2.9G @ 1.4v [load]

using RMClock.
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Running at 1.25v ( stock 1.35 ), all good smile.gif
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hi guys, just some update on my undervolted e6600, pairing it with g92 8800gts, during playing cm:dirt, the game hang occasionally, so i increase a bit from 1.020V to 1.075V (stock is 1.325V), the hang issue solved nod.gif
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QUOTE(toda6866 @ Sep 22 2007, 12:43 PM)
UNCLOCKING
- confirmed it will reduce LOTS of heat from proc

jz tested using stock HSF on my e6400@2.13Ghz stock spd but undervolt to 0.99v

on TAT,
stock voltage ~68C(idle), load 100% >80C sweat.gif
at 0.99v ~53C(idle), load 100% <65C

close case, in A/C room....dam gd im gonna cont undervolt 24/7 from now on unless i OC
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That is pretty high temp.I oc an E4500 to 3.05ghz(305x10),1.44v i think and load 66C also very scary liao but pass OCCT sweat.gif
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should be no problem, my friend undervolt his sempron to 1.1v biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(5564321 @ Sep 21 2007, 06:57 PM)
Sorry for my noob question, can I undervolt the proc like e2140 and in the same time overclock the proc?

Since the e21xx series got is a good oc proc, undervolt it and overclock a bit of speed, is it possible??
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yes.. it is possible, oc a bit only does not effect too much things biggrin.gif

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i had try once oc my opty170 from stock 1.35V to 1.2V and oc to 250mhx , 2.5Ghz 1000htt and runnning occt for few hours no problem.
my ram was setting lower to 333mhz rather then ddr400
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For those who doens know much about OC stuff....there is a way of Unclocking. wat i did was i enables the Speedstep function in the bios (using Asus P5n-e-sli) and then once i'm in windows, go to the power option in control panel...just choose portable/laptop as ur power scheme...this will lower down everything.

it saves energy, reduce heat productivity and its a instant setting. u can change it back to the default speed at anytime as long as u are in the window tongue.gif

but the downside is that the speed is fixed. E.G i'm using e6420. at Home/office desk setting..it runs at 2.13ghz the default speed, when i change it to protable/laptop power scheme the speed is 1.60ghz.... normally wat i did was i change it to protable/laptop when i'm downloading biggrin.gif and then i go to slep biggrin.gif

i'm using watercooling for my system.

home/office 2.13ghz 29c 1.300v (LYN & web surfing)
Protable/laptop 1.60ghz 26c 1.138v (LYN & web surfing)

the tempreture will be 2c-3c lower when i'm not using the pc.

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I doubt underclocking harms the CPU, but if u go too low, u wont have a stable uc/u volt
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under volt my e8400, running at stock 3ghz @ 0.976v, idle 32c, load 32c, fanless air-con room, non air-con idle 34c, load 39c biggrin.gif
damn satisfy since no need pay so much to tnb biggrin.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif

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Mine must be costing a lot of tariffs then, at 1.58v
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Im also under volt, just slightly under volt.
Now running 1.28v on vCore.
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my QX9650 on power saving mode undervolt to 0.9276
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EIST & C1E turned off and i undervolt my Q9650 to 1.06v load stable rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(AceCombat @ Mar 15 2009, 08:04 PM)
EIST & C1E turned off and i undervolt my Q9650 to 1.06v load stable rclxms.gif
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with EIST & C1E disabled = proc can be further undervolted?
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u shouldn't disable them. Undervolt is not related anyway but if disable them the frequency increase while idle which consume more electric and generate more heat.
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if turn off hdd can download? coz the portable/laptop configuration switch off hdd after 30min right?

