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hello all, i been driving persona baseline for 2 days now.. so far,
first 100km,
- engine hood and the side panel is damn hot after driving..too hot even for short trip. the radiator+aircond fan seems to be working too hard (always on, high speed).
- burnt smell on exhaust fumes and engine bay, like rubber and metal
- the loud aircond sound is the radiator/aircond fan sound. seems like theres only 1 fan sharing for both. normally for 1 fan type, it comes with dual speed right? but mine seems to be running high all the time. the sound is noticeable loud if hear from outside the car. the wind generated by fan is also strong as hell, so i figured engine running temp is too high? anybody can confirm this?

- took me a while to understand the aircond controls.
- the MIN and MAX - if you want cold temperature, turn to MIN. its MIN and MAX Temperature guys, not MIN and MAX COLDNESS.
- the recycle air button. when press, lights on, means AIR is recycled not the other way round.

- the FC meter is great. after pump in rm50, first it is showing 14-18km/l. drove till empty. 2nd time pump petrol, 11-14 km/l

radio
- blaupunk is better then clarion.

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Added on October 5, 2007, 4:43 pmand yeah.. whats with the braking man!
i find it have to less stopping power. could it be the long body and high rear that cause it? (remember, front absorber can help car with stopping power.)

This post has been edited by BudoKid2002: Oct 5 2007, 04:43 PM

hi all another testimony from me. just for sharing.
my wifes car is baseline auto.
just change metal rim to gen2 sport rim. i really must say theres a difference between rim besi and alloy in ride feel. i know, it could be psychological thing but fact it is lighter, softer on bumps and holes (or maybe air pressure been reduced? dunno) but overall im happy with it.
im using the gen2 bunga raya rim type. alot of people ask me why i pick this rim. answer is simple, standard, cheap, better than rim besi.
the tyres i got is goodyear nct. yes, i like it but the only drawback like somebody said is when do a slow cornering or u-turn, got sound a bit.

talk about u turn, road near my house requires me to do quiet narrow u-turn, so everyday i will take that uturn. but till today i still can get a perfect u turn without reversing). i can do it with other car, even merc can do 1 perfect turn. but merc, of course la, point is most car can do it. if they take 1 side a bit before turning.
moving on, the rear view mirrow. from reading the manual now i know that handle flip is meant for anti light glare during night. move it towards you to have anti glare, move back for normal daylight. i also notice the mirror reflection is blur intermittently due to vibration. later i found out, my radio is too loud, and the bass is causing that slight vibration. hahaha.
steering, like most people complain say its too plastic and hard. i think its decent enough by European standard for normal basic cars. my previous renault steering is also having similar material.
seats? the seats are great arent they? not too hard like waja, and not too soft as you want to use it for 10 years. baseline dont have adjustable height driver seats, and folding rear seats. but i figured, less is more. besides, its comfortable enough, ive had height adjustable seats before, and it breaks in 5-7 years.
hmm, what else, bought hp travel charger, plug it in and its working. great.
after nearly a week driving, still not used to parking especially rear. side mirror is too small, yes.
about the engine, now i know its a rev happy engine. couple with that tranny, i find it hard to keep myself from not speeding on highway. the extreme hot hood is gone, the burnt smell is gone, my aircond is set to middle, which is 25c i think, does not ON the fan and compressor quite often now. i find the temperature is cold enough for front and back passanger, with tinting of course. for fast cooling effect, during initial startup, i use recycle and top air direction.
the boot? yes the boot. it can fit four 15 inch metal rims, FLAT without stacking. marvelous.
the sound for remote locking is classy and exclusive (i hope). unlike the one in waja you have this irritating "chuut!-chuut!" sound. the alarm itself is horn based which can be pretty loud and embarrassing but isnt all alarm is?
the brakes, like i said before its a bit soft. but yesterday i had to do some emergency braking during high speed. not till stationary but i had to apply brake hard. and its comforting to know that it is good. the more importing thing is, i have good level of control on the car when braking. even though its not rear disc, abs and ebd, its still manageable. those who need abs and ebd is either a lady or Micheal Schumacher i think.
overall, general satisfaction is high for this car. its really value for money. and its simply the best car i can get with that price tag. i just want to tell everybody how great this car is. and actually, i feel kinda sorry for those who bought myvi. i just cant imagine how its like doing corners on long journey with that car. and the interior build quality is nothing to shout about. maybe the engine is good.
i also feel lucky my wife didnt buy city or vios. yes, FC is good but my goodness the body shell?? its nearly twice the price and i simply think its not worth it. those who bought city/vios must be thinking they are getting civic/altis or maybe camry. yes when comparing to persona, off course civic/altis/camry win hands down. but when compare to city/vios along with price factor, it is way sensible buy.

