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post Jul 9 2021, 10:59 AM, updated 5y ago

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Me and my family had owned local / Japanese / Continental cars;
We had our fair experience on the reliability from each of the car maker.

The question is, are there any reliable continental car?

In search for some enlightenment, for the next fun yet reliable car (something that give pleasure yet parts won't break often)
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post Jul 9 2021, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(tipuism @ Jul 9 2021, 11:03 AM)
the Mercs used to be very reliable

can't say the same today

so, maybe none of them can be considered reliable but in my experience Alfas take the prize for being unreliable and BMWs the prize for being "delicate" in the sense, sikit sikit sakit.
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Family had Merc before, older ones
Always like to visit "doctor" during the weekend

Other than that, our experience with continentals require a lot of pampering
Loves to have new accessories everytime, new parts here and there

If there are no "reliable continentals", are there any fun, reliable and easier to own cars to recommend?
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post Jul 9 2021, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(joey2000 @ Jul 9 2021, 11:12 AM)
Conti manual car with less sensor may be less issue.
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Was initially looking at Renault Megane (earlier gen) but kinda skeptical with it's reliability.
Also looking at Peugeot 208 GTI, but it might give us more reliability worriness than fun.

Any other suggestions?
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post Jul 9 2021, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Jul 9 2021, 12:20 PM)
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Appreciate the long write.
We do agree the reliability vs quality are interlink and related.

Speaking of the other black horse (Porsche), does the sister/brother car eg: Cayenne has the same reliability?
This would revolve on another aspect, which is practicality.
However, it would pretty much unfair to compare a same car but different region.
Eg: Owning Porsche in Malaysia vs Germany

End of the day, the question is still on $$$ which is hard to avoid
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post Jul 9 2021, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Jul 9 2021, 01:14 PM)
Buy a lexus la
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For Lexus, I'm working my way to it
Right now looking for sub 100k fun and reliable car
The continentals are really interesting but reliability put them off
QUOTE(digilife @ Jul 9 2021, 01:25 PM)
BMW F30 not so much problem , its cheap now for a 6 year old used F30
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F30 sedan is quite small for a sedan
Previously looking at the GT version, anyhow we still have large concern on the reliability
Later BMW jadi Bengkel Makan Wang laugh.gif

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post Jul 9 2021, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Jul 9 2021, 04:13 PM)
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The renaut megane is really attractive.
However currently I still have the phobia as I seen my family bringing "continentals" to workshop on almost every weekend.

We can change all the parts, but majarity of it won't last more than a year or two.
Will study more on the GT86 and MX5.
QUOTE(rcracer @ Jul 9 2021, 08:02 PM)
Volvo 940, 240, 244

these cars were built very rudimentary , not much to go wrong
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The cars listed above could be good, however when it comes to spare part, it will take a lot of effort to source.
Hence it is not that "reliable" when comes to fixing.

I am now thinking maybe just get a Jap and mod it hmm.gif
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post Jul 9 2021, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jul 9 2021, 08:05 PM)
Popp b40. Drive proton only ;(
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That's why this thread is here to bounce some ideas.

If there are reliable secondhand continental, this would meant a lot to us.
Moreover, used continental are more affordable and more fun than used japanese cars.

Sub 70K shouldn't be an issue, as long it is reliable laugh.gif
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post Jul 9 2021, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(DS51 @ Jul 9 2021, 11:31 PM)
any lower model is reliable as mostly kosong spec.

can get 320i, 520i..but most fun is 320d, 520d

e90 320d still nice..not aging much. and now is cheap too.
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Correct me if I am wrong on the below:
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Diesel are certainly fun with torque, but the after sales cost is higher, might need to rethink on it

Btw, what's with the username DS51?
In car community we are very aware of DSS ehem
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post Jul 10 2021, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 10 2021, 12:14 AM)
Porsche. Because they copied Toyota Production System. But sadly at the same time it is plagued by Audi/VW's crap German quality after their merger.

Porsche with a stick if you can find it, post 2000s. They copied Toyota in the 1990s.
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Out of my league, at least for now

QUOTE(Mr Mercedes @ Jul 10 2021, 12:17 AM)
Old mercs have a reputation of being reliable.

E39 is quite ok. Hasn't been giving me any issues over the past 2 years, my VW so far has been okay. Warranty just expired tho.

Mechanical problems can generally be fixed fairly easily. The real headache on these contis are electronics.
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QUOTE(focusrite @ Jul 10 2021, 01:27 AM)
E46 is something to consider. Heard only water pump problem
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Wouldn't want to risk purchasing car which is more than 7 year old
althought the proposed car can be reliable, but if something breaks, then sourcing for spare part will be pain in the arse, hence unreliable and unfeasible to fix laugh.gif
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post Jul 10 2021, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Jul 10 2021, 02:11 AM)
Based on your replies so far, honestly I think you should just stick with Japanese for a fun car. There's quite a lot of options to pick from too.
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Aside looking at the continental side, I did look at Japanese cars too.

But Japanese fun+reliable are usually priced alot more higher than the continental.

Any good japs to recommend sub 90k?
Else we would have to modify, which would break the warranty and cost more on effort and time.
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post Jul 10 2021, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(HalseyFrangipane @ Jul 10 2021, 12:19 PM)
Can you list down all your requirements and preferences? Every little detail will help haha.

Reckon it would be easier for everyone to suggest or chip some ideas with an easy list for reference.
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QUOTE(fastreader @ Jul 10 2021, 12:32 PM)
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Thank you for chipping in ideas.