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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Sep 24 2007, 08:04 PM)
◎toda6866, RokXIII & kmarc are right, the temp shud not be that "furious" even at stock vcore, hsf & clock, how do u get the readings?  is yours es?  what about bios readings?
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wah dug up an old thread, then saw my old post...... >1yr now only i reply again laugh.gif

im using S1283 HSF edi (since last yr i think) so when i was replacing my old intel stock HSF found out i din not press d push pins hard enuff onto d motherbored..... doh.gif

so dat crazy temp was bcoz of my noobness. if any newbies reading this, pls do take note n dun b so noob like me, wink.gif


now running 3.2gHz@400fsb /1.26vcore (undervolting but overclocking proc) temp max only 66C running orthos

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Lowest i can go with my mobo... in terms of volt.
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the best i could do it. IBT 16 tests stable.
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May i know,what kind of software u guys use to downlocking/undervolting?
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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Mar 29 2009, 07:18 PM)
May i know,what kind of software u guys use to downlocking/undervolting?
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You may reduce the voltage/clock speed settings accordingly in your BIOS and use stability software to test.
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I think Fyonne is via bios undervolting. Mine is a combination of bios and windows. Get windows to force speedstep and never let the proc run at 100% capability.

Not sure if it works the same for AMD's technology for power saving.

@Fyonne... wahhh 0.996v... play around with gtls maybe can get it lower abit more?

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But isnt it troublesome?
Need to restart to set everytime want a powersaving settings.Is there any software to set?
AMD technology is the same,but my mobo doesnt allow it to b enable if im overclocking - -
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Nah, in windows 7 it is saved and locked that way. If you want to change the amount of processor % on the fly no problem also.

But since you cannot enable cool&quiet, then I don't know if the OS can help you clock down the clock/volts....
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QUOTE(cyloh @ Mar 29 2009, 07:27 PM)
I think Fyonne is via bios undervolting. Mine is a combination of bios and windows. Get windows to force speedstep and never let the proc run at 100% capability.

Not sure if it works the same for AMD's technology for power saving.

@Fyonne... wahhh 0.996v... play around with gtls maybe can get it lower abit more?
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enlight me with it. im still pretty newbie on tweaking stuff other than vCore.

QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Mar 29 2009, 07:43 PM)
But isnt it troublesome?
Need to restart to set everytime want a powersaving settings.Is there any software to set?
AMD technology is the same,but my mobo doesnt allow it to b enable if im overclocking - -
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depend on wat mobo u using, my guess is now most mobo came with their own OC program. i usually adjust initial setting on BIOS, n test n set the optimum one slowly thru windows (in this case, im using Gigabyte EasyTune6 that came with my mobo)
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In order to use EIST, you have to enable it in the BIOS and turn it on in your OS: http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/CS-028855.htm
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QUOTE(Fyonne @ Mar 29 2009, 08:18 PM)
enlight me with it. im still pretty newbie on tweaking stuff other than vCore.
In your bios should have GTL voltage settings(that depends on what mobo also, not all will have).
Should have GTL1 and GTL2 usually. Set both to 63. Or to the lowest u can set I guess.

Hey if you downclock lower than 3ghz, who knows? you might be able to run your chip 0.8v on 2.5ghz biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Anyone knows for a quad core, if you disable Core Multi-processing in bios(become dual core), does it fully shut down
2 cores and therefore saving 50% watts?
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post Mar 29 2009, 11:46 PM

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When my main rig proc is idling, it runs at 401x6=2.4ghz at 1.03v. My intel board doesnt allow any undervolting beyond the speedstep limits

On my amd rig, at idle it runs at 1.2ghz at 0.8v. At this low voltage state, i've actually locked the multiplier n voltage & stress tested it without the fan running. The proc remained below 60C even after an hour biggrin.gif
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post Apr 5 2009, 02:57 PM

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hahahah

nice2 undervolt can safe money tongue.gif

i duuno when i want to undervolt my proc coz now im really2 got poison to oc
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post Apr 6 2009, 07:23 AM

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Play oc first, when get bored only undervolt.

I'm curious on phenom's undervolt/underclock ability..... should b way better than intel i'm guessing.
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post Apr 6 2009, 08:38 AM

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undervolt my E6320 from 1.3375 to 1.25 and overclocked it 3.0GHz. though not that stable but it doesnt have problem for my daily use, gaming also no problem.

 

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