lastly, congratulation to everybody.

thanks guys.. i was soo happy with the car and i couldnt help myself.
i know how ridiculous it sound when telling people how great is your car and how asking other people to buy it too. but i've driven alot other car and this car is simply on par with other higher price car. i guess the best way is to keep it to ourself, and let them figure out themself what they miss out.
The interiour i great. i like the small2 extra touch they include. the ride is fabulous. still cannot beat french car in terms of ride comfort, but its a close one. independant, multi-link suspension setup. not all car have these.
handling and cornering is good. still got that lotus dna which means still bit racey type.
its a balik kampung car where you can ride safely and comfortably with passenger. and when youre driving alone, you can also have some fun racing it.
ps- cant wait to balik kampung too.. been running in like crazy this few days (always find excse to drive the car) just to prepare the car for plus highway.

Morning guys, a quick update from me..
remember the soft braking? one funny way to improve is to reduce the rear height. since yesterday i been driving with 4 metal rims inside my boot. so the rear height is lowered a bit causing the front to have higher gap. so with this 'setup', hahaha 'setup'..yes, with this setup, upon hard braking, theres enough gap infront to assist in stopping the car. how to say this.. if you try to look at car on the road when hard braking, the rear sort of 'lifting' a bit, and the front is sort of 'pressed' and leaned downwards? well, that can gives the driver final 'ummph' feeling in stopping the car.
by standard, the rear height is pretty high. this is to accommodate rear passenger weight. so it wont be too low when theres 3 people at the back as too low means bumpy.
so whats the conclusion? im not recommending everybody to put unnecessary weight inside boot. im just telling to get used to with the braking. unlike a honda, my leg dont have to increase pressure to the pedal from the moment i first apply brake, to bring car to complete stop. but with persona, or most other car for that matter, when braking, apply x amount of pressure, and then x + 'a bit more' for that 'umph' upon final stopping.
2ndly, what i did is to 'break' the pad's virginity by hard braking any chance i got when im driving alone. result is noticeable, eventough it could be effected by my weight test experiment above. so i strongly urge everybody to do it, or at least wait till 1k mileage.
another point to note is, when i remove the front rim last week, i saw quite amount of brake dust already accumulated. so i can safely say the wheel will have the same fate as gen2. easily dusted all over the rim.

hi all.. congrats on the new car..
as you all can see, my posting are getting more and more ridiculous already..
i just don't know what to else to say.. but i does feels great to share our experience with our baby together. this should be my last post for the week as i'll be heading for kampung tomorrow.

