My maltese are on Orijen, Maya is on Acana.

I guess afterall, it is to find out a range of good products, and see which SUITS your dog most. Some might find that certain brand brings negative effects to their dogs but some others might realise that it actually improves the dog's condition, same food, different dogs.

So the best bet is, dont ever get low quality dog food, which certainly will bring worst effects; choose only good quality dog food, and find out the best for your dog.

You mean the price for Puppy or adult? Retail price for puppy is RM158 while for adult is RM138, but normally my loyal customer will get some rebates + delivery. You buy from Economy Pets?

Yah, normally people who collect at USJ or our customer who repeat purchase we will give a 10% discount.

If our loyal customers can get anywhere else cheaper, they can acknolwedge us by PM me, we shall adjust the price accordingly.

This post has been edited by White Palace: Sep 16 2007, 03:45 PM

Congrats, finally u have chosen one. Thats the great thing abt forum. Do share with us how u find Acana is alrite?

Actually to be more precise, they have breeder pack for breeders that have certain amount of dogs.

Puppy is for toy breed & medium breed puppies, puppy large is for large breed puppies. Unless u want your toy breed to grow into bigger size, else choose puppy lor.

2.5kg Orijen retail price is RM46, normally we will give discount 10% if it is around USJ area, and our loyal customer will get better pricing of corse. If they able to get anywhere else cheaper we oways willing to adjust the price.

Very good article, read similar stuffs at Pets Club magazine too, wanted to post but i dont think needed now.

No doubt non of the food on the market is perfect & suits every dogs, so what can we pet owners do is look at the facts - the ingredients! Choosing the best dog food available wouldnt cost us as much as the potential vet bills in long run if we were to choose dog food consisting unfavourable ingredients.

Read up, do more research, it is very important when comes to food.

Pennywise,

I think your dog has rashes might not due to the high protein level, i would say it is fairer to say that Orijen is not suitable for your dog.

I have 12 dogs at home feeding Orijen, and non of them have rashes on them despite 11 of them (maltese) are not brought out for a walk, they just roam free at home.

While for Maya (which is Malaysian Mongrel), i used to fed him with Rotal Canine that i won from doggy day and she started to has rashes on her. I switched it to Blackwood as i left a lot when switch to Orijen for my maltese, and she starts to show sign of itchiness and start chewing on her body. Then i thought perhaps i switch to Acana yet the itchiness doesnt reduce and her fur starts to drop!

I seek vet's advice and according to him, it is allergic instead of skin problem. I brought Maya out for walk & run daily so i really don't think that high Protein level will cause rashes if we do not exercise the dog.

At last, although for Maya's size feeding Orijen will burns bigger hole at my pocket, I decided to feed her. I dare not comment previously cause I need prove, and now, my Maya has no rashes and the fur grown back already.

No hard feelings, but for discussion sake, i wish to pour in my side of view too, hope you wont mind. So far non of my customer complains that Orijen causes rashes (I sold worth thousands of Orijen) so I would say Orijen just not suitable to your dog or perhaps maybe it might due to other problem since your vet did treated Casper while you switch from Orijen to other brand?

Alright, regarding protein level. From my side of understanding is, meat protein can be easily absorbed by dogs while if from plants it is harder and burdens the digest system more.

Last time, when you consult a vet, they will tell you that Alpo0O, PedigreEes etc are not a good brand, switch to Science Diet or Eukanuba instead because at that time, these are the best source. Then, dog owners tend to concern more on the well-beings on dogs, so they looking for dog food which main ingredients are not corn, because if you eat corn, you will know most are not absorbed & how can these corn protein absorbs in your dog body?!

Disregard "Premium" or "Super Premium" as these are just names/titles for commercial purposes. It doesnt require a dog food to meet any criteria to put on these titles.

Then, there goes Holistic meals. Some ingredients are really good, but some, really so-so. We gotta do our own research on the ingredients to identify good ones.

And now, like most forumers here, we love our dog like our own kid! We buy supplements for them, we wish them can eat food that quality is equal to ours! Hence, there goes "Human Grade Quality" dog food, such as Orijen & Innova Evo.

Generally feeding these food, you don't really need to give extra supplements, and the quality control is much stricter, ingredients inside are considered cautiously since the nature of their target is to provide the best. They replace pure meat as the source of protein to replace protein from plant.

To me, the right source of protein should be from meat, not plant. No point to see the analysis of the protein level if it doesnt reflects the true percentage of the dog able to digest. I felt that the right level of protein for dogs should be 40% since this is what it should be if the protein is from pure meat! Corns or any other sort of plant protein is used previously since it cost much lesser.

I'm not trying to conclude that Orijen is the best for ALL dogs. No diet is perfect so what we can do is to look for products with best ingredients, if it is not suitable, switch to the next best alternative. And also to clarify the confusion of protein level, I would say i will be more worry about whether my dog will absorbed sufficient amount of protein from plant source rather than over protein from meat which should be what they get the protein from.

