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TS@Adele
post Jun 25 2021, 05:46 PM, updated 5y ago

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Hi, moving into an old basic house. Thinking of installing alarm, but not doing any renovation. Spoke to 2 contractors,

1 say dao so scary, he say 80% of the time he hack in old house he hit pipe and the electricity and then bocor water this and that.

1 say, should be no problem his worker is experienced


I would like to ask, anyone done before in old house, not concealed wiring, how bad is the pvc thing? and any issues if die die I want to hack to conceal the wires

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post Jun 25 2021, 05:48 PM

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No need alarm la.

Just install a few IP cameras. For a terrace house, I used 6 units of TP-Link Tapo. Cheap and good. As for wiring, I used PVC casing with strong double sided tape.
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post Jun 25 2021, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(@Adele @ Jun 25 2021, 05:46 PM)
Hi, moving into an old basic house. Thinking of installing alarm, but not doing any renovation. Spoke to 2 contractors,

1 say dao so scary, he say 80% of the time he hack in old house he hit pipe and the electricity and then bocor water this and that.

1 say, should be no problem his worker is experienced
I would like to ask, anyone done before in old house, not concealed wiring, how bad is the pvc thing? and any issues if die die I want to hack to conceal the wires
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Quoted how much? If got budget can consider Ajax wireless. And if considering CCTV never go for TPlink, it sucks. Better stick with big brand like Dahu/HIK/UNV

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TS@Adele
post Jun 25 2021, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jun 25 2021, 05:48 PM)
No need alarm la.

Just install a few IP cameras. For a terrace house, I used 6 units of TP-Link Tapo. Cheap and good. As for wiring, I used PVC casing with strong double sided tape.
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Hi any recommendations
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post Jun 25 2021, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(adamw @ Jun 25 2021, 05:53 PM)
Quoted how much? If got budget can consider Ajax wireless. And if considering CCTV never go for TPlink, it sucks. Better stick with big brand like Dahu/HIK/UNV
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2.6k with outward casing
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post Jun 25 2021, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(@Adele @ Jun 25 2021, 08:10 PM)
2.6k with outward casing
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Double storey? Built-up area?
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post Jun 25 2021, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(@Adele @ Jun 25 2021, 05:46 PM)
Hi, moving into an old basic house. Thinking of installing alarm, but not doing any renovation. Spoke to 2 contractors,

1 say dao so scary, he say 80% of the time he hack in old house he hit pipe and the electricity and then bocor water this and that.

1 say, should be no problem his worker is experienced
I would like to ask, anyone done before in old house, not concealed wiring, how bad is the pvc thing? and any issues if die die I want to hack to conceal the wires
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Nowadays got machine can scan wall to cool temp to find the pipe la
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post Jun 25 2021, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(acbc @ Jun 25 2021, 05:48 PM)
No need alarm la.

Just install a few IP cameras. For a terrace house, I used 6 units of TP-Link Tapo. Cheap and good. As for wiring, I used PVC casing with strong double sided tape.
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I agree with this.

For alarm, just install a magnetic triggered siren for every door/window which intruder deemed able to access.

The rest is just IP cameras. TP-Link or Xiaomi ones are good. But make sure your router has ample processing power.

Don't bother with HDD recorder type CCTV. Every burglar already knew to disconnect & take it away.
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post Jun 25 2021, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Jun 25 2021, 09:14 PM)
I agree with this.

For alarm, just install a magnetic triggered siren for every door/window which intruder deemed able to access.

The rest is just IP cameras. TP-Link or Xiaomi ones are good. But make sure your router has ample processing power.

Don't bother with HDD recorder type CCTV. Every burglar already knew to disconnect & take it away.
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Hi where can i get those magnetic triggered siren


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post Jun 25 2021, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(@Adele @ Jun 25 2021, 05:46 PM)
Hi, moving into an old basic house. Thinking of installing alarm, but not doing any renovation. Spoke to 2 contractors,

1 say dao so scary, he say 80% of the time he hack in old house he hit pipe and the electricity and then bocor water this and that.