the reverse sensor, yeah i notice it too.. the reverse sensor sound is too soft that i had to mute the radio.
1 week driving, parking still i cannot get it right. im totally blind when it comes to rear viewing and totally depend on the beeping sound and act like a jedi using 'the force'.
seatbelts, did you guys notice how fast the belts go when you release them? its like going after your face or the window glass! maybe its still new?
today i started doing aggressive driving.. to really test the car on the road.
steering - steering is relatively heavier for a new car. could it be tyres still new?
when going through bumps and holes, im happy with how it dampens and wheel absorb the impact, (probably all bushes still new). but im not fully impressed with how the car bounce.(comparing to 7 year old renault and waja). i felt like the bounce is a bit hard (kinda sporty) and not being kind to your kidney. my only explanation is because the seatings are pretty low.???
again on the FC, the best i can get is also 10.5l/100km as stated in the meter. im driving auto but still i want it to be lower. maybe im expecting too much from a heavy car. its fun playing with the FC meter as i can see an increase to 14l/100km when carrying full occupants.
but my own calculation give a bit different reading from fc meter. every rm10 can only get me 40-45km. when FC meter tells me i should get around 50km. maybe a couple more round will give me more accurate reading. i also notice my campro engine when warm idling rpm is 0.9 whereas mitsu waja (manual) is only 0.65 both with or without aircond. this can translate to higher fc. mine is auto can anybody tell me whats the reading for campro manual?
on the campro performance, i'd say its great once we get used to it. proton said theyve improve the TCU but sometimes i can still feel the tork dip present especially climbing uphill. i like to think of it like a turbo lag you know, once pass it, the car will scream and fly. people who said campro is not powerful simply dont know how to drive or 'buta hati' aka blind basher driving. when climbing uphil, if you feel the lag, dont layan the lag!. step on it a bit more till change to lower gear, problem solve! and no, high revving wont hurt a high rev engine.

other than that, i cant seem to find any defect with the car for me to complain.

This post has been edited by BudoKid2002: Oct 10 2007, 10:56 AM

just come back from holiday yesterday, and sent the car for 1k service.. was charge rm100 for semi syn 15w50 and oil filter.. which is ok i guess.. but i thought campro is recommended to use only 20w50?
regretted didnt do much complain.. as i was in a hurry to drop off the car..
only mentioned about brake being less effective..
and upon picking up the car, i notice the front brake disc and calipers has been cleaned.. could be they just air gun the dust as the amount of dust it accumulate is terrible.
tested the car braking, ok lah got improvement a bit. not too great but better than before.
planning to do full complain on small things for them to rectify next 5k service
why dont we compile and share it together?

1. brake too soft/less effective
2. need to comfirm this.. at the aircond belt area, theres 1 sort of idle pulley, kinda vibrate whenever compressor is ON. is it normal?
3. radiator/aircond fan is too loud and frequently on. is it normal?
4. inside engine bay, aircond pipe berpeluh and water is dripping everywhere? is it normal? or do we need anything to wrap the pipe?
5. my BL model, the engine bay hood/bonnet dont have enough rubber on the side. when it rains heavily or when i wash the car, water can enter and seen around fuse box cover and battery.
6. on the wheel, theres a sound when do a turning or u-turn. is it normal? could it be just tyres or driveshaft?
7. windscreen wiper, when use 1st speed, theres a 'tik-tok' sound when wiper starts to move and stop. doesnt happen with 2nd or 3rd speed.

anybody care to add on the list?

This post has been edited by BudoKid2002: Oct 18 2007, 10:46 AM

even ur house aircon pipe also dripping water. toocold so it condense water.
- but im comparing with my other car, it has some sort of rubber wraped along the pipes? even house aircond pipe also wrapped by rubber and not naked. when we have this rubber, supposedly to protect from engine heat, and the water drip at 1 place not along the pipe. am i right?
anyone else can confirm no 2 please?

on seatbelt indicator, i thought somebody already mention its only for export model

This post has been edited by BudoKid2002: Oct 18 2007, 12:27 PM

i personally feel disturbed hearing these flat battery cases.. how can it happen to a brand new car? what is the cause of it? was the dimister left ON overnight? the auto off in 15 mins is not functioning? or was it the alternator faulty?

regarding engine oil, do we have a choice at the SC? i couldve sworn i read somewhere that campro only uses 20w50. better pick would be petronas mach5 due to higher API ratings compared to other minerals.
i tend to agree as i notice theres a slight exhaust smoke in the morning while warning up engine.

This post has been edited by BudoKid2002: Oct 18 2007, 01:58 PM

no its not that bad.. in a matter of fact, alot of improvement on built quality over proton past model. wira built quality is bad, yes. but thanks to high expectation customer feedback, proton cars now are getting better and sturdy.
factory defects happens even to luxury car.
and every persona has its fair share of minor tweaks..
eg like mine, i dont have any problem with central locking. we used it extensively. auto lock, unlock, open while unlock, lock and unlock back again, lock manual, you name it. i dont encounter any problem. same with signal.
and car battery, wife likes to stay in the car listen to radio while engine not running. occasionaly, i charge my hp for 1 hour without running the engine. no problem so far.
but when we join every persona fixes and compiled it together, of course it seems like alot.

