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 Dog Kibbles (Discussion), Which brand do you feed your furkid?

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post Nov 20 2008, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(iluv2zzz @ Nov 19 2008, 09:19 PM)
Wahahha I don't know what time they open, but Sunday definately not open.
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post Nov 20 2008, 05:44 PM

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yaya.. got ppl mention liao
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Solid Gold hund n flocken lamb & rice also good. My bearbear's stool still solid even i switched overnight bcoz ran out of food.
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post Nov 20 2008, 10:58 PM

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wads the price of hund n flocken??i saw the packing looks very decent..wanna give also
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rm45 for 1.8kg in PLC.
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post Nov 21 2008, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(nicholaskong @ Nov 20 2008, 04:09 PM)
Artemis not for my golden..he poo stink as hell n watery..i thought its good food also when i saw the ingredients.n its quite expensive.i think is 1.5kg for rm45 if not mistaken
it jus doesn't suit my golden..now im on blackwood 2000..hope can get good result..i wan her to haf firm stool n miminum smell laugh.gif
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For my dog it is way much better than EVO and Orijen after changing to Artemis Maximal. stools are harder and not so smelly, can even compare with BARF.
Dog Food Analysis
for some information, Blackwood2000 is a 2 star out of 6 star food.
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The first ingredient in the food is an unspecified meat product in meal form. We prefer not to see the use of ingredients for which source cannot be identified, and note that low cost ingredients like this are usually very low quality.


The main grains in the food are rice and corn. Corn is a grain that is difficult to digest and is commonly the cause of allergy problems. It is a concern to see chicken fat is the fourth ingredient. Research at Purdue University has identified fat in the top four ingredients of a dry food as a factor increasing the risk of bloat in large breed dogs (smaller breeds are untested).


Potato product is low quality filler. It is produced from peelings, cuttings and culls from human food production. Menhaden fish is a further meat product, but in too low quantity to add significantly to the meat content of the food. We note that the manufacturer does not claim to use Ethoxyquin-free ingredients (Ethoxyquin is a chemical preservative commonly added to fish meal ingredients, and which is believed to be carcinogenic).


Beet pulp is controversial filler which appears to be used in large quantities in this food. It is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required.


We appreciate the use of whole eggs in the food.


please read carefully about the analysis. Artemis is at least 5 star for normal range and 6 star for Maximal.

Maybe you can try out Orijen, Evo and Natural Balance Organic. smile.gif



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oh well..
i don't really depends on dogfoodanalysis.com now...
especially with the ratings and stars..
well you have to test it yourself rather than wondering around..observation is the best! biggrin.gif
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post Nov 21 2008, 09:24 AM

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Orijen is too rich for my furkid..she has runny stool n her urine so smelly can feel the heat..im trying to stay away from high protein food for now until my GR fully grown..yea i've check through dogfoodanalysis.com everytime b4 i buy kibbles..but somtimes i think cannot rely much on the analysis always..im looking for a kibble tat suits her best rather den a 6 star tat will cause her runny stool..

i've try many 5-6 stars dog food but still hard to find a 1 suits her because her stool not really nice..orijen, innova, artemis, evangers, eaglepack holistic, canidae, natural balance but still the result is not so good..so im thinking not to rely much on the star rating

mayb is her digestion problem n haf to talk to doctor..but i know doctor will always recommend science plan or eukanuba..mayb might get her probiotic supplement.
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Dont be too dependent on a review. If you read carefully, the website you refered to is quite biased against some brands.

If your dog has runny stool problem after trying so many different brands, I think its time you bring him to a vet. Science Plan? So be it, as long as it doesnt give your dog trouble.
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science plan is the food the breeder feed her last time n her poo smell is terrible
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The review thingy is just a guide. It teaches you how to read the ingredients and how to compare the quality of food. The higher meat content it is, the more stars it is given. However, not all dogs need so high protein. Choose a lower protein level food, WITHOUT those bad ingredient in it, example by products and unknown animal fats.
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yes i agree that it is just a guide. but for us without any knowledge to judge kibble, it serves a good material. another more professional one is Whole Dog Journal. It is better, but it dont rate. actually for me both are biased in some ways.

Science Plan is brought in by vet, sure they will recommend. actually it is a very bad food, as bad as Pexxxx and Alxx i can say, but selling at 5 star price which i cant accept. Eukanuba i have no comment about the food, but the cruel animal test case scare me away from it. PETA actually hold campaign to boycott IAMS, brother of Eukanuba.

Let be realistic, learn something and analyse ourself. sometime depends on some reliable sources also. For me Artemis, EVO, Orijen, Natura Balance, Addiction, Canidae, Evanger and Regal give the quality with its price. Others maybe too "marketing", actually lot of money u pay is to watch their advertisement, no point.

