Kelvin Yii: Health DG justifying Parliament closure with wrong science

Director-General of health Dr Noor Hisham Abdullah is using unnecessary scientific parameters to justify closing Parliament, Bandar Kuching MP Dr Kelvin Yii said.
Yii, who is a medical doctor and the chair of the parliamentary select committee on health, said the “CT level” cited by Noor Hisham to justify closing Parliament for two weeks is not a metric for public health decision-making.
“IT IS A VIROLOGY TOOL RATHER THAN A METRIC TO MAKE DECISIONS ON HOW LONG A LOCATION MUST BE CLOSED,” SAID YII IN A STATEMENT TODAY.

“As long as the patient is properly isolated, and all other SOPs are properly adhered to, the source of transmission is isolated thus mode of transmission is cut. There is no logically explanation why the Parliament cannot continue to function, especially four days after the detected cases.”

Noor Hisham in a statement last night spoke about the cycle threshold, or CT value, which is used to assess the viral load in a sample.
He said samples of several positive cases detected in Parliament last week showed a low CT value, which meant the cases had a high viral load and thus a greater risk of virus transmission.

Yii said the Health Ministry had never before been seen to make public health decisions based on the CT value.

“The D-G and MOH must answer when has MOH (started) using the CT value to make public health decisions. Please show us hard data and not just give general statements.”

Yii added that Parliament could have proceeded today with adjustments to the environmental factors that Noor Hisham said he was concerned about.

For one, ventilation in Parliament could have been improved.

“There isn’t a need to close down the whole Parliament for two weeks just to deal with 0.9% of positive cases in Parliament,” said Yii.

“The Ideal Convention Centre vaccination centre in Shah Alam closed only for a day for sanitisation after 200 plus Covid cases were detected.

“In many essential service facilities also deal with daily positive cases but yet after all necessary SOPs are adhered to, their functions are not drastically disrupted.

“Why can’t this be done in Parliament? Science and public health must be apolitical.”

Yii added the government could have taken advantage of the Parliament sitting to assure the people that its national recovery plan to reopen economic sectors and workplaces was effective.

“Instead, the shutdown of Parliament has exemplified incompetency and decision-making that is not science-based.”

The Dewan Rakyat sitting on Thursday was adjourned several times for the MPs and parliament staff to be screened out after people in the building were found to be infected following a screening that was conducted before the sitting began on July 26.

The House was finally adjourned to today for the government to explain the cancelling of emergency ordinances. But on Saturday, Prime Minister Muhyiddin Yassin announced the sitting was postponed, citing the risk of Covid-19 transmission.

https://www.themalaysianinsight.com/s/330858

thank you for support PM

Demi pencen

Messenger also can become tan sri

You think he cares ?

Haha...who is he kidding.

Factory with cases can continue run.
IDCC open after sanitising.
Schools can open.

But no. Parliment closed for 2 weeks?
So must be some super covid variant until FRU also need to protect MP from going into parliment.

Don’t blame the Nazi soldiers, they’re just following orders.

To be honest. Just open it. Im ok with a few old monkeys dead by covid.

They askin for it anyway

Messenger jer

Drag him

Work place many positive cases, lockdown few days only.

2 kali 5

He has lost all respect and support of his health frontliners too

You are missing the point. They are probably happy if some oppo kena covid. Probably cos it is not serious enough to knock out and infect oppos , that is why they close Parliament, mah

he only civil servant of course the gov is his boss la. what u expect?

Closed? Where got close, got Lapdog and Spanish Fly attend PAC meeting yesterday at Parliament

The minute he conducted the emergency parlimen testing for covid outbreak JuSt after the agong back and forth with mahiadin over the emergency proclamation ordinance cancellation came to a boiling point, you know it was obvious it was a ruse. Confirms all the conspiracy theories this 1 plus year of mco, testing, lockdowns, emergency all was been used to extend their hold on power.

I mean before this got the cirit birit incident but so far there was always a hope that the Dg was still putting health policy priorities first. The parlimen “ outbreak” just shattered that illusion once and for all.