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Added on October 18, 2007, 2:37 pmfor baseline rattling sound, you may want to check the spare tire. above spare tyre theres a jack secured over some kind of belt.
as for the turning sound, it is still not that noticeable. but there is a sound if i listen carefully. i will add that to my complain list.

This post has been edited by BudoKid2002: Oct 18 2007, 02:37 PM

badrul_rg, will you be wearing batman mask during the gathering? if you put it on, i will come.
no seriously, batu cave is too far for me..
subang jaya is nice, shah alam is also nice.

good luck on your new vios.
make sure keep all the issue to yourself

barrylin, if you been driving and enjoying japanese car, i personally think this car is not for you. it has more european flavour than Japanese. at least the closest european feel we can get for some people. except for the improved door trim, everything else is crappy if coming from a japanese car worshiper. to some extend, some might even move his/her head to a made in thailand SEA car.
you WILL NOT enjoy the persona mainly because
1. engine is a high rev engine. and you dont like to step on accelerator pedal too much.
2. you dont need a strong and heavy body.
3. road handling and cornering means nothing to you.
in other words, stay away from this car.

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Added on October 18, 2007, 3:51 pmanother point to share from my not soo long journey during the holidays.
like i said earlier, the persona feels kinda jumpy comparing to my renault. for one, the front seats is much lower, rear seats is really2 low.
2ndly, i checked the air pressure on all 4 tyres and its not balanced! no wonder i feel like alignment is out!
i reduced it to 130psi for all 4 and viola, ride is way better. absorbed holes better, highway driving is not that jumpy anymore


This post has been edited by BudoKid2002: Oct 18 2007, 03:51 PM

i had personal issues going on with vios as my wife been nagging that she wanted to buy vios. not until she lay eyes on persona and i manage to persuade her.

1. well to me, vios is a city car period. jalan dekat2 boleh lah. FC also very low for town driving. thanks to lightweight bodyshell. but balik kampung is no fun. have you personally driven vios high speed on highways?

2. are you sure persona body is weaker than vios? well it depends.
the front and the back is made soft to absorb impact from collision. one tiny hit, the hood will crumple. can you imagine if the front is soo strong, that on impact nothing is absorb and driver is moved forward. yes, the car has less damage but the driver's and passagers head is not. everybody know this. well on safety, every car manufacturer has its own formula.
but on chassis, come on.. you can feel how strong a car chassis is by driving it. that is what i mean by 'body is strong'. on side impact, compare how persona door weight to vios. which one is heavier and how thick the door box is.
on engine weight, campro head is aluminum. its already comparably light to earlier generation cars. but vios engine is much lighter i suppose.

3. well, persona rear suspension is a multi link. a higher gred and costlier setup for better cornering. found in cars like accord and 406. definately not old satria. and yes, upgraded setup means more things. not only absorber, even rubber bushes is more. like i said vios jalan dekat2 boleh lah.

i once own a satria too..
the multilink setup found in proton cars since waja, gen2, neo and now persona is not the same.

weh my bad.. its 30psi.. not 130. point is it was more than that at first and its not the same on all 4 tyres

the auto tranny is source from mitsu and the agreement is not like the wira where proton need to pay royalty. due to cost and economies of scale, mitsu is the supplier. it was said also that the autobox used is one of the best and most reliable from mitsu. can anybody do some research which mitsu car is using this autobox model?

why do people holding back their purchase for CPS? it only activates at >5rpm.
what should be anticipated in the campro is the VIM. the one that promise better low end torq..
btw, did anybody notice campro performs better at nightime when the air is colder?

i think its not the engine but its the fan that stays on..


This post has been edited by BudoKid2002: Oct 19 2007, 11:26 AM

most conti cars is like that.. i dont know about newer generation japanese..
fan on after shutdown is nice feature what.. like turbo hahaha