Hopefully, i didnt offend anybody as i had double checked, this article is just for the sake of discussion.

Zinpro, brought in by champion pet also, was introduced this thing but i'm not sure whether it is good. You try already let me know alrite? Thanks wo.

Great! I'm so precautious coz i know lots of forumers will take things personally, so...

Alrite, for the sake to increase my Orijen sale, so that i can sell worth thousands more to be super rich, we shall continue our discussion.

I'm not trying to justify that excessive protein woldnt turn into fats. My main concern that i wish to pass on is, if excessive protein is a dog owner's concern, they should be more concern of the source of protein. If the source of protein is from plants, then it will upset the digestive system and the true amount of protein might be very much little from the analysis shown. So now, shouldnt we concern about "under-protein" than "over-protein"? Perhaps we should do more research on what will happen to a dog if they are lack of protein & worry about the burdens adds on to the dog's digestive system because they are not meant to digest plant's protein?

And if a dog owner finds that dogs feed with high level of meat will become fat, i thought that the owner should reduce the sum of food, else it is simply just an owner's responsibility to works the dogs out.

What i'm selling is what i'm using on my own dogs which i find best, i believe that to recommend a product, you must be a believer. But I had never failed to switch to a better one. I used to feed my dog with blackwo0d for abt 1 year and at that time, i thought that food is good and introduce to forumers, when i start to mention Blackwood, most asks me "what is that?" sadly after one year, i find that all my dog's skin & coat dried up, so i switched. If i found another dog food that is much better than Orijen, you will see me encouraging ppl to use other brand instead.

yo chris, need to say until like that meh? juz small small discussion only neh.

If your dog is allergic to certain brand, then my advice is switch brands. If after you switching few brands still the same, then the next stage is to look at the similarity of ingredients of these brands i.e. all the brands you fed contains chicken. then avoid buying kibbles with such content. Eliminating & analyse the ingredients until you find out what your dog is allergic to. But of corse, you must check with the vet to confirm it is not skin problems but allergic.

Yah, i was worry too, but dont seems to be a problem they will get used to it. The reason is for Orijen or perhaps any other dog food that main ingredients are real meat, it is very fulling. If a dog food consist mostly fillers, we are just filling a dog's stomach without any real nutrients in there, just make the stomach full but come out as poo poo, no point right?

LOL! Then later pennywise will tease me again say me got better biz liao, HAHAHA!

Anyway, I do not simply push a product but yet, it is from my point of view. So do feel free to do more research on your part too!

Definitely good ingredients and i will say should be one of the priority product to try, but of corse it must suit your furkids. If not suitable, no point giving also, try the next best alternative then.

Well, actually i'm not nutritionist, so i can't give you answer on everything, professionally. So perhaps you can give me advice, too! But i believe what you say is true, no matter what brands, if we overfed, it is a waste or it turns into fat. But if you ask what is my main point posting here, i'm just trying to express my concern of "source of protein". Cause as what i've read and believed, dogs should get protein from meat and they hardly digest protein from plants. But at the same time, I do agree if a dog couldnt tolerate a high level of protein, they should switch. Yet, i disagree that 40% should be titled high level, since dogs should get protein from meat which naturally high in protein level. BUT at the same time, i couldnt conclude whether 20%, 30% or 40% is the right level of protein, as i did not do any studies on these. What my thought is just that, if plant protein can't be absorbed mostly, so are we getting the percentage of protein as per the analysis?

Hope my postings dont sound complicating, my English was very very very poor until once i committed with a big quarel in forum, and i start learning language skills a little.

When we talk about homecooked food, we are talking about a balanced diet, not scrap from what we human eat. So many times, it is hard for us to really give a balanced diet, i.e. how do we know what nutrients is in 1 piece of meat? That's why many dog owners are feeding dog kibbles.

Certain dogs are allergic to chicken, same for beef! So there aren't much different actually, it is just that which suits your dog more.

Yes, must see ingredients. I have seen many dogs that being fed with commercial brands have shiny coat & seems very healthy, but in long run, when the dogs get older, they might get digestive problems or turns weaker faster, since they had been feeding with low nutritious food with bad ingredients inside for so long. At that time, it is too late to change dog food anymore, then the owners will have to folk out much more extra out of a sudden to pay vet bills, which lots of owners do not, and allow the dog to die "of old age".

Same here, for the first few days i switched to Orijen, the stool seems looser, but after that, firm already, now easily picked up without staining.

Anyone tried Addiction?

Haha, becoz Orijen previously can say almost totally out of stock, she can't get it anywhere. But now new stock had arrived, thing is 2.5kg puppy still not available.

BTW, Orijen price will increase starting March, so you guys better stock up!

If we were to read those articles written by non-commercial food supporters, perhaps we will totally change our perception towards what we see @ the ingredient list. We might be told this and that from certain brand sponsored sites, but lots of stories behind that we wouldnt know.

Have a good read of this, to expand our knowledge. http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0939165465...%3D#reader-link