Lastly, u may give a try on BARF, raw food, i m sure u wont regret. stool no smell, fur shiney. let me look for more information, i will post in up when i m free. smile.gif
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Ya.. i giving my girl fully BARF.. she doing very well...
Poo no smell and hard de.!!

1 thg very trouble is the freshness only!!

1 more important thg is with feeding BARF can cure/avoid alot of long term sickness too..!

This post has been edited by Doraemon11: Nov 21 2008, 07:18 PM
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post Nov 22 2008, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(Doraemon11 @ Nov 21 2008, 07:17 PM)
Ya.. i giving my girl fully BARF.. she doing very well...
Poo no smell and hard de.!!

1 thg very trouble is the freshness only!!

1 more important thg is with feeding BARF can cure/avoid alot of long term sickness too..!
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glad to hear a lot of ppl feeding BARF now rclxms.gif

btw where do you buy from?
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fyi, no harm knowing more.

According to my boy's vet,he dont encourage raw coz only wild animals like wolf n fox eat raw to build their body mass/muscles
raw food will have some kind of parasites that can make pregnant women(human) lose their babies too
since our pets live n sleEp with us, those bacteria will harm us.


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As i know.. not even a single vet recommend on barf, if more go for barf, vet will rugi to earn side income which high commision provide by the supplier. U may do more research on barf... mr google do help ur doubt. However all the pro-groomer i met encourage on barf. Included ying @ yang... tongue.gif
I do alot alot research before i start BARF.. not a simply try! Only thing barf will harm ur dog is on the freshness. If it's not handle with a good condition way.. reli coz harmful!!!
Have a good search!

dongdong86,
I get if from epicure, tmn melawati.
Smtime i try to make it by myself.
How bout u?



This post has been edited by Doraemon11: Nov 22 2008, 01:33 AM
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post Nov 22 2008, 01:57 AM

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Pro-groomer LOL... Actually it will be more convincing if you say nutritionist. Read a lot of the popular Dr. that recommend BARF worldwide, that strongly recommend BARF, and at the same time a lot others Dr. that do not agree BARF-ing. Not to forget the Dr. that strongly suggest kibbles haha...



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this is another piece of info on BARF...not trying to create a fight here btw opponents & proponents of BARF..Just that there's more info for all of us.

This article is taken from a forumer (Clangan)

WHEN BARF GOES WRONG
BARF (Bone and Raw Food Diet) or more specifically, biologically appropriate raw food or sometimes also known as bones and raw food, has been steadily gaining in popularity in this recent years. Reason is that as more people are turning towards a more natural and organic in their own lifestyle, they felt it’s only right that the exact living should also be given to their dogs.
Undeniably, feeding a dog as how he had eaten thousands of years ago before human intervention sounds like the most correct thing to do. After all, it’s how nature intended them to be, chewing on raw meat, gnawing on bones, eating all things raw and bloody. What could go wrong, you may ask. But BARFing a dog takes more than just throwing them a few raw meaty bones as meal. Anyone who knows anything about nutrition knows never to meddle if you know nothing about it. Without balancing the correct ratio and amount of every nutrients needed by the body, deficiency or excess that leads to toxicity, can occur.
Many assume feeding a dog how their closest wild cousins are eating would be the right thing to do but unfortunately, most don’t even understand the most basic dietary habits of wolves that differ so much from the domestic dogs. For one, wolves eat raw meat but they also fast a few days after a meal, giving chance for all vital organs to rest. They also travel up till hundreds of miles a day in search of prey which uses up lots of the energy compared to domesticated dogs. Secondly, after gorging down a good meal of bloody chunky meat, wolves drinks a large amount of water to prevent uremic poisoning (that is when too high a protein intake that causes renal (kidney) failure; even some commercial dry diet today are going way beyond the normal level of protein exceeding 30%). A wolf’s stomach can hold up to 7.5 litres of water.
Bacteria in raw food should also be taken into consideration. Though it is known that dogs has a stomach acid of ph 1, which enables them to eat any sort of bacteria infested rubbish and not get sick, most bacteria like salmonella and e coli goes through the digestive system and comes out again really quickly, therefore a large amount of those bacteria turns up in the feces of dogs. This poses a huge risk to the people around as humans are not capable of defending themselves against these harmful bacteria, especially little children and also other dogs that may not have as strong immune system.
In conclusion, most people BARF their dogs without knowing the consequences of when doing it wrongly. Their decision is mostly more of an emotional one. Determining the diet of a species highly unlike with us should only be done with utmost care and consideration to ensure long term effects caused by deficiency or excesses would not occur. Nutrition is one thing no one should take lightly of because most of the effects, such as diabetes, arthritis, renal failure, liver failure, cataracts and such, diseases caused by nutritional defects, are almost irreversible.