This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Aug 3 2021, 01:20 AM

D O G

menteri every night meeting sulit boleh

parliament tak boleh pulak

1 person in parliament close 2 weeks
200+ in idcc closed how long?

All the while he's a dog. Just that so happen the pandemic was controlled that time.

He failed at Parliament.

half a day, for sanitation. also the justification that time used was, most of those infected at IDCC had high CT values.

All these DG etc appointed by minister what.

They also have to face you x suka u keluar...

Like how we follows our boss instructions. How many of us "do the right thing instead of do boss's instruction"?

This post has been edited by novblaze: Aug 3 2021, 02:08 AM

DG Hisham is just conservative public health wise.

Last year he opposed Sabah election and the lack of quarantine order
sos

last year, he said would have done 2-weeks genuine full lockdown to stop 3rd wave
sos

in recent months, he wanted lockdown, especially on businesses and factories.
sos

So advicing to postpone Parliament for 14 days after 78 people are confirmed positive is consistent with his past positions

politicians from both sides dont listen to all his advices. if situation improves, politicians will try to take credit. but if shit gets worse, they will blame DG/KKM (like Azmin's former aide)

This post has been edited by MrSyakir: Aug 3 2021, 02:19 AM

u know i know... org sendiri help sendiri

Easier to blame DG than politicians..

he said no need do mandatory quarantine after sabah election. our cases went up a lot higher when selangor did mass testing (what was kkm doing?). he is not so conservative/careful after all. only selectively

However, it is learnt that Dr Noor Hisham had opposed the holding of the elections due to the pandemic, and then the campaigning and the immediate return of politicians and their supporters to the peninsula without quarantine.
https://www.thevibes.com/articles/news/3556...still-in-charge

KKM was mulling mandatory quarantine. PH politicians said that would prevent people from voting. PN don't want to lose any votes too.. End up politicians > KKM, and no compulsory quarantine.

When cases shot up, DG is blamed.

This post has been edited by MrSyakir: Aug 3 2021, 05:11 AM

Thanks but you not dg

Tu doktor MP tau apa?

That virus is super ultra instinct killer hyper dynamic where touch all those MP will die instantly. That is how deadly..

u think he want to let go of pension and GLC board of director position just because a few internet warriors are criticizing him? lolllllllllll

Now we know him. Good job. Well done.

The MPs were vaccinated very early.

lol pls la ... last time he putar halim in press con telling ppl how gov came up with a 10 day quarantine calculation lol

why they need more time? to siphon more money to their offshore bank acc? someone need to probe all these behind the scene

His credibility koyak since sabah election last year, i just laugh when people plotek him ahahah

This post has been edited by The.Lucas.DaY: Aug 3 2021, 07:24 AM

Remember the school? student not vaccinated, closed 2 days.

Most likely DG did not even monitor his own social account, all run by "admin"

This writer makes sense. Gov say recovery recovery. Then sikit sikit case tutup parliment.

Not managing his social media is one thing but I’m sure when he goes on to have meetings with his one downs I’m sure they will advise him accordingly based on sentiment on the ground. Unless they don’t do that.

Where are those bodo /k DG lovers here? Turn into DG haters already? Toplankek

Problem is many cases are from factory but it goes unreported because boss wants the business to run instead of close for 2 week

Where is ktard that worship this useless dg?


See this from day 1 already.

Sack DG.

Might as well he applies for early retirement la to save wateva dignity he has left...

Hero bcome Zero.....kecian

if he could have done the same to ask those factory, office, construction site.. then today don't need close parliament..

d1ck he got.. dignity memang gone

Rubbish DG .

first year respek. 2nd year spectacles also dropped hard on the floor.

That's why foreigners have more freedom than locals in this mco where they can roam around the city freely like a boss, and spread virus.

last time emgek made a joke referencing to him kena bashed to hell.

Keyboard warrior kuat, if got bola, just go find the big boss terus

since day 1, he just a script reader. Dunno why everyone gave him so much credit for that.
Now its obvious that he is useless.

Kerana sesetengah geng yang giler kuasa x dengar arahan dg..ini kah geng yang akan dipilih perintah negara?renung renungkan

fall from grace dy. should've just resigned after gov dont want listen to him for sabah election and watch the world burn.

its not just useless, but indirectly kill many malaysians also.