Requirement as below:
Car price 80k
Standby 10k for furnish/change part (if used unit)
For daily use and weekend use
Practical, reliable, fun, all in one
Easy to own and maintain
Should there be any breakdown, spare part should be easy to source and affordable
High availability
No headache
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post Jul 10 2021, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jul 10 2021, 01:10 PM)
take Japanese model. then start from there. own a Accord 2.4 2015, until now no issues, just regular oil change which I did outside after warranty ended. Cost me around rm160 (0w20 4L + 1L at Hingan Auto Parts), RM25 for Oil Filter. The Air filter, Aircond Cabin filter do on my own, and bought them from Shopee. Brake pad RM190 per pair front tyre, RM170 rear pair.

PS4 235/45/18 cost me rm580/pcs at Oscar Tyres Bukit Kemuning.
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Accord worth considering, I was looking at Camry before this.
QUOTE(maprocks @ Jul 10 2021, 01:18 PM)
> fun, practical, reliable in a conti?
> not more than 7 years old?
> price 80k?
> no headache?
> easy to own and maintain?
> easy to source spart part and affordable?

all these doesn't fit in a conti.
GT86/BRZ probably does the job if practical isn't the thing you are looking for.
Subaru WRX should work fine, if you could spend a little bit more. Do ask the owners of these cars, they are able to give more insight on spare parts and maintenance.

just get a used ketam turbo, fits almost or every requirement.
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Mustn't be a Conti, it's just that in the Malaysia market, secondhand fun to drive Conti are more accessible (lower price).
Eg: 80k Jap vs 80k Conti, the Conti is more pleasurable to drive, but biggest headache is the maintenance.

The GT86/BRZ won't be in my list for now. Practicality is still having the higher priority.
I was looking at the subbies for a while and the fan base is huge. There is a specialist in Klang Valley. The engine is pretty much okay, but other components are the cause for concern.
For ketam turbo, biggest put off is the CVT sad.gif

Perhaps my expectation is too high laugh.gif
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post Jul 14 2021, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jul 13 2021, 03:34 PM)
Older Camry has no relationship with "fun to drive"
New Camry with TNGA yes but you need to pay more
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jul 13 2021, 03:41 PM)
The only reliable conti is Porsche.. but out of your budget.

Japanese brand that is close to conti feel is Mazda.

If you want to take a bit of risk, then older IS250.. be prepared that prices of old Lexus are high.. a used BMW plus maintenance cost also less than a used Lexus.
However, Lexus driving dynamic is still no where close to BMW.. Lexus is mainly aiming for luxury
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Thank you for the constructive comment, it is really helpful.
Is the older accord fun to drive may I ask?

Actually I don't mind too much on the brand or make.
The main purpose I would prefer a continental is that the technology much more advance and the resale value is much lower.
That means with a lower budget, for example RM80K, we are able to obtain a more "luxurious and faster" conti than japanese.
With that being said, the main concern for conti is still the reliability, which puts me off everytime I looked into one.

The older IS250 price really does have an awesome resale value, which means we have to fork out more.
Any comment on IS250 vs 218i Active Tourer vs B200?
Not exactly a really fair comparison but at least it (almost) matches my requirement;
Certainly, main concern is still the reliability laugh.gif
QUOTE(chuakz @ Jul 13 2021, 10:03 PM)
I drive a Clio RS and from what I know Megane is quite reliable as long as you know the history of the car. My advice when you purchase such a car is to join a club because I've found out that it can help a lot especially when you're faced with problems. Buying a car with a recorded history will help a lot in terms of reliability.
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Great idea, will try to scout around for some megane/renault related club.
Thus far, it is really limited, will do more survey on this.
As far as I can comment, I am aware that Renault is related with Nissan, but not sure the same can be said for it's reliabililty. unsure.gif
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post Jul 16 2021, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(chuakz @ Jul 14 2021, 01:51 AM)
you are aware megane is manual only? And if you're looking at Renault Club then I'm in the Renaultsport Club, only for Renaultsport models. Most of the members own Megane RS.
Clio RS shares same engine with Nissan Juke Nismo (not officially sold in Malaysia) but Megane RS doesn't share engines with Nissan.
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manual not an issue, it's better than DSG (reliability) and better than CVT (performance)

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post Jul 16 2021, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jul 16 2021, 11:26 AM)
how was the Megane maintenance cost and mechanic? easy to find here or u went to certain mechanic?
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Paging Renault owner BillCollector chuakz
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post Jul 21 2021, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jul 21 2021, 03:24 PM)
218i AT and B200 has nothing to do with fun and luxury... they are just a product for those who wants a badge.
They are not RWD. Its just a mini MPV with premium badge.

If you can stretch your budget to 80K, you can checkout Mercedes W204 C-class with 1.8 CGI, either C200 or C250.
The W204 is the next best thing if you want slightly more reliable compare to BMW, Audi, VW or the French.
Moreover, W204 is CKD, there are a lot on the road thus parts and maintenance shouldn't be a problem if you willing to spend a bit more.
But still dont expect Toyota/Lexus kind of reliability.

Nissan used to be reliable cars, but once it form alliance with Renault under Carlos Ghosn, all they focus is cut cost and profit.
Renault didnt learn anything about reliability from Nissan, but Nissan reliability got plague from this alliance.
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Thank you very much for the suggestions.

W204 is not bad, my family member used to own the older gen, but the older one gives much more headache.

Since conti is not that reliable as expected, any recommendations for fun and reliable japanese car besides Lexus?
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post Jul 22 2021, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(area61 @ Jul 22 2021, 05:20 AM)
if you have any mechanical inclination, by all means go for conti

if not, you are going to be driving moneypits.

not to discourage you, conti needs alot of t&c
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Mechanical inclination is one story, affordability is another story.

Owned conti before this, it is truly a different experience, require lot's of TLC.

So far, still not able to solve the reliability issue.
I will put this case to rest, in search of Japanese car now, in the midst of researching more details. notworthy.gif


 

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