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Zot
post Jul 11 2021, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Jul 11 2021, 04:16 PM)
I tot just take out negative, take out positive, change battery, then put back positive, put back negative? This is what i did and luckily no issue.

I think danger is when u start the car and then remove the negative to check alternator. This one should be done by a voltmeter instead.
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 11 2021, 04:38 PM)
That out to be the way but there are occasions when it is not eg

1. Incorrect use of jumper cables leading to burnt ECU / TCU
2. Different car makes different procedures like in some Peugoet its remove positive first then the negative etc
3. Client interferring during installation eg a client was so eager to get back that he started the vehicle without my approval which ended up blowing a few fuses luckily.

Old cars without many electronics easier but newer cars dont play play, later cannot start. Then must call tow truck to SC etc etc.
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The reason for removing the +ve first is that the whole car body is -ve. Removing the +ve side of the battery can ensure that even if the dangling +ve wire touch any part of the car body accidentally, there is no electrical short. It is just logical step as extra precaution though not mandatory.

In olden day, there are few car model that has +ve body (+ve side of battery connected to car body). Not sure if there is still car having that configutration nowadays.

The problem with modern cars is that some setting are lost when battery is removed. When battery is weak, you may not able to start the car but there is still power left in battery to retain the setting. Therefore, mechanic will jump a cable to external battery to keep the memory setting before removing the battery. Put new battery and only then remove the temporary external battery. Some just jump start the car with external battery or with other car, By leaving the engine on, the memory setting is retained even when the old battery is removed because alternator is taking chage to power the car when engine is running.
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post Jul 13 2021, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Jul 11 2021, 11:30 PM)
I don't quite get you here. If shorting due to dangling cable touching car body is a concern, wouldn't it be the same if we remove the -ve cable first, since the -ve cable is connected to the car body and touching it won't do anything?
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The other end of +ve cable can be accidentally touch the car body and cause short. The -ve side is not a concern if it touched the car body or chassis. It is not just about the two +ve and -ve sides of cable shorted. That is a concern too but at least reduce chances. That is why the safe practice is to remove the +ve.
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post Jul 14 2021, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Jul 14 2021, 03:29 PM)
Wait...have I been learning the wrong thing all this while? Isn't it supposed to be remove -ve first and install -ve last?

The reason to remove -ve first is because that is tied to the car body. If the -ve terminal touch the car body it won't have shorts. But if you remove the +ve and the terminal touch the body, there might be residue voltage from the +ve devices touching which will transfer through the +ve terminal and create a short.

A random googling says to do -ve first and even some youtube videos also say remove -ve first. Where do you learn about the removing +ve first?



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I guess you are tight. I may have twisted my mind over time since it is not something I've done often. So, probably it is just based on my logical thinking.

Say you have both ends of cable connected to batteries on two cars. If I remove the +ve, I need to make sure the clip does not touch any part of the car and this is difficult since the +ve and -ve sides are attached to each other, splitting on very end only. So, if the cable moves a bit, the +ve side may accidentally flips and touch car body and cause short since the other end of the +ve cable is still connected to battery. However, it is two different cars. Will it cause the short? Never tried biggrin.gif

My thinking is if the -ve side is removed, then it is safer because the -ve side touches the car body it is still -ve.

So, I guess you are right and I'm using the other way around blush.gif



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