Takkan DG act bodoh we also want to plotek?

big boss hiding in gua

too many creeps blocking the path

he should asked the menteri spanish fly to make statement if got any political impact...haiyaaaa

Politics and religion precedes everything in Malaysia, even health.

last year he talked about R-naught and infections increased so much compared to last year also never mentioned any scientific terms this year until parliament need to be closed down. only come out with scientific terms to bring rakyat pusing pusing taman dulu.

The way he talked about Delta variant and 15 seconds infection as well as airborne is very irresponsible.

Delta is no doubt more contagious compared to the earlier variants but is it really 15 seconds and he saying it airborne like the earlier variants are not airborne is also very misleading.

There is always an inconsistency in all the message he's giving out.

One day, scare people but on another day says things like 90%+ cases are category 1 and 2.

This create a confusing picture for the rakyat to follow.

What is the real situation we are facing now?

Sad to say ayam is one of them. Gave the DG the benefit of doubt, but now it's so obvious that he has gone too far. Ayam insaf now and no more belief DG

From hero to Zero... lost of trust from Rakyat...

Rakyat trust him and even praise him as saviour

like others said, i dunno why ppl hype him so much even last year, he just reading out the numbers.
also last year he already gone rogue by giving green light to sabah election, yet ppl still plotek him then by saying he no power la, forced by atas ppl la and other BS.
if really got integrity he can just tell the reporter KKM not approve sabah election but the decision getting overridden but no.
somemore he said helang back from sabah no need quarantine

he just a shit and useless DG

parliament cannot open.
but factory can open.

factory can do rtk test.
parliament cannot do rtk test.

9999% not my hero.

only pipit bodo take him as hero. definitely not me

THIS

people don't understand that it is the confusion that he is causing because of the influential position he is being put into; if he screws up, it will send wrong message to the public. he did not take his role seriously

again, if he got nothing good to say, might as well just shut up because by him giving all sorts of variable info, people starts to loose track (again, because people was respecting him thus whatever he says, the general public will follow)

people keep blaming baaabaaa and the gang, while they are at wrong, the gang never had influence to the malaysian public; so whatever the gang said, meant and impacted nothing. its just unfortunate that he didn't take his influence and use it right

so much blood on his hands. and again, i still do not understand how people keep saying he is hero to zero when he was not even a hero to start off with. he was handed on silver platter the badge to become a hero, not earned. and unfortunately he used the badge wrongly

He gain the trust of Malaysian due to the success of MCO 1.0 and become the hero in the eyes of a lot of Malaysian.

That is why his words still carry weights with a lot of Malaysian.

Lockdown is the key to flatten the curve is still in the minds of most Malaysian and it is very hard to change people's mindset.

By right, civil servant should not show allegiance to the governing party. They are neutral.

unfortunately that is all he did (lockdown - which every other country was doing it at that point) and that's is all that malaysia has seen to work, which is the biggest problem.

the little time malaysia had during success was used to flex and publish books, whereas other countries were already preparing for second wave and how to tackle them.

he could have had strategies to prevent the second wave from happening but obviously it didn't happen because was too overjoyed with success too soon. again, buttlickers may say he actually have plan b c d e f and so on to prevent anything from happening just that being silenced to execute, but the fact that we are in such dire situation right now doesn't show that anything right was being done.

and let's not forget he did in fact admitted too that he is only a messenger when things go wrong (why didn't he admitted that when he was given award). this is the leader who is being elected to represent the public and trust given to safeguard public health and this is what the public gets

rubbish DG

First person to sack if new gomen takes over.

I also don't understand why ppl still sympathize him... and said he is just the messenger only... bla bla bla. His choice, no?

I will respect him if he resign now.

Those were the days so many sucking DG's batang-ego. Herooooooo. He's a zero from the start to finish.



We should welcome those who turn to DG hater. At least not so anjjer still loving the DG for last year's effort to single digit.

Weak SOP. And enforcement.

It's one thing cases are hidden, but so many kilang cases are known but still operate.