1 say, should be no problem his worker is experienced
I would like to ask, anyone done before in old house, not concealed wiring, how bad is the pvc thing? and any issues if die die I want to hack to conceal the wires
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Hacking in old house without knowing the history and layout of piping.. well there are cases where the pipe run in odd places so you will run that risk of hitting something. Due to the nature of brickwall and concrete it is not so straightforward to detect using stud finder unlike all the youtube video made by angmoh as their house made of wood frame/drywall.

That is the risk you have to take if die die want to hack everywhere. There could be better idea like running it behind the floor skirting or;

for horizontal runs use colour-matching wires vs wall colour (since alarm/POE cables are usually thin) and glue it to the corner between ceiling and wall.. if done correctly you also won't really notice it.
for vertical runs from ceiling downwards (limited hacking) just do it as its lower risk.

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post Jun 25 2021, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(@Adele @ Jun 25 2021, 09:35 PM)
Hi where can i get those magnetic triggered siren
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Your friendly online shopping platform - Lazada or Shopee.

Just search "magnetic alarm".
TS@Adele
post Jun 25 2021, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Jun 25 2021, 09:37 PM)
Hacking in old house without knowing the history and layout of piping.. well there are cases where the pipe run in odd places so you will run that risk of hitting something. Due to the nature of brickwall and concrete it is not so straightforward to detect using stud finder unlike all the youtube video made by angmoh as their house made of wood frame/drywall.

That is the risk you have to take if die die want to hack everywhere. There could be better idea like running it behind the floor skirting or;

for horizontal runs use colour-matching wires vs wall colour (since alarm/POE cables are usually thin) and glue it to the corner between ceiling and wall.. if done correctly you also won't really notice it.
for vertical runs from ceiling downwards (limited hacking) just do it as its lower risk.
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hi, I asked both contractors.. whether they can use like a smaller and more aesthetic pvc casing. they said they use the normal ugly big one

lol

in my mind, bye vendors!
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post Jun 25 2021, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(@Adele @ Jun 25 2021, 10:18 PM)
hi, I asked both contractors.. whether they can use like a smaller and more aesthetic pvc casing. they said they use the normal ugly big one

lol

in my mind, bye vendors!
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Actually the whole problem is not whether "got such thing as mini trunking?".
In Bolehland.. apa pun tak ada one.. not the first time.. my dad has been complaining about this "got money want to buy also cannot find" problem.
There are very few sellers carrying mini trunking commonly (meaning cheap like 2-3 bucks a meter, not RS component/element14 specialty store pricing) because conduit used for 230V cables the smallest common size is that 3/4in (20mm wide) one. Can fit in 6 power cables only.

If the alarm is only using the small DC low voltage wires (like telekom copper landline) then it should be very easy to somewhat camouflage-install on the surface without bothering with conduit hacking.

Can you spot my fiber cable? No PVC casing. thumbup.gif
Yeah all the wifi equipment and house phone are on top of bookshelf for better coverage; and also hardly use the landline so accessibility doesn't matter laugh.gif

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TS@Adele
post Jun 25 2021, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Jun 25 2021, 10:53 PM)
Actually the whole problem is not whether "got such thing as mini trunking?".
In Bolehland.. apa pun tak ada one.. not the first time.. my dad has been complaining about this "got money want to buy also cannot find" problem.
There are very few sellers carrying mini trunking commonly (meaning cheap like 2-3 bucks a meter, not RS component/element14 specialty store pricing) because conduit used for 230V cables the smallest common size is that 3/4in (20mm wide) one. Can fit in 6 power cables only.

If the alarm is only using the small DC low voltage wires (like telekom copper landline) then it should be very easy to somewhat camouflage-install on the surface without bothering with conduit hacking.

Can you spot my fiber cable? No PVC casing. thumbup.gif
Yeah all the wifi equipment and house phone are on top of bookshelf for better coverage; and also hardly use the landline so accessibility doesn't matterĀ  laugh.gif
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Wasei apa pun tak nampak

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post Jul 5 2021, 05:07 PM

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maybe you can google wireless alarm system?

 

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