Personally at the moment, i still cannot accept BARF but i can see the good things it does on dogs - at least one thing for sure, Ice' fur is much better now that she is on BARF. However, thorough research shud be done before we embark on something so different from kibbles.

This post has been edited by huey80: Nov 22 2008, 02:11 AM
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QUOTE(Doraemon11 @ Nov 22 2008, 01:25 AM)
As i know.. not even a single vet recommend on barf, if more go for barf, vet will rugi to earn side income which high commision provide by the supplier. U may do more research on barf... mr google do help ur doubt. However all the pro-groomer i met encourage on barf. Included ying @ yang... tongue.gif
I do alot alot research before i start BARF.. not a simply try! Only thing barf will harm ur dog is on the freshness. If it's not handle with a good condition way.. reli coz harmful!!!
Have a good search!

dongdong86,
I get if from epicure, tmn melawati.
Smtime i try to make it by myself.
How bout u?
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the vet i mentioned never sell me any kibbles. he dun recommend science plan. nv hear one single word about science plan and euka from him.


Added on November 22, 2008, 10:20 am
QUOTE(huey80 @ Nov 22 2008, 02:09 AM)
this is another piece of info on BARF...not trying to create a fight here btw opponents & proponents of BARF..Just that there's more info for all of us.

This article is taken from a forumer (Clangan)

WHEN BARF GOES WRONG
BARF (Bone and Raw Food Diet) or more specifically, biologically appropriate raw food or sometimes also known as bones and raw food, has been steadily gaining in popularity in this recent years. Reason is that as more people are turning towards a more natural and organic in their own lifestyle, they felt it’s only right that the exact living should also be given to their dogs.
Undeniably, feeding a dog as how he had eaten thousands of years ago before human intervention sounds like the most correct thing to do. After all, it’s how nature intended them to be, chewing on raw meat, gnawing on bones, eating all things raw and bloody. What could go wrong, you may ask. But BARFing a dog takes more than just throwing them a few raw meaty bones as meal. Anyone who knows anything about nutrition knows never to meddle if you know nothing about it. Without balancing the correct ratio and amount of every nutrients needed by the body, deficiency or excess that leads to toxicity, can occur.
Many assume feeding a dog how their closest wild cousins are eating would be the right thing to do but unfortunately, most don’t even understand the most basic dietary habits of wolves that differ so much from the domestic dogs. For one, wolves eat raw meat but they also fast a few days after a meal, giving chance for all vital organs to rest. They also travel up till hundreds of miles a day in search of prey which uses up lots of the energy compared to domesticated dogs. Secondly, after gorging down a good meal of bloody chunky meat, wolves drinks a large amount of water to prevent uremic poisoning (that is when too high a protein intake that causes renal (kidney) failure; even some commercial dry diet today are going way beyond the normal level of protein exceeding 30%). A wolf’s stomach can hold up to 7.5 litres of water.
Bacteria in raw food should also be taken into consideration. Though it is known that dogs has a stomach acid of ph 1, which enables them to eat any sort of bacteria infested rubbish and not get sick, most bacteria like salmonella and e coli goes through the digestive system and comes out again really quickly, therefore a large amount of those bacteria turns up in the feces of dogs. This poses a huge risk to the people around as humans are not capable of defending themselves against these harmful bacteria, especially little children and also other dogs that may not have as strong immune system.
In conclusion, most people BARF their dogs without knowing the consequences of when doing it wrongly. Their decision is mostly more of an emotional one. Determining the diet of a species highly unlike with us should only be done with utmost care and consideration to ensure long term effects caused by deficiency or excesses would not occur. Nutrition is one thing no one should take lightly of because most of the effects, such as diabetes, arthritis, renal failure, liver failure, cataracts and such, diseases caused by nutritional defects, are almost irreversible.

Personally at the moment, i still cannot accept BARF but i can see the good things it does on dogs - at least one thing for sure, Ice' fur is much better now that she is on BARF. However, thorough research shud be done before we embark on something so different from kibbles.
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good information huey80.

This post has been edited by sinv: Nov 22 2008, 10:20 AM
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I do not mean for anythg dear...
Just a share only.. i do know alot of people canot accept barf.. I'm fine/agree/respect with their point of view. I didnt mean wan to change their mind to barf.. I just want to share out wat my experience and the result after i dare to try on barf. I tot here the place. I'm oso not against on kibble which i do fully feed barf, kibble still 1 of my girl main course some time. I do like to feeding kibble and i do keep searching for a good quality kibble to feed too. As i admit, ya feeding barf reli take risk.. however not to talk much bout it anymore since just for a share, created so many unhappy sound sad.gif

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