Earlier SOP just after MCO1, was if a workplace get covid case, shutdown for sanitising and ALL staff go for Test and self quarantine 2 weeks...or at least until second test is clear.

Now kilang macam macam kena, but still open. Then these people walk around spread everywhere.

Australian health officials are warning it no longer takes up to 15 minutes to pass on the deadly virus.

It can be a "fleeting moment" of just five to 10 seconds.
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100238680?__...impression=true

At least he can always fall back on this

"Saya yang menurut Perintah"

Ppl in twitter scolding him anjing, badut.

TBH.. He is not.. More like sotong.. Because no backbone

I am not saying it is not more contagious but to say everyone will get infected within 15 seconds is scaremongering.

People read the title and become scared but they never read the rest of the article. Let me point you to another paragraph.

Griffith University virologist Lara Herrero said in the case that was captured on CCTV, the virus would have had lingered in the air long enough for the unfortunate person to take a breath in and be infected.

"You have to be so unlucky, and the poor person is exactly that, just incredibly unlucky," Dr Herrero said.

No doubt the risk is much higher now compared to the earlier variants but the transmission mode has not really changed.

Airborne is still droplets and ventilation is still the key. Mask, washing hands, etc. is still the right SOP.

I am not saying we should let our guard down but he needs to be consistent with his talk.

Like I say before, one day he scaremonger then another day, he says things like 90%+ are in category 1 and 2.

below is what he said.. I think you misunderstood if you think he said everyone will get infected within 15 seconds

"In the past, positive cases happen if someone comes in close contact with an infected person for 15 minutes or less than one-metre apart.

"Now with the Delta variant, infections can happen within 15 seconds,

Not misunderstand. When he said airborne and 15 seconds, a lot of people really panic and they take it literally.

There are people who panic until they think they should shut all windows and spend all their time indoors.

The 15 seconds infection could happen but it is not like it will happen every time you meet a person. Again I am not saying Delta variant is not dangerous.

Like I repeatedly say before, ventilation is still the main factor of transmission but our government has never said a thing about this.

That is why we keep hearing people stressed out when they see people jogging or cycling outdoor.

welcoem to the darkseid

this guy has lost respect from the day he had no say on sabah’s election liao

to be fair to him, he most likely had no say on this but the least thing he could do is tell reporter he and KKM already advised gov and MKN not to hold election at that point (if that really what happened) but their advised is not being heard, this at least show him and KKM still have integrity and backbone.

but no, he said sabah election not the cause of 2nd wave, helang back from sabah no need quarantine and don't point finger to helang, at that point u already know he just a wolf wearing sheep cloth

Funny thing is all the hype and articles points back to this Aussie source. It would be better if there was more research info or peer reviewed info as I find it strange that we know it's more transmissible, but most are still saying due to the viral load of the infected person, not just because of how many x seconds you are exposed to it. Feels a bit unscientific that's all.

Kenduri anak kahwin is ok . I posted that picture of him and family in FB, those buttlickers condemned me. Now padan mukak

The dog finally showed his true colors

Dah la if you in his shoes also your bola kecut. You want to go against your paymaster? If open Parliament and everyone got infected his head on the line..

You not in his position cakap senang. Bodo punya

This post has been edited by Oklahoma: Aug 3 2021, 12:34 PM

90% vaccinated, 1% kena cobis, tapi tutup 2 minggu. 😙

Azmin show chart say 8% ONLY, ok je.

DG why?

This post has been edited by mick84: Aug 3 2021, 12:35 PM

Sunggul jadi anjing belaan penderhaka

yup.. simple ordinary people sure bola kecut.. that why they are not DG..

Lapdog to the max

plotek jgn tak plotek.

and that showed him just no hero and another lapdog, no?

and no, when my boss ask me tell or do something which is not true or not correct, i tell him no, it just not right to do so
i don't give a shit if he want fire me, demote me or give me bad ranking, this just prove he is a bad boss and i can always resign

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Ok but not DG sorry he pandai he got house loan big car loans.. wife nagging nanti kalao kena pecat or resign...janji tan Sri title with good pencen money

What does this mean? I always see oren kito comment like this on fb. Are they practicing math or math quiz or what?